warriors on pvp servers

[bled12345]

this just goes out to anyone who used to play on sony PVP servers way back in the day. How did the warrior do? I know when I had my warrior bashndash on p99 I got roflpwned by pretty much any other class in the game as a warrior when I dueled someone.


How do they stand up on a PVP server? One of the attractive things about them, is that they will be SO rare since most people won't want to roll the weakest PVP class that cant bind, sow, or gate and is useless once naked. So they will be a huge commodity for raiding guilds in the end game, thoughts?

[Bockscar]

Warriors aren't really for duels, though they can certainly win them against some classes. Keep in mind a level 50 warrior gets 25MR for free, in addition to having access to all the best resist gear. You can get like 150MR without any raid gear, and back in the day, that made warriors essentially unkillable by clerics and enchanters. Other casters would still have a difficult time due to being unable to CC the warrior at all. I wouldn't give the advantage to the warrior in a duel against all classes, mostly because they can just be kited around so easily, but it's not some bottom feeder class either. As with any melee except maybe ranger, warriors shine in group PvP, especially in dungeon assist trains. They're one of the best classes for indoors PvP, and they'll be really good in the early high-level play because they have easy access to a 25dmg 2hander that nobody else can use.

In PvP, warriors play a lot like rogues. The main difference is that warriors can joust better, rogues have controlled burst from backstab, and warriors have random burst in the form of crits. Play aggressively against pretty much anyone, you have nothing to gain from being defensive. Make sure you don't get kited - if someone catches you outdoors and just plays the running game, don't bother unless you have jboots and they don't. Just run in the opposite direction if you can't get close, you'll look like a newbie if you get kited like some mob.

TL;DR: warriors are pretty good for dungeon PvP and get high MR easily.

[Lovely]

Bockscar covered it quite well. Warriors are basically the same in PVP as they are in PVE. You'll shine in groups and dungeons while not being all that great solo.

[Crenshinabon]

As with any melee except maybe ranger, warriors shine in group PvP, especially in dungeon assist trains.

lol wtf?
They are just as good . . .
but anyways, as a warrior resistances (mostly for casters so no cc) and ac and str will be key to winning fights.

[Softcore PK]

Warriors won't be rare at all, you'll see lots of ogres and some trolls in the uber pk guilds. And yes, Bockscar's post covered their role pretty well. They're also not useless in open pvp, especially if you get some bard speed + resists..

[Bockscar]

lol wtf?
They are just as good . . .

Rangers are more of a 1v1 class.

[Nirgon]

When the fighting moves to dungeons, you'll be happy with your warrior. Get magic resist and play with a group.

[Doors]

Basically warriors are terrible without resist gear. And even when you do get that you'll need to be carried by a group of casters to be effective.

[Xantille]

All pure melees are shit w/o resist gear. I don't think warriors/melees will need to be carried as much once they get some resists, though. 100 MR and you're likely resisting all CC spells-- throw in some SoW pots and a warrior could be a serious pain in the ass for almost all classes (assuming you know how to joust etc)

Given the LOS mechanics on this server, pure melees are going to be able to dump on people in dungeons. Can't wait, pals.

[georgie]

just get jboots asap, once you jboots you cant be rooted and i think snared either? or maybe it was selos that cancelled it out .

[Bockscar]

What? Of course you can get rooted and snared with jboots. How absurdly overpowered would it be if one item made you immune to those effects?

Wow, the things people believe...

[Mardur]

Bashndash I'm rolling a cleric, I got your back buddy.

Everyone else was pretty correct. Playing a warrior on a PVP server is just like playing one on a PVE server. Starting out is going to be a little rough, but higher end you're solid.

It really depends on how the resists go. On P99 I won duels vs. clerics, mages, and shaman, but I've lost to other warriors. Get resists/gear, a good 2 hander, joust and los spells and you'll be a machine. Carry around plenty of clickies; with a permafrost root clicky you can really ruin a mage's day.

[Galacticus]

Real question is Warrior VS Monk. Whats better?

[Aerist]

Real question is Warrior VS Monk. Whats better?

In classic, monks do not really have many viable options for weapons. So you are comparing monk fist dps + flying kick with a warrior with a 2hnder.

with AC/STR working and anyone who isn't retarded being an ogre, Warrior>Monk all day long.

Xantille will def be an interesting fight if he goes war again



Shody

[Galacticus]

In classic, monks do not really have many viable options for weapons. So you are comparing monk fist dps + flying kick with a warrior with a 2hnder.

with AC/STR working and anyone who isn't retarded being an ogre, Warrior>Monk all day long.

Xantille will def be an interesting fight if he goes war again



Shody


I was thinking that this might be to the monks advantage. Monks fists scale with level.


