Backstab issues

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

Level 50 rogue - 148 STR - max skill - 10 damage MH

177
54
56
101
75
65
48
58
54
120
112
98
53
54
82
77
112
77
89
92

Total backstabs : 20
Total damage done: 1654

AVERAGE: 82.7 Damage

Compared to Jan. 2010 on P99

50 rogue - max skill - 201 STR - 10 damage MH

301
301
301
301
301
301
277
301
301
291
301
301
301
301
301
301
258
301
301
278

Total backstabs: 20
Total damage done: 5920

AVERAGE: 296

That is almost a 4x difference in backstab damage alone compared to both servers, 4x the difference in no less than a year.... Even the added +53 strength difference the numbers wouldn't add up because there is something drastically changed in the special skills damage table

[gloinz]

i think str makes a huge difference in damage tbo, that + the new ac code = sadface for us dwarf melees pal

[picodefaggo]

Level 50 rogue - 148 STR - max skill - 10 damage MH

177
54
56
101
75
65
48
58
54
120
112
98
53
54
82
77
112
77
89
92

Total backstabs : 20
Total damage done: 654

AVERAGE: 32.7 Damage


hmm umm yea thats great but those numbers dont add to 654 more like 1654

i do think rogue backstab should be very high tho ;)

[Cymbal]

what are you hitting? need more info

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

hmm umm yea thats great but those numbers dont add to 654 more like 1654

i do think rogue backstab should be very high tho ;)

Oh man forgot the "1"

Gonna edit!

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

what are you hitting? need more info

I hit a player and got the same number schema, and I hit green con mobs and still had the same number schema... Basically I'm hitting around 90 average on PvE and PvP when it comes to backstab. Give or take RNG fluctuations you're still going to be around the 90 average.

[Truth]

My necro was getting backstabbed for ~96 pretty consistently. Seemed a little low.

On a related note, when I tried straight tap tanking the rogue my 6.1s lifetaps were partials for basically the same amount.

[Lasher]

The p99 numbers from jan from hitting a mob or pc?

[Bkab]

i noticed while testing melee dmg/ac with null on my rogue that backstab was incredibly weak. i think my max hit was 96 with 140 str and an sbd and more often than not it was 60-70 or less.

[DarthPeon]

Your second set of numbers are in line with the back stab equations for theoretical raw damage prior to AC being taken into account.

((Offense + (Str up to 200) + (str over 200 / 5)) * WepDmg * Mult) / 100

If you had, for example, 200 strength, and a 13 dmg weapon:

((215 + 200) * 13 * (2 + (203 * 0.02))) / 100 = 326.93700


AC calculations were broken in the past and now it is applying the correct damage reduction. The con of the mob does not negate the fact that it still has a set AC.

[Dojii]

wb to the fold.

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

Your second set of numbers are in line with the back stab equations for theoretical raw damage prior to AC being taken into account.

((Offense + (Str up to 200) + (str over 200 / 5)) * WepDmg * Mult) / 100

If you had, for example, 200 strength, and a 13 dmg weapon:

((215 + 200) * 13 * (2 + (203 * 0.02))) / 100 = 326.93700


AC calculations were broken in the past and now it is applying the correct damage reduction. The con of the mob does not negate the fact that it still has a set AC.

Understandable.

However, I don't think a 60% reduction in melee damage is necessary, when the max classic backstab is 301 and you're only nailing a maximum of 96 when the target is standing that is a major damage inhibited to dual-wield classes that rely on special skills.

[Vile]

Yea I was landing some shitty backstabs in PvP today.. rogue seemed like p00p.

[Cymbal]

prolly get flamed but backstab should ignore AC

or part of it

[Tamiah2011]

prolly get flamed but backstab should ignore AC

or part of it

not...lol

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

prolly get flamed but backstab should ignore AC

or part of it

Backstab really shouldn't have a large penalty given that you have to be behind your opponent to actually land the hit. AC reductions should be cut down by 3/4's when attacking a target from behind because that would be the the greatest point of contact.

[Maelzai]

Backstab really shouldn't have a large penalty given that you have to be behind your opponent to actually land the hit. AC reductions should be cut down by 3/4's when attacking a target from behind because that would be the the greatest point of contact.

"behind".. although this maybe be low for backstabs you dont want decent rogues out jousting the best warriors on server.

[Kelsar]

retest with 250 STR.

[Silikten]

"behind".. although this maybe be low for backstabs you dont want decent rogues out jousting the best warriors on server.

Why not? Jousting just isn't swing hit swing hit. Plus, "best" is a relative word. Also, a proper played rogue can beat most warriors due to the quad + backstab doing more damage then a double hit 2hander.

The difference between the two are HP/AC. That is what should make or break the right. Rogue's dps equates them to a warriors HP.

[Amuk]

I was a dwarf rogue, with a 9 dmg MH - with str buff I was doing 190 dmg backstabs, really shouldn't be any higher imo.

[Amuk]

With 13 dmg MH you'll be doing 260 dmg backstabs etc. I know it's top end but the round dmg isn't that low either, and dmg shields arn't really OP on this server.

[XiakenjaTZ]

Pretty sure with the new PvP hit boxes you can backstab from the front now.

[Awwalike]

backstabbing greenies for the peenie.

[Nune]

backstabbing greenies for the peenie.

White people are all about Drake

[Nirgon]

I think 260 is about right for a vox spear on a clothie.

[tsaC]

wasn't abacab banned?

yeah lets figure that one out. dont need a nut rider sending me tells in game asking for halp

[Abacab PvP Prophet]

wasn't abacab banned?

yeah lets figure that one out. dont need a nut rider sending me tells in game asking for halp

I'm out on parole cause no one can keep a G like me under lock and key