PvP Range

[Xareth]

Have you read my posts in this thread?

I can't remember persay, but I have read enough of your posts to righteously assume where you stand on this issue.


+10

Yeah that way a max rogue could backstab a naked lvl 40 cloth class for triple digits!










maybe

[Macken]

what's your point?

[Billbike]

PvP range needs to increase, not decrease.http://www.jacksofscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/91738211.jpg

[Kain]

4-5 sub 30. Let people get in to the groove a bit easier.

5 levels is a huge difference in lower lvl pvp.

l1ch- "you should just remove level restrictions really - Vanilla WoW PvP anyone?"

I recall when I first tried Live Pvp in classic, it involved me getting repeatedly spawn camped by a lvl 50 bard.
It didn't even make me mad, but I wondered if the bard was giggling irl while imagining me hitting the keyboard. Was kind of stupid.

[Glam]

+/-5 is even that high at lvl 50.

8 lvl is crazy, what can a lvl 42 do about a lvl 50 with spell 44 and 49/50 and he using lvl 39-40????

thats just EZmode kill

[Billbike]

+/-5 is even that high at lvl 50.

8 lvl is crazy, what can a lvl 42 do about a lvl 50 with spell 44 and 49/50 and he using lvl 39-40????

thats just EZmode killhttp://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Facepalm/godzilla-facepalm-godzilla-facepalm-face-palm-epic-fail-demotivational-poster-1245384435.jpg

Where do they come from?

Have you EVER played PVP enabled Everquest before?

Edit: I am elated to see players from the blue server and even other games showing interest in r99. I do worry about these foreign players imposing their inexperienced theory of how Everquest PvP mechanics should function on to r99.

It's like a bunch of virgins trying to direct a porno.

Anyone with real PvP experience knows we need atleast +-8 levels at max level.

[vinx]

+/-5 is even that high at lvl 50.

8 lvl is crazy, what can a lvl 42 do about a lvl 50 with spell 44 and 49/50 and he using lvl 39-40????

thats just EZmode kill
sure its tough from 40-50 prolly more so at the 40ish level
then it gets somewhat easier at 44+
but once you breach 50+ and start raiding well ya, your gonna want as much an open range as you possibly can,
so you an yours can accomplish things w/o immortals

1-20 can be tough or easy, low spells/resists/HP
20-40 = everything here is just for fun experience, and the reason some like the mid range pvp where for the most part,
things are somewhat balanced (gear and resists even on the occasional twink)
40-50 tough versus raid players, but worth it and needed at endgame

-/+ 8 levels really does solve more problems then a -/+5 in the endgame

[Tombom]

^^^ amen

[hilelorangutan]

Yeah I totally agree, I think a 8 level split is insane at any level in Everquest, in a more recent mmo its more feasible, but two whole spell levels apart is MASSIVE in EQ. Please go with something more like 4-5 +/-

[Tombom]

Yeah I totally agree, I think a 8 level split is insane at any level in Everquest, in a more recent mmo its more feasible, but two whole spell levels apart is MASSIVE in EQ. Please go with something more like 4-5 +/-

your vagina is showing

[Lovely]

Some of us actually enjoy trying to kill a 50 in their 40's. Personally I want the gap to be as big as possible for more PVP'z

[Nirgon]

Sounds like all the indoor zones that really matter are FFA anyways.

[hilelorangutan]

Some of us actually enjoy trying to kill a 50 in their 40's. Personally I want the gap to be as big as possible for more PVP'z

I know this is the opinion of some people here, I realize this is a pvp server, but realistically your odds of doing well in a 1v1 where you are 8 levels low is terrible. In the 40s it gets better, but to do a flat 8 +/- works more AGAINST those who aren't trying to be pvp gods and kill people 8 levels above them, and opens up the floor for griefers.

