Clean pixels ONLY on red99 beta

[Salty]

Should blue's get to copy their kunark loot over?

Should we 10x xp and lvl 1-50?

[Silikten]

it's not our choice pal. update is posted. just deal with it...plus it seems good by me

[canardvc]

Clean pixels for proper testing


it's not our choice pal. update is posted. just deal with it...
Nothing's transfered yet

[Salty]

unclean pixels

[Harrison]

irony of salty talking about clean pixels is off the fucking charts

[Salty]

all my pixels are clean son.

come at me, red99

[Amuk]

can beta test my 48 ogre war with exe axe vs epic mages DECENT.

[Harrison]

You and your guild never crashed fear to your advantage, right?

Clean pixels, indeed.

[Amuk]

or maybe epics arn't out, either way start it fresh !

[Salty]

You and your guild never crashed fear to your advantage, right?

Clean pixels, indeed.

You've never pvp'd against me in fear. I was in vent the whole time.

If I told someone to crash fear, there would be a recording of it.


I had like 80 people in vent channel bro. come at my clean pixels.

[Smedy]

who was harrison on vztz

also i don't give a shit if bluebies get free toons on the BETA they aint gettin shit besides gettin shit ON when the real server comes out anyway

[Bockscar]

Gear shouldn't transfer. There's really no point testing PvP mechanics and resists in an environment where people can wear Kunark gear in the old world. It's one thing to let level 60s transfer - could even let 60s transfer with their gear if it's made no-drop - but what we definitely don't need is a factor so important as the itemization to skew the test results for an era where that gear won't be available.

A lot of the test results will come from regular old PvP. People will level to 50 in a couple of days, get some of the easier gear, and start duking it out. Nobody will be interested in taking turns casting root on eachother in a peaceful environment for several weeks, we need people to play for fun and simulate actual PvP combat. That'll be pointless if some joker can transfer his fungi, t-staff, ebon mace, sbs and other random bullshit over and stick it on a level 50 char to run around with.

If people can't have a classic environment to test PvP in, interest will drop like a rock after the first week. There's just no point bringing Kunark items into the picture. If people want to PvP for lulz on their transfered level 60s, they can do that while the rest of us test things that will actually be possible in the server's first year. We'll only get the best results if it isn't fucked up from the beginning, though.

[Bockscar]

btw your poll fails, you don't post the questions as poll options...

[Amuk]

IMO 20x exp and no transfers, should be obv - boxing is nice tho

[Rexxin]

Voted yes for proper testing (dont have a p99 toon) the more test results he can take the faster Live will be Live if he has to wait for all of us to gear up to get proper testing done Live wont be for months and months,

[Goraxx]

Clean shiny pixels. No blue taint.

[Salty]

btw your poll fails, you don't post the questions as poll options...

come at me

[Amuk]

The more I think about this I doubt I'll even bother playing beta if theres decked 60s runnen around, with only old world open - you'd have to level to 60 in oldworld with shit gear? Or fight 60's with Kunark gear at 50 with classic shit? I don't get it how this could work.

[Knuckle]

who was harrison on vztz

also i don't give a shit if bluebies get free toons on the BETA they aint gettin shit besides gettin shit ON when the real server comes out anyway

[Harrison]

The more I think about this I doubt I'll even bother playing beta if theres decked 60s runnen around, with only old world open - you'd have to level to 60 in oldworld with shit gear? Or fight 60's with Kunark gear at 50 with classic shit? I don't get it how this could work.

Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind it either.

Even naked 60s is throwing off balance resist-wise with classic only gear available to them.

They may have reasoning behind it we don't understand, though. They're better at implementing servers, testing, etc. than any of us.

[Rexxin]

The more I think about this I doubt I'll even bother playing beta if theres decked 60s runnen around, with only old world open - you'd have to level to 60 in oldworld with shit gear? Or fight 60's with Kunark gear at 50 with classic shit? I don't get it how this could work.

Bro its not a LIVE battle man relax, How do you expect the Emp to get a decent resist system inplace in a short amount of time without people with all gear levels, How long would it take to get an even playing field of level 50s not in Fine steel gear? 1 month? 6 Months? lets get this shit over with, let him get in do some testing and gtfo and on to Live where the party really begins

[Bockscar]

Bro its not a LIVE battle man relax, How do you expect the Emp to get a decent resist system inplace in a short amount of time without people with all gear levels, How long would it take to get an even playing field of level 50s not in Fine steel gear? 1 month? 6 Months? lets get this shit over with, let him get in do some testing and gtfo and on to Live where the party really begins

Increase drop rates by x10 as well? It'll take a few days tops to hit 50 with 1000% XP, and the mobs that drop the gear people will wear in PvP aren't exactly difficult to get to. Part of the testing is to see how PvP turns out in a PvE environment, so we want people to go to lguk etc.

