I don't believe in space time.

[BradZax]

I've had enough of this hocus pokus we all believe in. It's stupid, and im calling it out. Prove me wrong with like, an ability to explain why it makes sense, without me thinking it's retarded: or spoiler: IT IS retarded. Because this science is FAKE. And Im sick of pretending it's not fake.

Time, does not change based on speed of light. If you travel 100x the speed of light, you will be the same god damn age I am when you get to your destination.

That theory is STUPID. and FAKE and I REFUSE to believe it anymore.

It all has something to do with the speed of light, or something to do with the observer? I don't know but AI is wrong, and all the scientists are wrong, and I am right, and I know it and I think you all know it too.

Why the friggen F would me going fast, make my organs age slower?! that is STUPID.

It's not real. It's fake. And not science.

This is STUUUUUPID.

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[Botten]

Science? Facts? Educational Theories... seriously??! Don't let those things get in your way now.

You always had psycho beliefs but didn't you know even psychos have control of time.

After all the past is shaped by what we do in the present is a psychological and philosophical idea highlighting that while history is fixed, its meaning, impact, and legacy are constantly redefined by our current actions, interpretations, and choices.

In essence, while we cannot change the factual occurrences of the past, we control its narrative, its emotional weight, and its relevance to our current and future lives and the lives of others.

Hell, a bunch of nutcases in power like yourself are trying to erase the teachings of the past they don't want carried to the future.

So be rested assured Shovelquest you don't need to believe in science to change the value of time. You are good...

Now take your meds!

[Reiwa]

The told me relativity built the A-bomb.

[magnetaress]

That's good because spacetime is just a pressure wave expressing itself.

[BradZax]

Science? Facts? Educational Theories... seriously??! Don't let those things get in your way now.

You always had psycho beliefs but didn't you know even psychos have control of time.

After all the past is shaped by what we do in the present is a psychological and philosophical idea highlighting that while history is fixed, its meaning, impact, and legacy are constantly redefined by our current actions, interpretations, and choices.

In essence, while we cannot change the factual occurrences of the past, we control its narrative, its emotional weight, and its relevance to our current and future lives and the lives of others.

Hell, a bunch of nutcases in power like yourself are trying to erase the teachings of the past they don't want carried to the future.

So be rested assured Shovelquest you don't need to believe in science to change the value of time. You are good...

Now take your meds!

You are so stupid you fail every single basic task ever.

Prove me wrong with like, an ability to explain why it makes sense, without me thinking it's retarded: or spoiler: IT IS retarded.

[Botten]

You are so stupid you fail every single basic task ever.

Okay... then responding in a basic or simple means you understand best.

"No, You!"

Edit: A three letter word maybe too much for you. Since you aren't on your meds, I will break it down further.

"No U!"

[Reiwa]

Myth: empirically measured clock retardation (https://medium.com/@vonseifert/gps-could-exist-without-relativity-1c82961bd521)

[BradZax]

Okay... then responding in a basic or simple means you understand best.

"No, You!"

Edit: A three letter word maybe too much for you. Since you aren't on your meds, I will break it down further.

"No U!"

You don't need to convince me that you dont understand time dilation.

[sammoHung]

You don't believe in it because you're a fucking moron.

Keep linking YouTube videos, you fucking moron.

Read a book. Read some experimental studies. Learn Math, specifically Calculus and Differential Equations, and derive some equations and then come back with your skepticism, you fucking dolt.

[Skarne]

You don't believe in it because you're a fucking moron.

Keep linking YouTube videos, you fucking moron.

Read a book. Read some experimental studies. Learn Math, specifically Calculus and Differential Equations, and derive some equations and then come back with your skepticism, you fucking dolt.

rofl

[BradZax]

You don't believe in it because you're a fucking moron.

Keep linking YouTube videos, you fucking moron.

Read a book. Read some experimental studies. Learn Math, specifically Calculus and Differential Equations, and derive some equations and then come back with your skepticism, you fucking dolt.

Cry all you want doesn't change that you don't know how time dilation works.

[Reiwa]

And then they put an atomic clock in a belt of intense radiation and were surprised pikachu when it got desynced.

That's relativity.

[BradZax]

That's a story the jedi told you.

There's stories they wouldn't.

