Game Mechanics: Mage: Earth pet will not Root a Player with Sow. [Archive]

Azu

10-08-2011, 09:30 AM

so now that i reached 49 i wanted to test out the resist rate on mage pet roots on players with high and low Magic Resistance. anyways when i went to test this with the 49 mage pet.. he simply would not root my level 50 druid friend, at all. he didnt even try to. we let it melee him for around 10 mins total time, he even tried kiting it just out of melee range for a while. nothing, he wouldn't even try and root. so at first i thought, "ok maybe its levitate," but he still wouldn't root.

so out of curiosity i guess he removed his Sow, and right away the pet attempted to root again like he normally would. so to make sure this was the case he cast sow on himself again, and once again the pet stopped attempting to root.

so it would appear earth pets will not attempt to root a player with sow.

here's what i think it is. or maybe has something to do with it. a Earth pet will not attempt to root a target that is already rooted. he just wont bother. be it his own root spell or another players. I believe that the pet is thinking that "sow" is a root, and there for not attempting to root his target if it has Sow.

Please look into this if possible, ty =)

Azu

10-08-2011, 11:34 AM

I confirmed Jboots will also Block the pet from Casting root. making fighting a melee that has Jboots a biatch and very, very difficult to fight.

Lovely

10-08-2011, 11:34 AM

Confirmed. Earth pets doesn't even cast root on people with sow or Jboots. But the second you remove the speed buff they cast it again like normal.

valithteezee

10-08-2011, 12:29 PM

I've seen this happen also.

Kringe

10-08-2011, 05:34 PM

confirmed this as well.

tmoneynegro

10-08-2011, 06:35 PM

I confirmed Jboots will also Block the pet from Casting root. making fighting a melee that has Jboots a biatch and very, very difficult to fight.

I hate to break it to you pal, but earth pet root never lands on EQ live PvP servers unless someone is naked. So if this is fixed to be anything like EQ live, you should not expect the pet to ever root people with gear on anyway.

Did you honestly think PvP was that easy? Just send pet then run away for a free kill? There's a reason it doesn't land, because it would take 0 skill to kill people that way.

Harrison

10-08-2011, 06:55 PM

Can we ban Wehrmacht again?

Galacticus

10-08-2011, 08:31 PM

I am sure this also is what the issue with rooting and snaring removes sow, and how root will overwrite snare or vice versa, they arent stacking.

Yinikren

10-08-2011, 08:32 PM

Can't confirm with SoW or JBoots, but mage pets sure as hell root my bard with selos and 80 MR from a drum 90%+ of the time.

Mardur

10-09-2011, 01:19 AM

I am sure this also is what the issue with rooting and snaring removes sow, and how root will overwrite snare or vice versa, they arent stacking.

This is intentional. The earth pet root issue is a non intentional bug that came from this.

Azu

10-09-2011, 04:18 AM

I hate to break it to you pal, but earth pet root never lands on EQ live PvP servers unless someone is naked. So if this is fixed to be anything like EQ live, you should not expect the pet to ever root people with gear on anyway.

Did you honestly think PvP was that easy? Just send pet then run away for a free kill? There's a reason it doesn't land, because it would take 0 skill to kill people that way.it does land, on a player with 100mr~ roughly 1 in 6 to 7 attempts, it will last a tic or 2. less then 100 MR it lands far more often, tho still for only about 2 ticks.

its not so much if it resists all the time. the pet attempts to root "alot" and very often. go troll in Rants and flames or something, not people trying to give feedback on bugs ect.

Bockscar

10-09-2011, 07:48 AM

Mostly the reason pet root didn't land was because pets were usually several levels lower than their target. Other than that, it should function like a regular spell with no resist modifier. If someone has 100MR, pet root should normally be a non-factor, and probably with 70-80ish MR as well if the target isn't much lower level than the magician. It should also have a maximum duration of 18 seconds, but it appears to be like 30-40 seconds sometimes on this server.

