This server needs Uthgaard back.

[Versus]

Sign here.

Hell, I'll donate to get some actual server moderation going on on this server.

[XgrimX]

Petition to get Uthgaard back/ Signed

[piggvomit]

Signed~~~~

[hotstud]

Uthgaard needs to come back as a dev and not interact with players at all outside of GM events.

[M.Bison]

Uthgaard needs to come back as a dev and not interact with players at all outside of GM events.

[Lazortag]

Nilbog, rogean et al are great, but the server is really understaffed atm.

[Samuel]

Nilbog, rogean et al are great, but the server is really understaffed atm.

Agreed.

Need someone to enforce raid rules please.

[Dr4z3r]

Uthgaard needs to come back as a dev and not interact with players at all outside of GM events.

The other way around would be better for the server.

[Palemoon]

I want to see Uthgaard as a dev AND the head GM of the red server. We need someone ruthless watching over that pack.

[baub]

I want to see Uthgaard as a dev AND the head GM of the red server. We need someone ruthless watching over that pack.

[M.Bison]

I thought the point of red was there would be no one watching.

[Lovely]

I just want someone to work on the red server so we can get it up in the near future. GM's are aware of all the beta bugs but nothing is really happening.

[M.Bison]

Just because you perceive nothing is happening doesnt mean issues arent being addressed. beta's take time, this one has been up for how long now? 2weeks?

[Nizzarr]

Need a gm to take care of raiding again on p1999 or shits gonna hit the fan.

[M.Bison]

Need a gm to take care of raiding again on p1999 or shits gonna hit the fan.

lol k there raren, take it easy. no need for threats here =D

[Eccezan]

If a FFA atmosphere when it comes to raiding is what this server is moving to, TMO wouldn't have an issue with that as long as it is openly called what it is. Where the problem lays is when when one guild trys its best to play by the rules, trying to legitimately FTE and pull mobs while the other guild is blatantly KS'ing mobs. (Today's Severilous for example) It doesn't help that there is a recent history of raid related petitions going unanswered, or guide's answering, but not having the tools to properly address the petition. (Lack of access to proper logs, etc.) Suffice to say, It isn't out of the question that the server staff has just had it with the same stuff day in and day out. I can't say that I blame them for that.
But if a FFA atmopshere is what the server has turned into, at the very least acknowledge it as so.

TL;DR: If raid rules aren't being properly policed, acknowledge the server has moved to FFA for all encounters.

[mitic]

uthtaard definitely needs to get back, as long he stays on blue99

[Autotune]

someone post the kiting fraps already.

[Softcore PK]

I want to see Uthgaard as a dev AND the head GM of the red server. We need someone ruthless watching over that pack.

This.

[relapsee69]

Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is now against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership.

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5846/tmosux.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/tmosux.jpg/)

explain how you get "lost" on a pull you have done numerous times b4.

L2play

[Bossco]

EDIT: Yeah, actually in retrospect, both guilds were in the wrong. I don't want to be in this conversation any longer.

[Shiftin]

If a FFA atmosphere when it comes to raiding is what this server is moving to, TMO wouldn't have an issue with that as long as it is openly called what it is. Where the problem lays is when when one guild trys its best to play by the rules, trying to legitimately FTE and pull mobs while the other guild is blatantly KS'ing mobs. (Today's Severilous for example) It doesn't help that there is a recent history of raid related petitions going unanswered, or guide's answering, but not having the tools to properly address the petition. (Lack of access to proper logs, etc.) Suffice to say, It isn't out of the question that the server staff has just had it with the same stuff day in and day out. I can't say that I blame them for that.
But if a FFA atmopshere is what the server has turned into, at the very least acknowledge it as so.

TL;DR: If raid rules aren't being properly policed, acknowledge the server has moved to FFA for all encounters.

Quoted for irony

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/2112800-post3055.html

In case you forgot. It was only 2 months ago. Was the movie memento based off your life?

Your puller admitted to running the wrong way. EJ is not skyfire. Nothing is going to aggro you if you run straight from sev to TT. If you have a puller that is so new to EQ or grossly incompetent* that he has to use a wall to find his way around an 11 year old zone, you still used the wall that runs you the farthest possible route rather than the west wall to south wall option and STILL GOT LOST.