[BradZax]

Guys, I don't think you can realistically say that anything is real if going fast makes time change.

That has to be a physics bug.

[Botten]

Going to try to mimic Reiwa here:

Ask some shadowmen in the game.

The bug feeling comes from assuming time is fundamental
It’s not.
Spacetime is fundamental.
Time is a slice of it.
If you rotate a 3D object, its shadow changes shape.
If you rotate your trajectory in spacetime by accelerating, your time shadow changes.

[Reiwa]

Going to try to mimic Reiwa here:

Ask some shadowmen in the game.

The bug feeling comes from assuming time is fundamental
It’s not.
Spacetime is fundamental.
Time is a slice of it.
If you rotate a 3D object, its shadow changes shape.
If you rotate your trajectory in spacetime by accelerating, your time shadow changes.

If you were to rotate a sphere, the shadow wouldn't change.

A disk on the other hand... :p

[Kich867]

I mean it's true in the sense that for over a century people have tried to disprove it, can't, and we use its concepts in every day things. If anyone actually did disprove it, it would be hugely celebrated in the scientific community.

It also just sort of demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of what science is from you. But that's ok, most people over the age of like 50 seem to have forgotten.

You being drunk on clorox isn't really a strong argument though.

[BradZax]

It also just sort of demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of what science is from you. But that's ok, most people over the age of like 50 seem to have forgotten.

You being drunk on clorox isn't really a strong argument though.

The first step in the scientific process: Attack if you can't figure out how to explain your new age religion.

[Kich867]

The first step in the scientific process: Attack if you can't figure out how to explain your new age religion.

You said you don't believe in it--what's that mean? That you do not think its true?

[BradZax]

You said you don't believe in it--what's that mean? That you do not think its true?

Nobody can explain why it happens.

The concept is both absurd, and unexplainable.

Everyone believes a physics bug in the video game we call the 'universe', where it cant calculate time when things are moving too fast: Just makes sense.

So therefore, I believe that proves it's a physics bug, not physics.

It's not real. It's a glitch. It's not a feature.

[Kich867]

Nobody can explain why it happens.

The concept is both absurd, and unexplainable.

Everyone believes a physics bug in the video game we call the 'universe', where it cant calculate time when things are moving too fast: Just makes sense.

So therefore, I believe that proves it's a physics bug, not physics.

It's not real. It's a glitch. It's not a feature.

Well a bug/glitch would make it real so I'm assuming you meant something different than that? It would make it unintended but existent. So what did you actually mean?

[BradZax]

If it's real, nothing else is real, is why I don't believe it's real.

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[Kich867]

If it's real, nothing else is real, is why I don't believe it's real.

What would make it real to you?

[BradZax]

What would make it real to you?

if it made sense, or if someone came up with an explanation that made sense: the simulation breaks down at great speeds.

So soon they will release a new form of travel:

/warp

Where have I used THAT command before :cool:

They'll say it's bending space time. But it's just a patch.

Or they'll reset the server.

[BradZax]

It's kind of a commentary on how humans will create reasons for things to exist, even if they are not intended to exist.

Like if a shadow was pointing the wrong way.

We'd have a reason.

[Kich867]

It's kind of a commentary on how humans will create reasons for things to exist, even if they are not intended to exist.

Like if a shadow was pointing the wrong way.

We'd have a reason.

Well the reason is that proximity to gravitational forces affects how time flows. Like you can just go buy two atomic clocks, put one at the base of a mountain, climb the mountain, hang out for awhile, come back down and observe the difference.

So you can say that isn't time dilation or its not gravity or whatever, you do you, but its an observable thing that happens. And our best reasoning for why it happens is gravity and speed. So much so that we can predict those differences and those predictions are accurate. I mean that's how your GPS works.

It's been exhaustively tested and observed.

And let's be super duper clear--let's say hypothetically you're correct and its not due to time dilation, that part isn't the part that matters. The part that matters is that it happens and allows us to provide a predictable model for how the world works that we can do useful things with, like having GPS satellites that can tell you where you are and where you're going.

[magnetaress]

The substrate demonstrates frame dragging in its output.

Get hecked.

[BradZax]

Well the reason is that proximity to gravitational forces affects how time flows.