Most people aren't gonna be interested in testing for very long if they have to run around fighting fuckers who transferred IFS, pre-nerf CoS, fungi and other crap. You know fully well that people will twink level 50s out in that shit just to be dicks. We want people to actually play, not check the beta out for three days and then ask their buddy to text them when the server opens. I know that's what I'll do the minute I run into a level 50 SK with Oggok Cleaver and Circlet of Shadow.

[Silikten]

Increase drop rates by x10 as well? It'll take a few days tops to hit 50 with 1000% XP, and the mobs that drop the gear people will wear in PvP aren't exactly difficult to get to. Part of the testing is to see how PvP turns out in a PvE environment, so we want people to go to lguk etc.

Most people aren't gonna be interested in testing for very long if they have to run around fighting fuckers who transferred IFS, pre-nerf CoS, fungi and other crap. You know fully well that people will twink level 50s out in that shit just to be dicks. We want people to actually play, not check the beta out for three days and then ask their buddy to text them when the server opens. I know that's what I'll do the minute I run into a level 50 SK with Oggok Cleaver and Circlet of Shadow.

Will take most red players hours to reach 50 most likely lol. Gear doesn't save you. Talent does. It will be funny when all vztz players are owning kunark geared players imo.

However, I really dislike the fact about the bluebies xferring only to grief other players off. If that is their true intent.

[Rexxin]

Increase drop rates by x10 as well? It'll take a few days tops to hit 50 with 1000% XP, and the mobs that drop the gear people will wear in PvP aren't exactly difficult to get to. Part of the testing is to see how PvP turns out in a PvE environment, so we want people to go to lguk etc.

Most people aren't gonna be interested in testing for very long if they have to run around fighting fuckers who transferred IFS, pre-nerf CoS, fungi and other crap. You know fully well that people will twink level 50s out in that shit just to be dicks. We want people to actually play, not check the beta out for three days and then ask their buddy to text them when the server opens. I know that's what I'll do the minute I run into a level 50 SK with Oggok Cleaver and Circlet of Shadow.

Increase drop rate is fine but im talking real items with real impact Boss loot etc, it takes a long time to get that caliber of gear and if you think people wont play because some blubies are ripping um up your crazy beta will be pack to the gills,

And if your going to increase the drop rate why not just transfer over a bunch of people with gear already do the testing that needs to be done and Start Live....????

[canardvc]

Agreed you can't tweak a GP moto if you don't know how to tweak a bicycle. 51+ spells, with 51+ caps and Kunark's stuff are just gonna screw it.

Ain't hard to speed up the thing to get past the tedium. I don't mind having to wait 1 or 2 more weeks if the testing is delivered properly.

EDIT: Gotta add too that Big Rogean is willing to put a level bumper in soon. Getting 10 mages to 50 instant to farm stuff won't take months

[Salty]

I'd level twice bro,

[Bockscar]

Increase drop rate is fine but im talking real items with real impact Boss loot etc, it takes a long time to get that caliber of gear and if you think people wont play because some blubies are ripping um up your crazy beta will be pack to the gills,

And if your going to increase the drop rate why not just transfer over a bunch of people with gear already do the testing that needs to be done and Start Live....????

I don't care what they do, they can put up a vendor that sells planar loot after two weeks to get some high-end testing done as well, but there's no reason whatsoever to throw Kunark items into the mix. I don't even care about level 60s, they won't be in range to 50s anyway. There's just no point at all in not taking the absolutely minimal effort to make sure the testing process isn't affected by something that won't even be on the server for a year. I fully expect Rogean to let people #level to 50 and load up sets of boss loot half-way through the beta. Why should Kunark items be included at all? Why not just make it so they don't transfer? I'm sure people are already buying up tranix crowns and diamond wedding rings on p99 right now to use them on the beta. That's fine because those items will exist on red99 pre-Kunark.

[Rushmore]

I say there are plenty of under 50 toons to transfer over

but who the fuck cares really its beta

[Rexxin]

Honestly Whatever it takes for Rogean to get the testing done faster is fine by me, but if everyone throws a fit about Beta its only going to slow him down, so in all honestly who cares... we all have the same goal im just trying to get there faster

[Bockscar]

I think we'll get there faster by not muddling it all up with shit that won't be relevant when the server launches. I'm sure things like combat mechanics might need to be tweaked as well, but then you'll get...