Lovely

10-09-2011, 11:20 AM

This is isn't about root landing. It's about PETS not even casting their root on people with jboots or sow. That's a bug and will need to be fixed

tmoneynegro

10-10-2011, 04:49 AM

it does land, on a player with 100mr~ roughly 1 in 6 to 7 attempts, it will last a tic or 2

Wow dude, you may be the biggest liar on earth. Pets are low level and receive a huge penalty for that level difference when casting on level 50's.

Root casted by a level 50 player against another level 50 player with 100MR will probably land 5-8% of the time max. Therefore, a mage pet would have even harder of a chance to land it.

It sounds like you played TZVZ and never touched EQ live PvP before.

Azu

10-10-2011, 09:15 AM

Wow dude, you may be the biggest liar on earth. Pets are low level and receive a huge penalty for that level difference when casting on level 50's.

Root casted by a level 50 player against another level 50 player with 100MR will probably land 5-8% of the time max. Therefore, a mage pet would have even harder of a chance to land it.

It sounds like you played TZVZ and never touched EQ live PvP before.

well that's what happened while testing it on my druid friend when he had a little over 100 mr. strangely enough even with the pets being as low level as they are their roots will land on higher level players given enough attempts. (they recast every 6 seconds)

in regards to player cast roots, i was shocked the other day when a 44 shaman tried to instill me (being 50) i resisted 4 or 5 times in a row before he gave up and started to dot me. (which all landed) having only 48 MR unbuffed. you would think at least one of those instill would have landed if only for a tick or 2. but resists work weird here i guess.

also Im not sure why people throw this "you must have played TZVZ ect. ect. ect." all the time. to be honest i have no idea what TZVZ is. tho i get the impression it was some other EMU server or something. i Played on RZ back on live as a shadow knight and a paladin. i remember my roots and darkness spells landing much more often then it did here. but that was so long ago my memory is foggy as best, so i wouldn't know for sure.

tmoneynegro

10-10-2011, 11:45 AM

well that's what happened while testing it on my druid friend when he had a little over 100 mr

The P99 PvP beta launched without having any resist system whatsoever implemented...

It's basically just random numbers in there now which makes testing PvP rather hard to do.

Azu

10-10-2011, 11:20 PM

The P99 PvP beta launched without having any resist system whatsoever implemented...

It's basically just random numbers in there now which makes testing PvP rather hard to do.so i noticed. I'll have to wait and how things change regarding the earth pets roots once the resists are tweaked.

jilena

10-11-2011, 03:59 PM

I have heard a few comments about pet root being unresistable at any level difference. I tried testing at the extreme end of this with a level 4 mage and my 50 shaman with only naked MR (25). The level 4 earth pet would never root him. Also the pet would not even attempt to root with SoW on. I have posted screenshots of this behavior in my compilation thread.

Brut

08-05-2012, 08:23 AM

Bump. Mage earth pet still refuses to attempt rooting targets with SoW/Jboots up, NPCs included.

biscuits2455

08-05-2012, 02:45 PM

Maybe he is casting but the sow is cast by a higher lvl so it will not over write. I pretty much gave up on root pets anyway.

SamwiseBanned

08-05-2012, 04:57 PM

Jibekn said the same thing, might wanna look into this (Earth pet not even trying to cast root in pvp)

nilbog

08-05-2012, 05:00 PM

Mentioned to source developers. Hopefully fixed soon.

Arillious

08-08-2012, 03:22 PM

Mentioned to source developers. Hopefully fixed soon.

Not trying to be a stick in the mud, but this huge class issue took a year to get a dev response on. Glad its "hopefully" getting fixed soon, but this was just one of the "death by a million cuts" for this server.

Plenty of information was given about the issue and it was substantiated by many different people. A simple "We know about this, but its going to be hard as shit to fix, but we have it on X timetable" would of went a long way for this issue and others like it. When no communication is made, we are left to think either A). GM's aren't reading this crap, or B) They read it and didn't care enough to respond.

bamzal

08-10-2012, 04:23 PM

ya this might be fine for the blue server (letting bugs slide for a year), but when people are fighting eachother with broken mechanics the problems are magnified.