Sack up, admit your puller fucked up, and move on. Creating multiple threads all over the boards does nothing to prove that we can handle VP.

[Trystych]

TR tagged this mob almost 7 minutes after it was first agro by Drolgurd when neither Drolgurd nor Sev were anywhere near the TMO camp. Had this mob been pulled to your camp instead of taken on a magical mystery tour of EJ we would not have touched it. No issues at all with camping your raid in a location of the zone as far from the target as possible to buy more time for people to log either; but come on, pull it to your camp instead of screwing around.

Sorry for the picture looking like RnF material, saved me the time of mspaint.

http://i53.tinypic.com/nydaol.jpg
http://oi54.tinypic.com/ztt0z8.jpg

[Nizzarr]

What is this shit? yea sorry drolgurd doesnt use showeq, he gets to the lake then goes straight south because thats how he remembers how to get to TT zoneline.

We had 40 on for your 20, you think we'd kite it? What about you guys running circle with talendor last time? I guess that wasnt kiting eh?

And whats up with you guys trying to regulate? Whats happened with waiting for GM interventions for issues like this? you took the matter into your own hands for a mistep that took maybe 30 second away from the pull and labeled it as kiting.

Thats far more of a problem than the actual "kiting".

You guys are a plague. Cheating scumbags. Hope VP stays closed until you guys disband.

[Shiftin]

And whats up with you guys trying to regulate? Whats happened with waiting for GM interventions for issues like this?

We have 2 month old raid related petitions which have not received a response, despite constant bumps. You truly cannot be serious.

[Autotune]

it's a FFA from here on out. Let the crap tossin begin! WOOT!


Hope you guys brought your running shoes.

[Sold]

What is this shit? yea sorry drolgurd doesnt use showeq, he gets to the lake then goes straight south because thats how he remembers how to get to TT zoneline.

We had 40 on for your 20, you think we'd kite it? What about you guys running circle with talendor last time? I guess that wasnt kiting eh?

And whats up with you guys trying to regulate? Whats happened with waiting for GM interventions for issues like this? you took the matter into your own hands for a mistep that took maybe 30 second away from the pull and labeled it as kiting.

Thats far more of a problem than the actual "kiting".

You guys are a plague. Cheating scumbags. Hope VP stays closed until you guys disband.

Mad brew?

[Anger]

Nah, we need him more over at Rebirth.

[Bossco]

EDIT: Yeah, actually in retrospect, both guilds were in the wrong. I don't want to be in this conversation any longer.

[HowWeRoll]

This is what I was talking about above. Stop with the propaganda. Don't get mad (brew), fight dirty.

Exactly!

[VorsikTZ]

We had 40+ in zone within a min of spawn. You know damn well that wasn't a kite. Weak excuse to blatantly KS.

[Eccezan]

in before rants and flames. Basically what TR is trying to say here is because they think that you are trying to kite a mob, and because they can draw funny pictures in paint, they have the right to take the law into their own hands and do as they please. Whether it means to blatantly kill steal a raid mob, or break any other number of server rules. IE. Kite talendor around in circles or even kite dracolich around for several minutes (happened a few weeks ago, fraps have been withheld from public due to pending month old petition)

The best part is watching Perun (known cheater and SEQ user) complain in OOC about rule breaking as they kill steal. This is P99.

[XgrimX]

Perun has a game genie.

Stop cheating sir. Why play a character that has the worst reputation on the server for being a cheat.

[Francois]

What is this shit? yea sorry drolgurd doesnt use showeq, he gets to the lake then goes straight south because thats how he remembers how to get to TT zoneline.

Who cares if he remembers it that way, it's not the way to get to TT. Look at the real map and notice that it's almost directly south. He made a mistake, move on.

http://i56.tinypic.com/iv9t11.png

And maybe don't throw your guildies under the bus next time.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2ic322a.png

[Diggles]

Franswa, I approve of the Star Wars font.

[Dr4z3r]

Franswa, what part of all that makes it OK for you to jack the pull, exactly?

[Francois]

Franswa, what part of all that makes it OK for you to jack the pull, exactly?

Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is now against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership.

^
That part. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. Also, I too dig my Star Wars font.

