Level 2 pvp , really?

[Spicy]

There was a good reason PvP wasn't until level 6 on ALL pvp servers, even VZ/TZ on emu.

A level 2 or even a level 5 with 8 level range is ridiculous, and is discouraging player population.

Even with a group of level 3-5's, a level 8 or 9 can demolish them without trying.

This is stupid and should be changed.

[Softcore PK]

There won't always be hordes of people that level to gank you :P

Levels 1-6 are still the easiest anyway, even with all the PKs.

[Spicy]

1 vs 1 a level 3 vs a level 10, yeah I'm sure you need a horde of people to make this rule stupid

[pickled_heretic]

i can see lvl 2-7 being pretty brutal when exp is nerfed :<

[Nirgon]

I'm still in favor of a 4 level range and item loot. 8 levels seems to follow an "encourage pvp" design rather than "with option to pvp".

[dusk883]

The level 2 pvp isn't classic, that's for sure. Wonder what the theory is behind it?

[Softcore PK]

I think in classic, pvp started at level 1 :P

[dusk883]

I think in classic, pvp started at level 1 :P

Big negative.

[Spicy]

always been 6. this is a big reason why the population will not rise, combined with the fact Fish Bait can't pvp alone.

[pickled_heretic]

always been 6. this is a big reason why the population will not rise, combined with the fact Fish Bait can't pvp alone.

welcome to reality, larger and more powerful institutions always crush smaller and weaker opposing institutions.

[Spicy]

that's fine. "crush" the casuals and leave the population at 60, and have your fun wasting your life.

[pickled_heretic]

have your fun wasting your life.

oh boy

[Softcore PK]

Big negative.

I may be wrong, but I did find this:

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20010508.html

[Nirgon]

Everyone less casual than Spicy is a threat to the server. Oh, please. It's tough goings, the end game is a more important matter.

[Eldaran]

anyone complaining seriously would find something else to complain about while playing on a pvp server

[Knuckle]

There was a good reason PvP wasn't until level 6 on ALL pvp servers, even VZ/TZ on emu.

A level 2 or even a level 5 with 8 level range is ridiculous, and is discouraging player population.

Even with a group of level 3-5's, a level 8 or 9 can demolish them without trying.

This is stupid and should be changed.

i admit i was getting the giggles doing some level 2 slaying. But it should definitely be put in place to restrict pvp to within 2 levels at that level range imo till your like level 10+

[Doors]

NOT CLASSIC

[Crenshinabon]

Classic pvp server was definatly level 1 pvp enabled. I remember huge newbie fights at all times.

[Eldaran]

NOT CLASSIC

it is kind of funny that Project1999 stresses classic so hard (even though i have a fucking compass at the top of my screen :mad: ) and Red1999 is just there doing it's own thing.

[pickled_heretic]

Classic pvp server was definatly level 1 pvp enabled. I remember huge newbie fights at all times.

i, too, recall huge newbie fights (particularly in feerrott), but i also distinctly recall grinding periods to get to lvl 5 or whatever to participate in said newbie fights.

[georgie]

omg...q...q..

[georgie]

that's fine. "crush" the casuals and leave the population at 60, and have your fun wasting your life.

its not like it really matters that you die at level 3 by a level 10... grow some balls and man up or camp out and try again tomorrow

[mitic]

There was a good reason PvP wasn't until level 6 on ALL pvp servers, even VZ/TZ on emu.

A level 2 or even a level 5 with 8 level range is ridiculous, and is discouraging player population.

Even with a group of level 3-5's, a level 8 or 9 can demolish them without trying.

This is stupid and should be changed.

yep i have to agree on this. pvp before lvl 5 or 6 is not newbiefriendly and those first few levels are crucial for newcomers to decide if they wana stick around or leave the server

(in before some vztz reject says different)

[Thulack]

always been 6. this is a big reason why the population will not rise, combined with the fact Fish Bait can't pvp alone.

Also add the fact that a majority of people playing on EQ emu don't like pvp.

[mitic]

Also add the fact that a majority of people playing on EQ emu don't like pvp.

this is true, the majority prefers to play blue and love to bitch about a rival guild who tracked and killed a dragon faster than them or collecting millions of plat in ec thinking they accomplished something.

[Rushmore]

play better imo

[Softcore PK]

i admit i was getting the giggles doing some level 2 slaying. But it should definitely be put in place to restrict pvp to within 2 levels at that level range imo till your like level 10+

I like this compromise.

[Darwoth]

in classic pvp started at level 1 and was that way throughout velious, i know since i had a deleveled shadowknight in full skyshrine armor that i used to rock north qeynos with everytime a carebear server crashed.

[Nirgon]

I know cuz brag

[dusk883]

in classic pvp started at level 1 and was that way throughout velious, i know since i had a deleveled shadowknight in full skyshrine armor that i used to rock north qeynos with everytime a carebear server crashed.

