How to solo twink a rogue?

[TheBlob]

So I'd like to start a rogue and maybe give him a little hand, especially in regards to weapons. I like to farm/quest things myself and very rarely buy anything (51+ spells are the biggest exception). What are items that would help out a newbie rogue and that are attainable with:

A level 60 Magician;
a level 57 Druid;
or a level 52 Monk?

So far, I see the Burning Rapier quest. What is the easiest way to MQ it? Any other items that are more worth it? The Iksar Berzerker Club is also not bad.

For haste: I can camp FBSS with my Magician.
For regen: Is camping Iksar Ceremonial Chestplate viable with a 57 druid? I feel like it might be difficult with the limited track range.

Any input is welcome :)

Cheers!

[kjs86z2]

Without a Fungi I don't see a point.

[sammoHung]

I soloed my rogue 1-60. I had a Fungi tunic, and also had enough to buy a Ragebringer MQ at level 46 - but I was able to do it fairly easily. (Not easy compared to monk, mage, dru though)

a) Master the side-stab or step-through stab.
I used the side-stab, because I could never get the step-through stab working. After the mob swings, there's a tiny delay where they don't move - use that tiny delay to strafe to the side of mob and backstab, OR step-through the mob and backstab.

b) Spine Break poison is OP
Spine break is a low skill poison that can be used all the way while levelling (once you get make poison skill) Spine break is 50% slow and a root. They are expensive to make, but worth it, imo.

c) Stick to outdoor zones and use intimidation
Intimidate is actually pretty reliable. If you side-strafe while chasing a feared mob, you are more likely to hit than if you followed directly behind.

For gear - Get a high damage mainhand and a fast offhand. Gear is a spectrum, and rogues are either the worst, or second worst solo class, depending on who you ask. I think the ability to hide/sneak and the backstab gives a slight advantage over warrior - but either way it will be a slog.

[Snaggles]

You can get a Seb Dirk for port plat. Spend plat on spine break or find a duo buddy.
It’s painful with a fungi so I’d probably do that char after you can land one. Or resort to duoing to 60 with a friend.

[Cecily]

Don't level a rogue on a dead EQ server.

[Jimjam]

It seems to me that much of this project is an exuse to camp items, rather than it strictly being about the rogue?

I'd suggest to find SCHW a much easier camp than FBSS. Perhaps you may find it easier to back and forth between your characters to split the camp, but the parts are there and I think you'd be able to take the boss. I'm sure you can think of the best strategy for you with your own characters.

I find the ceremonial iksar chestplate is good until about 30-40. I've seen plenty of druids do the camp. There are other nice loots from the camp too. Maybe have your rogue parked there in case you have a hangman's noose drop (17% no drop head/waist haste)?

Mobs which cast can be pretty decent for rogues if you have a decent dmg stabber - while they cast it is much easier to position to the rear to get in back stab.

Speaking of backstab, it is based off DMG. I think you want to find a more damaging main hander than the burning rapier if you want to xp on things more serious than greens and the lowest blues. Immediately the Harpoon of the Depths jumps out to me 8/25 (Loio from Bloodgill goblins - green xp for the druid, a bit more tricky for the monk). If you can get in on some platehouse I think you can find the Frozen Shard (13 26) or maybe you may find one of your toons can haul loot from skyshrine for Lath Drinor (and other stuff).

[WarpathEQ]

Solo rogue requires a lot of solid gear (to do it in any reasonably efficient manner), especially 40+. I had both a fungi and mrylokars BP (for faster out of combat recovery), epic once equippable, and a variety of other gear and even then it was restricted to only fighting green mobs in open areas with poisons and intimidation RNG on every single fight, and caster like down times between mobs.

I say all that to say that if you are "twinking" with self found gear only your solo rogue aint gonna get too far and will be painful enough to make the overwhelming majority of people quit.

If you really want to do a solo twink rogue proper you're looking at several hundred thousand in gear to get things like flayed barbarian mask, fungi/mrylo BP, epic, horn of hsagra, and full skyshrine armor. Even then you're probably still relying on things like poison, intimidation, and green cons to get all the way to 60.

[Vexenu]

OP isn't asking how to twink a solo Rogue, he's asking how to acquire the best Rogue twink gear while soloing with one of his other characters.

[sammoHung]

OP isn't asking how to twink a solo Rogue, he's asking how to acquire the best Rogue twink gear while soloing with one of his other characters.

