New PvP Range

[Rogean]

Will be patching this in either tonight or tomorrow along with other stuff. Wanted to give a heads up on how it will work. We might be disabling the dynamic system, but implementing the new range scaling.

Levels 1 to 19 will have a 4 level PvP Range.
Levels 20 to 39 will have a 6 level PvP Range.
Levels 40 to 60 will have an 8 level PvP Range.

Combat will be based on the lowest level's range (a level 15 and level 20 won't be able to attack eachother,even though the 20 has a 6 level pvp range, the 15 only has a 4, attack disallowed).

[Fatch]

Woot

[Titanuk]

not bad not bad

[Crenshinabon]

Sounds great!

[Authority]

woop woop

[Palemoon]

That looks perfect.

[Lazortag]

Levels 1 through 19? So does that mean level 1 is pvp-enabled?

[Palemoon]

Levels 41 to 60 will have an 8 level PvP Range.



I think you mean 40 to 60

Or did you mean 20 to 40?

[juicedsixfo]

Super sweet

[Tombom]

like

[Rogean]

I think you mean 40 to 60

Or did you mean 20 to 40?

Fixed.

[Zigfreed]

Seems like a good idea/compromise. Nice work.

[ChubbyBubbles]

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Great news!!

Will we also be seeing a change to the con system along with this. Like making all pvp targets con white while out of range players con *orange* or something similar?

[SwordNboard]

So does that mean a level 20 could attack down to a level 14 while the 14 could only attack up to 18? Or unless attacked, could he defend? How are those boundaries going to mesh?

[Palemoon]

a lvl 20 could not attack a lvl 14, nor could the 14 attack the lvl 20

[SwordNboard]

..and by that I'm assuming the 20 couldn't attack a 19? Hard brackets? Or the 20 could only attack down to 16..

[Crenshinabon]

Would think level range for a level 23 would be 19 lowest he could attack.
Kind of like what Sword said above me. A level 20 could still only attack a minimum of a level 16.
At level 24 lowest attack range is 20, then at 25 you can still attack a 20 but no longer the level 19s, and 26 can still attack a level 20.

In regards to the cons in pvp.
Having anyone within pvp range con white would be SO great! If they are above your pvp range they con red and below is green.
No need for blue and yellow in pvp con. Let the people not know if someone is an easy kill or not!

[Galacticus]

Looks good.

[Rushmore]

Will be patching this in either tonight or tomorrow along with other stuff. Wanted to give a heads up on how it will work. We might be disabling the dynamic system, but implementing the new range scaling.

Levels 1 to 19 will have a 4 level PvP Range.
Levels 20 to 39 will have a 6 level PvP Range.
Levels 40 to 60 will have an 8 level PvP Range.

Combat will be based on the lowest level's range (a level 15 and level 20 won't be able to attack eachother,even though the 20 has a 6 level pvp range, the 15 only has a 4, attack disallowed).

Rogean I know this isn't an issue at the moment. But please think about adding FFA zones. Especially when Kunark drops. 60's not being able to stop 50's from raiding in planes is retarded. Also Dragons like Naggy and Vox shouldn't be limited to level 53. They should be opened to 60 and if possible buffed at that time to make them even harder to kill.

This prevents a lot of nonsense that you won't end up having to deal with.

FFA zones are a must! Please! Your our only hope.

[Crenshinabon]

I would hope that the raid zones and endgame dungeons would be FFA!~

[gloinz]

I would hope that the raid zones and endgame dungeons would be FFA!~

they should be ffa and COMPLETELY gm free similar to the idea behind veeshan peak gameplan

[Durk]

This new PvP range looks perfect. Thanks a ton and good job

[Gnar]

Will be patching this in either tonight or tomorrow along with other stuff. Wanted to give a heads up on how it will work. We might be disabling the dynamic system, but implementing the new range scaling.

Levels 1 to 19 will have a 4 level PvP Range.
Levels 20 to 39 will have a 6 level PvP Range.
Levels 40 to 60 will have an 8 level PvP Range.

Combat will be based on the lowest level's range (a level 15 and level 20 won't be able to attack eachother,even though the 20 has a 6 level pvp range, the 15 only has a 4, attack disallowed).

Havent been able to test this rogean but on vztz you couldnt kick or bash or backstab someone who was -+5 levels behind or ahead of you. IE lvl 50 warrior couldnt bash a 44 (who was still in pvp range) but auto attack worked fine.

