Random Question - If you don't currently play on Green, what would it take?

[SmallBandaid]

My friend and I have been having some random discussion about why some blue players have not gone to green. I get it, sunk cost, just don't want to, don't want to start over, etc.

I say one of the biggest hurdles is just having to start over with nothing and being behind the curve. Personally, I hate the first 20 levels of grinding.

We are offering to give you a hand with maybe some banded, a little plat, maybe hp rings, a small PL, and some spell money to make starting on green less painful. Or some combo of those things depending on time, what we have on our mules, etc. We will have spells that are a pain to get like breeze handy. We have access to some research spells. We are here to help any new players to the server and even veterans who would like to give Green a shot but don't have any contacts with getting started. Also, EC is pretty active and you can generally get helpful buffs including an occasional POTG.

This is what we are thinking but we could have the memory of a gold fish. We are currently making banded as I type this.

Thanks!

[Jimjam]

I like fresh starts, and at the moment blue feels the better server for it.

To go back to green? I have a warrior bound outside temple of veeshan. Makes it hard to do much spur of the moment casual stuff - perhaps a return home or origin button would encourage me to use that character more again.

[cd288]

This question was probably more relevant a few years back when Green was in Velious but only a couple years old.

The answer to your question now is simple: The servers essentially offer the same experience. They are both mudflated and top heavy.

Sure, Green has a somewhat more crowded lower leveling scene in the usual popular grouping zones, but why would someone on Blue care about that? They're going to come to Green and grind an alt all the way to 60 to raid? Why? They can already raid on Blue.

If you weren't brand new to P99, the driver for Green was getting to have that fresh start as though it was day 1 in 1999 again. I played on Green and had fun; raided slightly. But after that I went back to my mains on Blue. I'll occasionally jump on Green and EXP on an alt for a brief session if I feel like some casual EQ grinding, but other than that the servers basically offer the same experience so why switch.

[Jimjam]

This question was probably more relevant a few years back when Green was in Velious but only a couple years old.

The answer to your question now is simple: The servers essentially offer the same experience. They are both mudflated and top heavy.

Sure, Green has a somewhat more crowded lower leveling scene in the usual popular grouping zones, but why would someone on Blue care about that? They're going to come to Green and grind an alt all the way to 60 to raid? Why? They can already raid on Blue.

If you weren't brand new to P99, the driver for Green was getting to have that fresh start as though it was day 1 in 1999 again. I played on Green and had fun; raided slightly. But after that I went back to my mains on Blue. I'll occasionally jump on Green and EXP on an alt for a brief session if I feel like some casual EQ grinding, but other than that the servers basically offer the same experience so why switch.

The main reason to play on green is KC is too busy / empty on blue at that moment. The main reason to play on blue is KC is too busy / empty on green at that moment.

RE the servers being the same, I remember once getting a bat phone, logging in to the wrong server, but my character on that server's guild happened to be fighting the same mob on that server so I didn't need to relog to have the same engagement, and that is when I realised that the servers were at that point basically the same.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I might try Green if I ever decided to level a character without twinking them. I don't have the time to do that atm, or the motivation. I've thought about doing an SSF Ranger since they can solo farm quite a few decent items.

[Crede]

I've been debating it lately due to the low blue pop. They don't have pet windows though right? That's a huge QOL of feature they kept on blue.

[kjs86z2]

I've been debating it lately due to the low blue pop. They don't have pet windows though right? That's a huge QOL of feature they kept on blue.

figured they'd be exactly the same by now

imagine not having pet windows and DoT dmg

how rogbog ever thought that would be a good idea is beyond me

[sammoHung]

Limited Time Offer: I will PL your new Green toons if you jump ship from Blue.

[kjs86z2]

Limited Time Offer: I will PL your new Green toons if you jump ship from Blue.

sign me up

[WarpathEQ]

I've been debating it lately due to the low blue pop. They don't have pet windows though right? That's a huge QOL of feature they kept on blue.

Can confirm Green has pet windows, AFAIK the servers are exactly the same from a back end perspective. Only different is active population, age of server, value of items, and raid guild composition. All player related not server related differences.

[tycohunden]

Too much of an RP-er to do that + all the reddit libtards are on green. On blue we only have to watch ourselves around Teddee. Also we have Toxigen if we really need to blow off some steam.

[sammoHung]

Too much of an RP-er to do that + all the reddit libtards are on green. On blue we only have to watch ourselves around Teddee. Also we have Toxigen if we really need to blow off some steam.

dude you are so edgy and cool. you must get so many babes

[kjs86z2]

Also we have Toxigen if we really need to blow off some steam.