I noticed this earlier, he's asking "How to solo twink a rogue" and I read it as "How to solo a twink rogue"

[WarpathEQ]

OP isn't asking how to twink a solo Rogue, he's asking how to acquire the best Rogue twink gear while soloing with one of his other characters.

To which the simple answer is...

You don't

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[Cecily]

I noticed this earlier, he's asking "How to solo twink a rogue" and I read it as "How to solo a twink rogue"

To which the simple answer is...

You don't

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Do.. do you know what twinking is?

[Jimjam]

To which the simple answer is...

You don't

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whaaa?

You don't solo on the mage, druid or monk to twink a rogue?

Are you saying just get some mates and get proper twinkage? or are you saying farm pp and buy the twinkage? I am confused.

[kjs86z2]

someone needs to use his pp on another twink?

[Vexenu]

OP, I know you said you don't like to buy things and prefer to camp items yourself, but with access to a 60 Mage you can easily farm up several thousand plat through cash camps in just a few days of casual play. This is enough to buy a Frozen Shard/Seb Croaking Dirk combo, FBSS/SCHW, and you can basically fill the rest of the slots with a mix of STR, AC and HP gear. Very cheap and easy gearing that will carry you until you get your epic and Velious quest armor. You will get much better twink gear much quicker just farming the plat with your Mage than attempting to camp stuff yourself.

[WarpathEQ]

I'm saying its a complete waste of time and nothing that OP is self-found farming with the toons he has is going to make any meaningful difference in the journey that the rogue he wants to start will have. That the gear requirements to twink a rogue to actually give it additional utility is way beyond self-found gear. He's going to end up grouping 100% of the time from lvl 1 on so instead of wasting weeks or months filling a couple slots with what will prove to be meaningless gear just roll the rogue and start accruing exp now, or better yet start working on your monk which for all intents and purposes can do everything the rogue will be able to and more.

[Duik]

To which the simple answer is...

I don't

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There. I fixed it for you.

[Vivitron]

It seems to me that much of this project is an exuse to camp items, rather than it strictly being about the rogue?

I'd suggest to find SCHW a much easier camp than FBSS. Perhaps you may find it easier to back and forth between your characters to split the camp, but the parts are there and I think you'd be able to take the boss. I'm sure you can think of the best strategy for you with your own characters.

I find the ceremonial iksar chestplate is good until about 30-40. I've seen plenty of druids do the camp. There are other nice loots from the camp too. Maybe have your rogue parked there in case you have a hangman's noose drop (17% no drop head/waist haste)?

Mobs which cast can be pretty decent for rogues if you have a decent dmg stabber - while they cast it is much easier to position to the rear to get in back stab.

Speaking of backstab, it is based off DMG. I think you want to find a more damaging main hander than the burning rapier if you want to xp on things more serious than greens and the lowest blues. Immediately the Harpoon of the Depths jumps out to me 8/25 (Loio from Bloodgill goblins - green xp for the druid, a bit more tricky for the monk). If you can get in on some platehouse I think you can find the Frozen Shard (13 26) or maybe you may find one of your toons can haul loot from skyshrine for Lath Drinor (and other stuff).

I'll add that there's also a kael factioned quest for the frozen shard that would be trivial on the druid except for the turn in faction. Not sure about the turn in without kael faction, though. The wiki page talks about sneak turn in with an unfactioned character so it might be viable to loot the letter on the monk or rogue and figure out a way to turn in.

[Snaggles]

A Druid can do the TT cycle at 57. Id still push to 60 first because it’s a worthwhile upgrade. That said…you can xp off the cycle. It’s a good way to get an Iksar mask and regen tunic.

Skip the burning rapier and go get a seb dirk. I’d rather farm HG’s than run around questing the BR.

[Keebz]

Hunter Forager cycle alone can get you haste, a piercer, ikky bp and a few random other pieces, which is not great, but something if you really insist on the self-found aspect.

[TheBlob]

It seems to me that much of this project is an exuse to camp items, rather than it strictly being about the rogue?

This guy gets it! I am indeed looking for an excuse to farm items. It’s my favorite part of the game 😊

For the SCHW, I believe my best bet would be my druid root rotting? Never went far in the zone, but my magician cannot take more than one mob at a time…

Also, didn’t think of Skyshrine loots! I camped them for some time but they are very rare lol. Might be a camp for me. Vivitron, I didn’t know about the Frozen Shard quest either. I might give it a go! Thanks Snaggles and Keebz for your input on the Forager cycle 😊

To kjs86z2 and WarpathEQ, who say it isn’t worth it (I especially love your detailed answer, WarpathEQ), you might be right… I never leveled a melee very high because I mostly solo and Monk seems to be the most viable option for solo (with Mend and DPS). Perhaps I will do all of this and realize non-fungi rogues cannot significantly solo, and “waste” all this time. I will keep it in mind. As for leveling my monk instead, this might be what I will do, but we recently had difficulty in a raid because we lacked DPS. I figured more people with rogues might have helped, plus I love the idea of being able to Sneak/Hide for corpse recovery, Pick Pocket gems in abandoned dungeons and opening locked doors to help me in my adventures with my RL friends. Maybe the solo leveling is too painful compared to the advantages of a rogue and monk might be a better class for me.

