PvP Item loot, a tolerable change.

[Combobreaker]

I think along with gold loot, exp loss, and 8+/-.

We should be able to take 1 of anything from said inventory, be it something they worked hard to farm, or some food because im running out soon.

discuss

[Morninx]

as hardcore as item loot is. I vote no to trying to bag my gear before the group ganking me kills me to steal my shit. Exp death is enough of a grief. Not trying to be a pussy but it was a mistake on live.. Why they got rid of it.

[Combobreaker]

as hardcore as item loot is. I vote no to trying to bag my gear before the group ganking me kills me to steal my shit. Exp death is enough of a grief. Not trying to be a pussy but it was a mistake on live.. Why they got rid of it.

K but that has nothing to do with current issue.

[Sprinkle]

item loot will ruin the server , example :

hardcore group lets say sham and 2 sks , buffed

gnome sitting and enjoying milk and cookies , pow he is rocked and robe stolen

casual gnome quits game resulting in 1 less player

[Softcore PK]

So you'd want to make it so clickies are always worn or banked?

[Combobreaker]

item loot will ruin the server , example :

hardcore group lets say sham and 2 sks , buffed

gnome sitting and enjoying milk and cookies , pow he is rocked and robe stolen

casual gnome quits game resulting in 1 less player

again, this isnt "item loot" its "inventory loot"

gnome shouldve put his robe on and not been running around naked

[Softcore PK]

It would just result in certain items not being used. Like kunark class armors.

[lethdar]

dumb change.

[Combobreaker]

??? how can this be denied, it keeps a surprise on kills and doesnt destroy peoples characters.

[Dfn]

I like it. Will mostly result in pumice and shit being looted but you may get lucky occasionally. It's a reward for killibg someone but it isn't "hardcore".

[Galacticus]

item loot will ruin the server , example :

hardcore group lets say sham and 2 sks , buffed

gnome sitting and enjoying milk and cookies , pow he is rocked and robe stolen

casual gnome quits game resulting in 1 less player

This, for many, loot is the biggest part of this game. Same reason you want to loot their gear so bad.

[lindz]

Yes lets make sure no one can have jboots on the server. Sounds like a great idea.

[Combobreaker]

Obviously no trade items will not be lootable... you could even say magic/lore items arent lootable but then id call you a bitch :)

[lethdar]

we've already gone over this, it fucks melees hardcore, bards, etc. Can't carry agro weps + pvp weps, bard always going to lose an instrument, etc. etc.

[Combobreaker]

we've already gone over this, it fucks melees hardcore, bards, etc. Can't carry agro weps + pvp weps, bard always going to lose an instrument, etc. etc.

never read up on things like that, but wouldnt magic/lore items being unlootable take care of offsets?

[Sorath]

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[Shrubwise]

Weapons (items equipped) and no-drop items were not lootable. Also, it was a 4 level spread. Best ruleset, best live PvP server. #winning

[Combobreaker]

Weapons (items equipped) and no-drop items were not lootable. Also, it was a 4 level spread. Best ruleset, best live PvP server. #winning

4+/- would work too, but id like pvp to stretch 8+/-, not necessarily loot though

[lethdar]

So non magic, non lore, non no drop, items from inventory?

Whats the point, its just stupid.

[lethdar]

can't even loot pumice with that ruleset fyi.

[Combobreaker]

So non magic, non lore, non no drop, items from inventory?

Whats the point, its just stupid.

anything non-magic would be lootable

anything magic/lore/nodrop is non-lootable

[lethdar]

Right... so you're asking to be able to loot batwings? Again, what's the point. Even pumice is flagged as magic.

[Combobreaker]

Right... so you're asking to be able to loot batwings? Again, what's the point. Even pumice is flagged as magic.