Im going to explain how birds fly the same way:

Well the reason is they have an ability to fly.

This is my issue with time dilation.

It's explained in a hand wavey way to validate the idea that the simulation is not a simulation. To really unpack it, the fabric of reality starts ripping apart.

And let's be super duper clear--let's say hypothetically you're correct and its not due to time dilation, that part isn't the part that matters. The part that matters is that it happens and allows us to provide a predictable model for how the world works that we can do useful things with, like having GPS satellites that can tell you where you are and where you're going.

Every speed runner needs a provable, predictable way, to exploit that games physics too.

Notice: time only changes for the thing going fast.

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[Kich867]

Notice: time only changes for the thing going fast.

That's not quite the conclusion of it so you're already off base.

Im going to explain how birds fly the same way:

Well the reason is they have an ability to fly.

I'll be honest, I think one of the most exhausting things going around lately is people who don't know about shit loudly proclaiming things about things they don't understand, while demanding everyone around them know everything to beyond a PhD level to explain it to them.

Every speed runner needs a provable, predictable way, to exploit that games physics too.

This doesn't align with what you've been saying. It is provable and predictable.

I think what you meant here, because I don't think you actually know that much about speed running, is that the speed runner needs to know how something works, when in reality that isn't the case at all. Most speed runners don't actually know how what they're doing works, they do it because it's predictable and works, which is also why we use theories like gravity and relativity. And its ok if you don't understand how spacetime works, the practical part is really the only important part. You'll never be the size of an atomic particle and you'll never travel near the speed of light.

To my understanding, we think it happens based on gravity and speed because when we take things and shoot them at very high speeds we observe that they experienced time differently. And when we put things closer to a large source of gravity and further away they experience time differently. And then we come up with equations that model that behavior. And then we tested whether those equations held up by trying other things in different ways with an expected outcome and the actual matched the expected.

And that's it. This isn't that complicated. Wrapping your head around space time is complicated, I can get behind that, shit sounds like magic. But the science is pretty simple: we tried things a bunch of times and it keeps happening the same way and so far no one can find a thing that doesn't align with this.

Except even with this, we have, apparently the math breaks down in quantum physics where things are really tiny. Isn't that cool?

That's the beauty of science, there are no absolute truths, it's just the best we can do.

[OriginalContentGuy]

I don't believe in language, Brad. Every time you post is evidence.

[Reiwa]

That's not quite the conclusion of it so you're already off base.



I'll be honest, I think one of the most exhausting things going around lately is people who don't know about shit loudly proclaiming things about things they don't understand, while demanding everyone around them know everything to beyond a PhD level to explain it to them.



This doesn't align with what you've been saying. It is provable and predictable.

I think what you meant here, because I don't think you actually know that much about speed running, is that the speed runner needs to know how something works, when in reality that isn't the case at all. Most speed runners don't actually know how what they're doing works, they do it because it's predictable and works, which is also why we use theories like gravity and relativity. And its ok if you don't understand how spacetime works, the practical part is really the only important part. You'll never be the size of an atomic particle and you'll never travel near the speed of light.

To my understanding, we think it happens based on gravity and speed because when we take things and shoot them at very high speeds we observe that they experienced time differently. And when we put things closer to a large source of gravity and further away they experience time differently. And then we come up with equations that model that behavior. And then we tested whether those equations held up by trying other things in different ways with an expected outcome and the actual matched the expected.

And that's it. This isn't that complicated. Wrapping your head around space time is complicated, I can get behind that, shit sounds like magic. But the science is pretty simple: we tried things a bunch of times and it keeps happening the same way and so far no one can find a thing that doesn't align with this.

Except even with this, we have, apparently the math breaks down in quantum physics where things are really tiny. Isn't that cool?

That's the beauty of science, there are no absolute truths, it's just the best we can do.

It's just modernist dogma transmitted as the gospel truth by government schools.

[BradZax]

Time dilation was theorized as a possible solution to a known graphics glitch.

Light is intended to be 'on and off' in this game, so it's set to max speed.

But if you're holding a flashlight forward, and traveling at max speed, and turn it on: The light will shoot forward in front of you like it would be traveling at 2x max speed.