Vexenu and Snaggles, I don’t know why, but I really don’t want to buy any piece of gear. Maybe I want to hoard all my plat to give me the illusion that I might be able to buy Legacy items at some point hahaha

sammoHung, it indeed seems you gave me tips on how to solo play a rogue. Thanks for the tips 😊

Cheers everyone and thanks for the input!

[WarpathEQ]

This guy gets it! I am indeed looking for an excuse to farm items. ItÂ’s my favorite part of the game 😊

For the SCHW, I believe my best bet would be my druid root rotting? Never went far in the zone, but my magician cannot take more than one mob at a timeÂ…

Also, didnÂ’t think of Skyshrine loots! I camped them for some time but they are very rare lol. Might be a camp for me. Vivitron, I didnÂ’t know about the Frozen Shard quest either. I might give it a go! Thanks Snaggles and Keebz for your input on the Forager cycle 😊

To kjs86z2 and WarpathEQ, who say it isn’t worth it (I especially love your detailed answer, WarpathEQ), you might be right… I never leveled a melee very high because I mostly solo and Monk seems to be the most viable option for solo (with Mend and DPS). Perhaps I will do all of this and realize non-fungi rogues cannot significantly solo, and “waste” all this time. I will keep it in mind. As for leveling my monk instead, this might be what I will do, but we recently had difficulty in a raid because we lacked DPS. I figured more people with rogues might have helped, plus I love the idea of being able to Sneak/Hide for corpse recovery, Pick Pocket gems in abandoned dungeons and opening locked doors to help me in my adventures with my RL friends. Maybe the solo leveling is too painful compared to the advantages of a rogue and monk might be a better class for me.

Vexenu and Snaggles, I donÂ’t know why, but I really donÂ’t want to buy any piece of gear. Maybe I want to hoard all my plat to give me the illusion that I might be able to buy Legacy items at some point hahaha

sammoHung, it indeed seems you gave me tips on how to solo play a rogue. Thanks for the tips 😊

Cheers everyone and thanks for the input!

100% not trying to yuck someone's yum just trying to value your time (or project a fraction of how I value my time on to you maybe). As someone who leveled multiple rogues for the same reason (not enough raid DPS), mains a rogue, and is now leveling a monk the advice came from a place of walking this road (with a way bigger investment in twink gear). If I had to do it over I would much rather have a monk with a bunch of BIS gear over my rogue as I could do a lot more with it both inside and outside of raids. You'll find monks at the high end can rival rogue DPS in raid environments and have a lot more utility than the rogue does and what you've described of your typically solo play style, continuing to work on your monk that you already have a huge head start on will reap more rewards than starting fresh on a rogue.

The main reason rogues are prolific for raid DPS is because the threshold to get them to raid level DPS is really low, much lower than being able to solo anything 40+. Its basically just an epic and some resist gear and buffs will pretty much max your stats. So its cheaper and quicker for large guilds to power level entire groups of rogues, where they don't have a gear threshold to obtain solid exp, get them an epic and some cheap gear and send them into battle. From an individual player stand point monk beats rogue in effectively every category.

As far as farming stuff yourself sounds like FBSS would be your go-to haste item as it sounds you are familiar and comfortable with the zone/camp and its superior to SCHW. I would stay away from Iksar berserker club from a rarity stand point as I've spent hundreds of hours farming in KC and just saw my first one ever (PS. you can have it for free if you're on green), unless someone can confirm its way more common/easier to obtain in Kurns.

I would check out Chardok castle entrance on your Druid, you can charm the dogs in there, great way to finish off lvl 60 and there are a handful of good pre-raid loot that are good items for rogues and monks.

[Goregasmic]

Fellow camper here.

Personally I camp everything I can camp and then buy what I cannot. I have a 60 ench so it helps a lot.