[Bossco]

EDIT: Yeah, actually in retrospect, both guilds were in the wrong. I don't want to be in this conversation any longer.

[Eccezan]

Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is now against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership. If a member of Transatlantic Rampage believes this is happening, they can kill steal the pull from the other guild. No further evidence is necessary.

^
That part. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. Also, I too dig my Star Wars font.

fixed

[Shiftin]

I have no idea how adding 8,000 Loc feet to a pull (from 1k pos, to -3k neg, back to 1k pos) can be construed as anything other than stalling. That's like running through west karana voluntarily. There is no tactical reason to go that route. Nothing will social or prox aggro a level 60. This isn't skyfire. Bring the dragon to your raid or don't pull it.

[Harrison]

Hey guys, remember when Durison(Guild leader of the worst guild on the server) trained a guild on video and didn't get punished for it?

It's okay. You don't need to remember it. It's on video.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XA9-0EQCbPs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Softcore PK]

You guys are on a blue server. Aren't you supposed to come up with a rotation schedule? I thought that's how it always worked? :/

[William_Munny15]

What can be concluded from this thread thus far is Bossco and Sold are both retards for using the natural toddler response of you mad, Trystych trys so hard to keep his name relevent, even though we all just laugh when he makes a post, and quite possibly, you all care just a bit too much, go outside and get some fresh air.

[burkemi5]

real conclusive evidence there harrison.

[Diggles]

LEAVE IT DIRTY

[chief]

Just because the pullers doesnt use the exact route you would use, does not mean hes kiting. I usually stay out of stuff like this but saying we were stalling with 40 people in zone is not an argument. Heck if drol runs directly south like you suggest Sev will run past TR camp and get taken anyways. I don't know about you guys but I would like to see VP before the end of the year and shit like this just isn't giving me hope. Sometimes people(of both guilds) need to realize when they lose a race to a mob,that they lost it, pray for the other guild to wipe.

[Dr4z3r]

Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is now against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership.

^
That part. I don't see why this is so hard to understand. Also, I too dig my Star Wars font.

I still don't see anything saying it's okay to jack the pull. What you quoted doesn't include a single word that could be construed as allowing you to interfere, whether or not you think something shady is going on.

This whole "we got trained once so that makes it OK to hijack a pull" attitude is the height of childishness. Is Xzerion's call to TR to take the high-road really that dead & gone?

[Juugox2]

lol this is what makes eq fun hearing stuff like this

[Francois]

This whole "we got trained once so that makes it OK to hijack a pull" attitude is the height of childishness.

Ignore Harrison, no one is talking about that except him.

[Dr4z3r]

Ignore Harrison, no one is talking about that except him.

So you concede that there's no server rule allowing you to interfere with the pull?

[Eccezan]

Excuse me people in TR. Objectively, could someone answer whether they see any issue with purposefully breaking the rules because of perceived breaking of the rules by another guild? Instead of allowing the GM's and guides to do what they volunteered to do.

Do you not see that this issue here? Do you not see where we are going to end up if every time a guild thinks another guild is breaking a rule, they take the law into their own hands and kill steal like you did today?

A few weeks ago TR kited dracolich around for several minutes before engaging while TMO was ready and able to engage. There was even a strong chance that we got FTE on that encounter as well. Sure we could have probably KS'd you there and by your apparent understanding, I guess we would have been in the right and should have done that. TMO leadership at that time chose to back off and call a camp out, given the knowledge that EVEN though you chose to break the rules, we aren't a guild that takes the law into our own hands as it is against the play nice policy. Hey, we know when we are beat.


We mobilized for Dracoliche and we were racing TR for him. Both guilds were going for the pull; TMO was ready with 30+ and TR had under 10 people in the zone.

It's approximately 4 minutes of TR members kiting dracoliche around before pulling him to west wall.

To save you time - Dracoliche appears on this Fraps just before 1:30 although he was aggro before this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6VmGPqh3C4&feature=youtube_gdata

Around 4:05 is when Zeelot called a non-engage and to camp out to avoid a KS fest with TR. It is our understanding that due to the PNP this is the way GM's would like us to act on the server, not to take the matter in our hands and turn every engage into a KS battle because of perceived rule breaking. Any thoughtful answers are welcomed.

