nuke resists are just right with the last patch

[Darwoth2]

casting starfire on a fellow level 50 with 124 fr:

399, 268, 288, 336, 248, 331, 345, 380, 350, 365, 448, 278, 302, 292, 489, 283, 301, 433, 306, 244, 350, 292, 489, 458, 326, 414, 301, 448, 263, 292, 258, 331, 320, 258, 263, 394, 424, 340, 253, 244

40 casts, average damage = 335

this is basically exactly what you had in classic with 120ish resistance, the resistance allowed you to take a lot less damage about half the time but still have a high chance for a stout damage spike.

people are inevitably going to bitch now about ice comet, but that is exactly how it was back in the day also and you cant gimp that without gimping everything, hope it gets left how it is.

in any case good job.


did some limited MR testing as well, and that seems to be much improved also. at 160 mr 37 out of 40 casts resisted but the 3 that landed lasted the full duration (well the full 6 tick duration anyway), this coupled with damage having a chance to break root should make both sides of the coin happy.

[Naez 4.20]

124fr, 40 casts, 0 full resists

yep, Working As Intended™


rollout ye mages

[Crenshinabon]

I am surprised at the fact that none of your cast did under 250 damage with a decent amount of FR..... you should at least have some unlucky cast every now and then and do like 100 or 150 damage.

Buuuut I do agree that the "partials" are just right and this is a huge step in the right direction for casters.

Null add in a slightly higher chance for a bigger resist like once in 9-10 cast and you are on the fuckin ballgame bro.

[Cymbal]

horrible job, dmg is way too high

[Krypt]

I'll just make a post here so theres one more person seeing a flaw in the data.

[Bazia]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtY0-V8P9thG7wqMjAnWTEqxyFnG7H5o1r2SwmqGg1-eFowWTCNg

[Smedy]

I like the new resists, way better then before.

Praise null jesus for his amazing talents and 101001 skills

[Naez 4.20]

hallowed by Her name Lady Null Jesus

[Darwoth2]

anyone who sees a problem with those resists fits into the category of dumbass that did not play classic or dumbass that wants to run around in a group of bard supported shadowknights and be immune to any small group resistance.

this system is correct.

40 casts is not a large enough sample to tell if full resists are in, in classic single effect elemental nukes only had a 5% chance to red text resist regardless of what your resistance was.

335 average damage means at 124 fr you are on average shaving about 25% of the damage off, right in line with how it was and is supposed to be, will test more later at 150 and 200 to see if those scale properly but at 124 this is dead on.

[Cymbal]

u are out of ur mind, 124 is excellent for classic if u can get it that high , it should do something

[Lazortag]

Damage seems a little high but I don't know how it was in classic. With a sample size of 40 you should almost certainly see at least one full resist.

[Darwoth2]

it does do something, frequently it reduces damage by half, and on average by 25% which is exactly how it was. 150 will probably reduce by an average of 35% - 40% with frequent 60% if that is in line with classic as well.

[Booglie]

seems high from what i remember, but that doesnt mean its a bad thing.
early kunark when bd gear became popular, it was easy to get enough resists that wizards wouldnt use anything but lures and druids had trouble getting a decent shot in. it sucked for those classes given how easy that gear was to get.

[Cymbal]

kinda shocked the devs listened to 1-2 cry babies on here instead of doing what was right

[Smedy]

Well, did anyone seriously enjoy partial resist on root and snare? I rather see snare landing rarely but actually matter when it lands, then to see it land 1/2 but break after 1 second.

Just my opinion.

[Darwoth2]

kinda shocked the devs listened to 1-2 cry babies on here instead of doing what was right

just realized your the guy that thought people hitting for 32 damage 50% of their casts was correct, i shall pay no heed to any further pissing and moaning from your corner of the peanut gallery.

[Silikten]

u are out of ur mind, 124 is excellent for classic if u can get it that high , it should do something

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c374/00b3r/EQ000115.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c374/00b3r/EQ000111.jpg

[Silikten]

Well, did anyone seriously enjoy partial resist on root and snare? I rather see snare landing rarely but actually matter when it lands, then to see it land 1/2 but break after 1 second.

Just my opinion.

Agreed. Snare is so crippling in classic by removing the runspeed buff, it needs more full resists.

[Bazia]

Yeah DRU needed a power boost it was too gimped lmao

[Darwoth2]

Yeah DRU needed a power boost it was too gimped lmao

since your time in the beta has consisted of getting shit on by my alt while waiting for your monk to be auto levelled the weight of any contribution to the discussion you have to offer is less than that of a fart coming out of my asshole.