IDK the point is to add a little bit more than plat/gold/silv/copper.

what if someone crafted some bronze pants and had it on them. id love those at the start of r99

[Amuk]

I spent some time in vent on KAB with combobreaker, you were literally the newest eq player I've played with on EMU - pls don't listen to a guy who can't find his way to the oasis from sro druid port, or like mistmoore from gfay spires.

It literally blew my mind how you knew nothing about the game.

[Combobreaker]

I spent some time in vent on KAB with combobreaker, you were literally the newest eq player I've played with on EMU - pls don't listen to a guy who can't find his way to the oasis from sro druid port, or like mistmoore from gfay spires.

It literally blew my mind how you knew nothing about the game.

ha, stasis right?

[Sorath]

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[Shrubwise]

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[Mardur]

It literally blew my mind how you knew nothing about the game.

Well he thinks you can craft bronze.

[Doors]

Item loot sure. Just ban all caster classes.

If things are going to remain 'classic' then mages, necros, wizards, etc. can basically run around naking PKing melee's for free loot. Has been proven time and time again. I've been playing a 50 wizard naked and do just fine farming npcs and players alike since I stripped him down once I hit 50.

Item loot is just going to make the server more caster dominant and more shitty. Hell half the hard asses from VZTZ already ragequit beta once they attempted to play a melee and died once or twice and just got coined.

There seriously won't be a single reason to play a melee toon till Kunark hits if they put item loot in. You can farm anything with enough mages as it is. Won't need warriors for tanks or monks for dps if you have enough compentent mages cycling pets.

[pojab]

take mage out of game. give rogues ability to summon mod rods. done.

[Sorath]

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[Bockscar]

No loot.

[Yukahwa]

+ - 8 pvp range is 100x more detrimental to server growth than item loot. If you want to talk about encouraging players to get through the low levels than the pvp range needs to be the prime topic.

Inventory loot has its own set of problems. If you want softcore item loot it should be 1 random equipped item barring held / range slots. That way you don't lose your sneakers every time.

[Softcore PK]

My vote goes to being able to loot 1 stack of either food or water.

[Prahadigm24]

I still argue the case for inventory loot. Let them loot 1 item from the whole inventory, excluding primary & secondary items (and this is only required to protect instruments and alternative weapons for PvE). You want to take extra clickies with you, which are not no-drop? Your risk! If you really want to use your manastone, see invis bracer, kunark class armor etc. WEAR IT!! Chose your priorities!

But we already had several threads about that, and it doesn't seem like the devs are considering it at all. I'm fine with coin loot, too.

[lethdar]

+ - 8 pvp range is 100x more detrimental to server growth than item loot. If you want to talk about encouraging players to get through the low levels than the pvp range needs to be the prime topic.

Inventory loot has its own set of problems. If you want softcore item loot it should be 1 random equipped item barring held / range slots. That way you don't lose your sneakers every time.

Random item loss, the worst of all proposed systems.

[Lovely]

I love item loot but I don't want it. Cause it's gonna get boring when I make half the server quit

[Djanis]

Weapons (items equipped) and no-drop items were not lootable. Also, it was a 4 level spread. Best ruleset, best live PvP server. #winning

Weapons were lootable when RZ first opened.

[Combobreaker]

Just throwing out what I'd like to see on red. Hope they reconsider something more than just coin loot.

[Nirgon]

They aren't even considering it.

Too many cries, poop sockers not being able to have insane advantage, and for the record it doesn't ruin anything.

[zixxer]

I love item loot but I don't want it. Cause it's gonna get boring when I make half the server quit

Half the servers going to quit because it's to boring without it.....

[Tajin]

I think along with gold loot, exp loss, and 8+/-.