[Francois]

So you concede that there's no server rule allowing you to interfere with the pull?

Ignore Harrison = that?
:confused:

[Dr4z3r]

Ignore Harrison = that?
:confused:

Please read whole post: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=435826&postcount=47

Then, tell me what server rule makes it OK for you to jack a pull, regardless of what else is happening.

[Harrison]

"We were breaking a server rule knowingly. Then you jacked our pull because the rule we were breaking was directly hindering your ability to kill it, we're fucking mad bro."

[burkemi5]

TR have dirty players. accept it.

[M.Bison]

TR have dirty players. accept it.

Compelling argument

[Shiftin]

The answer is that a mob that is being kited is not engaged. A mob that is being taken 8,000+ feet out of the way completely unnecessarily (ignoring that drolgurd STILL got lost) is being kited, regardless of what you claim your intent is.

[Autotune]

Who cares if he remembers it that way, it's not the way to get to TT. Look at the real map and notice that it's almost directly south. He made a mistake, move on.

http://i56.tinypic.com/iv9t11.png

And maybe don't throw your guildies under the bus next time.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2ic322a.png

Sev spawn is wrong.

[Francois]

Feel free to correct. I know it's somewhere close to that. But it's definitely not east of that spot, and if you say it's to the southwest that means he kited it even further.

[burkemi5]

Excuse me people in TR. Objectively, could someone answer whether they see any issue with purposefully breaking the rules because of perceived breaking of the rules by another guild? Instead of allowing the GM's and guides to do what they volunteered to do.

Do you not see that this issue here? Do you not see where we are going to end up if every time a guild thinks another guild is breaking a rule, they take the law into their own hands and kill steal like you did today?

A few weeks ago TR kited dracolich around for several minutes before engaging while TMO was ready and able to engage. There was even a strong chance that we got FTE on that encounter as well. Sure we could have probably KS'd you there and by your apparent understanding, I guess we would have been in the right and should have done that. TMO leadership at that time chose to back off and call a camp out, given the knowledge that EVEN though you chose to break the rules, we aren't a guild that takes the law into our own hands as it is against the play nice policy. Hey, we know when we are beat.


We mobilized for Dracoliche and we were racing TR for him. Both guilds were going for the pull; TMO was ready with 30+ and TR had under 10 people in the zone.

It's approximately 4 minutes of TR members kiting dracoliche around before pulling him to west wall.

To save you time - Dracoliche appears on this Fraps just before 1:30 although he was aggro before this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6VmGPqh3C4&feature=youtube_gdata

Around 4:05 is when Zeelot called a non-engage and to camp out to avoid a KS fest with TR. It is our understanding that due to the PNP this is the way GM's would like us to act on the server, not to take the matter in our hands and turn every engage into a KS battle because of perceived rule breaking. Any thoughtful answers are welcomed.


this is a pretty good argument why TR is full of dirty players. also, officers using showEQ, etc etc etc

[Dr4z3r]

The answer is that a mob that is being kited is not engaged. A mob that is being taken 8,000+ feet out of the way completely unnecessarily (ignoring that drolgurd STILL got lost) is being kited, regardless of what you claim your intent is.

Q: What classifies a mob as "Engaged"?
A: A mob is classified as engaged as long as it has aggro on at least one player.

Check it: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14667

[Francois]

this is a pretty good argument why TR is full of dirty players. also, officers using showEQ, etc etc etc

http://1-2knockout.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5505fc4968834010536e09336970b-800wi

[ivosik]

TR tagged this mob almost 7 minutes after it was first agro by Drolgurd when neither Drolgurd nor Sev were anywhere near the TMO camp. Had this mob been pulled to your camp instead of taken on a magical mystery tour of EJ we would not have touched it. No issues at all with camping your raid in a location of the zone as far from the target as possible to buy more time for people to log either; but come on, pull it to your camp instead of screwing around.

Sorry for the picture looking like RnF material, saved me the time of mspaint.

http://i53.tinypic.com/nydaol.jpg
http://oi54.tinypic.com/ztt0z8.jpg

must be a map that perun made, heck it even has drolguards exact pathing, amazing how perun does that being fd at TR camp, crazy clip plane!

