Questions about starting a casual warrior.

[Goregasmic]

Couple noob war related questions. I tried reading a lot on the topic but I can't find anything decisive on most questions. I got a fair bit of melee knowledge but warrior specifics are a blind spot.

I'd like to group as much as I can but I'll probably solo some too due to schedule. No real raiding in the cards for now but not impossible eventually. I'm spending about 60k on him so decent gear but nothing crazy. No access to raid rots for now.

Race: I know ogre is min/max due to stats and FSI but god they're FUGLY with velious plate. Looks like they're wearing a trashbag with a kid's drawing stapled on their belly. I find troll looks a bit cooler and the regen is very appealing for the QOL factor but probably not all that amazing post 60 compared to FSI that keeps on giving. I kinda like the underdogs though but ogre still also feels too good to pass up.

Starting stats: everyone always says sta for most melee classes and it makes sense for warriors but since aggro for war seems proc dependent and most race have shit starting dex wouldn't dex be the move? Especially for ogres since they have an easier time capping sta? With tunnel gear there doesn't seem to be a lot of good dex options as opposed to sta/str and even with FOS you're a long way off. My understanding is no white damage weapon can beat anything with a 400hate proc and non-raid warriors seem to struggle with aggro so more dex seem like a good move if it doesn't come at great cost. On the other hand procs kinda seem gimmicky for grouping. You can always readjust weapons but you can't change starting stats though.

Speaking of capping, what's the stats priority in a non-raid/leveling situation? 205sta to cap with shaman buff with as much HP/AC you can find and bonus points for gear with decent dex? Not sure what's the best play here for a leveling warrior. Early on I guess all the +hp is king then around 40-50 you try to cap sta?

Thanks.

[Nickelback8469]

Couple noob war related questions. I tried reading a lot on the topic but I can't find anything decisive on most questions. I got a fair bit of melee knowledge but warrior specifics are a blind spot.

I'd like to group as much as I can but I'll probably solo some too due to schedule. No real raiding in the cards for now but not impossible eventually. I'm spending about 60k on him so decent gear but nothing crazy. No access to raid rots for now.

Race: I know ogre is min/max due to stats and FSI but god they're FUGLY with velious plate. Looks like they're wearing a trashbag with a kid's drawing stapled on their belly. I find troll looks a bit cooler and the regen is very appealing for the QOL factor but probably not all that amazing post 60 compared to FSI that keeps on giving. I kinda like the underdogs though but ogre still also feels too good to pass up.

Starting stats: everyone always says sta for most melee classes and it makes sense for warriors but since aggro for war seems proc dependent and most race have shit starting dex wouldn't dex be the move? Especially for ogres since they have an easier time capping sta? With tunnel gear there doesn't seem to be a lot of good dex options as opposed to sta/str and even with FOS you're a long way off. My understanding is no white damage weapon can beat anything with a 400hate proc and non-raid warriors seem to struggle with aggro so more dex seem like a good move if it doesn't come at great cost. On the other hand procs kinda seem gimmicky for grouping. You can always readjust weapons but you can't change starting stats though.

Speaking of capping, what's the stats priority in a non-raid/leveling situation? 205sta to cap with shaman buff with as much HP/AC you can find and bonus points for gear with decent dex? Not sure what's the best play here for a leveling warrior. Early on I guess all the +hp is king then around 40-50 you try to cap sta?

Thanks.

I've not played warrior for raids but I have leveled a warrior starting with tunnel gear, mostly in groups but with some soloing mixed in. Fungi is definitely the #1 priority I'd have with a 60k budget, with the best ratio weapons and haste that you can reasonably afford after. In my experience, the increase in proc rate for adding 15-25 dex is pretty measly and unless I knew for certain that I'd eventually cap out stamina from gear + RH, I'd prefer to put all the points I can into that stat.

Procs start to help in the late 40's-50's but in the end it's your groups responsibility to manage aggro, and all aggro issues can be solved with root.

While Ogre's FSI is great for raids, if your focus is just leveling in general regen is going to be a massive QOL and improvement for your uptime. Trolls also have great base stats and I've seen Half Elves and Gnomes tank AoW so you won't be disqualified from raids on the basis of your race choice; go with what you think looks best since you'll have to be seeing every time you play.