[Gnar]

Rogean I know this isn't an issue at the moment. But please think about adding FFA zones. Especially when Kunark drops. 60's not being able to stop 50's from raiding in planes is retarded. Also Dragons like Naggy and Vox shouldn't be limited to level 53. They should be opened to 60 and if possible buffed at that time to make them even harder to kill.

This prevents a lot of nonsense that you won't end up having to deal with.

FFA zones are a must! Please! Your our only hope.

More good ideas like these and less bad ideas like trying to get shinaba into the guild.

[Rogean]

Havent been able to test this rogean but on vztz you couldnt kick or bash or backstab someone who was -+5 levels behind or ahead of you. IE lvl 50 warrior couldnt bash a 44 (who was still in pvp range) but auto attack worked fine.

Then how about testing before talking.

[Softcore PK]

Why is the dynamic range being considered for removal? It was one of the best features I had heard of for EQ pvp, and Null had told me that the bugs shouldn't be too hard to work out.

[Humerox]

Sounds perfect!

Dynamic should still be in to thwart oor healing.

[Softcore PK]

Since my main will be cleric at launch, I was really looking forward to not being ever being an immy healer :/

[Rust1d?]

Any thought of having pvp starting at lv 6? Just seems to be logical to have new pvp'ers have a little wiggle room and not get insta ganked by level 5's etc at lv 1

[Gnar]

Then how about testing before talking.

nope. just thought you might enjoy reading my thoughtful post.

[mimixownzall]

Havent been able to test this rogean but on vztz you couldnt kick or bash or backstab someone who was -+5 levels behind or ahead of you. IE lvl 50 warrior couldnt bash a 44 (who was still in pvp range) but auto attack worked fine.

Translation: I haven't been able to test this, Rogean, but on some shit emu server not even linked to red99 there was a fucking retarded bug that, I dunno, I guess might be applicable here for some stupid fucking reason. Thank me later for wasting your time with this ignorant post.

[Gnar]

Translation: I haven't been able to test this, Rogean, but on some shit emu server not even linked to red99 there was a fucking retarded bug that, I dunno, I guess might be applicable here for some stupid fucking reason. Thank me later for wasting your time with this ignorant post.

Lots of bugs of eq emu are exactly that, problems with eq emu, not p99. Sorry if you weren't aware of that, you angry piece of trash.

[Xareth]

Bump FFA zones.

[Darksinga]

If a level 1 trains you on your nagafen raid, you deserve to die

As for the post 50 stuff, who cares, that won't happen for at least another 6 months, possibly a year, shouldn't be putting our focus on FFA zones atm but other stuff. One of you trolls said put Guk as a FFA zone. How does that make sense when you can xp off guk bottom entrance around lvl 30s.

What you guys want is being able to be lvl 50 and ganking the shit out of 30s.

FFA zones should only go in Kunark, if at all.

[Pudge]

Any thought of having pvp starting at lv 6? Just seems to be logical to have new pvp'ers have a little wiggle room and not get insta ganked by level 5's etc at lv 1

i agree. it lets new players make friends and get used to the server at lower levels


also: FFA raid zones pls (guk isnt a raid zone. but maybe it could have FFA AREAS like evil eye area)

[Mardur]

[23:52] Rogean: [Fri Oct 28 23:51:48 2011] You have entered Nagafen's Lair.
[23:52] Rogean: [Fri Oct 28 23:51:49 2011] This zone does not have a PvP level range limit.
[23:53] Rogean: [Fri Oct 28 23:52:46 2011] Rogean glares at you threateningly -- Is your body ready?

[Lasher]

If a level 1 trains you on your nagafen raid, you deserve to die

As for the post 50 stuff, who cares, that won't happen for at least another 6 months, possibly a year, shouldn't be putting our focus on FFA zones atm but other stuff. One of you trolls said put Guk as a FFA zone. How does that make sense when you can xp off guk bottom entrance around lvl 30s.

What you guys want is being able to be lvl 50 and ganking the shit out of 30s.

FFA zones should only go in Kunark, if at all.

Since they at entrance they can just zone out and avoid the gank. If guk entrance is good exp and im 30 i will lvl there and if lvl 50's try to gank ill take the risk or find another place to lvl

[Macken]

Levels 1 to 19 will have a 4 level PvP Range.
Levels 20 to 39 will have a 6 level PvP Range.
Levels 40 to 60 will have an 8 level PvP Range.
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Horrible idea.