You do?

I heard he hasn't been in game for years now.

Woke Wulf ended his p99 career.

[Crede]

Can confirm Green has pet windows, AFAIK the servers are exactly the same from a back end perspective. Only different is active population, age of server, value of items, and raid guild composition. All player related not server related differences.

damn didn't know that, i remember around when all the pet window drama came out it was kept on blue but not green. will have to seriously consider green now.

[Snaggles]

Starting fresh with a caster and gearing a melee casually is not hard. It’s just time.

Most people on blue are here for friends and nostalgia. It’s still a rather effective time sink.

[tycohunden]

You do?

I heard he hasn't been in game for years now.

Woke Wulf ended his p99 career.

You still pop in once in a while to the hole with your twisted steel warrior! I see you brother!
Tbh, we all did ya dirty! You were just being honest. That’s a virtue these days!
Well I gotta bounce and get my daughter’s glasses and then It’s off to hook up with the babes.
Life’s good

[kjs86z2]

You still pop in once in a while to the hole with your twisted steel warrior! I see you brother!
Tbh, we all did ya dirty! You were just being honest. That’s a virtue these days!
Well I gotta bounce and get my daughter’s glasses and then It’s off to hook up with the babes.
Life’s good

Thats a RL buddy that still messes around from time to time.

I would consider playing a new server but at this point games kinda dead. There aren't any more vulaks that are going to make the game enjoyable.

[tycohunden]

Thats a RL buddy that still messes around from time to time.

I would consider playing a new server but at this point games kinda dead. There aren't any more vulaks that are going to make the game enjoyable.

Would you consider coming back if there was a guild called: Impolitically Correct, welcoming you?

Game’s finna come alive once we get the blue/green raid on red- mode.

[SmallBandaid]

I've been debating it lately due to the low blue pop. They don't have pet windows though right? That's a huge QOL of feature they kept on blue.

There are pet windows that appear when you summon. Come over and I can give you something to help start.
https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3769285#post3769285

[kjs86z2]

Would you consider coming back if there was a guild called: Impolitically Correct, welcoming you?

Game’s finna come alive once we get the blue/green raid on red- mode.

I doubt it. Only thing that would help is a green/blue merge and fresh Green 2.0.

Also I'm only joining a guild with a tag that specifically mentions Nexii's furry costumes.

[Jimjam]

<Nexii’s Fursuitors>

[kjs86z2]

<Nexii’s Fursuitors>

lmao 10/10

[Tobius]

I have lots of clickies, my main is a warrior, I levelled a bard to 50 ish. 30 something shammy but

It's really hard and slow to level, but even if PL'ed I've done massive faction, tradeskill and plat farms to buy clickies, I can't start over it's too much work and I sadly don't have time to play enough anymore if I wanted to.

They need to merge green and blue or do instanced raids.

[Wakanda]

I actually started on Green and it was okay. But after I had done most of the stuff you could do in classic... I wanted to see Kunark and Velious really bad though since both of those places were a huge part of nostalgia for me and I think they were years away at this point for Green players. So I started on Blue and of course I had to have a relatively high level character to actually be able to see these places, so I leveled one.

Explored around and had fun. Went back to Green briefly but realized that it felt way more crowded, most of the camps I grew accustom to accessing with ease were frequently camped around the clock with a huge line of players swarming the area waiting for their chance to snipe it etc. And I realized damn, there's none of this on Blue, so I just went back to Blue.

Now keep in mind, Blue's population at this time was actually much higher than Greens currently is (yet people were larping that Blue was unplayable due to low pop). The main thing I noticed was most of the solo camps on blue were fairly easy to access, but there were still lots of players around in high traffic areas if you wanted to group, lots of nice players who seemingly just logged in to help other players level, if someone saw a camp and knew you wanted it, they would prob just give it to you rather than fight you over it. I learned how to do the Grobb guards because the guy camping it showed me around, logged onto his high level druid and buffed me, and then gave me the camp etc. I feel like that wouldn't have happened on Green.

That being said, I doubt Green is STILL the same Green I left years ago, but at this point I would rather just wait for a merge and/or new server. And I gotta be honest, after playing MnM play test, it's really all I want to play for the foreseeable future. I canceled my WoW subscription even though I already bought the pre-order for Midnight and early access housing comes out in a couple of weeks.

MnM is just that good. At least for a P99 junkie like me.

[kjs86z2]

MnM will eventually kill P99.

[Wakanda]

MnM will eventually kill P99.