[Tombom]

Been spendin all our lives living in a mage's paradise.

http://i42.tinypic.com/w17ewy.jpg

[Smedy]

Ya'll gotta see the big picture here, sure casters will rape ass in the beginning, they will however balance and event out in the late game. Eventually with kunark + velious melees will be stronger, yet casters will be useful with this system.

Better then before, cause it was looking like casters sucked at 50 with semi-geared melees..

[Bazia]

since your time in the beta has consisted of getting shit on by my alt while waiting for your monk to be auto levelled the weight of any contribution to the discussion you have to offer is less than that of a fart coming out of my asshole.

Actually I have played alot, never played a monk and have no idea wtf you are talking about.

Good job trolling your class to power though, DRU was way too weak you're right.

[Darwoth2]

Actually I have played alot, never played a monk and have no idea wtf you are talking about.

Good job trolling your class to power though, DRU was way too weak you're right.

pretty sure it was a monk, either way the name bazia and the bitching at amelinda to cease the pvp for you was unmistakeable.

as an aside whether or not you think druids are overpowered is completely irrelevant, what is relevant is the resistance rate on nukes and how this system is on the money. whining about druids/necros/wizards/mages is pretty 1999, are you trying to keep it classic or are you just a retard that didn't play the game during said timeframe?

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

This current system sounds good if magic resist actually functions more similar to EQ live as indicated. Having 0 full resists and a mitigation based resist system sounds good too. It removes all the bullshit luck from the game and focuses more on reaction time/skill based play. The only question is, how much mitigation is too much or too little.

Personally, I could care less if casters nuke for 5 billion as long as magic resist functions closer to EQ live. Every fight on VZTZ revolved around some idiot spamming root at you 40 times then having to cast pumice on yourself 40 times afterward. It felt more like work than fun.

[Buhbuh]

If those partials are accurate, that looks pretty cool. Surprised at the no resists though. There should be a threshold, I'd think.

[Bazia]

Never used Bazia on red99 only p99.

You just a retard

But seriously you're right, let's just make DRU OP as possible so it can make up 50% of the sever.

Also thank god for root/snare nerfs. Any word on blind?

[Nuk3Afr1ca]

If those partials are accurate, that looks pretty cool. Surprised at the no resists though. There should be a threshold, I'd think.

Full resists don't really matter if you tune the entire balance around only mitigation, different means to an end. Hopefully it isn't tuned so wizards kill every non-ogre melee on the server with two 950 damage ice comets the majority of the time.

[Lovely]

I didn't try it out much yet but how can people say that a Druid is OP or Wizard for that matter. Try playing a Necro/Shaman or ShadowKnight then you'll see OP..

[Aesop]

I guess I'll wait and see before I pass judgement but what is resists and root snare going to look like before I reach godly levels of those resists?

[Bazia]

Darwoth is angry, and I don't own bazia on red99.

Pretty gay if someone has my name, it's not very good lol

[Darwoth2]

i might test later at lower levels, been focusing on the higher levels of resistances as that is where the problems arise, lower levels of resistance shit would usually land, as it should.

[Darwoth2]

Darwoth is angry, and I don't own bazia on red99.

Pretty gay someone has my name, it's not very good lol

how does someone have your name when having the name on the blue server locks it in on the red server for the same account?

my what tangled webs we weave eh?

[Bazia]

simply go and fuck yourself.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRE5a3X86yOPLPkh_J_xTWpGJTApHQ3D KMlQ-sKJHbmWVXYAtes

[Darwoth2]

Also who the fuck took my name on red99, it's not even any good.

yawn

[Mardur]

Darwoth you retard you can /friend anyone regardless if they're an actual character or not.

[Darwoth2]

well thanks for ruining my otherwise good subtopic, doesnt change the fact bazia is full of shit however. meanwhile back to resistances and not some random retard from the blue server.

[Bazia]

All trolling aside is this more of a future driven resist system since the resistances get very high in kunark/velious?

Would make sense.

[jrwriter]

I think I may make a Druid if they that op

[Greenkrak]

track is the most OP thing in the game imo

without it motherfuckers wuld never find me hiding spots XD

[Humerox]

I think I may make a Druid if they that op

A skilled druid was always tough on live. EZ-mode druids usually started to fall apart in the 40's.

Druids have an awesome bag of tricks.