I don't know what i should buy for launch...

A pair of panties or a scientific calculator.

[Lovely]

I kinda liked the 8+ system at all levels since I wanna be able to attack as many people as possible even if they are deep red. But this system is close enough so I'm not gonna cry about it.

[Titanuk]

Raid zones need to be FFA, MUST MUST

[Billbike]

Good compromise.

Thank you for keeping 8 level range at higher levels.

Hopefully the carebears and unicorn riders will be happy with the reduced PvP range at lower levels.

FFA raid zones are a good idea, or else the PvP range will be exploited for competition free loots.

[Mardur]

[23:52] Rogean: [Fri Oct 28 23:51:48 2011] You have entered Nagafen's Lair.
[23:52] Rogean: [Fri Oct 28 23:51:49 2011] This zone does not have a PvP level range limit.
[23:53] Rogean: [Fri Oct 28 23:52:46 2011] Rogean glares at you threateningly -- Is your body ready?

List of zones that need this no level range functionality:

Najena
Lower Guk
Permafrost
Cazic Thule
Plane of Hate
Plane of Sky
Plane of Fear
South Karana

Post-Sol Ro Patch:
Remove for Najena, Cazic Thule
Add South Ro

[Palemoon]

^^ horrible list of zones. Keep the FFA mechanic to purely "RAID" zones. This is a level range pvp server not a FFA server.

And I like the idea of "adventurers" taking their time through the game actually able to camp "legacy" items in their level range and not worry about "basement dwellers" first to lvl 50 in a week waltzing in and one shotting them.

[Goobles]

Rogean I know this isn't an issue at the moment. But please think about adding FFA zones. Especially when Kunark drops. 60's not being able to stop 50's from raiding in planes is retarded. Also Dragons like Naggy and Vox shouldn't be limited to level 53. They should be opened to 60 and if possible buffed at that time to make them even harder to kill.

This prevents a lot of nonsense that you won't end up having to deal with.

FFA zones are a must! Please! Your our only hope.


For starters, it will be 1-50 for a while. Secondly. If you are going to stay level 50-51 during Kunark to avoid pvp so you can raid, you are pussy little bitch, and are going to need a lot more bodies than the level 60 raiders (which won't happen). Just saying. It's a shitty hypothetical scenario.

[Mardur]

^^ horrible list of zones. Keep the FFA mechanic to purely "RAID" zones. This is a level range pvp server not a FFA server.

And I like the idea of "adventurers" taking their time through the game actually able to camp "legacy" items in their level range and not worry about "basement dwellers" first to lvl 50 in a week waltzing in and one shotting them.

If I get to level 50 before you I should be able to get Jboots before you. Keep your socialist mentality to the blue server.

[Softcore PK]

FFA zones will hurt lower levels exping in level appropriate areas. With KSing legal, why is this an issue? And the dynamic level range would fix people bringing in lower healer friends to zones. I don't like FFA zones because they give the higher levels more reason to believe they're more important than everyone else.

[Mardur]

If you don't want PvP just don't exp in a FFA zone. There's like a billion other options. If I had it my way, all dungeons would be FFA. You can level 1-50 outdoors.

[Rushmore]

^^ horrible list of zones. Keep the FFA mechanic to purely "RAID" zones. This is a level range pvp server not a FFA server.

And I like the idea of "adventurers" taking their time through the game actually able to camp "legacy" items in their level range and not worry about "basement dwellers" first to lvl 50 in a week waltzing in and one shotting them.

Bluebie Above GTFO

For starters, it will be 1-50 for a while. Secondly. If you are going to stay level 50-51 during Kunark to avoid pvp so you can raid, you are pussy little bitch, and are going to need a lot more bodies than the level 60 raiders (which won't happen). Just saying. It's a shitty hypothetical scenario.

Hey pal people will exploit this if you give them the option. Yes they will level 10 mages or how many it takes and stop at level 50 just to kill naggy everytime while you sir and the rest of the server cannot do shit about it! Just saying again I play with the hard ass *****s that will do this. So fuck you guys... I'm trying to help you out!

FFA zones will hurt lower levels exping in level appropriate areas. With KSing legal, why is this an issue? And the dynamic level range would fix people bringing in lower healer friends to zones. I don't like FFA zones because they give the higher levels more reason to believe they're more important than everyone else.