I think it will definitely have an impact, but there is a shockingly high amount of people I've met on P99 who don't particularly care for P99, but they don't have a great PC / connection, and refuse to pay to play a game. One of my closest friends on P99 was someone who fell under this criteria. They were really good at P99, even won the Necro BoTB on Green and another tournament. But they exclusively play WoW these days and when I bring up P99 they basically just say it sucks and that they only played it because they couldn't afford a nice PC or subscription at the time.

TL;DR I think poor people mains will always play f2p games that run on potatoes.

[Ekco]

MnM will eventually kill P99.

It depends on what you even mean by "kill." By most people's MMO standards, it's already dead due to the population.

The only other MMO I play is EVE, and there are currently 20,000 accounts logged in. How many are logged into WoW if you added up all the servers? Or something else, like the Final Fantasy MMO, Elder Scrolls, or every other MMO out there?

And, like Wakanda said, the reasons people play here to begin with are different. People project the reasons they play p99 onto the other 1,200-ish people, and they are grossly overestimating the number of people looking for what MnM seems to be.

I bounced off it almost instantly because it was exactly like EQ with a new paint job, but with increased time sink and difficulty that's like the exact opposite or what I'm looking for in a video game in 2025

[SanguineEQ]

I don't know, I've thought about it honestly. Blue at this point feels like a dead server; it's frankly depressing. Need a port? No dial on. Want to group? Maybe if you're lvl 50+ you can find one in KC, but even that's not a guarantee anymore. Looking to buy some gear? Good luck, EC is dead most of the time. Want to raid? Well, there's exactly one guild that clears all content 99% of the time outside of draft. I have 4 nearly 5 max level characters on Blue and there is literally nothing for me to do but farm plat or solo a lowbie alt. It's just depressing and not what I expected when I went hard to get there.

[Snaggles]

MMO’s were killed by an aging demo. I’m surprised anyone is trying to make a new one (even if it’s an EQ rip off) in 2025.

P99 is bottled nostalgia. MnM isn’t. IMHO, if you are looking for the “next EQ” just play a different game and occasionally run though Oasis on p99 for the warm feelings.

[Jimjam]

MMO’s were killed by an aging demo. I’m surprised anyone is trying to make a new one (even if it’s an EQ rip off) in 2025.

P99 is bottled nostalgia. MnM isn’t. IMHO, if you are looking for the “next EQ” just play a different game and occasionally run though Oasis on p99 for the warm feelings.

Keep the memory holy - don't need to replace it.

[Ennewi]

MMO’s were killed by an aging demo. I’m surprised anyone is trying to make a new one (even if it’s an EQ rip off) in 2025.

P99 is bottled nostalgia. MnM isn’t. IMHO, if you are looking for the “next EQ” just play a different game and occasionally run though Oasis on p99 for the warm feelings.

Even just removing "massively" from MMOs might work, making it more current / user friendly and putting less strain on dev teams who tend towards scope creep and mass appeal, even while claiming to be niche. More like Valheim. Share the same world with a number of friends and maybe enter others' worlds for an agreed upon duration to quest, battle, etc.

[cd288]

OP wants a server merge and doesn't realize it

[Hasbinbad]

I don't know, I've thought about it honestly. Blue at this point feels like a dead server; it's frankly depressing. Need a port? No dial on. Want to group? Maybe if you're lvl 50+ you can find one in KC, but even that's not a guarantee anymore. Looking to buy some gear? Good luck, EC is dead most of the time. Want to raid? Well, there's exactly one guild that clears all content 99% of the time outside of draft. I have 4 nearly 5 max level characters on Blue and there is literally nothing for me to do but farm plat or solo a lowbie alt. It's just depressing and not what I expected when I went hard to get there.
Like sand through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.

[Ataxio]

Green? Never.. my entire mormon family is on blue as well as my achievements I've never had on live. Never got the bug to want to start over and over again, playing multiples of each class, not in a game like this.

How about we just unify <3

[modismos]

For most Blue players, the issue isn’t difficulty — it’s starting over. Losing established mains, gear, plat, and guild ties is a big psychological hurdle. The 1–30 grind with no momentum is what stops many from switching. :p (https://www.theidioms.com/)

That said, offering banded gear, a little plat, and basic spells does help a lot. Reducing that early friction is probably the most effective way to get hesitant players to try Green.

[Snaggles]

Starting a level 1 necro and grinding away is easy. Gearing a passable melee off fine steel is a tactic as old as EQ. It’s just a matter if the player base has the patience to grind one more char at this point.