1. This is because the light's speed is measured at local space

2. if it was set to world space, you would turn the flashlight on and the light would not travel forward and your path would not illuminate. Because you and the light are traveling at max speed together (in world space).

3. In this game the engine sucks up so much memory when a character observes something going faster than what is supposed to be MAX SPEED, the game is unable to record time equal to the game breaking speed that is occuring.

4. Instead of accepting that is reality and the universe is a simulation...

5. They made up a equation that matches the rate at which the games memory seems to break down based on the speed of something that character is observing.

[BradZax]

A more realistic theory to time dilation would be something like:

When you observe something going faster than Max Speed, the local save data starts clocking time based on the speed of the object you are observing causing you to essentially freeze in time, while the world timer continues ticking forward.

It's just a bug, it's not a feature.

/warp 20h-23h Right Ascension and -06° to -19°

New command will be implemented when the new planet expansions unlock.

They'll call it bending space or something stupid.

[magnetaress]

...

[BradZax]

One day an AI will find this and be like BY GOD they knew!

https://i.imgur.com/slxxInW.png

[BradZax]

that AI will be sitting at a computer in a world not unlike ours wondering if time dilation was fake.

https://i.imgur.com/Nfo4fZj.png

[Duik]

It's kind of a commentary on how humans will create reasons for things to exist, even if they are not intended to exist.

Like if a shadow was pointing the wrong way.

We'd have a reason.

Just like belief in a god for instance.

Sun (big ball of burning hydrogen/helium) crosses the sky.
Clueless ancient humans thort wow, must be the sun god <insert name here> riding his flaming chariot across the sky.

Then, when the fairytales didnt cut it for the intelligent thinking man, science came up with theories that through repeated observation became accepted reality.


It beats **god did it** everytme.

You are the ultimate if it didnt happen to me or if i dont understand it, it didnt happen or its not real.

Learning something may help.
Shutting uo until you do learn something would help as well.

At least you are entertaining in a look at the funny little man from the village kinda way though. Chin up!

[BradZax]

Just like belief in a god for instance.

God made up god.

Time dilation proves it.

[Kich867]

Yay I won

[Reiwa]

Just like belief in a god for instance.

Sun (big ball of burning hydrogen/helium) crosses the sky.
Clueless ancient humans thort wow, must be the sun god <insert name here> riding his flaming chariot across the sky.

Then, when the fairytales didnt cut it for the intelligent thinking man, science came up with theories that through repeated observation became accepted reality.


It beats **god did it** everytme.

You are the ultimate if it didnt happen to me or if i dont understand it, it didnt happen or its not real.

Learning something may help.
Shutting uo until you do learn something would help as well.

At least you are entertaining in a look at the funny little man from the village kinda way though. Chin up!

The evangelists spread state theology.

And the zealots mock, deride, and attack those who express the state theology with less than full-chest enthusiasm.

[Duik]

The evangelists spread state theology.

And the zealots mock, deride, and attack those who express the state theology with less than full-chest enthusiasm.

You misunderstand, i was just pointing out that people making shit up to fit their observations has a few layers of complexity.

One involves one or many people observing, recording and making conclusions.

The other is reading an old book written hundreds of years after the fact and drawing a conclusion as well.
One has supported thoughtful investigations. The other relies on simple faith.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Fuck your shit I'm dee loc.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Hello Duik what's new with chu

[Duik]

Getten beaten down by da man.
What aboot chu McGoo?

What does a dyslexic, agnostic insomniac do?

Lay awake all night wondering if there really is a dog.

[BradZax]

One involves one or many people observing.

Being afraid of not fitting in isn't the flex you think it is.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Do tell. Or actually don't. I am returned from a "rave". More a rave lite. A feel-good emulation of the classic experience but as a bonus now I know the caliber of DJ they promote and lol green day at a rave wtf?

[OriginalContentGuy]

Hello exlax what's your problem.now

No that's unwarranted. Hi what's new

[OriginalContentGuy]

And back to me. This thread is bullshit ask me how I know.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Getten beaten down by da man.
What aboot chu McGoo?

What does a dyslexic, agnostic insomniac do?

Lay awake all night wondering if there really is a dog.

Honey that's ruff.

[Duik]

Being afraid of not fitting in isn't the flex you think it is.

I forgive you for your lack of understanding.

