damage shields doing reduced damage in pvp

[Darwoth]

damage shields have the 30% pvp nerf applied to them, they did full damage in classic.

[Harrison]

Find and post proof or your post, like about 90% of your others flooding this forum, are irrelevant.

[Darwoth]

i report bugs and inaccuracies as i find them, if you want to chime in demanding proof every thread (in spite of others saying the same thing) go look for it, preferably at the bottom of a shotgun barrel.

[jilena]

I did some searching while in this meeting didn't see anything to confirm or deny this.

[Harrison]

Despite my post above, I agree that damage shields always did full damage at this time.

This doesn't mean shit though, because there is no proof, again.

[Lasher]

Proof is useful when you are trying to argue something that goes against the accepted and when there is proof to actually find. To my knowledge how damage shield work on live was never altered so my attempt to find anything that indicate how it exactly works was futile. I found patch notes about duration being increased or damage shield being added and removed from druid buff but nothing pertinent that states that ds does or does not do 66% dmg in pvp

[mimixownzall]

Considering that damage shields are not affected by resists and immunities, I think they shouldn't be reduced in pvp either. They should do full damage unless it can be proven otherwise.

[Rob]

Anyone who played a druid on live knows damage shields did indeed do full damage. Basically what made druids able to crush most melees who didn't use a 2her. Even in kunark epic rogues were no problem for a druid to dispatch, tank, turn a bunch to avoid backstab, and spam chloroblast until they realized they were killing themselves then chase the bastard down. Honestly I think this spell was overlooked as PvP damage when the spell nerf rolled through; what i mean to say is it probably wasn't an intention stay in by verant they just stupidly didn't consider it when they did decide on the spell damage change. I don't think anyone ever talked about it so I doubt you will ever find any proof!

I never SS'd any killshots because I'm terrible at this game but Darwoth you should consider looking through all your old SS's of you killing people there is probably a ds message or two.

[Mardur]

Agreed, make damage shields do full damage. Proof shouldn't be necessary, should be unanimous.

[Titanuk]

there was always a difference in PVP dmg sheild from what i remember
but i have no proof :( and could be wrong

[Lasher]

I dont recall ds doing reduced dmg in pvp, it did on vztz. Unless there is proof showing live had ds pvp dmg reduced i think it would be ridiculous considering ds last aroud 5 mins so to add reduction to it would severly gimp the applications of it in pvp

[Nirgon]

It did full damage in pvp.

There will be much crying and disputing, but it was full.

[Alecta]

In spdat.h:

bool IsDamageShieldSpell(uint16 spell_id);

In spdat.cpp:

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// spell property testing functions

bool IsDamageShieldSpell(uint16 spell_id)
{
return IsEffectInSpell(spell_id, SE_DamageShield);
}

In attack.cpp (adapt as is necessary, as I am sure its customized):

// cut all PVP spell damage to 2/3 -solar
// EverHood - Blasting ourselfs is considered PvP
//Don't do PvP mitigation if the caster is damaging himself
if(other && other->IsClient() && (other != this) && damage > 0 && !IsDamageShieldSpell(spell_id) ) {

[Smedy]

Yep remember full, can't prove, cause i'm way to lazy to google, but someone can probably dig it up

[heartbrand]

Null is on it

[Bamzal Sherbet]

confirmed DS's were a more serious issue on live

[Nirgon]

Null is on it

Null's gone. Time to own the issue.

[Alecta]

Yeah, which is why I provided an implementation, which we're burying with each subsequent post.

[Ruprecht]

Yeah, which is why I provided an implementation, which we're burying with each subsequent post.Yeah, the devs haven't fixed it yet because all this time they were desperately awaiting that prophesied day when a random member of the community should arrive to bestow upon them a few lines of trivial code.

:rolleyes:

[Alecta]

Eh, was just going off http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6897, which is why I bumped the year and a half old post with all the 'proof' with a code submission.

But if the preferred approach is to just QQ and snipe, I can roll with that too.

[Bamzal Sherbet]

you ever hear of a development fork? your emu code is meaningless here

[MC Epic]

It did full damage in pvp.

There will be much crying and disputing, but it was full.

Damage shields did full damage.

[Nizzarr]

bump, another important pvp issue

[Technique]

November 2001:
Given how PvP works on the coin only servers, it is a joke that spell damage and pet damage is reduced to 66%, while melee damage, damage shields and archery, does 100% damage.http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showpost.php?p=93799&postcount=6

[Potus]

Oh my god that safehouse thread is hilarious; so many rogue apologists trying to rationalize pvp being imbalanced toward melees.

[p-niner]

Excellent find technique

[Nirgon]

Velious rogue chasing you with a primal bow, is um, I wouldn't say rogues suck at all

[p-niner]

Velious rogue chasing you with a primal bow, is um, I wouldn't say rogues suck at all

Ya I did it on loz rly funny.

Should also be noted that same safehouse thread has a guy claim ds damage is nerfed a few posts down.

-Highest druid dmg shield is 38 counting both the ac + ds + the pure ds which stack. This Ds does 25 in pvp due to pvp reduction

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showpost.php?p=93804&postcount=11

maybe differences in the pvp server rules?

[Potus]

Seeing that "Aerimus Shadowborn" is also saying incredibly stupid shit about PVP throughout that thread, I'm less inclined to believe him.

You see, Necros aren't crappy because Splurt does 1200 dmg!