[Goregasmic]

Yeah I have 1 fungi I swap to the toon I'm currently playing the most. Troll regen at 51+ is almost 2 fungis while sitting. Then it could be argued how much it matters in a group setting. In your 50s it is like 10khp/hour standing with a fungi but in battle it doesn't really matter. Saving 2-3 CH an hour isn't really significant the more I think about it but solo it is probably a big deal but I'd like to group as much as possible even if it may be hard.

FSI must be nice in crucial fights but in general I don't find I get stunned all that much and as a melee when it happens it is always annoying for sure but rarely impactful. And yeah, I know it doesn't really matter ultimately since a wood elf in swim aids tanked AOW with a rusty dagger at this point but for a casual every little bit help since you can't lean back on gear as much.

[Vexenu]

Do NOT roll a Troll/Ogre just for their stats/racial unless you know that you're a hardcore min/max type player and won't be happy with the character otherwise. If you find yourself annoyed by their appearance before you even make the character, trust me when I say those feelings will grow ten or a hundred-fold after days of staring at them in-game.

The most important thing is liking your character, so roll a race that you enjoy looking at. Race isn't actually that important for Warriors anyway, as has been noted. Even solo it won't matter that much. For example, Troll Regen doesn't really start playing a factor until 50+, and by then you'll probably have a Velious BP clickie that will out heal it. And you said you already have a Fungi, and can also Bind wound. Healing is not a problem for a soloing Warrior, the hard part is finding reliable single pulls.

Dwarves have really great stats and barrel rolls. Wood and Dark Elves are rare and make great Fashion quest. Gnomes get clickie haste arms, which are the true min/max for a solo Warrior. Don't feel like you have to roll a Troll or Ogre.

[Goregasmic]

If you find yourself annoyed by their appearance before you even make the character, trust me when I say those feelings will grow ten or a hundred-fold after days of staring at them in-game.

Yeah 100% onboard with that. It just bugs me that velious plate looks like shit but to be honest I'll probably be wearing kunark stuff for most of my career so it is kinda whatever. I like the lore that they were cursed into being dumb but I just feel like a fearsome warrior killing AOW in a trashbag suit is underwhelming, especially knowing other races have cool fashion. At this point it is just a toss up between troll and ogre and I'd be alright with both.

[Crede]

There’s a guy on here who does 255 dex builds he did a troll war maybe check it out. I’d def go troll over ogre for solo build. regen will be huge 50+ for lowering downtime and trolls fungi graphic is just way better imo.

I’ve done dex builds but just found it too unreliable when you actually need it (slow and root). I’d personally just put it all into str / stamina. Str to try to always be max str but also sta gives you better cripple range. If you cap early who cares then focus on other gear.

Barb is a 3rd option great stats fashion and still get slam. Yes all war kicks stun at 55 but slam still has a higher skill cap and you get it at lvl 1.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Regardless of which race you choose, your item priority looks like this:

1. Fungi Tunic - ~40k at worst across both servers
2. Seahorse Belt (34% Haste) - ~14k at worst across both servers
3. Reaver - ~5k at worse across both servers
4. 2x 6/65 or 5/55 HP Rings.
5. Any 0.5 ratio weapon for leveling from 1-20. Reaver isn't a great weapon from 1-20 due to damage cap.

This will allow you to level from 1-50 comfortably either solo or group. Fill your armor slots with whatever you can as you gain plat while leveling, or get more plat from your main.

Alternatively you could downgrade your haste item to Silver Chitin Hand Wraps (22% haste) to save 13k, and use that 13k to fill out your armor slots with stat pieces like thick banded belt and HP pieces like Dire Wolf-Hide cloak. You could also get jboots if you want, or stick to SoW pots. You don't absolutely need a 34% haste item for leveling in the lower levels. 22% haste is already great.

If you end up going gnome, clockwork arms are like 2-3k, plus recharge costs.

In a group people should be rooting the mobs so you can tank them. 40+ is when some of the better agro weapons become proccable, so I wouldn't worry too much about agro proc weapons until then (assuming you don't get bored and stop playing before 40). Levels 1-40 are quite easy anyway when it comes to solo/group content, so a high DPS weapon like reaver will work wonders.

[Defo]

Relying on procs is not fun. Even with Truncheon, sometimes my warrior struggles with fights because the Truncheon won't proc until the mob is nearly dead, or until I'm nearly dead.