If you're going to have a 8 +/- at the very least delay that until the 40s, make the 1-40 a 4 +/-

[Sprinkle]

DANG 27 pages i wonder if anyone read this

who wants to spank my ass and call me a dirty gnome?

[tsaC]

I've made this point before but no one listens.

The pvp range is far too high. It should be 4 across the boards like RZ.

Main point: I don't want to waste my fucking time fighting a level 42, I want to be fighting and competing w/ ppl with similar gear levels spells abilities. Who fucking cares about a level 42 piece of shit. Congrats if someone logs in where I'm sitting low health and kills me, maybe that will happen one time in a million. What is going to happen is every level 50 is going to stomp the shit out of low 40s for no good reason other than they are higher level etc. No one listens, no one w/ common sense. People like Lovely will post about "lol i'z wantz more pvppz" but should people like that ever get to 50 (prob wont), they want ppl around who are a lot lower so they can actually get a kill and not stomped by everyone else.

[oldfish]

I've made this point before but no one listens.

The pvp range is far too high. It should be 4 across the boards like RZ.

Main point: I don't want to waste my fucking time fighting a level 42, I want to be fighting and competing w/ ppl with similar gear levels spells abilities. Who fucking cares about a level 42 piece of shit. Congrats if someone logs in where I'm sitting low health and kills me, maybe that will happen one time in a million. What is going to happen is every level 50 is going to stomp the shit out of low 40s for no good reason other than they are higher level etc. No one listens, no one w/ common sense. People like Lovely will post about "lol i'z wantz more pvppz" but should people like that ever get to 50 (prob wont), they want ppl around who are a lot lower so they can actually get a kill and not stomped by everyone else.

Add xp loss to that and were in for some epic tears. Good for a couple of months and some chuckles, as for server longevity...

[Billbike]

I've made this point before but no one listens.

The pvp range is far too high. It should be 4 across the boards like RZ.

Main point: I don't want to waste my fucking time fighting a level 42, I want to be fighting and competing w/ ppl with similar gear levels spells abilities. Who fucking cares about a level 42 piece of shit. Congrats if someone logs in where I'm sitting low health and kills me, maybe that will happen one time in a million. What is going to happen is every level 50 is going to stomp the shit out of low 40s for no good reason other than they are higher level etc. No one listens, no one w/ common sense. People like Lovely will post about "lol i'z wantz more pvppz" but should people like that ever get to 50 (prob wont), they want ppl around who are a lot lower so they can actually get a kill and not stomped by everyone else.

This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.

Just stay blue and keep your ignorant theory of PVP to yourself.

[Albane]

This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.

Just stay blue and keep your ignorant theory of PVP to yourself.

This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.


+/-4 is a good range to allow for competitive PvP. Anything higher than that just means higher level people can kill lower level people with no chance of losing.

If you are truly a PvP player and consider yourself red, then you know that all of the good PvP happens at level 50 and is against level 50 players. People who ask for no level range or a level range of 8+ are pussies who do not like competition.

[Vile]

+/-4 = win

[Billbike]

+/-4 = win

+/- 8 =



http://s11.allstarpics.net/images/orig/3/d/3d6cam6opo7q7o6.jpg

Anyone who wants +/- 4 levels at max level is wrong.


This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.


+/-4 is a good range to allow for competitive PvP. Anything higher than that just means higher level people can kill lower level people with no chance of losing.

If you are truly a PvP player and consider yourself red, then you know that all of the good PvP happens at level 50 and is against level 50 players. People who ask for no level range or a level range of 8+ are pussies who do not like competition.

LOL at me being a pussy for wanting MORE PVP. So when we are both 50 and I find you power leveling a 43, Im a pussy for wanting to be in range to BOTH of you? Wanting more people to fight and have more total competition makes someone a pussy?

Yall want +/- 4 cause your all scared.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.

[PlayervsDen]

+/- 8 =



http://s11.allstarpics.net/images/orig/3/d/3d6cam6opo7q7o6.jpg

Anyone who wants +/- 4 levels at max level is wrong.




