Disallow character sales and trades

[Palemoon]

One thing that shocked me when first visiting these forums and going to the EC tunnel section, was seeing player characters and accounts up for sale and trade. I'm talking about for in game curency, or swaping accounts here, I know RMT is not allowed already.

I think this is a net negative to the community. It allows:

-people with bad reputation to sell or trade for another account, or even just claim to be a "new owner" with a good/new reputation.

-hurts the low and mid level grouping game, as people who want certain alts just buy them instead of rolling a new toon and grouping up through the levels. This hurts new players even more because instead of grouping with the vets and their twinks leveling up, those vets are just jumping on other peoples leveled characters

-goes against the classic spirit of the game, where someones account was for them to play on only and could not legally be transfered, sold, etc to another owner

-people will burn out or lose interest in the server faster if they are just buying level 60 toons to toy with instead of leveling up their own alts. They will also have ALOT less attachment to characters they buy, then ones they create/name/level themselves. I.E. its bad for the player buying new accounts and toons, too.

I'm sure there are other reasons why its just a bad idea and I suggest putting an end to it. Its just not in the spirit of old school MMOing at all.

[jarshale]

I know RMT is now allowed already.


wut?

[Ektar]

I know RMT is now allowed already.

did I miss the memo on that? if so ektar's value probably halved :(

[Palemoon]

typo, already corrected

[jarshale]

My bad. Anyway, this has been pointed out over and over but I don't think it's going to change anytime soon.

[Palemoon]

Maybe the release of the fresh/clean new red99 server, and Veeshan's Peak with its new no drop gear (and we are still in the pre epic era) is a good time to put a stop to this.

Its gonna be sad when toons w/epics start to be sold, talk about taking away the journey.

[Quizy]

Maybe the release of the fresh/clean new red99 server, and Veeshan's Peak with its new no drop gear (and we are still in the pre epic era) is a good time to put a stop to this.

Its gonna be sad when toons w/epics start to be sold, talk about taking away the journey.

if it means some people will keep playing on a diff toon rather then quit than its fine with me.. who cares ? Its a way to keep the game fresh for people

[Palemoon]

Except in practice the opposite happens. How long would you play EQ or keep a subscription if you could just create max level characters every time you log in?

Same concept.

Selling/buying toons takes away the journey

[jarshale]

Does it really take away the journey if it takes a while to save up the plat for characters? You still have to play the game

edit: DING sarnak

[Palemoon]

Does it really take away the journey if it takes a while to save up the plat for characters? You still have to play the game

edit: DING sarnak


No, because you just have to do the journy once, and then you trade your guy for another 60, do that X how ever many classes you want to tinker with at 60 and then quit.

Same deal if you are useing plat, just need the inital pile of money that you then push around as you buy/sell your way though the classes.

[Softcore PK]

Yes, please don't allow this to continue. It's terrible :(

[Snaggles]

Terrible players will stay terrible. Good ones will learn new classes quickly (if they don't know the class already).

I fail to see the problem if someone wants to swap their ____ for ____ or even buy an account with in-game items/cash. Making someone mash through 10 levels of rats and snakes won't teach them anything. Plus the rich will just have their friends PL them or equip fungi tunics. Talk about the "spirit of the game", Seb Croaking Dirk & Fungi at level 1?

The logic that trading/selling will destroy the low and mid game is extremely speculative. People are making alts all the time and half of them are just as clueless as 1999.

On that note, I have a lvl 23 necro for sale :D. Since he's a lowbie and has shitty gear you can enjoy getting trained at the dock in the Oasis all day long. He has a great rep because I'm anti-social. La~!

[hotstud]

This has been gone over like 100 times with no response from the staff. I agree, it's rather stupid to not allow RMT but then see people in EC /auctioning accounts for platinum. Might as well allow RMT if people are going to be selling accounts openly anyway.

[citizen1080]

The horse is dead..stop beating him. Anyone who can afford to buy a character has already spent plenty of time on the "journey" and if they would rather buy a character than level another than who are you to say no?

Not to mention eq is old...99% of the people here played the game to death back on live...which means they know how to play most the classes in the game. And if they don't this is not rocket science, its EQ.

If you don't like char sales than there are a few things you can do. Avoid the trade forum .

Avoid EC, which you should be anyways since buying and selling things detracts from the "journey" as you didn't farm everything for your character yourself.

God forbid someone plays the game in a way in which you do not agree with.

[hotstud]

The horse is dead..stop beating him. Anyone who can afford to buy a character has already spent plenty of time on the "journey" and if they would rather buy a character than level another than who are you to say no?