Ogre is good for FSI when raiding - but in a group it doesn't matter as much. Soloing doesn't matter as much. I have levelled two warriors, Ogre and Iksar - and there is not a significant difference in tanking solo or grouped between either. Stuns are annoying, but it's not like Warrior can cast any spells. So you don't get that "You cannot use that while stunned" that annoys caster classes.

Iksar was more challenging than Ogre because of faction - but if I rolled a new Warrior, Ogre would be bottom of the list of race choices.

Ogres are ugly. Everyone min maxes. I would love to see some more RP players, or various warrior races. Some are obviously not great choices (Elves, Gnomes) because of low starting strength and stamina.

My advice: Play what you would like to look at. Troll has a great fashion aspect, and the regen is really nice at 51+. But that 20% exp penalty is a killer.

I think if you're truly going for a casual build - forget all of the e-leet min/maxing strategies that are posted all over this board and just play what you would enjoy logging into and looking at.

[kjs86z2]

Gnome war BiS - self haste buff, wall hacks, goggle helmets. Need I say more?

[Goregasmic]

Regardless of which race you choose, your item priority looks like this:

1. Fungi Tunic - ~40k at worst across both servers
2. Seahorse Belt (34% Haste) - ~14k at worst across both servers
3. Reaver - ~5k at worse across both servers
4. 2x 6/65 or 5/55 HP Rings.
5. Any 0.5 ratio weapon for leveling from 1-20. Reaver isn't a great weapon from 1-20 due to damage cap.

This will allow you to level from 1-50 comfortably either solo or group. Fill your armor slots with whatever you can as you gain plat while leveling, or get more plat from your main.

Alternatively you could downgrade your haste item to Silver Chitin Hand Wraps (22% haste) to save 13k, and use that 13k to fill out your armor slots with stat pieces like thick banded belt and HP pieces like Dire Wolf-Hide cloak. You could also get jboots if you want, or stick to SoW pots. You don't absolutely need a 34% haste item for leveling in the lower levels. 22% haste is already great.

If you end up going gnome, clockwork arms are like 2-3k, plus recharge costs.

In a group people should be rooting the mobs so you can tank them. 40+ is when some of the better agro weapons become proccable, so I wouldn't worry too much about agro proc weapons until then (assuming you don't get bored and stop playing before 40). Levels 1-40 are quite easy anyway when it comes to solo/group content, so a high DPS weapon like reaver will work wonders.

Yeah that's basically my plan. Fungi + haste and a whole bunch of +hp using 1 handers until 20 then start cycling in 2 handers. Probably going to get my hands on a croaking dirk, should be decent aggro until the 2h caps are lifted. Then cycle in staff of battle for 2hb and get a reaver at 30. I'l get a spade too down the line. There's a couple things i need to buy for other toons first but I got SCHW right now and will switch to seahorse belt when I get a bit more funds. I'll get to level 5 and faction/park him in chardok to get some no drop goodies while I farm.

Relying on procs is not fun. Even with Truncheon, sometimes my warrior struggles with fights because the Truncheon won't proc until the mob is nearly dead, or until I'm nearly dead.

Yeah procs are always a gamble. I ran the numbers in the EC warrior weapon thread and if you get any 400hate proc off it basically wins over even SBOZ white damage but most EC 1h proc weapons don't have great ratios so if you don't proc you're left behind. I was wondering how much I wanted to gamble on that in a group setting at 40+. I figured with everyone being twinked you might want a little edge.

[Crede]

Don’t even bother with scd. Just go dual lammies / jade mace and switch to reaver at 20. Even with cap it still slaps your duel wield isnt that good yet.

[WarpathEQ]

I think technically CHA is the big brain min/max starting stat for warriors. Not really sure what advice to give when you are clearly an end game min/maxxer but building a toon that you don't plan to use that way.

Obvious melee twink gear to get started. Only thing I haven't seen mentioned is the venomous axe is a no-brainer cheap twink weapon that procs at lvl 1. Pair it with a frost bringer for some solid dps/agro. Probably wait until 30 to swap to a 2hander if you do.

I personally would roll Ogre but I did find myself thinking Gnome based on the details OP provided. If you can get some of that tinkering gear its pretty nice for solo stuff.

[usmcjdking]

Gnome Warrior can easily solo to 60 whereas the other races can't do it without an extreme amount of twinking. I know because I spent a vast majority of my time soloing on my gnome warrior.