We should be able to take 1 of anything from said inventory, be it something they worked hard to farm, or some food because im running out soon.

discuss

I think item loot was the most fun ive ever had on EQ.. PLZ KEEP ITEM LOOT

[Pudge]

i think severely limited itemloot could still be fun. if no-drop, lore, magic items were all non lootable it would still leave some nice things to loot every once in awhile.

besides batwings, food and bandages, and bone chips/malachite, this includes diamonds and many player made items such as shaman potions.

or maybe even just "stackable" items (like food, bone chips, etc) lootable

[Combobreaker]

i think severely limited itemloot could still be fun. if no-drop, lore, magic items were all non lootable it would still leave some nice things to loot every once in awhile.

besides batwings, food and bandages, and bone chips/malachite, this includes diamonds and many player made items such as shaman potions.

or maybe even just "stackable" items (like food, bone chips, etc) lootable

exactly <3

[Prahadigm24]

i think severely limited itemloot could still be fun. if no-drop, lore, magic items were all non lootable it would still leave some nice things to loot every once in awhile.

besides batwings, food and bandages, and bone chips/malachite, this includes diamonds and many player made items such as shaman potions.

or maybe even just "stackable" items (like food, bone chips, etc) lootable

This concept is better than sheer coin loot. Would give you some extra candy for each kill, and the people who are afraid of their peridots/bone chips/malachites could just split them up in several stacks. You would also lose some of your PvP enhancement items like potions and pumice. Sounds great.

[Lasher]

diamonds are magic as well as sham potions

[Pudge]

diamonds are magic as well as sham potions

?

diamond http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6704
some sham potions http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=65152, http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2500, http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=36918

unless they changed..

[Dfn]

Any inventory item, dumbshits. What the fuck is the point of inventory loot if you can't take anything of value? Inventory loot isn't hardcore enough to scare off people that get their worn gear jacked. It is just a small reward that may occasionally be nice. Inventory loot is NOT warn gear.

Too many idiots in this thread.

[dogbarf]

Rallos Zek had by far and away the Highest population of any red server before the merge. (500+ in bazaar to sullon zeks 90) People actually gave a shit when they lost items so they kept track of their guilds and history. Red didn't just equal dead. No item loot = some shitty deathmatch server where you attack pretty much everyone on sight in an mmo with one of the LOWEST skillcaps ever.

[STRAY]

Basically haha basically,..hahah basically

Takin' a man's shoes...seriously?!

[Softcore PK]

Rallos Zek had by far and away the Highest population of any red server before the merge. (500+ in bazaar to sullon zeks 90) People actually gave a shit when they lost items so they kept track of their guilds and history. Red didn't just equal dead. No item loot = some shitty deathmatch server where you attack pretty much everyone on sight in an mmo with one of the LOWEST skillcaps ever.

But at that point, as other RZ people have mentioned, item loot had been effectively removed due to LDoN augs. And SZ was by far the lowest pop PvP server, VZ and TZ had much healthier populations.

[dogbarf]

But at that point, as other RZ people have mentioned, item loot had been effectively removed due to LDoN augs. And SZ was by far the lowest pop PvP server, VZ and TZ had much healthier populations.

Augs came in late enough that it didn't matter (Max level players were already in full nodrop for the most part). The server had an established political system before that thanks to there being a real death penalty for a long enough time. New players also didn't have to endure bullshit twinks taking no risk.

[Ravenlof]

as hardcore as item loot is. I vote no to trying to bag my gear before the group ganking me kills me to steal my shit. Exp death is enough of a grief. Not trying to be a pussy but it was a mistake on live.. Why they got rid of it.

yes

[Softcore PK]

I grew up on VZ, and I consider that to be the greatest mmo experience anyone has ever had. We wear rose tinted glasses when looking into our EQ pasts imo.

[Yukahwa]

Its true. Softcore. I believe any classic PVP experience was top of the line compared to other later pvp experiences.

I think that the rallos ruleset offers the most benefits, even with limited item loot. All of those servers were great though

[Nirgon]

8 lvls ffa = bad. Further, no item loot = boring. It's what really made EQ different from WoW/DAoC etc and why I keep hoping to come back to something like it to this day.

[Softcore PK]

I was an elf purist on VZ, and I think that's what made my experience so unique and awesome.