In the end you could probably get a shit geared rogue solo to 60 but know that around 47--52 it gets a LOT rougher. Like, still rough with fungi, 34% hate and BIS EC weap/gear so while you can still technically solo all the way you'll have to be cool with a glacial grinding pace compared to most. If you're cool with that you're all set but at this point in the server a lot of tge more wealthy people wouldn't touch a melee without fungi and 34%+ haste just for QOL and refurns on grinding speed.

[Snaggles]

If you aren’t shopping for stuff I can see the urge to camp them.

I’d probably push the Druid to 60 just because you would have better luck, especially for those without the epic (no clue if you have it or not). You might even run into this while messing around in TT

https://wiki.project1999.com/Trakasaur%27s_Tooth

[Crede]

So I'd like to start a rogue and maybe give him a little hand, especially in regards to weapons. I like to farm/quest things myself and very rarely buy anything (51+ spells are the biggest exception). What are items that would help out a newbie rogue and that are attainable with:

A level 60 Magician;
a level 57 Druid;
or a level 52 Monk?

So far, I see the Burning Rapier quest. What is the easiest way to MQ it? Any other items that are more worth it? The Iksar Berzerker Club is also not bad.

For haste: I can camp FBSS with my Magician.
For regen: Is camping Iksar Ceremonial Chestplate viable with a 57 druid? I feel like it might be difficult with the limited track range.

Any input is welcome :)

Cheers!

Weapon wise not many options with your chars. Both will be in KC, locustlure and jade mace. Slow proc will help solo. Gl

[Goregasmic]

Weapon wise not many options with your chars. Both will be in KC, locustlure and jade mace. Slow proc will help solo. Gl

At 60 he could get a rabid chokidai fang in chardok I guess? Or maybe a fester. Sarnak backstabber for sure.

Or a trak tooth. Nothing crazy but they're not terrible either.

[Crede]

At 60 he could get a rabid chokidai fang in chardok I guess? Or maybe a fester. Sarnak backstabber for sure.

Or a trak tooth. Nothing crazy but they're not terrible either.

That fang has a worse ratio than jade mace. But for the fashion and proc maybe worth it.

[Goregasmic]

That fang has a worse ratio than jade mace. But for the fashion and proc maybe worth it.

Figured he'd want a weapon with a sharp end sooner or later.

GCM is better than JM though, not sure which is easier to get for a druid.

[Crede]

Figured he'd want a weapon with a sharp end sooner or later.

GCM is better than JM though, not sure which is easier to get for a druid.

Jade mace no doubt. Can harmo in KC, and zone out in 2 seconds at captain camp. Locustlure in main for backstabs and slow proc. Mallet slightly better OH though if he masters Chardok.

[Goregasmic]

Jade mace no doubt. Can harmo in KC, and zone out in 2 seconds at captain camp. Locustlure in main for backstabs and slow proc. Mallet slightly better OH though if he masters Chardok.

Locusture is 8/17, underwhelming ratio and it procs at 46. All previously mentionned daggers have a slightly better ratio and BS damage. RCF falls off a cliff the more damage bonus you get though. Sarnak backstabber is probably the best middleground. Not sure how doable it is with KC being crowded but if he could clean the moat while working on jade mace that would optimize his camping time though but just clearing the rampart is probably a lot of work.

Haven't played a druid in chardok but the GCM guy is basically by himself close to zone out. Charming is kind of out of the question since there would be too much to clear but he could probably root rot him without too much trouble.

[Vexenu]

Might be worth using Locustlure offhand. Leave it in for the first half of a fight and hope for a lucky proc, swap to a superior ratio offhand if you don't get one. 8/17 isn't great, but in the offhand you wouldn't be losing too much DPS.

[Wakanda]

Why was the Burning Rapier so bad? I guess the original version was even worse than the 7/20 one ;) like what was they thinking when they made this item.

[Jimjam]

Why was the Burning Rapier so bad? I guess the original version was even worse than the 7/20 one ;) like what was they thinking when they made this item.

You're looking at it through the eyes of post Kunark mudflation. You need to look at it as a first gen character still levelling up before even hate/fear/sky were out.

[Goregasmic]

Yeah if you run the weapon efficiency formula (dmg x2 +dmgbonus)/dly locustlure is real close to a jade mace at 60 and it beats all the 10/20 weapons. At 46 it might be worth it to just keep it main hand. Not sure how it would fare in backstab damage dps wise but if you can be bothered you might want to swap it for backstabs especially when you get double backstabs.

In before "join a guild and just get a mrylokar's".