[Reiwa]

You misunderstand, i was just pointing out that people making shit up to fit their observations has a few layers of complexity.

One involves one or many people observing, recording and making conclusions.

The other is reading an old book written hundreds of years after the fact and drawing a conclusion as well.
One has supported thoughtful investigations. The other relies on simple faith.

All your precise measurements were potentially altered by passing through the Van Allen belt, or as I like to call it, "God's Rainbow". :)

[Ciderpress]

NDT is the jake paul of public science educators

[BradZax]

I forgive you for your lack of understanding.

Many people observe the universe is bugged when you go fast and therefore is a simulation.

Your many people overserving this to be true statement proves it is correct.

You dont understand that you math is simply an excuse, not proof of anything other than the laws of physics make no sense whatsoever.

[BradZax]

Notice if you go too fast the game bugs out.

Also if you get too small it can't calculate your world position properly: Quantum physics

I believe the scientific theory for this behavior was dubbed by the man who built the system you're saying is what's happening:

Spooky action.

https://i.imgur.com/e9b8pPl.png

[Duik]

Life is a game designed by an infallable god.

It quite literally cannot glitch.

Take that cyclists!

[BradZax]

Life is a game.

correct now you're starting to understand.

[Reiwa]

Clarify: are we jamming special relativity or general relativity?

Which do they believe in?

[Defo]

Gotta say, as a person who has earned a Master's Degree in Physics:

Reading this thread made me both very amused and very concerned simultaneously.

Edit: Grammar

[BradZax]

Gotta say, as a person who has earned a Master's Degree in Physics:

Reading this thread made me both very amused and very concerned simultaneously.

Edit: Grammar

Glad it amuses you, that's the point. These fearful pro-clergy only answers is concerning to me too.

Can you explain why exactly time "dilates" without saying "the observer" (the player)? :o

[Reiwa]

Glad it amuses you, that's the point. These fearful pro-clergy only answers is concerning to me too.

Can you explain why exactly time "dilates" without saying "the observer" (the player)? :o

To keep the wormhole open.

[Defo]

Glad it amuses you, that's the point. These fearful pro-clergy only answers is concerning to me too.

Can you explain why exactly time "dilates" without saying "the observer" (the player)? :o

Well, it's impossible to not refer to the observer, because the only way we can estimate how the universe acts is through observation. That is an important clause, because the act of observing something affects the outcome. See: Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment.

EDIT: To add a similarity that is seen in every day life while driving:

If you are driving at 20 MPH in one direction on a street, and the car approaching you in the opposite direction is travelling 20 MPH: the moment you pass each other, the car passing you, and you passing the car, will be travelling at 40 MPH relative to each other. If, however, you were in a car stopped completely: the moment the car passed you, it would be travelling at 20 MPH relative to you. That is a loosely similar example, but it's something many people can understand.

[Reiwa]

Well, it's impossible to not refer to the observer, because the only way we can estimate how the universe acts is through observation. That is an important clause, because the act of observing something affects the outcome. See: Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment.

EDIT: To add a similarity that is seen in every day life while driving:

If you are driving at 20 MPH in one direction on a street, and the car approaching you in the opposite direction is travelling 20 MPH: the moment you pass each other, the car passing you, and you passing the car, will be travelling at 40 MPH relative to each other. If, however, you were in a car stopped completely: the moment the car passed you, it would be travelling at 20 MPH relative to you. That is a loosely similar example, but it's something many people can understand.

Would the light from the headlights of a car travelling at 20 mph reach your eye faster than the light from the headlights of a car at rest?

How much faster?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Glad it amuses you, that's the point. These fearful pro-clergy only answers is concerning to me too.

Can you explain why exactly time "dilates" without saying "the observer" (the player)? :o

To add to Defo's comment, light always moves at the same speed no matter how fast or slow you are going. There has never been an experiment that demonstrates that this is not true.

If a light is shone in one direction, it will appear the be moving to all observers at exactly the same speed. If you try to chase the light by moving behind it at 50% light speed, the light will still be moving away from you at the same speed that a person standing still would measure.

From there, it is simple math and extrapolation to understand that if the speed of light is fixed then the passage of time is the only variable left to conform, which it does.