[Autotune]

Feel free to correct. I know it's somewhere close to that. But it's definitely not east of that spot, and if you say it's to the southwest that means he kited it even further.

from everything i've heard/seen/read whatever. This all happened like this. (without any times added to it)

[Autotune]

my paint skills are infallible... you can't deny this man.

[Kassel]

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[Versus]

WTB thread back on topic. We need some fucking moderation~

Edit: Just noticed my signature .gif was resized, thank you much <3

[Youmad?]

Okay, so behind all the bullshit, this is what is really happening:

TMO kited the mob while they got ready so TR couldn't pull it. TR, knowing that the GM's are not enforcing the raid rules, took the law into their own hands and took the dragon off of the TMO puller. Both actions were against server rules.

If the raid rules were being enforced, TR could have petitioned, and the mob would have been theirs. They are not being enforced. This left them in the position of either rolling over when TMO broke the rules, or breaking the rules themselves.

Next time, the roles will probably be reversed. Will TMO let TR kite the dragon until they are ready to engage? Maybe, but my guess is no. Either way, the raid rules will have been broken. Guys, stop with the pretense. This server just went FFA, and it's going to stay that way until the GM's decide to enforce the rules.

[Dr4z3r]

What actually happened happened when the positions were reversed: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=435838&postcount=51

[Samuel]

http://1-2knockout.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5505fc4968834010536e09336970b-800wi

Reminding the public that several members/officers in TR were suspended for cheating and are now back in your guild only sounds like a broken record to the guilty.

To the rest of us, it is still a significant event.

[Autotune]

Okay, so behind all the bullshit, this is what is really happening:

TMO kited the mob while they got ready so TR couldn't pull it. TR, knowing that the GM's are not enforcing the raid rules, took the law into their own hands and took the dragon off of the TMO puller. Both actions were against server rules.

If the raid rules were being enforced, TR could have petitioned, and the mob would have been theirs. They are not being enforced. This left them in the position of either rolling over when TMO broke the rules, or breaking the rules themselves.

Next time, the roles will probably be reversed. Will TMO let TR kite the dragon until they are ready to engage? Maybe, but my guess is no. Either way, the raid rules will have been broken. Guys, stop with the pretense. This server just went FFA, and it's going to stay that way until the GM's decide to enforce the rules.

TMO rolled over once, i doubt it will happen again.


WTB GUILD WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quido]

Nice art. Most people don't consider how slow Sev runs. Sev never sows himself and runs slow as hell. So even if your puller does swing out a little way for whatever reason, the distance it adds to that dragon's incoming pull path is marginal, short of extended and blatant kiting of course.

[HowWeRoll]

Okay, so behind all the bullshit, this is what is really happening:

TR Decised that TMO is kiting the mob while they got ready, even though TMO had twice the number that TR had in zone. TR, knowing that the GM's are not enforcing the raid rules, took the law into their own hands and took the dragon off of the TMO puller. TR's actions were against server rules.

If the raid rules were being enforced, TR could have petitioned, and the GM would have told them to mind their own business. They are not being enforced. This gave TR the opportunity to break the rules, consequence-free.

Last time, when the roles were reversed TMO let TR kite the dragon until they were ready to engage. Either way, only TR broke the raid rules. Guys, stop with the pretense. This server just went FFA, and it's going to stay that way until the GM's decide to enforce the rules.

Changed the important parts for you.

[Swarws]

from everything i've heard/seen/read whatever. This all happened like this. (without any times added to it)

The pull path may be correct. I was not out in the field. What I do know is that it was just about 7 minutes from the time drolgurd tagged the mob til he (Drolgurd) was in TMO's camp at TT zoneline.

I also know it takes just about 1 minute and 30 seconds to go from the sev spawn spot to the TT zone line (With a low level drum).

We are missing a good 5 minutes?

EJ and Skyfire a bit a different in the fact that Skyfire you get a masssssive train when pulling Talendor so you need to be carefull not to run into chromos and to get the pull done correctly without training the raid. But in EJ there is no agro and no train. just a straight pull no fuss.

In the zone where u have massive train of dispelling mobs. In skyfire, on Talendor, an acceptable pull time is in the area of 2-3 minutes. In EJ (Same size zone) Would be roughly the same, if not less due to the fact mentioned above about the train/mobs.