[TheBlob]

100% not trying to yuck someone's yum just trying to value your time (or project a fraction of how I value my time on to you maybe). As someone who leveled multiple rogues for the same reason (not enough raid DPS), mains a rogue, and is now leveling a monk the advice came from a place of walking this road (with a way bigger investment in twink gear). If I had to do it over I would much rather have a monk with a bunch of BIS gear over my rogue as I could do a lot more with it both inside and outside of raids. You'll find monks at the high end can rival rogue DPS in raid environments and have a lot more utility than the rogue does and what you've described of your typically solo play style, continuing to work on your monk that you already have a huge head start on will reap more rewards than starting fresh on a rogue.

The main reason rogues are prolific for raid DPS is because the threshold to get them to raid level DPS is really low, much lower than being able to solo anything 40+. Its basically just an epic and some resist gear and buffs will pretty much max your stats. So its cheaper and quicker for large guilds to power level entire groups of rogues, where they don't have a gear threshold to obtain solid exp, get them an epic and some cheap gear and send them into battle. From an individual player stand point monk beats rogue in effectively every category.

As far as farming stuff yourself sounds like FBSS would be your go-to haste item as it sounds you are familiar and comfortable with the zone/camp and its superior to SCHW. I would stay away from Iksar berserker club from a rarity stand point as I've spent hundreds of hours farming in KC and just saw my first one ever (PS. you can have it for free if you're on green), unless someone can confirm its way more common/easier to obtain in Kurns.

I would check out Chardok castle entrance on your Druid, you can charm the dogs in there, great way to finish off lvl 60 and there are a handful of good pre-raid loot that are good items for rogues and monks.

Not at all! Thanks for your honest and thorough input 😊

I indeed like my monk a lot, but I sometimes get bored of my 50+ toons and like the variety of playing low level alts, even if for only 10 minutes.

For the Iksar Berzerker Club, I really don’t mind the rarity. I play most of my time semi AFK while working or doing chores so I’m ok with checking EQ every 20 minutes. The wiki is down for now so I can’t check but I didn’t know it also dropped in KC!

Goregasmic: I’m not alone!!!

Snaggles : Nice! I like camps where I can also get some exp going at the same time. The mix of linear exp progression with the random item progression is what keeps me hooked to this game :P

Crede : Now I didn’t think of those items! Since my main is a mage and has no CC, I always categorized Karnor as an “exp group zone”. These two items are indeed nice and might be possible to obtain with a druid!

Goregasmic again: I would like to try my hand a Chardok farming with my druid at some point. I guess the best bet would be to get factioned and then kill PHs and named and /q with the mob dotted and low hp to not get faction hits?

Cheers all! I should be OK with a lot of farming with all of these ideas :D

[Goregasmic]

Goregasmic again: I would like to try my hand a Chardok farming with my druid at some point. I guess the best bet would be to get factioned and then kill PHs and named and /q with the mob dotted and low hp to not get faction hits?


No the /q thing is mostly for ench in SG since the faction cannot be repaired. In chardok repairing faction is easy so no one cares to /q. What you'll want to do is farm/buy green goblin skins (get an earring of essence and an idol of the thorned while you're in droga if you go the farm route) up to warmly then claim this ring. https://wiki.project1999.com/Di%27Zok_Signet_of_Service_Quest

Then you just kill down to apprehensive and turn in more skins if you need to.

[Cecily]

You're looking at it through the eyes of post Kunark mudflation. You need to look at it as a first gen character still levelling up before even hate/fear/sky were out.
Bad weapon at any point on timeline. Rogues are not good classic characters, and they didn't get fixed until Kunark with itemization.

[Cecily]

Jade mace no doubt. Can harmo in KC, and zone out in 2 seconds at captain camp. Locustlure in main for backstabs and slow proc. Mallet slightly better OH though if he masters Chardok.
God dammit you people don't know how to play the game. Locustlure is to good weapons as Burning Rapier is to good weapons.

Yeah if you run the weapon efficiency formula (dmg x2 +dmgbonus)/dly locustlure is real close to a jade mace at 60 and it beats all the 10/20 weapons. At 46 it might be worth it to just keep it main hand. Not sure how it would fare in backstab damage dps wise but if you can be bothered you might want to swap it for backstabs especially when you get double backstabs.

In before "join a guild and just get a mrylokar's".
Please don't recommend weapon swap autism to casual players who might be seriously considering using a Locustlure as a mainhand. At that point in the game it's ok to make mistakes (like using Locustlure for damage). Squeezing peak efficiency out of your DPS class isn't something that's going to happen for someone using that bad of ratio for one, and it's too much micro for minimal gains and fucking around in your bags is distracting from a period in time you're learning agro mechanics in higher level play.