You realistically only need 3 items to solo on gnome warrior - Cobalt BP, Bandaid Dagger, Clockwork Arms.

[Defo]

Yeah procs are always a gamble. I ran the numbers in the EC warrior weapon thread and if you get any 400hate proc off it basically wins over even SBOZ white damage but most EC 1h proc weapons don't have great ratios so if you don't proc you're left behind. I was wondering how much I wanted to gamble on that in a group setting at 40+. I figured with everyone being twinked you might want a little edge.

On my warrior, I noticed the best combo for aggro was Seb Croaking Dirk + Frostbringer. I'd assume, naturally that Swiftblade of Zek and Blade of Carnage would do better.

That combo Seb Dirk + FB beat things like the Sarnak Warhammer, Wrapped Entropy Spine, etc. The 18 delay on the main hand is great for aggro.

[Crede]

Gnome Warrior can easily solo to 60 whereas the other races can't do it without an extreme amount of twinking. I know because I spent a vast majority of my time soloing on my gnome warrior.

You realistically only need 3 items to solo on gnome warrior - Cobalt BP, Bandaid Dagger, Clockwork Arms.

I’ve soloed a few different war builds, gnome included. I did a full dex build on my dwarf warrior who had the eyepatch of plunder, so gnome only had a 20% haste edge on me with arms. Also i had KT axe. Can’t think of a place gnome would have gone that my dwarf wouldn’t have. Biggest problem is cc at the higher levels. No matter how much dps you have you’re not really splitting 2-3 mobs without some lucky procs or breaking camp on another char. Warriors really aren’t a solo char despite how much you twink them. especially since root net recharge cost was nerfed.

[Jimjam]

Any race war can grind 51-60 on sonic bats / ldc, even if it is tiresome.

Rotten skeleton is an easy spot. The sk in loio sarnak fort. There are paths.

[Goregasmic]

Don’t even bother with scd. Just go dual lammies / jade mace and switch to reaver at 20. Even with cap it still slaps your duel wield isnt that good yet.

I also have 2 GCM lying around which are solid. I mentioned the SDC because the ratio is hard to beat for the price but yeah, around 20-30 i'll be switching to 2handers until at least 40 anyway.

I think technically CHA is the big brain min/max starting stat for warriors. Not really sure what advice to give when you are clearly an end game min/maxxer but building a toon that you don't plan to use that way.

Obvious melee twink gear to get started. Only thing I haven't seen mentioned is the venomous axe is a no-brainer cheap twink weapon that procs at lvl 1. Pair it with a frost bringer for some solid dps/agro. Probably wait until 30 to swap to a 2hander if you do.

I personally would roll Ogre but I did find myself thinking Gnome based on the details OP provided. If you can get some of that tinkering gear its pretty nice for solo stuff.

Yeah cha for DI but I'm not sure I'll ever get DI casted on me so I'm not looking to min/max that hard. I'm not even sure I'll ever raid on the toon but I'd still like to avoid some pitfalls. Gnome would be a good choice but my main is gnome and I want to try something else. Never tried ogre/troll starter areas so I'd like to do that at least once and try guk at lower levels and never played a large race either so that is interesting to me.

Yeah, I do have a venomous axe I plan to start with. Didn't mention it because I tried it when getting an EC bard mule to level 5 and I was underwhelmed by the proc rate but I'll see if it works better on longer kills. It also seems around lvl 25 when mobs get 1khp+ the proc starts losing its usefulness considering mallet is same damage but 20% faster. Def getting a frostbringer at 40 though.

On my warrior, I noticed the best combo for aggro was Seb Croaking Dirk + Frostbringer. I'd assume, naturally that Swiftblade of Zek and Blade of Carnage would do better.

That combo Seb Dirk + FB beat things like the Sarnak Warhammer, Wrapped Entropy Spine, etc. The 18 delay on the main hand is great for aggro.

I recently learned that offhand hate generation seems bugged and uses the damage bonus in the hate calc even if it doesn't benefit from it in terms of damage. Hate calc is weap dmg + dmg bonus on every swing. Meaning SDC + Frostbringer would be better damage but FB + SDC would do more hate on paper due to proc weap in main hand.

[Keebz]

Gnome war BiS - self haste buff, wall hacks, goggle helmets. Need I say more?

You also get robes and are pre-shrunk. However, your weapon models are really small so your swag mostly comes from your helmet.