Sickpuppy

11-08-2012, 03:38 PM

59 mage here ... these bugs suck ass especialy for me on the pvp server ... when earth pet roots ... it should overwrite sow.. or jboots so when it wears off you no longer have sow or jboots thats how it was in classic ..

Sickpuppy

11-08-2012, 03:39 PM

it also overwrites bard sow song ..

Wolfgang

11-08-2012, 04:33 PM

damn reported this a long time ago, this still isnt fixed?

Salem Orchid

11-08-2012, 05:55 PM

pretty sure this is fixed, got rooted a week ago by an earth pet first cast against 90 MR

I didn't pay attention to weather or not it replaced my Jboots though.

Awwalike

11-09-2012, 03:48 AM

any word? mage needs root just as bad as everyone else

super old bug can we please get a response

who's ur new mage advisor

Arclyte

11-18-2012, 11:55 PM

My earth pet was refusing to root the SoW'd goblins in SolA a few days ago

Tippett

01-17-2013, 05:30 AM

New problem, now pet root is way too insane.

1. It spams it at an extremely constant rate
2. It doesn't get resisted even with 200+ MR

Shit is beyond OP, Earth pets now called "Bard Killas" lol

Bamzal Sherbet

01-17-2013, 11:37 AM

^ and in mass pvp, send it on all ur targets, and the pets root is like an AOE - it roots just for running by, and not even stoppping to swing

heartbrand

01-17-2013, 01:28 PM

Mage pet's OP root lands almost every time, prlz fix

Nirgon

01-17-2013, 01:33 PM

In my days, I personally witnessed a player getting rooted over and over by a mage pet without the guards helping him.

Tried to message him asking to report his grievances to the bugs section but he never turned back up : /.

This spell should be even more resisted than root, would have to check the #'s on it though.

Not to mention! The original earth pet had a small aoe quake ability that didn't root! It was later changed.

Pudge

01-24-2013, 04:19 AM

ya happened to me yesterday or today.. level 60 mage pet rooted 1st try.

Handpartytowel

02-05-2013, 04:17 AM

confirmed. earth pet unresistable chain rooting. landed 7 times in a row in the course of about 8 seconds. mage currently IDGOD mode

Tippett

02-05-2013, 04:25 AM

sickpuppy/madude went from being jokes in pvp to gods because of this shit lol

fuck double earth pet frenzy root spam

Sickpuppy

02-08-2013, 12:54 AM

We. Barly pvp together basiah again your talking about what u don't know and the 57 earth pets root is not broken I will log on and make as of it if anyone cares to join me if not stfu

nabsev

02-08-2013, 02:11 AM

It is broken

Tippett

02-08-2013, 10:21 PM

Bump

Any word on this? Took almost a year to get it adjusted the first time, be cool not to take a year to get looked at again.

You literally cannot escape these pets.

heartbrand

02-23-2013, 02:32 AM

bump, earth pets are ridiculous got chain rooted with 212 MR literally c-h-a-i-n rooted

Tippett

02-23-2013, 02:48 AM

New problem, now pet root is way too insane.

1. It spams it at an extremely constant rate
2. It doesn't get resisted even with 200+ MR

Shit is beyond OP, Earth pets now called "Bard Killas" lol

Cwall 52.0

02-23-2013, 07:14 AM

what kind of bard dies to an earth pet

srsly

Smedy

02-23-2013, 08:55 AM

bump, earth pets are ridiculous got chain rooted with 212 MR literally c-h-a-i-n rooted

shits classic, no one gives a single fuck, everyone should just roll mages and get it over with

SamwiseRed

02-23-2013, 11:57 AM

im enjoying the the classicness of mage root. when i played classic the server was about 90% mages. if you dont like it, talk to brad.

Infectious

02-23-2013, 12:23 PM

Earth pet was garbage in pvp and never held. And if it did it would break almost instantly half the time. I always seen people with the air pets for stuns.