"Not sure how it would fare in backstab damage dps wise"

Poorly. 10 dmg is really the floor for rogue leveling. Crystalline Spider Fangs probably sell for 50p now. It's a little better ratio (bad) and is better rogue suited. Also obtainable solo. Obviously you should just get a Mrylokars, but you can't zone into NToV until 46.

[kjs86z2]

seb croak dirk best bang for buck all knows

[Cecily]

100%. I run that on every rogue I make. It's such a fun pre-epic and a good swap to offhand post-epic. Entry level raid ratio. And teaches you the fundamentals of how to control a fast weapon with different types of tanks leveling up.

[Crede]

God dammit you people don't know how to play the game. Locustlure is to good weapons as Burning Rapier is to good weapons.


Please don't recommend weapon swap autism to casual players who might be seriously considering using a Locustlure as a mainhand. At that point in the game it's ok to make mistakes (like using Locustlure for damage). Squeezing peak efficiency out of your DPS class isn't something that's going to happen for someone using that bad of ratio for one, and it's too much micro for minimal gains and fucking around in your bags is distracting from a period in time you're learning agro mechanics in higher level play.


"Not sure how it would fare in backstab damage dps wise"

Poorly. 10 dmg is really the floor for rogue leveling. Crystalline Spider Fangs probably sell for 50p now. It's a little better ratio (bad) and is better rogue suited. Also obtainable solo. Obviously you should just get a Mrylokars, but you can't zone into NToV until 46.

Terrible advice, don’t listen to this, OP.

They are saying don’t swap weapons but use a shitty ratio 10 dmg weapon where you’re gonna have to do solo backstab tricks which is way harder. lol!

And let’s keep recommending weapons that a druid is not gonna be remotely able To camp.

[Cecily]

Terrible advice, don’t listen to this, OP.

They are saying don’t swap weapons but use a shitty ratio 10 dmg weapon where you’re gonna have to do solo backstab tricks which is way harder. lol!
I think you misunderstood me. I said your advice was shitty and it's a shame that people like you are considered "information" now the all the old nerds are gone. I understand it's mean to tell people suggesting to swap around their weapons that they're not good at giving advice. I apologize if I come off abrasive telling you to never share an opinion online again. Like there's definitely a case for backstab swapping on stationary targets. Raid ones. It's stupid and try hard, but there's a potential benefit. It's straight up retarded for leveling up in groups. Sorry for yelling.

[sammoHung]

Terrible advice, don’t listen to this, OP.

They are saying don’t swap weapons but use a shitty ratio 10 dmg weapon where you’re gonna have to do solo backstab tricks which is way harder. lol!

And let’s keep recommending weapons that a druid is not gonna be remotely able To camp.

Solo backstab tricks are the easiest trick in a rogue's arsenal. Weapon swapping is not hard, but it's tedious and will not do any good until you are 60 and have a primal spear or Vyemm dagger

[Jimjam]

I think you misunderstood me. I said your advice was shitty and it's a shame that people like you are considered "information" now the all the old nerds are gone. I understand it's mean to tell people suggesting to swap around their weapons that they're not good at giving advice. I apologize if I come off abrasive telling you to never share an opinion online again. Like there's definitely a case for backstab swapping on stationary targets. Raid ones. It's stupid and try hard, but there's a potential benefit. It's straight up retarded for leveling up in groups. Sorry for yelling.

Double clicking left mouse while tapping 1 on the keyboard between those clicks every 10 seconds is superlatively difficult.

[Goregasmic]

Please don't recommend weapon swap autism to casual players who might be seriously considering using a Locustlure as a mainhand. At that point in the game it's ok to make mistakes (like using Locustlure for damage). Squeezing peak efficiency out of your DPS class isn't something that's going to happen for someone using that bad of ratio for one, and it's too much micro for minimal gains and fucking around in your bags is distracting from a period in time you're learning agro mechanics in higher level play.


"Not sure how it would fare in backstab damage dps wise"

Poorly. 10 dmg is really the floor for rogue leveling. Crystalline Spider Fangs probably sell for 50p now. It's a little better ratio (bad) and is better rogue suited. Also obtainable solo. Obviously you should just get a Mrylokars, but you can't zone into NToV until 46.

He's asking for a weap he can camp solo. On a mage/druid. SCD is not happening and CSF will be a very rough split for a weap worse than all the 10/20 options . So he's stuck with making the most of average weapons and so far you suggested nothing better considering his limitations. I personally wouldn't swap for BS but it is an option on the table. I'd just go 10/20 until 46 and then I'd see.

