Blue Perspective

[Ryba]

I want to come to red99. I started playing live about 2 months before Kunark, so I missed almost all of the level 50 endgame, plus I was always intrigued by the idea of adding PvP to the mix.

But as I read the forums I see a clique of raging neckbeard tryhards that are treating the coming of red99 like it is the missing fourth piece of their life's puzzle after masturbation, microwavable food and conspiracy theories. I know literally nobody who is posting here and I immediately hate almost all of you. From a blue perspective, the group clamoring the loudest for and about red99 sound like human cancer.

I see people here bragging about accomplishments that I would be embarrassed to even remember. The more intimidating you think you're being, the sadder you actually sound and the more repellent you are to blues thinking about participating. Not because you are scary, but because you care so much. You are not admired or feared by casuals. You are just avoided.

Short version: These forums make red99 sound like it has prenatal cancer with a side of Asperger's. You realize you NEED well-played casuals, both to put a pulse in a raid slot and to have someone to be better than? Be less repulsive. Start by toning down the caring.

Also, if there are any red99-bound guilds or players who lurk this mb but mostly eschew it, I would love to get in touch via pm or a post. I'm looking for a crowd of people who do not routinely spew vitriol on internet messageboards, roleplay, get drunk expressly to play EQ, and have not experienced the majority of their relationships as disembodied voices over vent.

[Harrison]

You're going to find that most of the ingame population is as sad as they appear on the forums if not moreso because they can now grief to fulfill their shortcomings IRL.

It's pvp. It attracts the lowest common denominator of human filth. It is no different in any mmorpg, ever.

OOC is filled with shit like, "gnomes are like little jews", "****** ****** ****** ******", etc.

You just ignore it. It sounds like you can't handle the internet in either case and not just pvp.

[valithteezee]

If you're looking to make friends this post probably isn't a good start.

[Sirken]

Ryba, in my experience i've noticed that the most vocal forum posters make up a very small amount of the population.. the rest of the population doesn't post because they dont feel like dealing with the bullshit that follows.

if you dont like the language, i believe theres a bad word filter, and if you don't like a particular player, i suggest using /ignore

just don't judge the entire server based on a dozen or so forum posters.

good luck!

[Nerfbat]

Ryba I'll be your friend. But I don't play that much... you're on your own still...

[Nirgon]

If you aren't getting run off the server, they aren't having fun. If they're getting run off, they cry for a wipe based on an exploit that they shared. Pretty good system really to protect their "we won legit" image.

Just use /ignore and try to meet the normal people. GL.

[juicedsixfo]

This is why global ooc is terrible. Luckily, it's only in for beta.

[Nirgon]

Seems like most of the things this vztz crowd suggested was a bad idea to keep a server going. lol, duh.

Now before you all get 50 on live, can we discuss item loot? Or is the lvl 20 twink in full resist gear going to be going around lawling his brains out griefing?

/side with Nilbog on item loot, a nay to the vztz's.

[Atmas]

Heres the deal: PvP is for people who like competing directly with other players. This includes a wide range of play styles and mentalities but there is only one server. It's kind of like lumping together everyone who plays a sport into one category. You got a range of people who go bowling every other Thursday to MMA fighters.

Oh and since the invention of the internet the lowest common denominator of any group of people have been the most vocal on forums.

[Crenshinabon]

I honestly dont see all this bad behavior and shit. If anything the vztz crew trashes each other. Its rare to see someone just talk complete trash to some noob unless the noob started shit first really. . .

[Nirgon]

Not all of them are trash, but most of this EQ pvp herd that goes from server to server is human waste.

[Massive Marc]

I thought it was really great to see Rogean banning two people within the first hour for hacking.

Looking forward to copying my char over.

See you guys on the battlefield.

[Softcore PK]

I want to come to red99. I started playing live about 2 months before Kunark, so I missed almost all of the level 50 endgame, plus I was always intrigued by the idea of adding PvP to the mix.