Smedy

02-23-2013, 02:03 PM

"Shit's classic" doesn't actually imply it was like this on live, it only implies that shit's like this on red99 and there's nothing they gonna do about it so deal with it

SamwiseRed

02-23-2013, 02:06 PM

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z192/Def_Fit/GIF/deal_with_it-Lakers.gif

Jenni D

02-23-2013, 09:57 PM

"Shit's classic" doesn't actually imply it was like this on live, it only implies that shit's like this on red99 and there's nothing they gonna do about it so deal with it

SamwiseRed

02-23-2013, 11:25 PM

http://i.imgur.com/KP1PX3u.gif

fixt

SamwiseRed

02-24-2013, 10:47 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phXGpnmADnc&feature=youtu.be

Tarwaine holding down KC while getting rooted like a machine gun by mage pet.

heartbrand

02-24-2013, 12:25 PM

In its current form the earth pet is superior to the epic pet in PVP

Rettii

02-24-2013, 02:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phXGpnmADnc&feature=youtu.be

Tarwaine holding down KC while getting rooted like a machine gun by mage pet.

if this is evidence that mage pet needs a huge tone-down wtf is going on

diplo

02-25-2013, 11:05 AM

if this is evidence that mage pet needs a huge tone-down wtf is going on

His MR must've been 45...

Nirgon

02-25-2013, 11:45 AM

Chasing Lamort for an easy kill after down to 30% hp, first immobolize from a blue con lands on a confirmed 165 MR. Dispelled root, he was far gone.

Shit's classic.

Rettii

02-26-2013, 03:40 AM

His MR must've been 45...

Tarwine's MR not 45

diplo

02-26-2013, 10:12 AM

fix earth pet root when mage bolt line gets fixed i say!

Rettii

02-26-2013, 12:04 PM

http://i.imgur.com/q8emsuY.png

Tippett

02-26-2013, 06:06 PM

shits retarded and needs a fix, completely ignores MR and spams insanely fast

Smedy

02-27-2013, 03:08 AM

Pretty sure nothing needs to be done to the pet, it's the god damn magic resist code in general that's fucked up, if you fix that the pet fixes itself.

vouss

02-27-2013, 03:45 AM

just recenlty died to earth pet chain rooting me at 150 MR, a level 51 to my level 55. On my bind point i resisted 4/5 level 60 druid roots at 25MR

SamwiseRed

02-27-2013, 03:53 AM

that sample size is too small to say anything. i agree pet root out of control but ive never tested with mr gear. i just know it roots like a mother fucker. one thing tho is that IS what the earth pet does on mobs cept the root doesnt last long. for the sake of validity lets post some tests. test need to be done at even level range. 51 to a 55 its hard to say. I was chain rooted by minies pet at 72 mr but i was 52 and she was 60. on rz that would be maximum level range diff meaning the lower level player would need like 100 mr to resist root. keep in mind it was only a 4 lvl range there so i imagine any kind of lvl 52-54 player here is gonna get chain rooted here no matter what your mr is.

this custom level range may be more at fault than anything in this case.

Tippett

02-27-2013, 09:12 AM

the pet is like level 51 tho in some cases and 56 is the highest it goes

and yes I was chain rooted with 204 MR by a level 51 earth pet before when I was 55

shits dum dog

Tippett

02-27-2013, 07:24 PM

bump

Tippett

02-28-2013, 08:22 PM

Yagebasto

03-01-2013, 02:13 AM

The max level a pet can be is 50 and that is the epic pet. Other pets are <50

Smedy

03-01-2013, 03:28 AM

heartbrand

03-01-2013, 04:38 AM

You need to praise the sun and hope the "dawg" shows up to hotfix your issues

lol'ed @ this

Dullah

03-01-2013, 07:42 AM

Level means nothing in pvp on this server. You could be 52 against a level 60s pet, or 60 against a level 52s pet, either way you are perma rooted at 74mr. Even at 150mr, you seldom resist it.

nilbog

03-01-2013, 07:45 AM

why was the epic mage thing fixed immediately but this goes ignored?

this is 10x more game breaking then the epic pet not running at jboots speed, this is the most unbalanced thing currently on the pvp server

:(

Pending fixes for the epic mage pet are not in the same arena of fixes. Root not stacking with sow is a code issue with spells.