If P99 went away I might try Quarm. Hopefully I’d just chalk this up as a nostalgic romp and hang up my skates.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

For most Blue players, the issue isn’t difficulty — it’s starting over. Losing established mains, gear, plat, and guild ties is a big psychological hurdle. The 1–30 grind with no momentum is what stops many from switching. :p (https://www.theidioms.com/)

That said, offering banded gear, a little plat, and basic spells does help a lot. Reducing that early friction is probably the most effective way to get hesitant players to try Green.

The more annoying level range is 55-60 IMO. I don't like leveling a character past 55 because the number of good camps/zones is reduced to a handful. Those camps tend to be camped most of the time, especially on a higher pop server. XP slows down a lot 55+.

That is the biggest hurdle for me to switch to Green, getting my first char to 60. You generally need at least one level 60 for raiding, and it makes farming easier too.

Levels 1-50 aren't too bad if you know what you are doing. There are also a lot more zones for lower levels, so you can always find something to camp, even if it isn't optimal.

[GnomeLuvr]

I don't play on Green because when it was first announced, we were told it would merge back into Blue at the end of it's timeline. I thought it would be nice to have a couple years with less competition for camps and it would give me plenty of time to get to lvl 60.

Now, I have a couple lvl 60 toons, and continue to play on Blue because there's nothing to gain from going to Green. Sleeper's dead, economy's bloated, raid scene is nothing but drama. Why would I move to deal with that?

[Dollar]

Green was promised to be a rolling restart server that would feed into blue. Keeping to the initial plan would make me start fresh on green. Other than that, I'm going to Monsters and Memories.

[kjs86z2]

That is the biggest hurdle for me to switch to Green, getting my first char to 60. You generally need at least one level 60 for raiding, and it makes farming easier too.
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Do you, though? At this point you could have a level 1 char, get a raid guild invite with access to their bot army. Can play bots during pops to start acquiring DKP. Slowly level your "main" to 46. By the time you get there, you can dump DKP on it and be a walking god from 46-60.

[Jimjam]

Do you, though? At this point you could have a level 1 char, get a raid guild invite with access to their bot army. Can play bots during pops to start acquiring DKP. Slowly level your "main" to 46. By the time you get there, you can dump DKP on it and be a walking god from 46-60.

This is my impression too. Also, loads of guilds don't have a 60 req for raid toons either, should you want to play your own toon from time to time instead of a bot.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Do you, though? At this point you could have a level 1 char, get a raid guild invite with access to their bot army. Can play bots during pops to start acquiring DKP. Slowly level your "main" to 46. By the time you get there, you can dump DKP on it and be a walking god from 46-60.

It depends on the guild rules and recruitment requirements. I haven't looked into Green guilds, but if all of the big ones allow you to join at level 1 and operate bots, then that is awesome.

[kjs86z2]

It depends on the guild rules and recruitment requirements. I haven't looked into Green guilds, but if all of the big ones allow you to join at level 1 and operate bots, then that is awesome.

im sure if you showed them your chars / raiding history you could set something up - they arent gonna invite a random nobody fresh off the street

"willing to play rogue and cleric bot" with years of raiding experience on blue would be an insta invite these days

[Jimjam]

im sure if you showed them your chars / raiding history you could set something up - they arent gonna invite a random nobody fresh off the street

"willing to play rogue and cleric bot" with years of raiding experience on blue would be an insta invite these days

and also nepotism - you likely know some old bluies who moved to green that could vouch for you or help you sidestep some of the usual recruitment requirements.

[SanguineEQ]

Green was promised to be a rolling restart server that would feed into blue. Keeping to the initial plan would make me start fresh on green. Other than that, I'm going to Monsters and Memories.

Amen, brother. I think there might be some pressure from Daybreak that is preventing the team at p99 from restarting green. They want to be the only place for fresh progression servers, with all the boxing, RMT, and other garbage that goes on there.

I've been enjoying blue since I started raiding again, but I know I'll never have a prayer of catching up to the people who started when the server was fresh. Same is true on green. Theres really no point going to green, even though being able to actually group and have people in EC sounds nice. MnM is going to be great!

[putrid_plum]

A free fungi tunic

[cd288]

and also nepotism - you likely know some old bluies who moved to green that could vouch for you or help you sidestep some of the usual recruitment requirements.

Guessing you'd need to commit to a minimum RA though

[TheBlob]

I think the only thing that would make me consider it would be Holgresh Elder Beads. If (when?) the merge happens, I would be willing to give you all the plat I have (about 60k across my toons).