[Snaggles]

Swapping a single weapon slot by hovering an item is not hard.

If you are just talking ratio, 8/17 isn’t much worse than 10/18 once the damage bonus picks up. The slow makes up for that and then some. I’d rather rely on ratios or poison, with clickies ready to use than dancing to trick a “backstab from the front” but I play EQ lazily.

If you have ToV gear in your high 40’s it’s different but if shopping in of EC, the Locustlure and Seb dirk are solid items. The burning rapier really was killer when people still used EBW’s…but that was a while ago.

For a self camp I’d be looking to kill a Trakasaur. Any offhand would work with that; jade mace is an easy find.

[Cecily]

We're not just talking ratio. Ratio-wise it is much worse, about an expansion worth of difference. And 2 less in backstab damage. Locustlure is not a good weapon.

Double clicking left mouse while tapping 1 on the keyboard between those clicks every 10 seconds is superlatively difficult.
While chasing a moving hitbox? Yeah it certainly makes it worse. Agro bounces all over the place in an exp group. Obviously you wanna control for chaos, but expecting the lack of it in a pickup group is not anchored in reality. It's tedious to play like that and eliminating sources of tedium is just smart when you're in group hell on a rogue. I highly recommend it. My friend guilted me into doing the punch trick on my monk with 2 handers, so as to not miss out on the theoretical 5-10 dps, and I never forgave him. Double clicking every T-staff round. What a shit way to play the game.

[Goregasmic]

@46 (7 dmg bonus)

Locustlure: (8x2+7)/17 = 1.353
Any 10/20:: (10x2+7)/20 = 1.300
Fester: (12x2+7)/23 = 1.348
Rabid chokidai fang: (14x2+7)/29 = 1.207

That's about the best OP could potentially have acess to unless he'd make an exception for SCD (1.500). Locustlure still beats other options in white damage outside backstab but if you want to minimize BS loss you could use it like a swarmcaller with minimal effort.

Side note: wiki rates locustlure as an ultra rare drop so that camp might not be worth the trouble for a 3k item. Scryer has a couple PH which could help a lot depending on spawn rate but he's a roamer in a high traffic area, you'd have to be on top of your game to not get it yanked by some other group around moats.

[Cecily]

Those numbers are a great scale of how good a thing is. It's roughly 1-10 scale (Mrylo Dagger stats work out to 1.94 for reference).
So Locustlure is about a 3.3 out of 10 weapon. Seb Dirk is 1.5 at that level. So it's a 5 out of 10 and can backstab better. This is actually is a significant difference. It's worth buying with port money.

To summarize my thoughts on the Seb Dirk:
3p_iEL3EejU

[Goregasmic]

Yeah bigger numbers better.

Learn2read tho.

[Jimjam]

Those numbers are a great scale of how good a thing is. It's roughly 1-10 scale (Mrylo Dagger stats work out to 1.94 for reference).
So Locustlure is about a 3.3 out of 10 weapon. Seb Dirk is 1.5 at that level. So it's a 5 out of 10 and can backstab better. This is actually is a significant difference. It's worth buying with port money.

To summarize my thoughts on the Seb Dirk:
3p_iEL3EejU

Dude wants to farm items not work a job making money for ecmart

[TheBlob]

No the /q thing is mostly for ench in SG since the faction cannot be repaired. In chardok repairing faction is easy so no one cares to /q. What you'll want to do is farm/buy green goblin skins (get an earring of essence and an idol of the thorned while you're in droga if you go the farm route) up to warmly then claim this ring. https://wiki.project1999.com/Di%27Zok_Signet_of_Service_Quest

Then you just kill down to apprehensive and turn in more skins if you need to.

I never charmed in my life (even with my druid, as I find root rotting/kiting a much more relaxing experience), but I am slowly trying to ease my way into it for more difficult camps. How does the "/q faction trick" work with mobs that need to fight a charmed pet to be killed?

The way I see it, both mobs fight each other and get somewhat low hp. Then you break charm, both rooted, both dotted and then you /q? I guess this wouldn't work with mobs that summon, right? I said I didn't like buying gear, as I am saving for legacy items. Holgresh Vizier Beads seems the most useful, but I have accumulated nowhere near the amount of plat required for this one. I might consider an Ornate Velium Pendant for my druid to safely kill into Siren's Grotto.