That being said, I will start looking into this to see if there is anything I can do. If not, I'll start taking suggestions.

Tippett

03-01-2013, 08:28 AM

just to clarify big nilborg the sow/jboot overwrite issue has been fixed for a long time, but in that same fix the earth pet seems to spam the root much too often and it seems to have no resist check what so ever.

Bolded part is what everyone is tweaking about

SamwiseRed

03-01-2013, 10:03 AM

Level means nothing in pvp on this server. You could be 52 against a level 60s pet, or 60 against a level 52s pet, either way you are perma rooted at 74mr. Even at 150mr, you seldom resist it.

not true, i again resisted andis roots (including first cast) at lvl 52 (he being 60). learn to wear mr.

Nirgon

03-01-2013, 03:14 PM

Send this man a pizza.

Tippett

03-02-2013, 01:12 AM

not true, i again resisted andis roots (including first cast) at lvl 52 (he being 60). learn to wear mr.

2/6 roots @ 204 MR level 54 CLR vs 60 DRU

shit was dum dog, and yeah 204 MR was wearing a fuck ton of resists

Clark

03-02-2013, 03:50 AM

Confirmed. Earth pets doesn't even cast root on people with sow or Jboots. But the second you remove the speed buff they cast it again like normal.

what in the..

nilbog

03-03-2013, 11:28 AM

SamwiseRed

03-03-2013, 11:35 AM

ive never tested pet root with more than 72 mr so its hard for me to say how bad it is but I have resisted pet root before. I think the problem is with the current resist system, it takes a lot more mr to resist root here. that paired with the freq. of how much root is spammed by earth pet makes for a really frustrating combo.

I think someone can easily post some logs with someone at 120 mr getting attacked by an earth pet to really see how broken it is.

i still think the only way to fix this is to adjust pvp root resist more in line with classic resists.

nilbog

03-03-2013, 11:38 AM

I'm really trying to look into this issue.

Anyone responding please try and answer my questions specifically. Speculation is okay, but I still need those questions answered without obfuscation. There is a big difference in something slightly working vs. never working. Scaling resists in that situation would do absolutely nothing.

Pudge

03-03-2013, 01:19 PM

Resist:
i think it's only the HIGH level pet - the level 57 earth pet that is doing this. i believe it is resistable? really just need a mage to test this............. but what mage is going to test this problem out so that you can nerf him?

it'd be nice if there was a test server so at least devs (and perhaps regular ppl?) could log in, #level 60, and test shit.

Bamzal Sherbet

03-04-2013, 11:31 AM

i think another part of the problem is the root proc rate - 100 times per minute?

SamwiseRed

03-04-2013, 11:34 AM

i think another part of the problem is the root proc rate - 100 times per minute?

this may be how it was on live. i remember my earth pet always keeping mobs rooted. this is going to be hard to get evidence for without cooperation from mages to do testing. not sure they are willing to get their own shit nerfed.

heartbrand

03-04-2013, 12:24 PM

Okay so I'm looking into the earth pet situation. Before I waste a lot of time in the wrong areas, a few questions:

When you say it is never resisted. Is it truly NEVER resisted? Or is it extremely rare to resist?

Does the root resist problem exist with both low level mage pets and high level ones? EarthElementalAttack (low) vs. EarthElementalStrike (kunark lvl).

Does the root frequency problem exist with both low level mage pets and high level ones? EarthElementalAttack (low) vs. EarthElementalStrike (kunark lvl).

Do these same problems exist for PVE encounters on the pvp server, or only for PVP?

It is resisted, but even with 200+ MR it seems a 50/50 proposition at best, and anything lower than that and it's GG. I'm not sure what level pet the issue is with, but I know it definitely occurs with the high level kunark one. With the frequency, again I'm not sure about the low level one, but it certainly occurs very frequently with the high level one. The frequency wouldn't be an issue if the root was correctly resisted. Maybe this will be the chance we've all been waiting for, that ALL root spells are looked into.

