How do you avoid getting ganked by mages?

[kobexbloo]

Not gonna QQ, but I am just curious how you people are leveling, I have been level 6 forever, getting mowed over by the same duos, trios of mages; gnomes and high elves.

Perhaps it's a bit hard since at this level people are still able to summon yellow pets that keep you perma-rooted.

Is this just a hump kinda thing I gotta get over? Do I have to bring friends from Blue? Will mages be able to kill me so easily forever? If so, why doesn't everybody just make a mage.

I'm a rogue, and I really want to play a rogue, but I just get raped every time I am killing mobs, it just sucks a bit that I haven't had the opportunity to get high enough to even train backstab, LOL.

I understand that it's a PVP server, and I am still enjoying myself, despite these setbacks.

[valithteezee]

I'm a rogue too man, you just gotta roll with friends. Use your sneak/hide(if they don't have invis) and just play conservative until you get stronger. Despite the rogue bashing that goes on, when we get poisons you can slice and dice casters.

[Dojii]

grouping is your best option
and zone awareness. if they are in your xp area sneak off somewhere else what city are u in btw?

[pickled_heretic]

mage gank squads are brutal, especially since this is a beta and everyone wants to just fuck around. find friends, find an obscure spot to grind, or learn to enjoy getting fucked in the ass with no reacharound, those are the only options you have.

[kobexbloo]

grouping is your best option
and zone awareness. if they are in your xp area sneak off somewhere else what city are u in btw?

Kelethin! This place is full of gnomes who will kill you then brag about spells they bought with the gold on your corpse.

[pickled_heretic]

Kelethin! This place is full of gnomes who will kill you then brag about spells they bought with the gold on your corpse.

i've found that pretty generally gnomes are pks. it seems like every gnome has the same idea to grind elves in gfay for money to buy spells

[Sprinkle]

im a wizard and let me tell you in a 1 on 1 mage is dying

he uses his root pet to keep me there , but im not running

he nukes for nominal dmg i nuke for truckloads

after 1 nuke he tries to run , and does not make it

[Harrison]

I've paid for all of my spells by shitcocking wudan and their terrible gnome "ganksquad" in kelethin.

I'd like to thank "Cozmonaut" for personally supplying me with upwards of 2pp alone and many QQs for hours in ooc.

[Maurk]

Be extra friendly, and apologize to your attackers when you don't need to.
/plead before you get attacked always works
You will gain respect.

Begging for mercy, and spamming /y (yell for help) is also very helpful to survive as a rogue.

P.S. Just surrender your plats and loot to avoid getting pwnt initially, and tell some funny jokes, and surely you will have friends, and be left alone.

[Atmas]

i've found that pretty generally gnomes are pks. it seems like every gnome has the same idea to grind elves in gfay for money to buy spells

Well seeing as how you can level and do all you need to in the Akanon area you know what gnomes who come to Gfay are looking to do.

[Nirgon]

Mages weren't so bad in 1999 as I remember it. The pet didn't cast a root but rather an earthquake type spell that did shitty damage. With their current root proc, it will be rough. Luckily, I think you can get upwards of 60 magic resist and it shouldn't get you.

[Yinikren]

The gnome gank squad is amusing, however what was annoying was the 4 level 8+ Gnome casters sitting on the bind point in steamfont.

[Crenshinabon]

Its mostly a pain at lower levels for melee since no one has resist yet. Just use your rogue skills to avoid them. Hunt in corners, behind trees, hide and sneak away if need be. Also remember pets do not zone.

And earth pets have always rooted as far as I know.

[Nirgon]

Nope, casted some kind of earthquake type spell. The root was a change.

That's why the wizzie I had shit on mages long enough. The only one who really got me was Beisser/Finastik. The sow'd + MR'd pet, the ice debuff + lava bolt... shit hurt so bad it was like insta die almost.