THEN DON"T FUCKING LEVEL THERE! BLUEBIE GTFO

[Softcore PK]

How does KSing and dynamic range not solve this problem?

[Palemoon]

Dosent matter what rushmore/mardur want, Rogean is not making Najena (lol) a FFA so their level 50's can one shot and corpse camp lvl 15s trying to xp.

Keep your griefer mentality on VZTZ

[Sprinkle]

List of zones that need this no level range functionality:

Najena ~ See below
Lower Guk plenty of level 30s will be leveling here and plenty of 50s will wax them at the ent keep the normal range

Permafrost
Cazic Thule ^^^^^^^^^
Plane of Hate 46+
Plane of Sky 46+
Plane of Fear 46+
South Karana level 20s can level here why the FUCK would they make it ffa pvp so quillmane assholes can kill people at aviak town? Are you an idiot?

Post-Sol Ro Patch:
Remove for Najena, Cazic Thule
Add South Ro

[Macken]

Dosent matter what rushmore/mardur want, Rogean is not making Najena (lol) a FFA so their level 50's can one shot and corpse camp lvl 15s trying to xp.

Keep your griefer mentality on VZTZ

Grow up kid.

[Macken]

How does KSing and dynamic range not solve this problem?

What problem does KSing solve?

Dynamic range hasn't solved any problems...only created them. Same thing with +/- any fixed range. It causes more problems than it solves. Rogean and crew are just ignorant or have some masochistic fantasy that they want to act out on their staff.

[Palemoon]

What problem does KSing solve?

Dynamic range hasn't solved any problems...only created them. Same thing with +/- any fixed range. It causes more problems than it solves. Rogean and crew are just ignorant or have some masochistic fantasy that they want to act out on their staff.

No, I think its just you. Good thing you are not in charge of this severs rules.

[Goobles]

Hey pal people will exploit this if you give them the option. Yes they will level 10 mages or how many it takes and stop at level 50 just to kill naggy everytime while you sir and the rest of the server cannot do shit about it! Just saying again I play with the hard ass *****s that will do this. So fuck you guys... I'm trying to help you out!





Anyone higher than level 52 can't attack Naggy anyways. Besides, there's always Talendor at level 60.

[Sprinkle]

why does macken call everyone kid

[Humerox]

why does macken call everyone kid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvNyDEOZa9o

[Silikten]

Level 60s can still zone into Permafrost and naggy lair. They just can't get agro or they will be ported out. So 60s can still stop 52s from killing them.

Changing the level cap on old world dragons is a terrible idea.

[Tamiah2011]

Level 60s can still zone into Permafrost and naggy lair. They just can't get agro or they will be ported out. So 60s can still stop 52s from killing them.

Changing the level cap on old world dragons is a terrible idea.

Yes in classic if anyone above 52 attacked Naggy she would reset..true storey

[Sprinkle]

Level 60s can still zone into Permafrost and naggy lair. They just can't get agro or they will be ported out. So 60s can still stop 52s from killing them.

Changing the level cap on old world dragons is a terrible idea.

killed naggy / vox at 65+ several times as a magician on live , dragon will only port you out if you ENTER HIS LAIR

you can send your pet through the wall and have a lowbie heal it

70+ pets can solo him/her , go try it

[Sprinkle]

on another note any epic mage with luclin heal and c3 could solo both as well , thats right a 53 mage can solo both those dragons

google it , youll see the videos

[Tamiah2011]

Rogean it need to be set 4 lvl from what level your at meaing if your 20 u can attack anyone 16-24 4 up and 4 lower

[Haul]

Omg this is so much better than previous system.

[Shinabaa]

I think this system will improve the server.

[Lasher]

on another note any epic mage with luclin heal and c3 could solo both as well , thats right a 53 mage can solo both those dragons

google it , youll see the videos

I thought if a pet was on a mob that summons that the mob will summon the owner, i dont really recall pets getting summon on live but i could be wrong and mis remembering

[Palemoon]

killed naggy / vox at 65+ several times as a magician on live , dragon will only port you out if you ENTER HIS LAIR

you can send your pet through the wall and have a lowbie heal it

70+ pets can solo him/her , go try it

Are you sure about that? I thought if you got on the dragons agro list you'd be teleported out.

[Sprinkle]

only if you are in the lair thats how the banish works

naggy's banish area is bigger , but before you aggro the room you guard your pet closer and go much further away

then all the crap in his room aggroes pet and dragon joins in