SamwiseRed

03-04-2013, 12:27 PM

ya i think nerfing the freq is a bad idea. thats one of the perks to earth pet in pve. the "root" of the problem is definitely the resists system in place.

Nirgon

03-04-2013, 12:54 PM

Nerfing one thing or another is irrelevant, just go for the classic implementation. Works 100% of the time, every time.

Dullah

03-04-2013, 03:58 PM

Okay so I'm looking into the earth pet situation. Before I waste a lot of time in the wrong areas, a few questions:

When you say it is never resisted. Is it truly NEVER resisted? Or is it extremely rare to resist?

Does the root resist problem exist with both low level mage pets and high level ones? EarthElementalAttack (low) vs. EarthElementalStrike (kunark lvl).

Does the root frequency problem exist with both low level mage pets and high level ones? EarthElementalAttack (low) vs. EarthElementalStrike (kunark lvl).

Do these same problems exist for PVE encounters on the pvp server, or only for PVP?

It is resisted, but its rare to resist at around 150 MR (should be immune at that level of MR). Even with best in slot MR, you are almost permanently rooted. The frequency is high enough that even if you do resist it, by the time the previous root breaks another one is right behind it. There will be small breaks in between roots fading and landing where you can try to flee, but you are mostly locked down permanently.

Also, earth pet root (as well as all roots) overwrite snare and they shouldn't. They also overwrite spells like shaman torpor which they shouldn't. Basically anything with a snare effect will be overwritten by roots, but this should not happen. Don't mean to detract from the issue though.

Nirgon

03-04-2013, 04:20 PM

From Lucy
Earth Elemental Attack (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=969&source=Live):

pvpresistbase 50
pvpresistcalc 121
pvpresistcap -10

Earth Elemental Strike (http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellraw.html?id=1022&source=Live):

pvpresistbase 50
pvpresistcalc 121
pvpresistcap 12

Should the Kunark pets have different roots in classic trilogy? This guy doesn't remember here.. smells like some Sony garbage.

I think being a little harder to resist might make sense. But still, this was pretty freakin' easy to resist in live.

SamwiseRed

03-04-2013, 11:09 PM

this isnt proof of anything other than you can be rooted with 200+ mr. just posting since server down. we were testing pet in between pulls. will work on a bigger sample size later. mage is lvl 53? pet is blue to me. (51 earth pet spell)

http://i.imgur.com/bOqFmAK.jpg

tbh the most surprising thing is that it lasted full duration or w/e. at 200 mr even if root lands i would think it would wear off immediately. I resisted the first 2 but 3rd one stuck in case anyone wants to know how small this sample size really is (tiny)

Tippett

03-05-2013, 12:19 AM

classic elemental model my dog

Kringe

03-06-2013, 08:59 PM

Any news of this nilbog?

Tippett

03-09-2013, 09:16 AM

bump

Malevz

03-21-2013, 03:55 PM

Rooted 2 out of 2 times with 185 MR yesterday. I'd suggest adding the jboots/sow blocking earth pet root bug back in. Because MR sure isn't the way to go to stop it.

SamwiseRed

03-21-2013, 05:10 PM

2 out of 2 times? with the current rate of earth pet rooting, this means you were in a .5 second pvp engagement.

Kraftwerk

03-21-2013, 05:16 PM

I can confirm Raze was rooted last night. Because it was shortly followed up by me dropping bombs and collecting a killshot like it was a Pokemon.

Bazia

05-19-2013, 05:08 PM

Nilbog logged on and verified the checks were indeed off like 3 months ago

Any update?

SamwiseRed

05-19-2013, 11:51 PM

going to post video of chain root

edit: damnit my recording settings went backt o default so video is laggy as fuck....

http://www.twitch.tv/traaksc/c/2308288

video is bad quality, sorry but for 6-8 minutes (forgot how long it took to zone twice) i was rooted. ya my mr is only 40 but dayum. he was literally medding up to full as pet kept me there.