Race/Class-penalties

[Danien]

Have there been any word on whether exp-penalties for races/classes will be implemented? I'm strongly arguing against it from a design-pov.

They never made any sense, the only argument that could be done for them is that some classes/races are imbalanced and therefore should require more time to level up, but that's just a dumb replacement for trying to attain classbalance.

A little over ten years later I hope we're all the more wiser having played this game and do not implement this feature which makes very little sense. I think we can all agree that for example rangers are in no way overpowered and deserving of a exp-penalty. Sure, some classes are stronger then others in various situations but I think it's pretty fair to say that they horribly misjudged who these classes and races are.

Overall exp-penalties were a mistake which never should have been implemented, probably a reminiscense of old roleplaying-games I don't know of.

Let's not make the same mistake again!

[Yukahwa]

Lol.

That is totally wrong. Trolls level faster because they have regen and are really strong, so they gave them an EXP penalty to even things out.

Ogres level faster because they have insta twink by having the best stats ever..so they level a LITTLE slower to even things out. Trolls level slower than ogres.

It totally makes sense and the number of ogres and trolls and iksars in game are evidence of the fact that it works great.

If you want to be RP about it you can say that it is because trolls and ogres are so stupid that they receive experience slower than other races.

[XiakenjaTZ]

They was supposed to be race and class penalties.

Funny thing is that they admitted they messed up in one respect. The humans were supposed to get faster leveling not halflings.

[Yukahwa]

I never saw that admitted just discussed on these forums. Where was it talked about?

Halflings get EXP bonus because they eat more food. ; )

[XiakenjaTZ]

Pretty sure it was in some thread on the live boards way back when. Probably around the time they were discussing leveling out the hell levels and they explained the math and how they were not intentional.

[raptorak]

Yes - humans were meant to get an exp bonus and it was one of their racial traits, a payoff for being so damn average. The thing I dislike most about p1999 is that they faithfully recreate the bugs of the original - humans were meant to have a 10% bonus.

Anyway, I can live with racial penalties, but they need to get rid of class penalties, 40% exp penalty for hybrids is stupid. Troll SK 68% exp bonus is totally retarded.

[Danien]

Lol.

That is totally wrong. Trolls level faster because they have regen and are really strong, so they gave them an EXP penalty to even things out.

Ogres level faster because they have insta twink by having the best stats ever..so they level a LITTLE slower to even things out. Trolls level slower than ogres.

It totally makes sense and the number of ogres and trolls and iksars in game are evidence of the fact that it works great.

If you want to be RP about it you can say that it is because trolls and ogres are so stupid that they receive experience slower than other races.

Sure, Trolls and Ogres have much better stats. Those stand out and are a little too strong imo, but there are plenty of other examples of things that stand out;

Clerics are the undisputed kings of healing, no class comes close to it. This should by your logic yield a penalty?

Erudites are better int-casters then other races etc.

I guess what really bothers me are the hybrid penalties. The are completely unreasonable and should never have been implemented.

[Lasher]

yeah the hybrids penalty does not match up with any supposed bonus they are getting. I think its just a flawed D&D concept that got carried over to EQ when it was first made.

I would actually consider the bonus a race such as ogre,troll and iksar get to be more benefical then being a hybrid. A warrior/druid hybrid sounds good in pen and paper but more times than not will get shit on by most melee unless you are in south karana with bag full of arrows

[Tombom]

I'd vote for removing hybrid penalties, racials should stay the same imo. But yeah my dwarf paladin would be very pleased with no hybrid penalty.

[tufflax]

I agree with the original post. Ideally the classes and races should be balanced so that no exp penalties or bonuses are needed. And if they are not, exp penalties are a really stupid way to solve the problem. I understand that P99 aims to provide a classic experience, and that's fine. But I think that in a competitive environment such as a PvP server, we should try to balance things out, even if it's at the expense of the classic experience.


Lol.

That is totally wrong. Trolls level faster because they have regen and are really strong, so they gave them an EXP penalty to even things out.

Ogres level faster because they have insta twink by having the best stats ever..so they level a LITTLE slower to even things out. Trolls level slower than ogres.

It totally makes sense and the number of ogres and trolls and iksars in game are evidence of the fact that it works great.

If you want to be RP about it you can say that it is because trolls and ogres are so stupid that they receive experience slower than other races.

Yeah, totally. Everybody knows Troll SKs level 53% faster that Magicians, and 77% faster than Halfling Druids. They must be penalized accordingly.

[Yukahwa]

Just sayin. Its a badass tax.

If you don't want a penalty, create a human. Oh? You wanna be a badass? PENALIZED. Lol.

Hybrid tax is cool with me because no one is going to be a warrior anyways so might as well give them a bonus by penalizing the other 2 tanks.

[tufflax]

Just sayin. Its a badass tax.

If you don't want a penalty, create a human. Oh? You wanna be a badass? PENALIZED. Lol.

Hybrid tax is cool with me because no one is going to be a warrior anyways so might as well give them a bonus by penalizing the other 2 tanks.

OK, say no one wanted to be a warrior. SKs, Palas, and Rangers still have a penalty compared to everyone else, for no good reason.

[Danien]

Just sayin. Its a badass tax.

If you don't want a penalty, create a human. Oh? You wanna be a badass? PENALIZED. Lol.

Hybrid tax is cool with me because no one is going to be a warrior anyways so might as well give them a bonus by penalizing the other 2 tanks.

I'm happy we don't agree on anything, your arguments are beyond horrible.

[vinx]

I'd vote for removing hybrid penalties, racials should stay the same imo.
^^

[Yukahwa]

I'm happy we don't agree on anything, your arguments are beyond horrible.

It will hurt server pop dude.

[juicedsixfo]

Anyway, I can live with racial penalties, but they need to get rid of class penalties, 40% exp penalty for hybrids is stupid. Troll SK 68% exp bonus is totally retarded.

I think you mean penalty.

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Game_Mechanics#Race.2FClass_Experience_Penalties

[Nirgon]

Uh no listed bonus for humans? Hm? Thought they had a bonus..

Also thought half elf had a minus.

[raptorak]

I think you mean penalty.

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Game_Mechanics#Race.2FClass_Experience_Penalties

You see? Only retards would play Troll SK as I clearly can't even write the correct word anymore.

Just because retards exist, don't punish them p1999.

[juicedsixfo]

When RZ first opened, even seeing an SK made you feel like you should pat them on the back.

[Knuckle]

I support removing the exp penalty IF non large race warriors get stun kick. that is all.:cool:

[coki]

the only thing that didn't make sense when they gave hybrids a penalty is not making the ranger any good at all, all the other hybrids own face therefore they got the penalty. but rangers... wtf happned?

and the race penalties are awesome and i love that old shit, newer games would never do something like that because to much qqqqqqq

[Xareth]

If you want to remove the hybrid xp penalty just give all other melees (besides monks) a few additional skills / abilites.

[Galacticus]

The exp bonus and penalty was based on stats and regen. It was meant to average out the shitty stats.

Same goes with hybrids. They are basically warriors with spells. I think this was done to get more people to play warriors because they are the main tank class and needed for raids.

Makes sense to give equal bonuses to other classes rather then penalties to even out bonuses, but thats not how they did it.

Im rolling a hybrid, not because xp is faster or slower but because of the class. Penalty or not.

[Sirbanmelotz]

Amen to no hybrid penalties i want my troll sk back

[JayDee]

keep penalties in otherwise everyone will be troll/ogre

diversity *****

[Kelsar]

nerds.