Halfling on the other hand has normal sized weapon models and the best feet graphics in the game.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Even for a casual warrior I'd aim for 175 dex. Sure you can rely on root for keeping aggro in groups. But getting to the 'sweet spot' of 175 is imnense for the proc rate and therefore hate/aggro generation.

[Jimjam]

I've read all sorts of contradictory info on proc rates - that it is a linear increase with dex, that it is a staggered increase every 50 starting at 105. I have no idea what is correct (neither in classic timeline nor for whatever the implementation is here).

What is the theory or data behind the 175 sweet spot? I've never read that one before.

[OriginalContentGuy]

I've read all sorts of contradictory info on proc rates - that it is a linear increase with dex, that it is a staggered increase every 50 starting at 105. I have no idea what is correct (neither in classic timeline nor for whatever the implementation is here).

What is the theory or data behind the 175 sweet spot? I've never read that one before.

I remember reading on the wiki about proc rates and dex. The research I read at the time indicated that going to 175 dex is the sweet spot because beyond that it's diminishing returns. Going from ~110 to 175 was a very large difference in average proc rate in my own experience. So while not claiming to know the exact formula I will still posit that 175 dex was vastly superior to 110 (and sweet).

[Goregasmic]

Yeah, I don't think that's possible with EC gear. Been down that rabbit hole before

Cobalt bp +12
Matchless legs +13
Maelstrom cloak +10
2x silver chitin wrists + 14.

So 49dex without really sacrificing anything. You could spend an extra 18k to swap maelstrom for COF and RBB which would net you 9dex i think. And then swap blood runed gauntlets for gauntlets of fiery might, you lose like 14ac for 7dex for a total of 16.

So 65 dex if im not missing anything. As an ogre you start with 70, 77 if you cap sta and dump the balance in dex so it brings you to 142. Probably could get to 150 with minor pieces.

if you don't have the budget for mithril gloves or WDG/HoRZ that's about it if you're not grouped with a shaman. Not sure if the 175 buffed is buffed or not.

[Vexenu]

If you're mostly soloing you won't gain much from procs anyway, at least until 50 when you can start proccing Truncheon of Doom. You're better off just maximizing your DPS, and for gear keeping a balance between AC/HP/STR. If you have enough HP to reliably kill blue cons while staying berserk, you'll have a good time.

[kjs86z2]

i wouldnt worry about dex / procs at all - white damage is king

id use staff of battle if it meant having a fungi and seahorse belt

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah, I don't think that's possible with EC gear. Been down that rabbit hole before

Cobalt bp +12
Matchless legs +13
Maelstrom cloak +10
2x silver chitin wrists + 14.

So 49dex without really sacrificing anything. You could spend an extra 18k to swap maelstrom for COF and RBB which would net you 9dex i think. And then swap blood runed gauntlets for gauntlets of fiery might, you lose like 14ac for 7dex for a total of 16.

So 65 dex if im not missing anything. As an ogre you start with 70, 77 if you cap sta and dump the balance in dex so it brings you to 142. Probably could get to 150 with minor pieces.

if you don't have the budget for mithril gloves or WDG/HoRZ that's about it if you're not grouped with a shaman. Not sure if the 175 buffed is buffed or not.

You could get 6 DEX from https://wiki.project1999.com/Ayillish%27s_Talisman . Not buyable in EC directly, but easy enough to get in a guild, or paying for loot rights. A Torpor Shaman can solo Ayillish, and she spawns every 8 hours I think. I have sold loot rights on blue before.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Fancy_Velvet_Mantle is a good dex piece for melees with +9 DEX. You'd only lose 5 STR, 5 STA, and 3 AC when unequipping Barbed Dragonscale Pauldrons. Shoulder armor generally has lower stats anyway. I use this on my monk.

If you don't mind swapping gear in a fight, https://wiki.project1999.com/Overseer%60s_Signet put on 2x of these once you lose the 130 HP from your 6/65 rings for another 16 DEX. These rings have higher AC too at 8 AC each.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Twisted_Bone_Earring is also a decent earring since it has 5 DEX, 5 AC, and 20HP. Unless you buy loot rights for Hammered Golden Loops, you're probably using something like Orc Fang Earrings anyway.

So you could easily get another 30 to 36 DEX without any major sacrifices. And price-wise all of this is a lot cheaper than mithril gauntlets.

