Anyone want to make up a topic and argue about it?

[shovelquest]

I'll take a stance on anything ITT.

[Reiwa]

insular cases

[Domo]

Europe -> USA

suck my butthole Yankee's

[shovelquest]

Europe -> USA

No it isn't!

[shovelquest]

insular cases

incorporation doctrine

[Reiwa]

incorporation doctrine

Substantiation guarantees citizenship.

[red_demonman]

AI is an existential threat, all it takes is the wrong sw engineer loading one of the models on the wrong robot and we are basically living Terminator IRL.

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/4nmcKdx.png

[Jimjam]

great thread idea, pal(!)

[Ekco]

Cereal is soup and pop-tarts are ravioli

[sammoHung]

Cereal is soup and pop-tarts are ravioli

https://gifdb.com/images/thumbnail/disgusting-498-x-278-gif-iynuzzo0i61i19z5.gif

[Ephirith]

https://i.imgur.com/dRi6P9k.jpeg

[loramin]

Cereal is soup and pop-tarts are ravioli

Cereals (or at least, just about every cereal in American grocery stores) are desserts, not breakfasts.

[shovelquest]

AI is an existential threat, all it takes is the wrong sw engineer loading one of the models on the wrong robot and we are basically living Terminator IRL.

Freedom is the ultimate existential threat in that case. We can't stop that it allows for at least linear technological progress.

It's only a matter of time that any amount of knowledge would be enough to erase humanity.

In other words, freedom is the actual existential threat, not AI. And countries like north korea are a more fitting model, for the greater good.

[shovelquest]

Cereal is soup and pop-tarts are ravioli

https://i.imgur.com/KWKKWb7.png

[shovelquest]

great thread idea, pal(!)

Thank's bro I can't argue with that. :p

[atomicpaul]

Cereals (or at least, just about every cereal in American grocery stores) are desserts, not breakfasts.i go through one box of plain cheerios per week. when can i expect diabetic shock?

[shovelquest]

Cereals (or at least, just about every cereal in American grocery stores) are desserts, not breakfasts.

What's the chocolate and whipped cream the french have?

[Reiwa]

Every spheniscidae is entitled to due process under United States law.

[loramin]

i go through one box of plain cheerios per week. when can i expect diabetic shock?

I did say "just about"; plain Cheerio's is one of the few exceptions. And even it isn't completely sugar-free (with 2g of sugar per 1 and 1/2 cups).

[shovelquest]

I did say "just about"; plain Cheerio's is one of the few exceptions. And even it isn't completely sugar-free (with 2g of sugar per 1 and 1/2 cups).

Loramin doing my job for me.

[Jimjam]

I did say "just about"; plain Cheerio's is one of the few exceptions. And even it isn't completely sugar-free (with 2g of sugar per 1 and 1/2 cups).

Wait, in America “cereal” doesn’t mean just oats or plain cornflakes and that kind of thing, but confectioned cereal blasted with sugar? I thought these so called “lucky charms” being full of marshmallows was just an exaggeration joke in Austin Powers, not a congruent reflection of reality?!

[shovelquest]

Im pretty sure the dairy is worse for our digestive system than the sugar.

[shovelquest]

Wait forgot thread title, I mean: it is.

[atomicpaul]

I did say "just about"; plain Cheerio's is one of the few exceptions. And even it isn't completely sugar-free (with 2g of sugar per 1 and 1/2 cups).thank you

[atomicpaul]

Wait forgot thread title, I mean: it is.Big Milk is coming for you

[shovelquest]

Big Milk

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[arvidez]

forgiveness or victory?

[shovelquest]

forgiveness or victory?

LCwTn-HrfBw

https://i.imgur.com/cL3xDPw.png

[Reiwa]

The unitary executive never took root in Libs because they imagine themselves to be temporarily embarrassed bureaucrats.

[Botten]

The unitary executive never took root in Libs because they imagine themselves to be temporarily embarrassed bureaucrats.

So today was a big day.