[Lulz Sect]

I rather see snare landing rarely but actually matter when it lands, then to see it land 1/2 but break after 1 second.


http://i.imgur.com/Hhd17.jpg

[Amuk]

Looks good Null, I skipped all the whining - let casters do dmg, but don't let melees get snared/root spammed, seems adressed and two biggest issues in pvp.

[Amuk]

Yeah druids were always tough, that Darkoan guy comes to mind.

[Rust1d?]

Druids get crazy good if they have a mistwalker...

[Cymbal]

A) how are those screen shots relevant? ur probably best in slot (pre-raid) and buffed by like 6 other classes. That would make ur resists "maxed" for normal people

b) nukes did 66% damage on live and it was unfair. why in gods name are they bumped up to 80% damage

server gonna be stupid but w/e

[AffEcT]

Druids get crazy good if they have a mistwalker...

This is not vztz. The pet poofs after 1 combat round just like live.
So i don't rly see a druid using that. Gay ranger weapon.

[AffEcT]

b) nukes did 66% damage on live and it was unfair. why in gods name are they bumped up to 80% damage

Because its classic. They nerf spell dmg later on. Unsure when but in classic and Kunark it was 80% spell dmg in pvp.

I would also like to add that all caster dps is mana based.
You can not spam cast ice comet, its like 4 casts if you have solid gear and don't waste mana on cc spells.

[Lovely]

If you cry about the current nuke system then you can't have PVP'd in EQ before or been a complete noob stuck at level 1-49.

[Rust1d?]

This is not vztz. The pet poofs after 1 combat round just like live.
So i don't rly see a druid using that. Gay ranger weapon.

That sucks. I will still probably roll a druid anyway though.

[Rallyd]

Just based on pvp last night, had about 113 MR and resisted root and snare about 18 or so times before it landed on me for 4 people to get me down. Rough estimate, but seems very classic excellent job, now if we can get a handle on some of the other bugs we should be ready to rock and roll.

[Smedy]

Trust me, people whining about nukes, the grass is very much greener on the other side, remember a wizard can only nuke 3 or 4 times before oom, as a healer i cannot die to a wizard unless he stuns me with luck.

From my pvp last night all i could experience was a very balanced gameplay, loving these new resists, and i'm not playing a caster, i just enjoy seeing casters being useful, i'm very use to the vztz style when there's only melee and hybrids in the end cause casters are gimped as fuck.

[Cymbal]

Because its classic. They nerf spell dmg later on. Unsure when but in classic and Kunark it was 80% spell dmg in pvp.

I would also like to add that all caster dps is mana based.
You can not spam cast ice comet, its like 4 casts if you have solid gear and don't waste mana on cc spells.

umm, you wont need 4 ice comets...

you'll need 1 ice comet by levitating on top of some one, then its pretty much GG

how is that fun?

[Nirgon]

Non-all or nothing spells sound as close as they're gonna get. Now to manage things like stun, root, snare, blind and make them completely unreliable past a mid range/bench mark magic resist.

Also, hopefully the dispel thing is fixed up. That's a huge-un.

[Lovely]

umm, you wont need 4 ice comets...

you'll need 1 ice comet by levitating on top of some one, then its pretty much GG

how is that fun?

Comments like that means you've never ever PVP'd in Everquest.

I advise you not to start on Red99 and stay on Blue99.

I'm a Wizard and I can eat 2-3 Ice comets without even being close to dying (Without buffs from any other Class) the day another Wizard land 2-4 Ice comets on me is the day I quit this game. If they even land one on me means I took it on purpose or I was in a fight and they caught me off guard. But that's 1.. Any more hitting me means I always took it on purpose for some calculated reason.

[Nirgon]

You wont be talkin so much with a monk's foot in your mouth when that ice comet is coming your way.

In b4 stuns should reliably land, tards can't walk forward after hit by shock of lightning etc.

[Lovely]

Same thing goes for any other powerful spell (all got long cast times) even if you get snared or rooted as a melee you have time to dispell it and run out of range before it actually lands unless you're a total baddie.

Obviously it won't work if you have several ppl on you and they spam CC. But you don't balance PVP for 1v2 or 1v3 for example.

[Nirgon]

And you certainly don't consider group+ vs group+ pvp, well at least you don't now.

But you will.

[Lovely]

I don't even know if you're talking to me Nirgon. But if you are then it makes no sense whatsoever.

Beside that fact that you're a hurt scrub trying to comment on anything I say.