Level 1-4: 4 damage, 36 delay

Level 5-9: 5 damage, 36 delay

Level 10-14: 6 damage, 36 delay

Level 15-19: 7 damage, 36 delay

Level 20-24: 8 damage, 36 delay

Level 25-29: 9 damage, 35 delay

Level 30-34: 10 damage, 34 delay

Level 35-39: 11 damage, 33 delay

Level 40-44: 12 damage, 32 delay

Level 45-49: 13 damage, 31 delay

Level 50-52: 14 damage, 30 delay

Level 53-55: 14 damage, 29 delay

Level 56-58: 14 damage, 28 delay

Level 59: 14 damage, 27 delay

Level 60: 14 damage, 26 delay

In classic, there aren't many weapons easy to get which can come close to these ratios. True at 50 there is shit for monks to joust with, but with 14/30 fists, it might not be an issue.

[gankstar1868]

I was interested in playing a warrior at launch but did have some concerns as the OP stated.

Can anyone explain the advantages and disadvantages of the races:

Ogre
Troll
Barbarian
Dwarf

Starting as a warrior, what weapon skills should i focus on raising? 1hs and DW at 13 and 2hb for jousting?

What would be a better duoing class? Shaman Cleric or Druid

[Mardur]

Go Ogre. And wtf do you mean by what weapon skills you should raise? Use the best weapons you get... this isn't WoW.

[Pudge]

druid for ports

[Aerist]

if you go anything other than ogre warrior you will probably be laughed at 24/7. Frontal stun immunity with highest str and AC in game is by far the most superior race/class combo of all

[Softcore PK]

I was interested in playing a warrior at launch but did have some concerns as the OP stated.

Can anyone explain the advantages and disadvantages of the races:

Ogre
Troll
Barbarian
Dwarf

Starting as a warrior, what weapon skills should i focus on raising? 1hs and DW at 13 and 2hb for jousting?

What would be a better duoing class? Shaman Cleric or Druid

Dwarves are the ugliest and worst race in the game. Short and stout with too much facial hair is a terrible combination. Ogres and trolls are almost as bad. Barbarians do look pretty gross, but of those four they are clearly the best. Barbarians also have a very slight exp penalty, that I think is more than compensated for by the warrior exp bonus. Plus slam.

Why limit yourself to these poor choices? Gnomes and wood elves make excellent warriors.

Weapon skills, use whatever weapon you have that is best, as a previous poster said.

And duo partner? Shaman probably the best here, with slows, hastes and uber melee buffs. Druids do have a huge advantage with their ports, but as far as actually performing they fall behind clerics and shaman due to no slow, and poorer heals than cleric. Though I suppose a druid could keep something rooted to give them time to med/heal up? Cleric is a good choice, with the warrior having so many hp and the NPCs beating on them, cleric is going to be needed in the later levels if no slows are available.

[Aerist]

Dwarves are the ugliest and worst race in the game. Short and stout with too much facial hair is a terrible combination. Ogres and trolls are almost as bad. Barbarians do look pretty gross, but of those four they are clearly the best. Barbarians also have a very slight exp penalty, that I think is more than compensated for by the warrior exp bonus. Plus slam.

Why limit yourself to these poor choices? Gnomes and wood elves make excellent warriors.

Weapon skills, use whatever weapon you have that is best, as a previous poster said.

And duo partner? Shaman probably the best here, with slows, hastes and uber melee buffs. Druids do have a huge advantage with their ports, but as far as actually performing they fall behind clerics and shaman due to no slow, and poorer heals than cleric. Though I suppose a druid could keep something rooted to give them time to med/heal up? Cleric is a good choice, with the warrior having so many hp and the NPCs beating on them, cleric is going to be needed in the later levels if no slows are available.

oh my god bluebie alert haha

[Bockscar]

Monks have better utility. I guess anyone has better utility than warriors, but mend is nice and feign death can be hugely important in dungeon PvP. You don't want to train someone, but... accidents happen, right? And if you get trained or mobs randomly add during PvP, being able to feign them off is a winning card all by itself. The only problem with monks is they don't have much gear before Kunark, and that'll make it really hard to get decent resists. You basically won't get 100MR until you can get your hands on jacinth rings and Tranix crown, and that's some pretty high-end shit pre-Kunark. Planar gear and that no-drop 10MR monk mask from Kedge makes everything a bit better, but the common player won't get any of this very easily.

Go ogre warrior for best stats. If you refuse to look like an enormous baby in a diaper, go barbarian - frontal stun immunity is fairly inconsequential to a warrior, you can't cast spells anyway. Trolls get -20FR while barbarians get +10CR, and that's a pretty big deal. Regen is overrated on a class that can't solo anyway, and a difference of 30 points of important resists is huge in classic. The key factor is slam, so don't make a dwarf warrior. You'll gimp yourself out of the most important PvP ability you can have on a warrior.