But as I read the forums I see a clique of raging neckbeard tryhards that are treating the coming of red99 like it is the missing fourth piece of their life's puzzle after masturbation, microwavable food and conspiracy theories. I know literally nobody who is posting here and I immediately hate almost all of you. From a blue perspective, the group clamoring the loudest for and about red99 sound like human cancer.

I see people here bragging about accomplishments that I would be embarrassed to even remember. The more intimidating you think you're being, the sadder you actually sound and the more repellent you are to blues thinking about participating. Not because you are scary, but because you care so much. You are not admired or feared by casuals. You are just avoided.

Short version: These forums make red99 sound like it has prenatal cancer with a side of Asperger's. You realize you NEED well-played casuals, both to put a pulse in a raid slot and to have someone to be better than? Be less repulsive. Start by toning down the caring.

Also, if there are any red99-bound guilds or players who lurk this mb but mostly eschew it, I would love to get in touch via pm or a post. I'm looking for a crowd of people who do not routinely spew vitriol on internet messageboards, roleplay, get drunk expressly to play EQ, and have not experienced the majority of their relationships as disembodied voices over vent.

Hi Ryba! I am very glad to see that you have an interest in Red99. We need all the people that we can get! :P

It's very understandable that you have concerns about the red playerbase, as you're probably used to a less competitive/aggressive/"in your face" gaming experience. But for you to post here to tell us that you hate us and are a human cancer is very abrasive and rude. I don't think you've even made an attempt to understand us, or where we are coming from. This is a game, and we happen to play it a little differently, which is actually a good thing. Variety is the spice of MMO life.

What you see here is mostly joking around. I seriously doubt many people are trying to intimidate their fellow players out of logging in, that would be silly and counter-productive. Have you ever played fighting games with your friends? I really enjoy playing SSBB, and when I tell my friend, "You just got kicked in the fucking face, bitch!" it's because that's part of the fun of playing those sorts of games.

We have some enemies that we really, really dislike here. And usually for good reason. Very few of us, though, are the people you have described. The hardcore players are pretty much the same hardcore players on blue. The only difference is that they can use their hardcore advantages to kill you. Are you afraid of dying in a video game? You were actually very unclear on what it is you dislike about us, opting instead to attack us personally.

I'm a casual pvp player, and I have been for many years. The situation was bad on VZTZ because the population was so low, and the people that were aware of the server were largely from a hardcore background. Here I expect things to be a lot different, and this is mostly because this is a P99 effort. They have a wonderful community, and now they can experience the joys of everquest pvp if they haven't before. When it comes down to it, we're the ones that decide if a casual approach to a pvp server is viable. If we want for it to happen, we have to help make it happen. Complaining about the hardcore raiders will not make them go away.

To be honest, you seem to be the childish one, coming here with a chip on your shoulder and your *GRR* face on. If you can't handle a little competitive trash talk in a video game or message board, maybe you should consider anger management. If you are able to change your attitude a little I think a anti-pk guild would be a good fit for you. Since you really don't like us all that much, why not work to kill us? It could be you purging norrath of scum like me, instead of the other way around.

I really hope you're trolling :P

[pickled_heretic]

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surprisingly articulate for a tryhard neckbeard

since when is being a tryhard an insult? putting effort behind an attempt at something is worthy of rebuke?

no wonder the world is a shithole

[Nirgon]

I thought it was really great to see Rogean banning two people within the first hour for hacking.


Lol can't believe someone was that stupid.

[Pudge]

get drunk expressly to play EQ

you caught me

[Chronoburn]

get drunk expressly to play EQ

Classic pvp is directly related to this.

[dusk883]

I honestly dont see all this bad behavior and shit. If anything the vztz crew trashes each other. Its rare to see someone just talk complete trash to some noob unless the noob started shit first really. . .

Sounds like back in the day for live teams servers, the boards certainly didn't reflect what was actually going on in the game that I saw.

[Ryba]

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I'm not trolling. I FELT trolled when I posted the thread after reading around on here. I never accused anyone of being childish, so sure, I'll be the childish one. I accused people of being repellent adults playing a children's game.