On which planet/server was there level 1 pvp?

[Darwoth]

On which planet/server was there level 1 pvp?

rallos zek

[Softcore PK]

I think I remember it being level 1, too..

[dusk883]

On Tallon/Vallon, it was always level 6. Then again, the pvp range was wider, too

[Darwoth]

I know cuz brag

i mentioned my shadowknight as a nod to the fact i had a dedicated newbiekiller that i played as often as my main. not to impress a throng of asslickers with my everquest street cred.

[mitic]

ok then, lets start pvp at lvl 1 and since we want classic for the sake of classic put them books in front of them casters faces till lvl 34, no item linking and no windowed mode.

[XiakenjaTZ]

I tend to agree although it is really only a problem when the server is very new or hopefully will be. Turn it on at 6 or 8 IMO.

[pickled_heretic]

ok then, lets start pvp at lvl 1 and since we want classic for the sake of classic put them books in front of them casters faces till lvl 34, no item linking and no windowed mode.

they said they'd do it all if they knew how, unfortunately...

[Nirgon]

i mentioned my shadowknight as a nod to the fact i had a dedicated newbiekiller that i played as often as my main. not to impress a throng of asslickers with my everquest street cred.

Blatantly what you were trying to do here :rolleyes:

[dusk883]

he's saying that after he got murdered with his "main", he'd log in his alt with level advantage over the typical newb and would "win" that way instead is all.

[Softcore PK]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010818131101/http://eq.castersrealm.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=3492

And Vallon and Tallon both existed in 1999.

[Nirgon]

No.. I think Darwoth was fairly respected, I'm just giving him shit.

[dusk883]

bottom line, when you hit lvl 2, you do like SHATNER and sing IRON MAN... it's ON:

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=672388&GT1=28103

[Darwoth]

ok then, lets start pvp at lvl 1 and since we want classic for the sake of classic put them books in front of them casters faces till lvl 34, no item linking and no windowed mode.

oh no what would i do if i couldnt blueb it up with linked items and had to look at a spellbook for the first 2% of my characters lifespan, i surely will miss windowed mode and constantly misclicking the blue bar and fucking my screen all up though.

[Deli]

in before some redtard says different

Fixed.

I witnessed a nub get gang tackled into a dirtnap, ask /ooc if the "pvp protection buff was working" then log out after.
Telling someone to log out and try later who is level 2 on a server that will wipe the character eventually anyway = back to blue99 where they can accomplish something.
The pops at the time of this post, blue: 457 ; red: 186.

I think these numbers will get pretty considerably closer to each other when the real deal is released and stress is worth it.

[Nirgon]

Some people don't want to play EQ classic, they want to play easy mode EQ in the old zones to feel good about themselves.


Staring at spell book? How's that for your caster advantage?

I think if they quit over that at low level, they'd quit over it at high level too, no difference really imo.

[Tillan]

Suggestions, since I'll be playing on actual red99 no matter how messed up beta is:

-PvP starts level 6, because this is a NO TEAMS server, a range of - / + 8 is way too much. Lower the range to - / + 4. Dynamic level range is brilliant, mad props to the devs on that.

-Boxing shouldn't be in at all, but since it is, it should be limited to 2 per IP during Beta. Anymore is lame. People aren't testing shit anyway, 90% are griefing with 4 mages.

[JayDee]

There was a good reason PvP wasn't until level 6 on ALL pvp servers, even VZ/TZ on emu.

A level 2 or even a level 5 with 8 level range is ridiculous, and is discouraging player population.

Even with a group of level 3-5's, a level 8 or 9 can demolish them without trying.

This is stupid and should be changed.

This is how it was on live until like velious or some shit. Sorry to inform you

[Goobles]

On which planet/server was there level 1 pvp?

Rallos Zek/ VZ / TZ back in 99-2000.

I remember this patch note as well.

[Goobles]

-Boxing shouldn't be in at all, but since it is, it should be limited to 2 per IP during Beta. Anymore is lame. People aren't testing shit anyway, 90% are griefing with 4 mages.


Truth.

[hotstud]

PvP in classic started at 1. I remember playing a DE Nec and immediately attacking someone after making my character and he started shouting, "OMG PK, SAME RACE KILLER" or some bullshit. That's my first memory of EQ PvP on Rallos.

[Jerin]

always been 6. this is a big reason why the population will not rise, combined with the fact Fish Bait can't pvp alone.

you sir clearly did not play on early pvp servers

the opening of Tallon Zek saw EC filled with Dark elves and Humans fighting at lvl 1


now that i think about it, they may have changed it to 6, however those first hours of TZ was lvl 1

[Thulack]

Rallos Zek/ VZ / TZ back in 99-2000.

I remember this patch note as well.