Not to mention eq is old...99% of the people here played the game to death back on live...which means they know how to play most the classes in the game. And if they don't this is not rocket science, its EQ.

If you don't like char sales than there are a few things you can do. Avoid the trade forum .

Avoid EC, which you should be anyways since buying and selling things detracts from the "journey" as you didn't farm everything for your character yourself.

God forbid someone plays the game in a way in which you do not agree with.

Allowing character selling for platinum just leads right into RMT and if RMT isn't allowed neither should character selling.

[citizen1080]

Allowing people to drive leads right into accidental deaths, accidental deaths are bad and therefor people should not be allowed to drive.

Your logic is UNfalliable sir.

[Softcore PK]

EQ is a social game. Characters have unique personas, and reputations. Character trades destroy these wonderful aspects of the game. This is my issue with it.

[Diggles]

First you complain about Abacab's name now you're throwing a fit about this?

Dude, account sales are going to happen whether they allow them or not, this just saves a lot of unneeded banning and hassle.

[hotstud]

Allowing people to drive leads right into accidental deaths, accidental deaths are bad and therefor people should not be allowed to drive.

Your logic is UNfalliable sir.

That is the dumbest post I've ever seen here.

1. It's not classic.
2. It's fucking annoying having people spamming characters for sale in game because it's not classic.
3. It expands the amount of characters available to be bought and sold which encourages people to buy platinum to obtain them (this invalidates your stupid comment about anyone who has platinum has played here a long time).
4. It's not classic.

[citizen1080]

If you will notice my post is a exact copy of your logic...the fact that you say it is dumb is ironic at the very least.

1. It is classic. just because it was not allowed by sony does not mean a lot of people did not do it and enjoyed it as part of their eq1 experience. Guess what..you're not supposed to be playing this emu either according to sony...and yet here you are.

2. /ignore is a wonderful feature, and character sales spam is no more annoying than normal sale spam.

3. No matter what you do people will cheat. Guess what! RMT is against the rules...yet people still manage to get it. Guess what! Make char sales illegal and they will still get them. Making something illegal does not make it go away sorry.

4. See #1

5. You are a moron

[hotstud]

If you will notice my post is a exact copy of your logic...the fact that you say it is dumb is ironic at the very least.

1. It is classic. just because it was not allowed by sony does not mean a lot of people did not do it and enjoyed it as part of their eq1 experience. Guess what..you're not supposed to be playing this emu either according to sony...and yet here you are.

2. /ignore is a wonderful feature, and character sales spam is no more annoying than normal sale spam.

3. No matter what you do people will cheat. Guess what! RMT is against the rules...yet people still manage to get it. Guess what! Make char sales illegal and they will still get them. Making something illegal does not make it go away sorry.

4. See #1

5. You are a moron

1. No, people auctioning characters in game and on forums isn't classic. You retarded bro?

2. Yes, it is annoying because it reminds me of all the RMT that goes on here.

3. I don't give a fuck if people are "still gonna do it", it shouldn't be done on official forums and in game.

5. Shut your cumtrap bitch.

6. Confirmed RMTer.

[citizen1080]

1. lol

2. lol

3. lol

4 ??? WHERE DID IT GO !?! damn son..you can't count to 6?

5. lol

6. lol


I rest my case...

On a side note you do not deserve to reference Uthgaard in your sig...he would not want to be associated with someone who can't even count to 6.

[hotstud]

1. lol

2. lol

3. lol

4 ??? WHERE DID IT GO !?! damn son..you can't count to 6?

5. lol

6. lol


I rest my case...

On a side note you do not deserve to reference Uthgaard in your sig...he would not want to be associated with someone who can't even count to 6.

I had a feeling you'd try to make that retarded point just because I skipped a number in your post. This is the point where you rage out and go, "LOL I TROLL U" since you're obviously a pathetic loser who RMTs a 12 year old emulator game and is worried about account sales for plat not being allowed.

To be honest though I'm pretty happy with myself, I didn't think I'd be able to get you to troll you so easily since your posts are usually pretty collected. Oh well.

[Quizy]

1. No, people auctioning characters in game and on forums isn't classic. You retarded bro?

2. Yes, it is annoying because it reminds me of all the RMT that goes on here.

3. I don't give a fuck if people are "still gonna do it", it shouldn't be done on official forums and in game.

5. Shut your cumtrap bitch.

6. Confirmed RMTer.

one two three fixe six.

LOL .... cumtrap ?