You all okay down there?

Let me look at the news... ahh yes the 18 century war power law was invoked in a furious fit.

Well we will have to check back again in another 9 months. Maybe it will be a country of one soon *shrug.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/nY1tmK7.png

[Reiwa]

So today was a big day.

You all okay down there?

Let me look at the news... ahh yes the 18 century war power law was invoked in a furious fit.

Well we will have to check back again in another 9 months. Maybe it will be a country of one soon *shrug.

No? That didn't happen?

Don't argue with Botten because you're arguing with Doordarshan National and Doordarshan National isn't listening.

[Reiwa]

Smaller flock size: The U.S. turkey flock for 2025 is estimated at 195 million birds, a 3% decrease from 2024. This marks the second consecutive year of shrinking production.

Pipeline turkeys are safe: Most turkeys intended for the Thanksgiving market were already in the supply pipeline by early fall. This means recent outbreaks of avian influenza should have a limited effect on the number of birds available in stores.

Check back in two weeks.

[Botten]

No? That didn't happen?

Don't argue with Botten because you're arguing with Doordarshan National and Doordarshan National isn't listening.

That channel is way too conservative and face criticism for being a mouthpiece of the government. Think OAN. ewe

[Botten]

Smaller flock size: The U.S. turkey flock for 2025 is estimated at 195 million birds, a 3% decrease from 2024. This marks the second consecutive year of shrinking production.

Pipeline turkeys are safe: Most turkeys intended for the Thanksgiving market were already in the supply pipeline by early fall. This means recent outbreaks of avian influenza should have a limited effect on the number of birds available in stores.

Check back in two weeks.

Turkeys? nah, think dairy cows. Basically don't pull an RFK or pureblood challenge. No Raw milk... And before anyone asks.. No amount of horse paste will help.

[Reiwa]

not false equiv, both do literally same thing but you can stomp your feat and just fight and argue about it itt (https://project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=444186&page=4).

My state is planning to raise taxes again next session because the previous session tax raise resulted in a fall in state revenue.

send post

[shovelquest]

My state is planning to raise taxes again next session because the previous session tax raise resulted in a fall in state revenue.

send post

Compare the collapse of spain as a world power to america's current economy.

Spain’s empire crumbled from debt, overextension, military spending, and dependence on imported wealth instead of real production. It attempted to curb inflation with heavy taxation, without curbing spending—letting decadence replace discipline, setting up a slow, familiar unraveling.

https://i.imgur.com/xm7oYoW.gif

[Reiwa]

What if we kissed under the f-35 kill switch incase European countries turned against us?

TQAfwk3Otno

[Wakanda]

sometimes i day dream about getting into a fake fight with one of yall at the orc camp and turning it into a huge RnF thread with fake screenshots of these noobs chimping out over a level 8 orc etc.

makes me wonder if some of the drama we see on here is actually staged for lol

knowing my luck GMs would prob think its real and ban me tho

[shovelquest]

38% of billionaires came from middle class upbringing.

Why do we hate ourselves and think we can't accomplish anything?

Because propaganda, that's why.

[Reiwa]

38% of billionaires came from middle class upbringing.

Why do we hate ourselves and think we can't accomplish anything?

Because propaganda, that's why.

So a veto-proof supermajority do not come from the middle class? :p

[shovelquest]

idk but people believe you will never be anything more than a peasant when clearly that is not the case.

[Reiwa]

idk but people believe you will never be anything more than a peasant when clearly that is not the case.

Middle class can have several meanings. In USA it means 'average or median person'.

In the M-word p******** ideology it means you have some amount of ownership in the productive entities.

[shovelquest]

41% of millionaires came from poverty.

lol everyone stop working the system is rigged.

[Ephirith]

Sometimes it's billionaires, sometimes it's dukes, kings, or communist party apparatchiks. Sometimes it's fanatical clergy, warlords, or messianic cult-leaders.