Tryhard/blowhard accusation can apply to anything. It just means someone is obsessive and not in a productive way.

I can recognize good natured trash talk. I can also recognize an inner circle of people who I really don't want to play with based on what I've read. I find this discouraging, but I will still give it an attempt. It seems like one lunch table is shitting on the whole cafeteria. When corrosive, dominant personalities start pulling the puppet strings in major guilds, whole servers are affected.

You sound like you are not cancerous scum, so I'm not sure why you felt targeted by my post. I'm sorry if I came on strong, I'm just hoping for a good experience and seeing evidence that makes me anticipate a not so good one.

Atmas: I liked the sports analogy. But I want to bowl some Thursdays and play in the NBA finals on others. I'm worried this niche won't exist on red99.

Thanks everyone for responding. I'm sorry if you actually do have a neckbeard or you categorize yourself as a tryhard. Nothing personal.

[Dalem]

I never played on a pvp server in eq but I have in everyother mmo I have played. I think the pvp adds a fun mix in this game and from playing opening night I'd say I'm hooked. I would say if your good at making friends and can brush off insults it is a great atmosphere to play in. The caveat here is that if you take what is said or the actions done to seriously then you will not have a good time. So my suggestion to you is if the things you see on the boards bother you I would just stay away from the server. Good luck on your endeavours -Unleashe

[Softcore PK]

I would really like to see red99 guilds created and populated by blue players. This would be best.

And I felt targeted because many of my eq friends/old guildmates are the sorts of people you attacked in your op. They're not bad, they just like messing around.

[Billbike]

I hope some of you blue players will stay. Although I believe there are more than enough red players to sustain red99.

You will either convert or be butt hurt like OP.

PVP is fun. I just hope that y'all have enough sense to see humor and not just insults from us VZTZers. True pvp doesnt happen at lvl 2, this is just beta. Dont judge PVP from the last 2 days.

[add294]

As someone who played classic EQ but never PVP i am loving this server right now. I have died at the hands of another player far more times then i have a killed a player but the difficulty that PVP adds to the game makes me feel so much more immersed in the world. I rolled a halfling and i have to strategically use Hide for example, just to get through some zones, or retrieve a corpse. I am thinking in ways i would never think on a blue server. And the community as a whole, will kill you without hesitation, but not one person has been insulting towards me or corpse camped me.

They will kill you if the opportunity arises, but not in a way that makes you not want to log in again. At least for me in this small sample size.

The forums really don't do the actual play experience justice.

[Aenor]

I have ooc turned off... not one intelligent word having been thus far uttered.

[Ryba]

The point is that the militant douchiness of a lot of the forum chatter here is not attracting new PvPers. It would be hard for me to be butthurt since I can't even remember my limited, decade old PvP experience on EQ. This also makes it hard for me to deliver credible criticism on PvP. However, I can criticize what I see here, and that is the unfortunate potential for red99 to be a screaming clusterfuck of personality disorders, whining and cheating. When we were all 14 it was cute but now I have to imagine the sad adult man on the other end of the line, and that might actually be depressing enough to make me not try.

I realize nothing I've said in this thread is going to make anyone like me, but hopefully I am directing some attention to the fact that a healthy server population is everything. You might think bluebies are spoon-fed tards but you need them more than they need you.

[Aenor]

I couldn't agree with you more. VZTZ had players with massive self esteem issues. When you think about how utterly non-legit the entire project was, how could anyone claim their accomplishments meant anything? But it means everything to a sad group of individuals that enjoy hearing themselves talk.

[Hasbinbad]

a sad group of individuals that enjoy hearing themselves talk.
<A Sad Group Of Individuals That Enjoy Hearing Themselves Talk>

[Humerox]

The point is that the militant douchiness of a lot of the forum chatter here is not attracting new PvPers.

I think if you log in and play, you'll find that even in beta, the douchebags are the exception, not the rule. The forums are not indicative of what happens in-game, and it applies to red as well as blue servers.