[Cymbal]

i dont know why i bother... but....

u can say what ever you want, the STATISTICS dont lie on whats the most played/oped classes.

enjoy every advantage in the book and please when you lose delete your character.

[Lovely]

Bard • Cleric • Druid • Enchanter • Magician • Monk • Necromancer • Paladin • Ranger • Rogue • Shadow Knight • Shaman • Warrior • Wizard

On this beta it's been like this. (No order)

Least played classes In these classes I've seen less then 4 different people at level 50.

Cleric, Ranger, Rogue, Bard

Medium played classes in these classes I've seen less then 5-6 different people at level 50 (I'm not counting buff bots cause then I'd put enchanter at most played as well)

Wizard, Monk, Paladin, Warrior, Enchanter

Most played classes by far In all these I've seen like 10++++ players in every class.

Mage, Shaman, Shadow Knight, Necromancer, Druid

[Nirgon]

I don't even know if you're talking to me Nirgon. But if you are then it makes no sense whatsoever.

Beside that fact that you're a hurt scrub trying to comment on anything I say.

I think based on your rep so far you may want to think more about 1v2+ going forward.

[Crenshinabon]

Keep in mind guys, ice comet is a drop off vox...
You will not see the spell for a while.

[Arillious]

This looks about right to me. Keepin it classic.

[Lovely]

I prefer the odds to be against me. It's more fun that way. But thanks

[Nirgon]

I think your preference might change and be reflected on these boards very soon.... something to the tune of "zergs" of 20-30man guilds, resists.

[yaarii]

Try playing a Necro...then you'll see OP..

That is such bullshit, Lovely. Apart from lifetap, mana regen, pet, pet buffs, poison dots, root, lifetap dots, harmshield, shieldskins, shadowstep, poison dd's, snare dots, undead spells, invis, dmf, corpse locate, fear, disease dots, gate and debuffs....necros have nothing.

[dusk883]

running around with 168 MR as a bard, resisting jack shit unless it's Root. No empirical evidence. Just sayin

[Nirgon]

Sometimes shit happens despite resists. Null's parser should be the best indicator.

[Kain]

Attempted to snare bard with 158 MR. He resisted 6 times, one he instantly cancelled and the other only lasted two seconds.

I used 80% of my mana for a two second snare, and that doesn't sound right to me.

I have 98 MR, and he just perpetually mezzed me with no resist.

[Darwoth2]

if you frivolously wasted 80% of your mana trying to snare a bard i doubt any resistance system concievable by mankind could assist you.

[gloinz]

if you frivolously wasted 80% of your mana trying to snare a bard i doubt any resistance system concievable by mankind could assist you.

TRUTH

[Crazerous]

darwoth just whines and bitches and lies about classic so his druid class can become more powerful....never see him argue against snares landing to much...but has never heard of a full resist on a spell in classic with 150 resist LOL

[Darwoth2]

darwoth just whines and bitches and lies about classic so his druid class can become more powerful....never see him argue against snares landing to much...but has never heard of a full resist on a spell in classic with 150 resist LOL

you are a moron, pretty sure i have stated numerous times snares/roots should rarely land, hence my previous post to the guy bitching about being unable to snare a bard with high mr.

i swear this planet will look like the idiocracy movie in a few more generations thanks to you fucking oxygen thieves.

[Naez 4.20]

[citation needed]

[Bazia]

darwoth just whines and bitches and lies about classic so his druid class can become more powerful....never see him argue against snares landing to much...but has never heard of a full resist on a spell in classic with 150 resist LOL

Ignore Darwoth, he obviously trolls to make/keep his chosen class OP and then flames you when you call him out on it.

It's funny because he is not even subtle about it.

[Tamiah2011]

Ignore Darwoth, he obviously trolls to make/keep his chosen class OP and then flames you when you call him out on it.

It's funny because he is not even subtle about it.

Noob, Darwoth is one of the most active player on R99 and I would trust his opioin over your anyday, plus WTF you could alway make a wizard and show us how powerful they are and pk us very easy, what your complaint now?

[Bazia]

Noob

No, you're a towel.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXpMs0YZDN8SSGnjaNJx_7fYTKxQU-HHUvhUI5hX5o_tiXiWXubQ

[Tamiah2011]

No, you're a towel.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXpMs0YZDN8SSGnjaNJx_7fYTKxQU-HHUvhUI5hX5o_tiXiWXubQ

and your a basement dweller that need to get out and get a job...

[Bazia]

and your a basement dweller that need to get out and get a job...