Bob is good people and he is 100% right.. stfu .. it doesnt hurt you.... your just mad your a broke little bitch who barely enuff plat to do anything but buy a few pieces of bronze.

[hotstud]

one two three fixe six.

LOL .... cumtrap ?

Bob is good people and he is 100% right.. stfu .. it doesnt hurt you.... your just mad your a broke little bitch who barely enuff plat to do anything but buy a few pieces of bronze.

Uh oh it's Quizy.. server reject Monk.

Hey quizy hows that diverticulitis and chrons going? You still going AFK every 3 minutes to take a 15 minute shit? Get the fuck out of here newb. I especially loved your, "OMG I GOT T STAFF" OOC last night when you were already using one. You're rich in the sense that you're never in short supply of human waste.

P.S. 4. See 1.. OMG, so useful, glad I added that. Learn the difference between counting and referencing.

[morphem]

EQ is a social game. Characters have unique personas, and reputations. Character trades destroy these wonderful aspects of the game. This is my issue with it.

totally agree

And character sales are definitly not in the Classic spirit

[Palemoon]

Why are they not only allowed, but supported with stickys in the EC tunnel section? Has a dev already commented on this previously? Link to what they had to say?

[Snaggles]

How many of you knew someone who was constantly being played by a guildie or friend? Half the time my RL friends had their toons being rolled into raids and what-not because they were short a bard, chanter, healer, etc.

I knew people who quit all the time and their brother/friend would pick the account up. Some would actually sell and some would keep it active for that reason. While I (personally) wouldn't play a toon I didn't create I can totally understand people who would want to.

Perhaps not allowing the account auctions in EC would fit more with the "spirit of classic" as it certainly was a ban-able offense back in the day. I mean, you could even get liquor during prohibition but nobody was yelling "We are selling booze!" from the alley.

[azxten]

Why are they not only allowed, but supported with stickys in the EC tunnel section? Has a dev already commented on this previously? Link to what they had to say?

RMT isn't allowed here. *wink wink*

[Roanoke]

How many of you knew someone who was constantly being played by a guildie or friend? Half the time my RL friends had their toons being rolled into raids and what-not because they were short a bard, chanter, healer, etc.

I knew people who quit all the time and their brother/friend would pick the account up. Some would actually sell and some would keep it active for that reason. While I (personally) wouldn't play a toon I didn't create I can totally understand people who would want to.

Perhaps not allowing the account auctions in EC would fit more with the "spirit of classic" as it certainly was a ban-able offense back in the day. I mean, you could even get liquor during prohibition but nobody was yelling "We are selling booze!" from the alley.

You should brush up on your prohibition history...

[Snaggles]

You should brush up on your prohibition history...

I meant if you had connections with bootleggers or organized crime. I've watched The Untouchables like 5 times. :p

[pickled_heretic]

Why are they not only allowed, but supported with stickys in the EC tunnel section? Has a dev already commented on this previously? Link to what they had to say?


There is nothing to cry about.
practice what you preach bruddah, or dont preach at all

[stormlord]

One thing that shocked me when first visiting these forums and going to the EC tunnel section, was seeing player characters and accounts up for sale and trade. I'm talking about for in game curency, or swaping accounts here, I know RMT is not allowed already.

I think this is a net negative to the community. It allows:

-people with bad reputation to sell or trade for another account, or even just claim to be a "new owner" with a good/new reputation.

-hurts the low and mid level grouping game, as people who want certain alts just buy them instead of rolling a new toon and grouping up through the levels. This hurts new players even more because instead of grouping with the vets and their twinks leveling up, those vets are just jumping on other peoples leveled characters

-goes against the classic spirit of the game, where someones account was for them to play on only and could not legally be transfered, sold, etc to another owner

-people will burn out or lose interest in the server faster if they are just buying level 60 toons to toy with instead of leveling up their own alts. They will also have ALOT less attachment to characters they buy, then ones they create/name/level themselves. I.E. its bad for the player buying new accounts and toons, too.

I'm sure there are other reasons why its just a bad idea and I suggest putting an end to it. Its just not in the spirit of old school MMOing at all.
That's a free market for you.

Rainbows and butterflies.

Are you thinking of running for governor or congressman so you can ban account trading?

It's the government, I swear. Always wanting to tell us what to do.

But seriously (or not), the "WTB bard account, PST!" is annoying, especially in /auction.

[knottyb0y]

Character Sells for plat on the official server forums and in EC are not classic. These should not be allowed.