May 8, 2001 3:00 am
------------------------------

** PvP changes **

We have made the first of our upcoming changes to the PvP aspects of
EverQuest:

- Consider: /Consider will only have three results when used to
consider a Player Character. The character will show as 'green' if he
is below the range that allows you to attack him. The character will
show as 'white/black' if he is within your ability to attack. And the
character will show as 'red' if he is above your range. This will only
take effect on PvP servers.

- Sanctuary Levels: Characters below level six will not be able to
engage in PvP combat, unless they take part in a Guild War, duel or use
the Arena. This will, obviously, only take place on PvP servers.


From http://everquest.allakhazam.com/history/patches-2001-1.html

[Palemoon]

Maybe we should get rid of the safe zones at level 1 then too. Can't say I see much difference between pvp at lvl 1 or 2.

Seems like this is only really for invulerable traders in the cities? Not needed, let trust and reputation be your guide.... or become notorious when you insist on some last minute negotiations with the person you've met to trade with, that end in his unfortunate death...

Just make it classic IMO, remove the safe zones and the lvl 1 immunity thing.

Its a problem now because its "beta" and everyone is being stupid with their boxes and toons named "Fuck".

[juicedsixfo]

Just make it classic IMO, remove the safe zones and the lvl 1 immunity thing.

If it was classic guards would assist and you'd take faction hits for killing your own kind.

[Palemoon]

If it was classic guards would assist and you'd take faction hits for killing your own kind.

The faction hits for killing your own kind was not 1999 rallos.

edit: But I do agree that faction in general needs to be fixed, guards, GM trainers, etc. need to help whoever they have higher faction with when they see people fighting. This is a very important thing.

[Nirgon]

Considering the # of boxes logged in, maybe that actual pop number is lower bros.

[Tombom]

Wow the tears are falling heavy. Sac up blueballs

[il Siciliano]

Ya I rage quit at level 4 because I got bind camped at spawn point near guard. I couldn't believe it wasn't level a 6 min. Thought it was. And PvP range should probably be 6 as well...Crying and quitting for Gears 3 aint bad :-) haha

[Softcore PK]

8 level range always worked for me on live. And yes, they should make it like 2 levels until you get to 10 or so.

[C5BAMF]

I'd like to see pvp begin at Level 1. Players know what they are walking into the moment the choose the server, why introduce complications?

[WizardEQ]

Getting to higher lvls is not bad at all. When beta's over there might be a lot more bitching but people would have played through it once and be fine IMO.

Honestly, I thought having it start at lvl 2 would be a bitch and I did get smacked right away, but I was ok with it. Chocolate ganked me thrice right off the bat but it got me to rethink my gameplay quite a bit and I'm actually thankful he did that.

The -+8 lvl is pretty tough, maybe it could be -+6 lvls to make it a bit more fair. But I haven't thought about that much.

I'd like to know who of you are playing the pure evil DE necro that will just fuck with everyone in their group or the knight in shining armor that will seek vengeance on the perpetual corpse/bind camper ganking unsuspecting newbs 12 lvls below. Seems like rep is basically all we have on this server.

[Atmas]

Lols, I think in the server annoucement News Rogean said that lvl 1's would be flagged for PvP outside of city zones. Also in the list of non functioning aspects atm was that lvl 1s wouldnt be PvP flagged for PvP in cities. I didnt test it but it sounds like PvP begins at lvl 1.

[Thakisis_VZ]

pvp on classic live started lvl 8, i think so

[Clyve]

The faction hits for killing your own kind was not 1999 rallos.

edit: But I do agree that faction in general needs to be fixed, guards, GM trainers, etc. need to help whoever they have higher faction with when they see people fighting. This is a very important thing.

Everything about this post is truth.

PLEASE get the guard faction working. I want to attack Erudites.

[Chronoburn]

This lowbie pvp helps me afford the spells.

[dusk883]

^ so hardcore

[Rust1d?]

pvp started at 6 because fansy the bard ran around training SG's at 5 and could not be attacked. I think the same should be here.

[mitic]

pvp started at 6 because fansy the bard ran around training SG's at 5 and could not be attacked. I think the same should be here.

with the difference that youll get banned here for training

[beentheredonethat]

8 levels seems like a very huge range.... thats 2 spell level tiers...

[Sirken]

Fact: in october of 99 on vallon zek, a lvl 8 could murder lvl 1

because i did it with my mage. i hung around kaladim invis and snuck up on lvl 1 dwarfs to one shot them until i replaced my ganked greater lightstone :p

[Tombom]

Fact: in october of 99 on vallon zek, a lvl 8 could murder lvl 1

because i did it with my mage. i hung around kaladim invis and snuck up on lvl 1 dwarfs to one shot them until i replaced my ganked greater lightstone :p

sirken known closet griefer