[Daemrius]

I just take it ... bent over, for now

[Bockscar]

Earth pet appears to cast its root too often. It should not be able to innately perma-root a target infinitely. It would proc its root (which seems to last too long here btw) at a rate not too far from how often any given melee character would proc with a weapon. Being permanently rooted just because a mage sent his pet on you is certainly not among my memories of classic PvP, and while mages were always a strong early-game class and are harsh when you don't have any resists, there was no phenomenon of mages automatically getting guaranteed, unavoidable kills on anyone they could target and do /pet attack on. I just witnessed a single mage pet keep myself and my buddy rooted at the same time for a good while. That is definitely not classic.

[Nirgon]

It proc'd the right amount on 99 blue, probably not different where you are. It takes barely any magic resist above the norm to resist that. You should be getting *some* resists even with no magic resist buffs/gear.

It is definitely classic that it should be murdering you with roots with no MR gear.

(here we go with the coming WoW Arena Forum QQing about classes)

[pickled_heretic]

It proc'd the right amount on 99 blue, probably not different where you are. It takes barely any magic resist above the norm to resist that. You should be getting *some* resists even with no magic resist buffs/gear.

the proc rate is probably fine (technically it's not proccing it's actually casting a spell/ability that does not require it to be in melee) but the resist rate is clearly not, as i said in another thread a blue con earth pet will root you in place for the entire time he is on you and for quite a long period after he has been pulled off. i mean i mezzed an earth pet that was on me and i was rooted for practically the entire 24 second duration of my mez on the earth pet.

[pickled_heretic]

It is definitely classic that it should be murdering you with roots with no MR gear.


if only player cast roots on blue cons worked like that...

[Bockscar]

I don't care about the resists, just the fact that earth pets appear to proc something like every eight seconds or some shit. That should not happen. Mages should not be able to keep several people rooted by sending their pet back and forth between targets.

[Nirgon]

Well, you need to do testing in the arena with resists on spells with varying degrees of magic resist and determine what was classic.

Guys like Lethdar and Kringe actually know what they're talking about, not Johnny_Forum_QQ'r_01.

Part of this is that, yeah, the pvp in this game is unbalanced. You have to deal with that. Terrible and ridiculous things will happen with and without resist gear. There's also huge swings when characters get certain items. Some epics are better for pvp than others. You have to accept this coming in. Being perma rooted with no magic resist buffs/mr gear is part of the game.

[pickled_heretic]

Well, you need to do testing in the arena with resists on spells with varying degrees of magic resist and determine what was classic.

Guys like Lethdar and Kringe actually know what they're talking about, not Johnny_Forum_QQ'r_01.

Part of this is that, yeah, the pvp in this game is unbalanced. You have to deal with that. Terrible and ridiculous things will happen with and without resist gear. There's also huge swings when characters get certain items. Some epics are better for pvp than others. You have to accept this coming in. Being perma rooted with no magic resist buffs/mr gear is part of the game.

i played a gnomage on a pvp server, i can tell you firsthand that even at level 8 attacking a blue con naked n00bie elf my earth pet could not keep a player rooted 100% of the time.

one of the mages that ganked me last night even said that he felt that mages were broken. earth pet roots should not have higher resistance penetration than higher level players who cast root.

i would wager to say that this was some obscure change done some time ago on p1999 to balance the earth pets taht needs to be changed when it comes to players.

[Lazortag]

Mages weren't so bad in 1999 as I remember it. The pet didn't cast a root but rather an earthquake type spell that did shitty damage.

Pretty sure this is wrong, but if you have evidence of this I'm sure you can get it changed.

[Nirgon]

I'm not saying they should be casting that earthquake type spell now. Leave the pet root in. I am just saying the reason that many true classic players didn't remember mages being as harsh was because of this.

The real issue at hand is later how resists will truely work on a broad spectrum and for that matter hits/ac/interrupts in pvp too. The rest of the server is already very solid pve/scripting/quest-wise, with epics this will be a thing of real awesome.

[pickled_heretic]

Pretty sure this is wrong, but if you have evidence of this I'm sure you can get it changed.

it was definitely the same root it has today, only difference was back on classic the root would rarely last past the next tick if it landed.