Will that stop the trade? Absolutely not, but it would force people who want to trade accounts for plat etc to go through other channels rather than blatantly in the face of the server. This I think is the real issue with account selling.

You could argue that forcing accounts for plat/trading out of the public eye would encourage RMT (due to any forum outside of the project1999 forum that is in part dedicated to character trades and sells will not have the official staff support).

I personally understand that account trading/selling will happen but I've always appreciated that it was done in a more "black market" style where I could more easily ignore it. This problem is compounded by the fact that eqemu accounts do not cost any money to create or upkeep, which is only balanced by the lack of players on eqemu or this issue would be much more rampant.

It would be nice if this behavior was publicly discouraged, though I wouldn't invest much if any effort in enforcement. Just less ec auctions for characters and forum posts for the same would no suck. I don't care that people trade/sell accounts but I do wish it wasn't directly in my face, or such a publicly accepted practice.

[Diggles]

So, the only reason you want it gone is because you can't plug your ears and yell LALALALALALALALALA IT DOESN'T EXIST LALALALALALALALALA.

Great.

[knottyb0y]

So, the only reason you want it gone is because you can't plug your ears and yell LALALALALALALALALA IT DOESN'T EXIST LALALALALALALALALA.

Great.

You are right!

Is it so annoying and prevalent that it can't be ignore.. no

Is the presence of character auctions going to dissuade new players? Considering the hassle it takes to get titanium and setup for an eqemu, players who are gonna play here are gonna play here.

Would the overhead of banning/suspending players for the actions that they are gonna do anyway be too much work? Yes

Would I like it to be different and public trades not endorsed by the site? Certainly.

[Roanoke]

Oh my, all these people claiming that account sales and trading is "not classic" must have been playing a different game than I did in 99-2000.

I probably stated this before, there has never, EVER, been a point in EQ history where you couldn't purchase another persons account for platinum (or RMT but that isn't the subject here). Just because they weren't running around Gfay shouting it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It can't be stopped. Can. Not. Be. Stopped.

It doesn't matter how many ways you go about it, if people want to trade and sell their accounts for plat, they will. End of story.

What happens if you make it illegal? Sales now become more weighted for RMT rather than plat, as people will go outside of the direct P99 community where they will be more tempted by people paying cash rather than in game currency--there will be literally no way to enforce it.

[Tuffpuppy]

My only fear in buying or trading for an account is that the person used illegal programs while on that account, and is looking to get something out of their account that is about to be banned.

[EnnoiaII]

No, because you just have to do the journy once, and then you trade your guy for another 60, do that X how ever many classes you want to tinker with at 60 and then quit.

Same deal if you are useing plat, just need the inital pile of money that you then push around as you buy/sell your way though the classes.

I've leveled over a bunch of characters on EverQuest, WoW and other games. As someone who's seen just about everything there is to see while leveling up, and thereafter, I get more burnt out having to do it all over again than jumping right into endgame. If you're someone who enjoys putting in countless hours leveling up multiple characters...good for you. I, for one, got sick of it, and it made playing the game feel more like a chore than fun.

[Daldaen]

Argument is it isn't that classic to see them being auctioned in open forums and such. Other arguments can be raised such as it is an easy way to wipe your reputation clean which is generally bad.

If the game feels like a chore, then don't play it? I can't imagine you only find enjoyment playing games at the max level...

[Snaggles]

Remember on live when you had every person organized in a single forum for EC commerce and exchange of ideas?

Me either.

Project 1999 is an attempt at recreating an experience from over a decade ago. A world that was fun and coherent before Sony got greedy and started urinating in it's own swimming pool.

It's not a DeLorean that runs on plutonium.

[WizardEQ]

Remember on live when you had every person organized in a single forum for EC commerce and exchange of ideas?

Me either.

Project 1999 is an attempt at recreating an experience from over a decade ago. A world that was fun and coherent before Sony got greedy and started urinating in it's own swimming pool.

It's not a DeLorean that runs on plutonium.

No, it's a DeLorean that runs on banana peels and garbage.

[Snaggles]

No, it's a DeLorean that runs on banana peels and garbage.

Ahh future tech. I like it :).

As long as it's not a damn flying train I'm happy.

[Tarathiel]

i think buying characters either RMT or for plat is retarded, i would never do it. but i also understand that people are going to do it, and its not really my place to question them. so i dont let it bother me. although i have had a few occasions of running into a particularly high lvl character who is naked except for planar gear and who has no idea how to play their class. i just mark those people down as obviously purchased characters and make it a point not to group with them anymore. problem solved

tl;dr
mind your own damn business