[Softcore PK]

oh my god bluebie alert haha

Says the guild that rode Defiant/Zeph coattails into highish (not rly) raid content.. ;)

[Aerist]

Monks have better utility. I guess anyone has better utility than warriors, but mend is nice and feign death can be hugely important in dungeon PvP. You don't want to train someone, but... accidents happen, right? And if you get trained or mobs randomly add during PvP, being able to feign them off is a winning card all by itself. The only problem with monks is they don't have much gear before Kunark, and that'll make it really hard to get decent resists. You basically won't get 100MR until you can get your hands on jacinth rings and Tranix crown, and that's some pretty high-end shit pre-Kunark. Planar gear and that no-drop 10MR monk mask from Kedge makes everything a bit better, but the common player won't get any of this very easily.

Go ogre warrior for best stats. If you refuse to look like an enormous baby in a diaper, go barbarian - frontal stun immunity is fairly inconsequential to a warrior, you can't cast spells anyway. Trolls get -20FR while barbarians get +10CR, and that's a pretty big deal. Regen is overrated on a class that can't solo anyway, and a difference of 30 points of important resists is huge in classic. The key factor is slam, so don't make a dwarf warrior. You'll gimp yourself out of the most important PvP ability you can have on a warrior.


just.....wow...wtb help making fun of these noobs

[Bockscar]

just.....wow...wtb help making fun of these noobs

The difference is that I'm right.

[Aerist]

The difference is that I'm right.

sigh, i really was hoping you were trolling and not actually that stupid. Frontal stun is important for all classes especially warriors. It has been proven time and time again. However you have obviously never done any pvp'ing (which is fine), but when you are jousting/mass pvp'ing and someone is unable to immobilize you it pretty much makes it the most op racial ability.

Don't worry if you play you will see the difference in the first mass pvp

[Softcore PK]

Doesn't ogre stun immunity only work for melee stuns? Bash, slam..

[Bockscar]

Doesn't ogre stun immunity only work for melee stuns? Bash, slam..

Yeah. The half-second stun from bash, which is why it's only crucial for classes that can cast spells. It seems our dear Aerist has no idea what he's talking about and is compensating for this by lacing his inane failure of a post with insults. I regret to inform him that he is an idiot. Nobody will listen to some assclown who thinks frontal stun immunity is more important to warriors than to anyone else.

[Aerist]

Yeah. The half-second stun from bash, which is why it's only crucial for classes that can cast spells. It seems our dear Aerist has no idea what he's talking about and is compensating for this by lacing his inane failure of a post with insults. I regret to inform him that he is an idiot. Nobody will listen to some assclown who thinks frontal stun immunity is more important to warriors than to anyone else.


yeah you're right I am wrong, sorry to have bothered you. Frontal stun for a warrior is pointless, how could I have ever been so naive

Soft feel free to roll a gnome warrior they are the best

[Softcore PK]

Hehe, Aerist was a joke on live anyway.

[Lovely]

Aerist you're pretty pathetic. Trashing people when you're clueless.

[Aerist]

yeah totally clueless, worst opinion ever

[Galacticus]

http://cdn.thegloss.com/files/2011/07/dawson-crying.jpg

[Lovely]

When rolling a warrior pick Ogre, Troll or Barbarian are all great options. What's important for a warrior is that you have slam. Personally I'd go a Barbarian because they level faster to get an edge on a new server. They also have the best pvp racial but the lack of STR kinda makes it all even.

[Aerist]

When rolling a warrior pick Ogre, Troll or Barbarian are all great options. What's important for a warrior is that you have slam. Personally I'd go a Barbarian because they level faster to get an edge on a new server. They also have the best pvp racial but the lack of STR kinda makes it all even.

innate CR is best pvp racial? do explain

[Bockscar]

Ogre is best, but barbarian is just fine as well. Plus the added bonus of wearing IGS in two years!

Can't recommend troll. You really don't want -20FR and their raw stats aren't that much better than barbarians.

If there was kickstun at 50 like on VZTZ, I'd recommend dwarf for the innate +5MR and the dwarven ringmail tunic. That's a pretty big chunk of free resists since there's virtually nothing else with resists in that slot. Anyone who rolls a rogue should definitely go dwarf for that reason.

[tmoneynegro]

Do not listen to these idiots spread across the 4 pages that have never played a non-emu PvP server in their lives. In real Everquest PvP (not shitty TZVZ) warrior is an excellent solo PvP class, especially after getting discs.

[Bockscar]

Pretty sure people are discussing pre-Kunark facts when not stating otherwise.