[Defo]

Would the light from the headlights of a car travelling at 20 mph reach your eye faster than the light from the headlights of a car at rest?

How much faster?

Well, light has a "special" relativity, so no it wouldn't be any faster. You'd have to be an incredible distance away because light travels at 300 million meters per second.

[Reiwa]

To add to Defo's comment, light always moves at the same speed no matter how fast or slow you are going. There has never been an experiment that demonstrates that this is not true.

If a light is shone in one direction, it will appear the be moving to all observers at exactly the same speed. If you try to chase the light by moving behind it at 50% light speed, the light will still be moving away from you at the same speed that a person standing still would measure.

From there, it is simple math and extrapolation to understand that if the speed of light is fixed then the passage of time is the only variable left to conform, which it does.

Light is instantaneous in one direction and a bit slower in the other.

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[BradZax]

If you are driving at 20 MPH in one direction on a street, and the car approaching you in the opposite direction is travelling 20 MPH: the moment you pass each other, the car passing you, and you passing the car, will be travelling at 40 MPH relative to each other. If, however, you were in a car stopped completely: the moment the car passed you, it would be travelling at 20 MPH relative to you. That is a loosely similar example, but it's something many people can understand.

At no point did time change.

What about those two drivers passing each other makes time go slower for them, than me, sitting at the bus stop.

[BradZax]

To add to Defo's comment, light always moves at the same speed no matter how fast or slow you are going. There has never been an experiment that demonstrates that this is not true.

If a light is shone in one direction, it will appear the be moving to all observers at exactly the same speed. If you try to chase the light by moving behind it at 50% light speed, the light will still be moving away from you at the same speed that a person standing still would measure.

From there, it is simple math and extrapolation to understand that if the speed of light is fixed then the passage of time is the only variable left to conform, which it does.

Yes.

If the speed of light is fixed, then the passage of time is the only variable left to conform.

By the server breaking.

This is the issue that I have, is that there is no scientific reason for "time dilation" to happen. Time "changing" is the observed effect.

This is then thought to be a "real physical behavior of our universe"

There is no evidence whatsoever that is true, anywhere else.

Except if you start scaling things down beyond a size smaller than a PIXEL.

Then the server starts breaking again.

Im simply trying to explain, that "space time" is a construct.

And that what we think is space time: is just a simple, playstation 1 quality: Physics bug.

Fact:

Nobody can explain the material reason why time slows, other than making up a metaphor like, "the fabric of time" or "space time"

[Defo]

At no point did time change.

What about those two drivers passing each other makes time go slower for them, than me, sitting at the bus stop.

Well, in a very very simplified explanation: if you are sitting at the speed of light, (constant rate) and the drivers are accelerating faster than that rate, they are travelling faster through space, and therefore slower through time. Think of Quicksilver scene in XMen Days of Future Past (great Time Dilation scene IMO)... He is literally experiencing more time than the people moving slower through space.

Einstein's theory has been long confirmed to be accurate - The Hafele-Keating experiment (1971) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele%E2%80%93Keating_experiment) showed that an atomic clock placed on an airplane travelling the same direction as the Earth's rotation ticks slower than a clock travelling the opposite direction.

EDIT: I just read your last line, and I'm not sure if you've read much on this, or have just casually browsed a few things and formed a concrete opinion on it. That's the part I alluded to earlier that concerns me. Either way, I'm going to bow out of this convo - but I wish you luck in your learning endeavors! In the words of Bill Nye: Science rules!

[Reiwa]

Total Jiblet victory

[Reiwa]

Imagine having an advanced degree and citing the Uncanny X-men as a proof of theory

[BradZax]

OK well glad we got that cleared up.

There is NO FORCE that causes entropy to stop while going fast. It just does.

#science

AKA: The game can't record your entropy while you're going so fast because it bugs the f out.

[Reiwa]

Unfalsifiable (https://www.ecoticias.com/en/nasa-makes-it-clear-the-monster-located-at-the-center-of-the-milky-way-4-million-suns-has-a-set-date-for-its-awakening/30124/)

New research suggests this sleeping giant will flare back to life when our galaxy collides with a small neighbor called the Large Magellanic Cloud, probably in about two billion years.

[Kich867]

Lol looks like I actually did win jfc