[sammoHung]

As an ogre you start with 70


theres your issue. dwarf start with 90

[OriginalContentGuy]

Everything DSM listed I agree with; on top of that there's also +DEX to be had in the face slot; the Grotesque Alloy Mask and Eyepatch of the Shadows are tunnel obtainable. And if the idea of swapping rings during a fight just seems like something you don't want (:o)just wear one Overseer's Signet permanently or until you upgrade.

theres your issue. dwarf start with 90
Welcome back sibling!

[kjs86z2]

imagine swapping rings in combat

[OriginalContentGuy]

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[Keebz]

I wouldn't bother with DEX. The obtainable procing weapons while leveling aren't worth it relative to the sheer DPS of EC weapons. WESS and Infestation are nerfed. Frostbringer is OK, but terrible main hand, so you're getting pretty mid value. Meanwhile Reaver is 4k and Staff of Battle is free. Once you're raiding, you just get a cheap primal 2h and DEX never matters again.

DEX is a much bigger deal on a fresh server where you have to wave Yaks and Obsidian Shards around and pretend like you're useful. It stays somewhat helpful through Kunark and then stops being relevant in Velious.

[Snaggles]

Gnome warrior is the most rational solo pick. Gnome wall vision to avoid bumbling into multiple spawns you can’t split and 40% haste arms. The boots and gloves are a nice dex and strength bump if you care to use them. Frankly…just being double shrunk innately is a big win. Makes for a crappy Tunare tank but better in almost every other fight. And you never need to buy a Cobalt bracer.

Capping Stamina casually isn’t too hard. Big downfall at 60 unless you have good gear will be limited in some of the other stats. Will maybe need Focus and Str to DPS; focus and STA for max HP’s.

I never have bought the FSI or regen for a warrior. Regen really only peaks near 60 and that is a TON of grinding with a 20% xp nerf to get a coupe/few extra hps a tick standing. If not gnome, halfling sneak or a race with hide would be my #2 and #3 pick. Main perk for a big warrior is the weighed axe but Bowquest is waiting for its nerf.

But really, roll what you like the look of.

[kjs86z2]

Gnome war BiS - self haste buff, wall hacks, goggle helmets. Need I say more?

[Crede]

Gnome warrior is the most rational solo pick. Gnome wall vision to avoid bumbling into multiple spawns you can’t split and 40% haste arms. The boots and gloves are a nice dex and strength bump if you care to use them. Frankly…just being double shrunk innately is a big win. Makes for a crappy Tunare tank but better in almost every other fight. And you never need to buy a Cobalt bracer.

Capping Stamina casually isn’t too hard. Big downfall at 60 unless you have good gear will be limited in some of the other stats. Will maybe need Focus and Str to DPS; focus and STA for max HP’s.

I never have bought the FSI or regen for a warrior. Regen really only peaks near 60 and that is a TON of grinding with a 20% xp nerf to get a coupe/few extra hps a tick standing. If not gnome, halfling sneak or a race with hide would be my #2 and #3 pick. Main perk for a big warrior is the weighed axe but Bowquest is waiting for its nerf.

But really, roll what you like the look of.

How does bow dps with weighted axe compare to reaver?

[Snaggles]

How does bow dps with weighted axe compare to reaver?

I just meant for bowquesting using the 2h delay damage bonus for archery, which eventually is going to be changed anyways.

[Goregasmic]

Thanks all, I think I'll stick with the initial plan, go all out AC/HP/STA with a couple critical leveling items and adjust along the road. I got a bunch of decent weaps that should keep me going just fine until 50.

You could get 6 DEX from https://wiki.project1999.com/Ayillish%27s_Talisman . Not buyable in EC directly, but easy enough to get in a guild, or paying for loot rights. A Torpor Shaman can solo Ayillish, and she spawns every 8 hours I think. I have sold loot rights on blue before.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Fancy_Velvet_Mantle is a good dex piece for melees with +9 DEX. You'd only lose 5 STR, 5 STA, and 3 AC when unequipping Barbed Dragonscale Pauldrons. Shoulder armor generally has lower stats anyway. I use this on my monk.

If you don't mind swapping gear in a fight, https://wiki.project1999.com/Overseer%60s_Signet put on 2x of these once you lose the 130 HP from your 6/65 rings for another 16 DEX. These rings have higher AC too at 8 AC each.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Twisted_Bone_Earring is also a decent earring since it has 5 DEX, 5 AC, and 20HP. Unless you buy loot rights for Hammered Golden Loops, you're probably using something like Orc Fang Earrings anyway.