No, you're a towel.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXpMs0YZDN8SSGnjaNJx_7fYTKxQU-HHUvhUI5hX5o_tiXiWXubQ

[Smedy]

Tamiah2011 is so bad at the internet it's not even funny, how the fuck did you find this place dog

[Tamiah2011]

Tamiah2011 is so bad at the internet it's not even funny, how the fuck did you find this place dog

Earned it unlike you brother, is Obama going pay for your rent before we kick his ass out of office as well?.....

[kprobe]

With these changes it hardly makes sense to stack any resists but MR/PR for roots, snares and ebolt. 1/0 spells are still effective, partials however, like nukes, do so much damage despite 150+ fr/cr you might as well stack hp.

These are high resists for classic and endgame, and it doesn't make sense to get them with this system.

So, IMHO, somewhere between where we are now and where it was is ideal.

Unless you only want casters when it hits live, *shrug*.

[Cwall]

Earned it unlike you brother, is Obama going pay for your rent before we kick his ass out of office as well?.....

oh sweet jesus what the fuck did you just say

[Darwoth2]

With these changes it hardly makes sense to stack any resists but MR/PR for roots, snares and ebolt. 1/0 spells are still effective, partials however, like nukes, do so much damage despite 150+ fr/cr you might as well stack hp.

These are high resists for classic and endgame, and it doesn't make sense to get them with this system.

So, IMHO, somewhere between where we are now and where it was is ideal.

Unless you only want casters when it hits live, *shrug*.

another newb. nobody stacks poison resistance, they buy cure potions.



as per null using the same spell i was over 1k casts:

Resist : Average : Total
25FR : 489 : 3912
50FR : 485 : 3880
75FR : 455 : 3640
100FR : 371 : 2968
125FR : 299 : 2392
150FR : 257 : 2056
200FR : 201 : 1608
250FR : 158 : 1264

these are classic era nuke damage numbers. fire and cold are the easiest resistances to acquire, at 150 resistance you also have a 50% chance to only take a quarter of the incoming damage and if you find that unreasonable i dont know what else to say.

[Tamiah2011]

oh sweet jesus what the fuck did you just say

What part did you not understand?

[Amuk]

Any of your posts.

[Tamiah2011]

Any of your posts.

your pus still hurt?

[casdegere]

Well the Necro/SK dominance will now be contested at any rate. Chanters hitting people with Tash will make a much larger impact now. Especially with a Mage/Wizzy friend. Druids and Bards will have a harder time of it now as well. Will be nice to see a larger spread of classes now.

[Smedy]

Earned it unlike you brother, is Obama going pay for your rent before we kick his ass out of office as well?.....

Totally riding the obama-care pack here dawg, livin it up!

You being a republican just falls right into place with the rest of your posts brah, keep it up dawg

[Tamiah2011]

Totally riding the obama-care pack here dawg, livin it up!

You being a republican just falls right into place with the rest of your posts brah, keep it up dawg

Well enjoy you free ride for another few months, It will be another few hundred years before you see another brother in office...

[Smedy]

Thank you, i will enjoy my Obama care pack brah, free box time, doin it up!

[Tamiah2011]

Thank you, i will enjoy my Obama care pack brah, free box time, doin it up!

Going be overturned first thing when a white president take office, then what maybe you get a job?

[Smedy]

Herman Cain for president 2012, If You Don't Have A Job And You Are Not Rich, Blame Yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTf7zxaepTE

Vote Herman Cain for president 2012 to save your country!

[Tamiah2011]

Herman Cain for president 2012, If You Don't Have A Job And You Are Not Rich, Blame Yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTf7zxaepTE

Vote Herman Cain for president 2012 to save your country!

Herman Cain could of won, but he choice to use the same head most brothers use instead.

[Arillious]

darwoth just whines and bitches and lies about classic so his druid class can become more powerful....never see him argue against snares landing to much...but has never heard of a full resist on a spell in classic with 150 resist LOL

You do realize he is lobbying for snares and roots to be resisted more right?

[Tamiah2011]

You do realize he is lobbying for snares and roots to be resisted more right?

If you knew anything about Darwoth, you would know he plays about every class..Monk,druid,ranger,enc

[Fryden Goldenbeard]

Lol all threads end up with Tamiah vs the world :)

[Nirgon]

Makes me wish we could trade him for Sprinkle.

[Lovely]

Lol all threads end up with Tamiah vs the world :)

Tamiah stole my thing :(

[Nirgon]

Well maybe take it as an opportunity to get off the hook broseph.