"dude warriors hit too hard"
"no man, that's just because the guy was using an AD"
"no I saw someone with an exe axe hitting for 200"
"naw pal, that was an oggok cleaver"

"how are nuke resists looking?"
"pretty good"
"no someone resisted ice comet 6 times in a row"
"he was wearing Kunark gear"
"oh"

See what I mean?

[Palemoon]

a lot "new to p99" people (like me) are here for red. I dont relish the idea of being lvl 1 and naked and dealing with 100 blue players with their lvl 60 and their transfered stacked with artifacts and dragon loot lvl 12 twinks.

No transfers, if beta really is going to be "several" weeks AND xp is way faster then normal, there is no reason to have transfers.

[Rushmore]

a lot "new to p99" people (like me) are here for red. I dont relish the idea of being lvl 1 and naked and dealing with 100 blue players with their lvl 60 and their transfered stacked with artifacts and dragon loot lvl 12 twinks.

No transfers, if beta really is going to be "several" weeks AND xp is way faster then normal, there is no reason to have transfers.

I'm thinking its just easy for him to transfer the whole server over instead of some people here and there.

if he doesn't transfer anyone its harder to test all the content at all levels.

[Salty]

I think we'll get there faster by not muddling it all up with shit that won't be relevant when the server launches. I'm sure things like combat mechanics might need to be tweaked as well, but then you'll get...

"dude warriors hit too hard"
"no man, that's just because the guy was using an AD"
"no I saw someone with an exe axe hitting for 200"
"naw pal, that was an oggok cleaver"

"how are nuke resists looking?"
"pretty good"
"no someone resisted ice comet 6 times in a row"
"he was wearing Kunark gear"
"oh"

See what I mean?

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[raptorak]

I'm gonna enjoy the beta more than live - increased exp on a truly classic server is a dream for me :)

Gonna roll ranger! :P

[Bockscar]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49629

It's shit like this that we just don't need to bring to the beta server. What will it do other than waste everybody's time?

[Titanuk]

rangers will be op, the only class im not looking forward to running into

[Grahm]

You've never pvp'd against me in fear. I was in vent the whole time.

If I told someone to crash fear, there would be a recording of it.


I had like 80 people in vent channel bro. come at my clean pixels.

FISHBAIT OOOO AH AH

[Crenshinabon]

You guys do realize that its +- 8 lvls? 60s cant pvp anyone.
So in essence naked lvl 60 transfers are useless and only people under 50 will have any fun.
I have a lvl 21 cleric ready to rock in full bronze.

[Bockscar]

Naked transfers would be nice, but that hasn't been indicated by any of the announecments or IRC discussions. Anyway, regardless of how item transfers work, most people still haven't hit 60 on p99 and are sitting around 56-58ish. I'm starting to think we'd be better off just not having transfers at all, or bringing 51+ chars down to 50. Leveling to 50 is gonna take a couple of days anyway with 1000% exp.

[Knuckle]

pretty sure rogean had to get a little trolling in on that update.

[Knuckle]

I think we'll get there faster by not muddling it all up with shit that won't be relevant when the server launches. I'm sure things like combat mechanics might need to be tweaked as well, but then you'll get...

"dude warriors hit too hard"
"no man, that's just because the guy was using an AD"
"no I saw someone with an exe axe hitting for 200"
"naw pal, that was an oggok cleaver"

"how are nuke resists looking?"
"pretty good"
"no someone resisted ice comet 6 times in a row"
"he was wearing Kunark gear"
"oh"

See what I mean?

yeah i think rogean was trolling in that update.

[Ravenlof]

Wipe.

Classic XP. Go play WoW if you want to n00burway2thetop

2nd

[Arshis]

I somewhat agree that only fresh characters should be involved with the beta testing of P99 Red due to a few reasons

1) Having fresh levels will better imitate the way P99 red will be. Allowing you to better test spell dynamics in combat from 1-50

2) The level 60's will have an unfair gear advantage.
I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of the P99 red fan base no longer play blue and do not have active characters to move over.

[Morninx]

No transfers. Fresh characters to have true representation of server for true test. If worry is about not having enough to participate then keep progress from beta when live so people don't feel like their individual time is wasted over the next several weeks. Dont wipe beta when live released.

[Amuk]

20x exp rate - named mobs spawn 100% of the time, leave drop chance %'s the same though IMO.

[Amuk]

Planar keep legit, maybe jack resist gear (gems) drop rate to get peoples resists up and testing also.

[jilena]

I have to agree that kunark gear will skew things a bit but honestly outside of resists and damage most of the mechanics can be tested with any character(s).