So you could easily get another 30 to 36 DEX without any major sacrifices. And price-wise all of this is a lot cheaper than mithril gauntlets.

Never seen the +6 talismans LR for sale on green but that would be nice for literally all my toons haha. Yeah I have a whole bunch of signets, figured it might help a bit with venomous axe until level 20 or so where fungi basically makes you invulnerable. I'd most likely do the HGL camp with chanter for 2 of them or pair one with a pearly bauble. Wasn't too sure on shoulders, was torn between chokidai hide spauldors, barbed dragonscale or yeah, fancy velvet. I also have matchless mantle on my cleric I could swap over also but I feel it is kinda more valuable on cleric right now. Hardened bone spauldors is also an option.

And yeah, considered eyepatch of shadows but it is 4k for not much I find. I planned on using tribal war mask until I can sneak the warrior in seb with my chanter and get a gangrenous beetle mask like I did on my ranger.



Gnome warrior is the most rational solo pick. Gnome wall vision to avoid bumbling into multiple spawns you can’t split and 40% haste arms. The boots and gloves are a nice dex and strength bump if you care to use them. Frankly…just being double shrunk innately is a big win. Makes for a crappy Tunare tank but better in almost every other fight. And you never need to buy a Cobalt bracer.

Capping Stamina casually isn’t too hard. Big downfall at 60 unless you have good gear will be limited in some of the other stats. Will maybe need Focus and Str to DPS; focus and STA for max HP’s.

I never have bought the FSI or regen for a warrior. Regen really only peaks near 60 and that is a TON of grinding with a 20% xp nerf to get a coupe/few extra hps a tick standing. If not gnome, halfling sneak or a race with hide would be my #2 and #3 pick. Main perk for a big warrior is the weighed axe but Bowquest is waiting for its nerf.

But really, roll what you like the look of.

I don't want to just solo, I'd like to mostly group but not always possible so I'd still like to solo every now and then. I guess you can do this with whatever race. I've played gnome a lot the last 2 years so I just want something different. And yeah, I was thinking about troll and the 20% penalty and innate regen makes less and less sense. I guess it is cool if war is your first char or main but I have other toons who can solo much better so I don't really need that self reliance beyond leveling. Leaning toward ogre more and more.

[Jimjam]

I'm late to the party, but if you aren't loading up on tink bags, then I find strength to be super useful when levelling toons just to haul all that plat/gold and weighty fine steel, etc around.

[sammoHung]

Welcome back sibling!

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[Goregasmic]

I'm late to the party, but if you aren't loading up on tink bags, then I find strength to be super useful when levelling toons just to haul all that plat/gold and weighty fine steel, etc around.

Yeah going from a nearly permanently overburdened caster to a ranger with 180+str felt weird. Soiled bag, light burlap sack and sewn evil eye was more than enough unless you're moving anvils. I also like the forager bag for food/reagents. If you can handle the CS sirens wenglak's manly purse is great too. Monk is another story though, I feel you need at least 1 tinkbag for weaps/ot hammer.

Large race warriors start with 113str at the minimum and a lot of tanky gear has str slapped on it.

[Nickelback8469]

I don't want to just solo, I'd like to mostly group but not always possible so I'd still like to solo every now and then. I guess you can do this with whatever race. I've played gnome a lot the last 2 years so I just want something different. And yeah, I was thinking about troll and the 20% penalty and innate regen makes less and less sense. I guess it is cool if war is your first char or main but I have other toons who can solo much better so I don't really need that self reliance beyond leveling. Leaning toward ogre more and more.

With the warrior's XP bonus the racial penalties are nowhere near as painful!

[Crede]

Yea if anything it actually makes more sense to play a penalty race as war since it won’t feel as bad with the war xp bonus.

Although if you can stand to look at halflings with hide / sneak and the big xp bonus and the ability to wear that sweet dwarven armor hard to argue against that if you just want to cruise to 60 as fast as possible.

[Crede]

I'm late to the party, but if you aren't loading up on tink bags, then I find strength to be super useful when levelling toons just to haul all that plat/gold and weighty fine steel, etc around.

Is why str is the best starting stat.

[Goregasmic]

With the warrior's XP bonus the racial penalties are nowhere near as painful!