[Francois]

Reminding the public that several members/officers in TR were suspended for cheating and are now back in your guild only sounds like a broken record to the guilty.

To the rest of us, it is still a significant event.

I don't care that he wants to say that. Saying it more than once per thread gets tiresome tho.

[Eccezan]

The pull path may be correct. I was not out in the field. What I do know is that it was just about 7 minutes from the time drolgurd tagged the mob til he (Drolgurd) was in TMO's camp at TT zoneline.

I also know it takes just about 1 minute and 30 seconds to go from the sev spawn spot to the TT zone line (With a low level drum).

We are missing a good 5 minutes?

EJ and Skyfire a bit a different in the fact that Skyfire you get a masssssive train when pulling Talendor so you need to be carefull not to run into chromos and to get the pull done correctly without training the raid. But in EJ there is no agro and no train. just a straight pull no fuss.

In the zone where u have massive train of dispelling mobs. In skyfire, on Talendor, an acceptable pull time is in the area of 2-3 minutes. In EJ (Same size zone) Would be roughly the same, if not less due to the fact mentioned above about the train/mobs.

What kind of terrible puller would tag a mob and run full speed to camp with the KS'ing and aggro stealing that TR has shown to do in the past, as well as currently? I think its pretty safe to say that with Sev's run speed being so slow, as a puller you would want to ensure that the dragon isnt being stolen by one of TR's KS pullers (McBard, Franswa) and not just assume the dragon is going to remain aggroed to you. By default this would extend the time to much longer than running with bard speed from 1 spot in a zone to another. I think we are all in agreeance that TR thought that a mob was kited and decided to take it upon themselves to KS a mob that they didnt have FTE on. Not sure what else there is to argue here.

[Samuel]

The pull path may be correct. I was not out in the field. What I do know is that it was just about 7 minutes from the time drolgurd tagged the mob til he (Drolgurd) was in TMO's camp at TT zoneline.

You're exaggerating. Have proof that he took 7 minutes?

[Autotune]

The pull path may be correct. I was not out in the field. What I do know is that it was just about 7 minutes from the time drolgurd tagged the mob til he (Drolgurd) was in TMO's camp at TT zoneline.

I also know it takes just about 1 minute and 30 seconds to go from the sev spawn spot to the TT zone line (With a low level drum).

We are missing a good 5 minutes?

EJ and Skyfire a bit a different in the fact that Skyfire you get a masssssive train when pulling Talendor so you need to be carefull not to run into chromos and to get the pull done correctly without training the raid. But in EJ there is no agro and no train. just a straight pull no fuss.

In the zone where u have massive train of dispelling mobs. In skyfire, on Talendor, an acceptable pull time is in the area of 2-3 minutes. In EJ (Same size zone) Would be roughly the same, if not less due to the fact mentioned above about the train/mobs.

I haven't seen the fraps. If I had, i could comment more. I'm just going off what i've seen said and the little i gathered on vent before i turned it off.

I woke up to the sev pop, turned my phone off, logged in and switched to our raid channel in vent. They were talkin about how many clerics we didn't have. I hit character screen and entered on stealin. I was in-game put up LFG, soon as i got my group i heard we had 2 clerics and they called the pull. Heard Drol say it was getting pulled then. 2mins later Sev's pet was in camp (usually arrives slightly ahead of Sev) and then we found that you guys pulled him off right before he was to end up in our camp.


You can call TMO shady and they were blatantly kiting if you want, but from what i've heard of this, it's not near as bad as the kite i watched on Draco awhile back and instead of us pulling what you guys did, we just camped out and said "fuck it".

A fraps (edit: Of Sev) would show (the kiting), but no one has shown a fraps. From my eyes I don't see him kiting it unless he pulled it before people on vent said to pull him. If it was 5-6mins of kiting, why wait till the last min? after 3mins you guys should have called kiting in /ooc and pulled him off. Instead, no one from TR said anything and pulled him right before he got close to TMO.


I'd be the first to say otherwise with proof (fraps), but until then, i can only go off what I experienced.

P.S. not posting seriously on this until further evidence.

[Francois]

one of TR's KS pullers (McBard, Franswa)

I've never KSed anyone. Please give me an example of when you think I did this.