[stonetz]

Ogre is all around best but play what you want. Gnome warriors really don't bring anything but if you want to play one and have fun doing it then roll a gnome.

[Palemoon]

Ogre is all around best but play what you want. Gnome warriors really don't bring anything but if you want to play one and have fun doing it then roll a gnome.

Well the gnome would have tinkering, so thats something. The clockwork tinkered armor in Veloius has some neat clicky effects, like invisibility, haste, summon throwing item, etc.

Toons are going to take so long to level up, you better pick something you are gonna love over all.

[mimixownzall]

What? Of course you can get rooted and snared with jboots. How absurdly overpowered would it be if one item made you immune to those effects?

Wow, the things people believe...

That was actually classic for a bit. Not sure how long it lasted, but it did used to cancel out root/snare.

[Maelzai]

I meen even if you totally forget about racial abilities Stone or Morrid and thos gloves with 20fr/cr or something like that make any large race by far the best race for a war imo. I want to say there are a few other peices of armor that only large races can use and i cant think of any off the top of my head that large races cant use that are important.

[Mardur]

Stone of Morid is Iksar only.

[Cast]

kunark anyway, who cares thats like over a year away. you have more of a chance to die in that time frame then to worry about a stone of morid..

[ScaryBadAssholes]

kunark anyway, who cares thats like over a year away. you have more of a chance to die in that time frame then to worry about a stone of morid..

When Kunark comes warriors get stun kick at level 55 -- this helps them a lot in pvp.

In Velious all melee are godly in pvp including warriors. This is when many warriors will even start dual wielding in pvp instead of using a 2hander.

[ScaryBadAssholes]

Well the gnome would have tinkering, so thats something. The clockwork tinkered armor in Veloius has some neat clicky effects, like invisibility, haste, summon throwing item, etc.

Toons are going to take so long to level up, you better pick something you are gonna love over all.

Dwarves make some of the best pvp warriors. An ADDITIONAL racial MR bonus - extremely high dex for aggro procs - and good str/sta.

Barrel Rolls.

[Softcore PK]

Is kickstun in kunark classic?

[tmoneynegro]

In Velious all melee are godly in pvp including warriors. This is when many warriors will even start dual wielding in pvp instead of using a 2hander.

More like the opposite.

Kunark dual wield actually outdamages 2h.

Velious dual wield blows compared to 2h.

Less illegal drug use sir.

[ScaryBadAssholes]

Is kickstun in kunark classic?

Yes. Just like rogues get double backstab at 55.

[Crenshinabon]

Velious dual wield blows compared to 2h.


I seem to remember like every melee class in velious using a wurmy and doing really well.

I did not play velious much though.

[Bockscar]

I don't really see what would make Wurmy better in Velious than in Kunark. Melee damage didn't really go up between the two expansions except from better weapons, so in that sense, Wurmy would be better in Kunark than in Velious because it was closer to the comparable 2handers. There aren't that many amazing jousting weapons in Kunark, but they're all over the place in Velious.

[Mardur]

Kunark was very dual wield oriented as far as new weapons. This is why Velious had so many changes to Knight classes including 800 insane 2 handers.

[Ames]

Rolling a warrior on live will take a lot of dedication because solo you are worthless. You should just try and level up asap so you can get yourself some resist gear. If you get caught in an open space by a caster i would suggest running in-till you have some decent gear. Once leveling goes into dungeons you'll have a much easier time face rolling faggots and fat blocking them in corners if you are a large race. The key is to roll with a crew or at-least a class that can root and sow so your ass could get away in-till you have gear and levels.

[Maelzai]

kunark anyway, who cares thats like over a year away. you have more of a chance to die in that time frame then to worry about a stone of morid..

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM
Slot: RANGE
STA: -5
SV FIRE: +30 SV COLD: +30
WT: 7.0 Size: TINY
Class: WAR SHD MNK SHM NEC BST
Race: BAR TRL OGR IKS VAH
Slot 1, Type 7 (General: Group)

unless the stats use to be diff. just saying.

**i quoted the wrong person btw, but yeah its not Iksar only.**

[Mardur]

The item changed over time like 50% of everything in EQ.

January 12 (hey my birthday!) 2002:This item has been updated. Now, the following [races] can use: BAR TRL OGR IKS VAH
The rest of the stats are the same as usual

August 3 2001:This is probably one of the more under-utilised drops. I just got one and I can't imagine being without it. The fact that it's ranged is insane! If this where not Iksar-only, it would be a ToV drop or some other uber zone. Every Iksar over level 40 should have one of these. Nothing is better for dragon/chardok raids (depending on the dragon, obviously)

May 5 2001:the fanatic drops this iksar only item