Yeah I checked yesterday.

Troll do get 20% penalty but I didn't know ogre got 15%.

With the warrior bonus it turns out:

Ogre Warrior: -3.5%
Troll Warrior: -8%

Which isn't that bad but when you compare it to most race, they get +10% and halfling +14,5% which is quite a big deal. Doesn't matter anymore at 60 though and you get to keep the racials.

[Snaggles]

Soloing a warrior to 60 isn’t difficult but you are more restricted in hunting spots since we live in a post-wooly net recharging world. The gnome haste arms really help not being confined as much to a solo bard diet.

If you are twinked to the gills it doesn’t really matter but it takes a lot of oomph to make up for 40% haste and ultimately a gnome always has that while other races don’t. Outside dps being able to max self haste to 81% instead of 61% is more aggro. For how cheap batteries are half the time it’s not worth bothering a sham to haste you of clicking the arms.

The biggest annoyance of being small aside going up stairs is a lack of 2h slam. If DW you can swap in a shield to bash, or rely on kick for stuns 55+ but that’s a lot of levels where casters are annoying you. Also, bash is a higher skill cap which I’m not certain is a factor with chance to hit/interupt as much as how much damage it does on average (likely the latter).

I do strongly feel the whole “play what you like the look of” thing is paramount in EQ. You can’t easily make up for any stat or racial innate differences but aesthetics can’t be fixed without an AoN.

How does bow dps with weighted axe compare to reaver?

Sorry Crede, my last answer didn’t address this properly.

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Starting at level 40 a weighted axe adds 40 damage to each shot where DW is one. At 60, it’s 115 vs 11. I was thinking less as a dps build and more for soloing as those are huge hits presuming you can root the target or keep range to cheese a kill with bow kiting.

[Goregasmic]

Ended up making an Ogre, I picked the dumb face. Put all my armor on and I look like a katamari ball of trash, this is glorious. Having like 750hp at level 1 is kind of nice, with HGL and some other stuff I don't have yet you could probably make a warrior with nearly 1000hp at level 5. Took me about 10 minutes sitting to regen to full. I didn't transfer the fungi yet but I don't think the mobs are going to chew through all that any time soon.


Their newbie yard is absolute shit though not even sure you're allowed to call it that. Unless I'm missing something mob density is terrible and the woods look the same all over, not sure what OG devs were thinking. Great introduction for a new player... All I wanted is level 5 and getting ported out at the feerrott ring but that's asking a lot apparently.

10/10 will play again.

[Snaggles]

Innothule Swamp is 10x better. They all suck compared to WC though which is an easy run to train in Neriak (95% sure they won’t murder you unless you go poking around in the wrong guild).

[OriginalContentGuy]

Interestingly a halfling cleric of bristlebane is tolerated even in Neriak's third gate with no faction work by default. Maybe this is because even Innoruuk respects Bristlebane but I was really surprised to see it. Maybe consider Bristlebane if Neriak is important as a newbie. Not even sure if that's a valid option.

[Goregasmic]

Innothule Swamp is 10x better. They all suck compared to WC though which is an easy run to train in Neriak (95% sure they won’t murder you unless you go poking around in the wrong guild).

Yeah never did a troll but from going through inno swamp often it definitely looked better. I looked up the newbie quest in oggok and they seem pretty bad too.

I'll farm chardok a bit on my main so I'm getting warrior to level 5 and faction him so he can loot sarnak war bow, HGLs, hardened bone spauldors and maybe even a lightningcaller while I'm there. after that the world is my oyster. I haven't figured a leveling path yet. I wanted to work on chanter epic more serious which means locking your character somewhere so I'm basically outfitting a bunch of alts to play them while waiting for mobs to pop. I think I want to bring him to Uguk after and see how far I can make it just because that seems to be the local dungeon with decent ZEM. Runners will be interesting.

Interestingly a halfling cleric of bristlebane is tolerated even in Neriak's third gate with no faction work by default. Maybe this is because even Innoruuk respects Bristlebane but I was really surprised to see it. Maybe consider Bristlebane if Neriak is important as a newbie. Not even sure if that's a valid option.

I think I could only get cazic/rallos so I picked rallos, I'd probably be fine. I was also suprised my agnostic gnome was tolerated there. IIRC the cleric guild hates her anyway but I need nothing there anyway.