[Nirgon]

True, I remember the root having a pretty short duration. Like 3 seconds? I think? Though I do remember it being possible for it to perma root someone, but maybe not 100% of the time...

Just get a pair of 7mr bracers, a shielding spell that gives MR or an endure magic and you're fine.

[Eldaran]

it was definitely the same root it has today, only difference was back on classic the root would rarely last past the next tick if it landed.

I'm trying really hard to remember myself but I'm inclined to lean with the same root spell since i remember the green bubble spell effects from release.

[Nirgon]

I think the proc was like soandso stumbles.. something like that on the mage earth pet quake.

[pickled_heretic]

Just get a pair of 7mr bracers, a shielding spell that gives MR or an endure magic and you're fine.

that's assuming that another 20 mr is going to help you. a single root without recasting lasted 24 seconds on me. keep in mind that these guys recast their root once every 10 seconds or so.

or, we could fix the root, that would work too

[Nirgon]

Yeah but at a certain point you're going to resist it 99.9% on the time and when it does land it will last maybe 1 tick. This is at like 70mr.

Let's avoid changing things based on lvl 8 or gearless experiences.

[pickled_heretic]

Yeah but at a certain point you're going to resist it 99.9% on the time and when it does land it will last maybe 1 tick. This is at like 70mr.


and you know this because?

why doesn't the player cast root work the same way? i was chain casting root on a naked blue con PC last night and it resisted 5/6 times.

[pickled_heretic]

Let's avoid changing things based on lvl 8 or gearless experiences.

how about instead, we fix shit that is obviously broken and not classic

[Pudge]

wow the qq has really begun already

[Nirgon]

wow the qq has really begun already

2 people banned for cheating I read, already screaming about cc spells.

Diminishing returns and 100% resists on cc were classic. Wtf. /troll off

[pickled_heretic]

Diminishing returns and 100% resists on cc were classic. Wtf. /troll off

cool, then we both agree that mage pets right now are not classic, i'm glad we could come to an understanding.

[Nirgon]

They cast root, do appropriate damage, heal at the right rate, people have no resists. Seems right to me.

Is root broken also? Sucks that you can get locked down so bad by it, must not be classic.

[pickled_heretic]

must not be classic.

you're right, thanks, let's get this changed ASAP

[Nirgon]

you're right, thanks, let's get this changed ASAP

Add arenas and pvp gear too.

[pickled_heretic]

Add arenas and pvp gear too.

why add arenas? you can pvp everywhere :?

[Nirgon]

Cuz, this is a pvp server emulated off of balance and what is fair aka classic. Also, I like WoW a whole lot. Mostly because the devs are required to listen to my whining and complaints about balance or they will lose subs. Great game.

[dusk883]

Cuz, this is a pvp server emulated off of balance and what is fair aka classic. Also, I like WoW a whole lot. Mostly because the devs are required to listen to my whining and complaints about balance or they will lose subs. Great game.

with over 10 million paid customers, I doubt they are required to do anything. Just IMHO.

[pickled_heretic]

Cuz, this is a pvp server emulated off of balance and what is fair aka classic. Also, I like WoW a whole lot.

never played wow, i wouldn't know :<

but, making earth pet root last for <6 seconds ala classic isn't going going to trigger the wowpocalypse like you seem to be suggesting...

[Nirgon]

with over 10 million paid customers, I doubt they are required to do anything. Just IMHO.

Counting internet cafes and people with multiple accounts. I'm sure that is a valid number for the number of people actually playing (10mil in Cata lawls).

[dusk883]

Counting internet cafes and people with multiple accounts. I'm sure that is a valid number for the number of people actually playing (10mil in Cata lawls).


If it was 1 million, I don't think they'll be concerned or required to listen to anything you have to say, again just IMHO

[Nirgon]

I haven't said anything to them, so likely they haven't listened to the nothing I've had to say.

And yes it bends to QQ'ers and people threatening to desub if they don't get their homogenized classes and free loots.

[Yinikren]

That 10mil advertised in commercials is the number of total accounts ever subscribed, not active players. Wow has 1-2 mil players atm, if that.