Concerning the ongoing debate on the usefulness of Locustlure (this is the Melee subforum afterall, and I derailed on druid/ench strategies), I really do not mind switching weapons during a fight. I might not use it every fight, but I love having the most options in my arsenal at all times. Pure melees don't have spells, so they 100% rely on procs/clickies. If I ever do start my rogue, I'm sure I will include every unique proc I can. For example, my magician carries Powder of unanimation (and a stack of Star Rubies) "just in case" I ever need to urgently delete an undead mob. We all know that I will never use it, but I like feeling prepared for anything hahaha

[Cecily]

Dude wants to farm items not work a job making money for ecmart
Solid point. I forgot what a major purchase a Seb Dirk is for how good it is. I'll let the non-rogues/new players get back to theory crafting Kunark mid-level weapons.

BTW what's everyone's thoughts on Bloodpoint? Seems like 2 of them would be literally never ending HP. Thinking about skipping rogue epic.

[Jimjam]

Solid point. I forgot what a major purchase a Seb Dirk is for how good it is. I'll let the non-rogues/new players get back to theory crafting Kunark mid-level weapons.

BTW what's everyone's thoughts on Bloodpoint? Seems like 2 of them would be literally never ending HP. Thinking about skipping rogue epic.

You have your expertise. I only got a rogue to like 65, whereas I know you've levelled a tonne of rogues, but I get the feeling you're not applying your expertise to how the OP wants to play or what they value. Yea, double bp ain't great and epic is easy and good, so it may feel like your irony is making a good point ... bbbuuuutt .... seeing as rogue epic is a very hard solo, vs OP may actually be able to do HS on one of his other toons to get a bp. You've accidently almost made a good point - bp is better for OP's mission than epic, no matter how much you may disagree with the mission.

[Snaggles]

Not to belabor the point but the only bad thing about the Locustlure is Velious being a thing. The ratio and proc are really good compared to its relative peers. In the offhand, it’s profoundly better than a Bloodpoint if the alternative is not slowing the mob. As a melee dps (not factoring backstabs), in the MH, it puts out very solid swing dps. This is equivalent to comparing a Mryo Dagger to a Willsapper…duh Vulak loot is better but slowing stuff is OP.

All of this is moot though. The Scryer is a rough solo for a high 50’s Druid but is possible (I’ve done it). The dagger is very rare but it’s a fun mini-quest. Nabbing a bloodpoint as a solo Druid? lol have fun with that.

[Goregasmic]

I never charmed in my life (even with my druid, as I find root rotting/kiting a much more relaxing experience), but I am slowly trying to ease my way into it for more difficult camps. How does the "/q faction trick" work with mobs that need to fight a charmed pet to be killed?

The way I see it, both mobs fight each other and get somewhat low hp. Then you break charm, both rooted, both dotted and then you /q? I guess this wouldn't work with mobs that summon, right? I said I didn't like buying gear, as I am saving for legacy items. Holgresh Vizier Beads seems the most useful, but I have accumulated nowhere near the amount of plat required for this one. I might consider an Ornate Velium Pendant for my druid to safely kill into Siren's Grotto.

You charm something, make sure it is going to win the fight and /q when your target is at ~5%. When you come back the mob will be dead and your pet will have walked back to its spawning point, without a faction hit. Don't quote me on that but I think druids just kill in there and don't worry about OVP but I could be wrong.

Solid point. I forgot what a major purchase a Seb Dirk is for how good it is. I'll let the non-rogues/new players get back to theory crafting Kunark mid-level weapons.

BTW what's everyone's thoughts on Bloodpoint? Seems like 2 of them would be literally never ending HP. Thinking about skipping rogue epic.

It is both more cost and time effective to just farm 1k and get a dirk than literally any other farming option but OP asked about solo farming options so here we are. I'm not sure why you keep doubling down on being a dick when you're clearly off topic but please tell us for the fourth time SCD is better.

[Snaggles]

It is both more cost and time effective to just farm 1k and get a dirk than literally any other farming option but OP asked about solo farming options so here we are. I'm not sure why you keep doubling down on being a dick when you're clearly off topic but please tell us for the fourth time SCD is better.


The big issue is the dilution of prices over the last 15 or so years. If the Locustlure was 15k maybe it would be better to farm one. It’s a big maybe though…hill giants were my plat factory in 2011.

[Ravager]

Don't level a rogue on a dead EQ server.
Or do it and become a legend.

[Infectious]

Double clicking left mouse while tapping 1 on the keyboard between those clicks every 10 seconds is superlatively difficult.

To a limp waisted male, its hard

[Cecily]

waisted?