[Zigfreed]

I completely agree. Fix your squabbles please. From my very incomplete knowledge of happenings it looks like you guys dug yourself a lose-lose situation.

[Zigfreed]

My comment makes more sense when it looks directed at the OP's intent.
After reading how fast you dorks derailed this into finger pointing/painting bs I have no clue why it is that all of your Raid kills don't magically have no loot or why they bother keeping this server open at all.

Stop shitting in your own nest you idiots.

[Palemoon]

They should make all targets a DPS race and be done with it.

[formallydickman]

I like the family in ashes, tragedy, please help us thread better.

[ivosik]

FRAPS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN

[Connador]

FRAPS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN

Incorporating a meme into what you're trying to say makes you sound like you have no voice of your own.

[Ektar]

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/Postorofpictures/pee_wee_herman.jpg

[Joessins]

So, I actually took the time to read these ridicules about me. And this is from my EX Guild that I was part of through a break up, and reform, and 2 merges during 2 name changes. A guild that I have had the utmost respect for from when I first started over a year and a half ago on this server. Let me just clarify exactly what happened from my point of view and see what else you have to say other then that.

So I am being told by Vorsik that he is back from getting a probe that casts the eye. a few minutes later I see multiple times in guild Sev spawn and I start tracking. Vorsik grabs aggro and FDs Sev with no one around him and as I am coming over the hill where Sev was, I am immediatly feared and running in an opposite direction with Sev running at me. Luckily the fear breaks and I managed to get selos on. With Sev on me, I leaped off the cliff to the east praying not to take 32k dmg. I land safely and start my path towards the wall following it to the TT zone. This is the only direction I knew to go to get to the TT zone.

Immediatly I get a tell form Mcbard, then Getsome, then Franswa all of which I tell the same thing to "I am following the wall and pulling to the TT zone". As I approach the lake,I hear people in my vent saying TR is near sev, I immediatly stop and turn around in the middle of the lake and start tracking till I see sev on my list to confirm he is still on me. So I see him on my track and continue pulling down the wall. I asked a guildmate to give me the Loc of the TT zone to assure I had not over shot them. He gives me loc which I then notice I am only seconds away and as I go foward I see my camp. As I arrive, Sevs pet comes within 30seconds of my arrival. No dragon, and my guild starts saying he is in TR camp and tells me get low hp, so I get low hp from a rog dueling me and immedatly i hear on vent sev is coming back for us, as sev is engaged he drops 3% and I am summonded immediatly and of course cause I am at 18% I was killed, showing I still had my original FTE aggro.

Now, and I'm talking directly to TR here, you all have NO reason to suspect me of doing ANYTHING against the rules on this server and have no business accusing me of anything more then what I have wrote above. I have no clue what I ever did to any one of you to deserve this type of calling out, especially being called a moron......

[Amirite]

man, this thread started out to try to get uthgaaurd back, and bam, you guys are like herpies with your petty bullshit and it went to TMO vs TR,

how is that going to bring him back??
it just helped NOT get him back due to shit like this.

and you guys crying for a mob, who the fuck pulls sev? you goto him and fucking kill it.

FIRST TO THE MOB, KILLS THE MOB, NOT "ok girls, lets set up in this cozy spot here under this tree and we'll have our teamspirit shirts on when our puller remembers to look at a compass and find the S, and we wont have to worry becouse we totally can claim a mob from the other side of a zone.."

then rage petition for losing a WR bag and some other crap loot that will just get sold off to fund buying more accounts..

[Ektar]

the thought that the original post was not stemmed from this incident is kind of a stretch. This thread was meant to sprout herpies.

so again

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/Postorofpictures/pee_wee_herman.jpg

[Ceros]

I think members of raiding guild should start paying $10/month to play P99, because no competent and qualified individual is going to want to babysit these guilds for free.

From this point of view, it's pretty easy to see why game developers overwhelmingly prefer instanced raid zones.

[Awwalike]

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5846/tmosux.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/tmosux.jpg/)

explain how you get "lost" on a pull you have done numerous times b4.

L2play

L2crop.
bring back Uthgaard, he's a nice gent.

[Nebi]

btw it wasnt our guild talking shit about you... it was yours.