LOL at me being a pussy for wanting MORE PVP. So when we are both 50 and I find you power leveling a 43, Im a pussy for wanting to be in range to BOTH of you? Wanting more people to fight and have more total competition makes someone a pussy?

Yall want +/- 4 cause your all scared.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.

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[Rallyd]

The reason a lot of people want higher level ranges is partly because they want to be able to grief a farther reach, and partly because they don't like low level trainers etc. However there is a reason sony made the entrance level to the planes 46. It's because the level range on pvp servers was 4 levels, that made it so that anyone entering planes was pvpable.

An arguement can be made that 4+/- level range is classic, I believe sullon was the only exception to this and was created much later on anyways. +/- 4 levels is the best you can get because once you are 24, you cannot be pvped by a person a full spell level ahead of you until you advance. Just makes sense all around to be 4 levels.

Also with the system they have in place now, out of range healers won't be as possible because if they heal a person they get bumped up. I think that's how it works?

[Nirgon]

Mostly want to grief more.

[gloinz]

The reason a lot of people want higher level ranges is partly because they want to be able to grief a farther reach, and partly because they don't like low level trainers etc. However there is a reason sony made the entrance level to the planes 46. It's because the level range on pvp servers was 4 levels, that made it so that anyone entering planes was pvpable.

An arguement can be made that 4+/- level range is classic, I believe sullon was the only exception to this and was created much later on anyways. +/- 4 levels is the best you can get because once you are 24, you cannot be pvped by a person a full spell level ahead of you until you advance. Just makes sense all around to be 4 levels.

Also with the system they have in place now, out of range healers won't be as possible because if they heal a person they get bumped up. I think that's how it works?


http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50365

pvp champs want 8 level range so we can smash people 8 levels above us, like i smashed that red con in my pvp thread

[gloinz]

This guy has NO idea what he is talking about.


+/-4 is a good range to allow for competitive PvP. Anything higher than that just means higher level people can kill lower level people with no chance of losing.

If you are truly a PvP player and consider yourself red, then you know that all of the good PvP happens at level 50 and is against level 50 players. People who ask for no level range or a level range of 8+ are pussies who do not like competition.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50365

higher vs lower lower wins take notes

[vinx]

im going to go ahead and post my suggestion of: +/- 2

cuz when im 25 and still using level 24 spells,
i dont want to be jacked by someone using level 29 spells

so a +/- 2 would make for freakin awesome competitive pvp at ANY level!
trust me

[vinx]

An arguement can be made that 4+/- level range is classic, I believe sullon was the only exception to this and was created much later on anyways.
Vallon was +/- 8 for as long as i can remember

[Billbike]

For those who want to reduce the PvP range, in terms that everyone here can easily understand:

If you have little or no experience in EVERQUEST PVP, stop making stupid suggestions. Stop being scared.

Anyone who is a true veteran of EQ PVP knows that +/- 4 levels is NOT ENOUGH.

Maybe a full group of 45s run in to a solo 50, they can't attack the 50? Wrong.

What about Kunark? Level 55 can't attack 50s, or 60s? Dumb.

With the slow exp rates, most groups will have wide level ranges. With a 4 level range, it is almost certain that group PvP encounters will have OOR members.

This guy isn't scared of the 8 level range.

http://www.sparkcaster.com/demotivational/images/bravery%202.jpg

Y'all need to get braver.

[Nirgon]

I can think of some EQ vets here that think +4/-4 and FFA IN RAID ZONES is fine.

[socialist]

People should con white when they're in range, regardless of what level they are.

[xblade724]

1) Should be +4/-4 for free-for-all pvp (like rallos). TZ/VZ was *ONLY* +8/-8 because it was team based.
2) If in level range, should con white. If out of range, should con either green or red. This way you have some risk instead of seeking out just blues that don't stand a chance