My only concern is that bored p99 players will just log on to grief the shit out of the "red" players who talk mad shit on the forums and end up souring the experience for people who might have otherwise actually played on the server when it opens. *shrug*

[Humerox]

No transfers. Fresh characters to have true representation of server for true test.

How can PvP resists be tested then? Unless you guys want a 6 month beta...just be happy it's here.

My only concern is that bored p99 players will just log on to grief the shit out of the "red" players who talk mad shit on the forums and end up souring the experience for people who might have otherwise actually played on the server when it opens.

They'll get bored and leave. And we could whip over a few counter twinks, ez peezy japanezy.

[Coriolis]

I'd have to agree with the no Kunark-era items for testing integrity, even if it means my lowbie monk has to get rid of his Cane of the Tranquil heh, not that he is much of a twink anyways.

Having Kunark gear on all level ranges (not just the level 60's) will certainly skew the testing results. Overall it probably wouldn't be incredibly harmful but, as was said before, there is absolutely no point in including something in testing that won't be there for the live version... It simply doesn't make any sense.

I just get the mental image of:

"Hey let's see if this bicycle works"
"Ok go hop on that Harley and take it for a spin, clearly if its running OK the bicycle is in tip-top shape."

[pewpeat]

ya the whole fine tuning the server for 60 and kunark gear is scaring me.. I dont wanna wait for kunark AGAIN to play a melee

[mitic]

IMO 20x exp and no transfers, should be obv - boxing is nice tho

x10 is good enuf, i remember vztz havin x4 and youve been able to get to 50 within 3 or 4 days

[vinx]

I'd have to agree with the no Kunark-era items for testing integrity, even if it means my lowbie monk has to get rid of his Cane of the Tranquil heh, not that he is much of a twink anyways.

Having Kunark gear on all level ranges (not just the level 60's) will certainly skew the testing results. Overall it probably wouldn't be incredibly harmful but, as was said before, there is absolutely no point in including something in testing that won't be there for the live version... It simply doesn't make any sense.

I just get the mental image of:

"Hey let's see if this bicycle works"
"Ok go hop on that Harley and take it for a spin, clearly if its running OK the bicycle is in tip-top shape."
As already mentioned... they need bumped resists and levels for testing

who wants a beta that lasts for 2-3 months so everyone can farm to scale their resists?

its beta if so you can claim gear/levels as an excuse if you get wtfpwned.
fresh or new players that start next year will have to go thru this same thing without a beta excuse and still have to play with twinks/higher resists

[Xareth]

I'm only ok with blue transfers because:

1. It's only beta.

2. It's be a better test for all levels AND resists.

3. It'd be the only (mass) beta for 51-60 and kunark gear.

4. Most lvl 50-60's wont need to spend ANY time to level or get gear, so they will be testing more resists and pvp - theoretically - as opposed to the whole population starting fresh with an xp multiplier.

5. Who fuckin cares? It's just beta.


You guys do realize that its +- 8 lvls? 60s cant pvp anyone.
So in essence naked lvl 60 transfers are useless and only people under 50 will have any fun.
I have a lvl 21 cleric ready to rock in full bronze.

Sorry, but no. There will be plenty of lvl 52-58's that can attack and be attacked by a lvl 50. So as soon as that happens, lvl 60's can interact due to the dynamic pvp system.

[Rexxin]

Bumping this thread so all the people who cried the transfering toons would hurt the beta process can see why they were wrong.

Transfer toons, test resists, pvp, spells whatever you gotta do. get this over with..... or we could wait for the 75 people who play Beta to gear up, level up, become friends, guild up and kill bosses (with no gear) so that we can get an accurate precise "Clasic" Game.

Half the people who Wanted "Clean Pixels" dont even play the Beta, you toolboxes can get bent

The choice is clear....

[Bockscar]

Pretty sure anyone who isn't an idiot just said no to Kunark gear, which was at first looking like it would be transfered onto the beta server.

[Aenor]

Bored p99 players will just log on to grief the shit out of the "red" players...

This is funny... red players gonna rage quit cause they died in beta to fully geared twinks...

Actually I think the opposite is true. Beta transfers is great because it lets a bunch of bluebies get their feet wet on a PvP server with a gear advantage. Some of them will get hooked and that will mean more targets.

[Softcore PK]

This is funny... red players gonna rage quit cause they died in beta to fully geared twinks...

Actually I think the opposite is true. Beta transfers is great because it lets a bunch of bluebies get their feet wet on a PvP server with a gear advantage. Some of them will get hooked and that will mean more targets.

I like the way this man thinks.

[Nirgon]

Any complaints about mage pets from the people with gear? Lol no.