[Doors]

This server needs more pie.

Mmm pie.

[Diggles]

that would be true in the equation where 0 + pie = pie

pie = uthgaard

[bizzum]

The pull path may be correct. I was not out in the field. What I do know is that it was just about 7 minutes from the time drolgurd tagged the mob til he (Drolgurd) was in TMO's camp at TT zoneline.

I also know it takes just about 1 minute and 30 seconds to go from the sev spawn spot to the TT zone line (With a low level drum).

We are missing a good 5 minutes?


Hey buddy, Sev doesn't get Selo's Song of Travel when you tag a mob, you have to be grouped with a PC. As mentioned before Sev runs at non-sow speed if he doesnt have a chance to cast it (and with a quick pull he didn't, we all saw him dragging ass between our camps), and if you take a look at the map drawn, and run that path without your speed enhancement, you will surely only end up with a spare 45 seconds, 1 minute tops, which means the mob managed to circle.

I do agree with Bossco in the long run though.

I've never KSed anyone. Please give me an example of when you think I did this.

Agreed, but this also makes me surprised that you would tag the mob in the first place without a little more conversation/investigation. It is a quick deal though, doesn't leave much time for it.

[Francois]

btw it wasnt our guild talking shit about you... it was yours.

This ^.

I've never thought you were stupid Drol. I've found you to be good at your class, intelligent, and always polite. This is why I don't believe your story about getting lost for 7 minutes. I don't believe that you're so bad that you need to run the longest possible route along the outside of the zone to find a zone line. Especially considering you've done this pull before, you have a compass, you have locs, and you have a map.

[Diggles]

perun brand maps

a little seq in each border line!

[Joessins]

First off, I never said I was lost in vent, because I was following the zone wall to TT like I had said to you in tells, which was either before or after my guildi said anything to your guildi. Second off, haveing a compass doesn't help when u don't know which direction your suppose to be headed and I do not have a map or keep one on me, I know how to get to TT by following that wall. Third, this was my first time pulling sev to TT, the last time I pulled sev was when i was in TR and was pulling to FoB because one of our bards died pulling sev himself. So once again, I am being accused, when you know very well Frans that I did no sort of kiting. Next time while your videoing me doing something, remember who you are watching, you know I would never do anything against P99 rules to jepordize my account, because now you all are technically facing a dragon KS which I believe has its own consequences. And I hope some justice does come out of this.

[Trystych]

A few weeks ago TR kited dracolich around for several minutes before engaging while TMO was ready and able to engage. There was even a strong chance that we got FTE on that encounter as well. Sure we could have probably KS'd you there and by your apparent understanding, I guess we would have been in the right and should have done that. TMO leadership at that time chose to back off and call a camp out, given the knowledge that EVEN though you chose to break the rules, we aren't a guild that takes the law into our own hands as it is against the play nice policy. Hey, we know when we are beat.


We mobilized for Dracoliche and we were racing TR for him. Both guilds were going for the pull; TMO was ready with 30+ and TR had under 10 people in the zone.

It's approximately 4 minutes of TR members kiting dracoliche around before pulling him to west wall.

To save you time - Dracoliche appears on this Fraps just before 1:30 although he was aggro before this time.


At 0:00 of the fraps no TR are in zone yet all these mobs are being kited, the fraps is unclear as to when draco gets added to this kite. This explanation was given by VD, whom we were not raiding with and did have someone in zone at that time:

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[h0tr0d (shaere)]

No maps is how. Easy answer OP. Next.

[Awwalike]

No maps is how. Easy answer OP. Next.

I tried to make sense of this, but I failed.

[ivosik]

so TR claims TMO is kiting with a raid force of 40 something in zone, TR steals pull, kills sev. Rogean should release VP and when shit like this happens again just suspend that guild from entering vp for 2weeks, that'll help solve this qqfest. OH AND FRAPS OF KITING/KSing OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN

[Fazlazen]

At 0:00 of the fraps no TR are in zone yet all these mobs are being kited, the fraps is unclear as to when draco gets added to this kite. This explanation was given by VD, whom we were not raiding with and did have someone in zone at that time:


but OMG, who is the monk with the golden pants ?

[Rogean]

And you guys wonder why VP isn't released yet.