It's very important to seek out and find like-minded people a LOT earlier than blue, however...or the experience will be frustrating and painful.

[Billbike]

Bottom Line: PVP is not for everyone.

I personally can't see playing any other way. I have always killed mobs to get loots, so I could kill players better with. I can't see killing mobs to get loots just to kill mobs better.

The guys from these forums are good fellas. There is more humor in what they say than insult.

Being condescending isn't going to serve you well. Stop judging and log in and kill the people you don't like. That's the beauty of PvP.

[Palemoon]

Get rid of global /ooc before we lose more perspective players for red99.

Global /ooc is letting the VZTZ people amplify their crap and giving the wrong impression to new players.

[Eldaran]

Get rid of global /ooc before we lose more perspective players for red99.

Global /ooc is letting the VZTZ people amplify their crap and giving the wrong impression to new players.

It's just beta... anyone who is playing right now is an elite few who are following Project 1999 to begin with. Once it releases I'm hoping the word will spread and get more people to join and the /ooc won't be global. The people i met in Nektulos last night were actually pretty cool and not forum mouthbreathers like is being displayed here. THey are the minority believe it or not. Enjoy the active chat channels while they are still there.

[Billbike]

Can you just /leave 1?

If not, make it a chat channel, like an auction chat. So that those who choose, can just leave it.

The need to brag, or inform the server of who ran away, gated, or plugged will always be in demand.

As for the hate towards VZTZ: without VZTZ, there would be NO r99.
We supported PvP, y'all abandoned it, only to just now jump on the bandwagon.

[georgie]

DONT PLAY THEN CUZ I DONT WANT U 2

[Aenor]

Get rid of global /ooc before we lose more perspective players for red99.

Global /ooc is letting the VZTZ people amplify their crap and giving the wrong impression to new players.

/signed

[Wonton]

You're going to find that most of the ingame population is as sad as they appear on the forums if not moreso because they can now grief to fulfill their shortcomings IRL.

It's pvp. It attracts the lowest common denominator of human filth. It is no different in any mmorpg, ever.

OOC is filled with shit like, "gnomes are like little jews", "****** ****** ****** ******", etc.

You just ignore it. It sounds like you can't handle the internet in either case and not just pvp.


Harrison, if PVP attracts "the lowest common denominator of human filth," then why the fuck are you trolling around in the forums? What do you do all day? Is forum browsing a professional career these days? The tone in your reply matches your avatar... sad, lonely, and drunk. pls gtfo

[dusk883]

Harrison, if PVP attracts "the lowest common denominator of human filth," then why the fuck are you trolling around in the forums? What do you do all day? Is forum browsing a professional career these days? The tone in your reply matches your avatar... sad, lonely, and drunk. pls gtfo

IMO enjoy the guy, the anger is fascinating yes?

[pickled_heretic]

keep ooc for the beta but moderate the shit out of it once every few hours and pass out 3 day bans for infractions.

[Palemoon]

keep ooc for the beta but moderate the shit out of it once every few hours and pass out 3 day bans for infractions.

And 100 percent remove it for launch. /ooc encourages the wrong kind of pvp, the kind that is for epeen and not in game reasons.

Like someone mentioned in another thread, VZTZ was all about getting to 50 asap and then randomly ganking for the rest of the servers life.

That is the opposite of what we want here. And having /ooc makes that harder to bring about.

I want to be immersed, not listen to how you are currently teabagging a dirty ******'s corpse who is too afraid to fight you again nakid.

[Harrison]

Harrison, if PVP attracts "the lowest common denominator of human filth," then why the fuck are you trolling around in the forums? What do you do all day? Is forum browsing a professional career these days? The tone in your reply matches your avatar... sad, lonely, and drunk. pls gtfo

Rage more.

[Nirgon]

Troll the forums with w/e but the in game stuff shouldnt be a spammed highlight reel of retardation.

Imagine giving everyone the power to globally GM broadcast whatever they wanted on 99 blue. You wouldn't do that would you? I'd even remove it from the beta.