The only times the nameless, faceless masses (you, me) have ever had a meaningful slice of the pie is when they've banded together to claw it away at the institutional level, usually through revolution, democracy, and/or unionization.

John Steinbeck said socialism never took root in America because too many Americans see themselves as "temporarily embarrassed millionaires". I think an alternative way to look at is, a combination of egalitarian institutions and centuries of frontier conquest created a prosperous petite bourgeoisie, a huge middle class of small property holders who generally had the liberty to go through life without being trampled the way the urban masses of old & ossified Europe were.

America watched socialism liberate Western Europe's urban classes in the 1900's, and it happened a little bit in the US under FDR, but overall it didn't quite translate because it didn't really need to the way it did in Europe.

Yet.

I think our contemporary struggle is with a transition that has been occurring for decades now in American life. The frontiers are long settled, our political culture and institutions are largely pre-industrial, as we never had the egalitarian revolution Western Europe did in the 1900's, and our magnates have had nearly a century now to metastasize and consolidate in that environment.

A global economic revolution in economies of scale have all but obliterated the USA's middle class-- most Americans still call themselves middle class, but they aren't, because the meaning has changed. This was once a large class of people who owned property and either lived off the proceeds of their own industry/enterprise (a farmer, rancher, dentist, artisan, skilled tradesman), or other professional with a wage, assets, and bargaining power. Now, a much greater share of people rely on selling their labor to survive, and own little to nothing, which makes them distinctly working class.

The ability for corporations to exercise blatant, virtually unlimited (Citizens United) control over the US's political institutions has resulted in a situation where all forms of political representation in the United States further corporate interests.

Democratic leadership results in a globalist, cultural and moral relativist regime that works to maximize the availability of cheap labor by flooding the US with economic migrants, while simultaneously facilitating their integration as labor by fostering an environment of tolerance and acceptance, rather than assimilation. Which sounds great, until you realize that not all cultures are equally conducive to certain liberal, egalitarian institutions that are fundamental to the Western European/American way of life, such as religious freedom, democracy, the protestant ethic, etc.

The Republican alternative, at this point, serves corporations even more directly and extensively by professing to support a total laissez-faire economic environment, while in reality, simply acting as a channel for whichever entities exert the most influence on Republican politicians. Highly visible examples include petroleum companies crushing solar, nuclear, and wind energy products nationwide (China is powering their masses of AI data centers with cheap solar power, meanwhile, US electric bills have been skyrocketing and our AI companies are beginning to have difficulty competing), the coal industry being propped up by a party that claims to be laissez faire???, and the party actually doing almost nothing of substance to actually stem the flow of cheap immigrant/outsourced labor. And that is to say nothing of all the other unspeakable corruption and lunacy inherent in the Trump movement. The two parties are not equally bad-- this one is far more destructive.

This situation is fundamentally created by a convergence of many factors, the largest being 1. The two party system, 2. The Senate as an institution providing a mechanism for minority rule, 3. American cultural aversion to labor organization.

It will take either a revolution, a massive labor movement, or a cult of personality acting oppositely to the way Trump has... that is, benevolently, to fix.

All that to say, Shovel, the billionaires and millionaires are doing just fine without you licking their nutsacks

[Reiwa]

The ability for corporations to exercise blatant, virtually unlimited (Citizens United) control over the US's political institutions has resulted in a situation where all forms of political representation in the United States further corporate interests.

Why you gotta mix the real ones in with the fake ones? CU was a challenge to a law(McCain-Feingold) passed only 6 years earlier.

[shovelquest]

Yea well the difference is:

40% of our dukes & kings came from poverty

Became them by creating something millions of people use or love.

and their reigns end when they die.

Hope. This. HELPS.

[shovelquest]

80% of millionaires came from “working class”

Socialists always try to say they care about the working class but they want to import mass cheap labor.

And they fight against companies like Amazon bringing jobs to the working class.

[shovelquest]

Socialists should try to get together one day and prove to the world just ONCE that their economies can be self sustaining without depleting natural resources to maintain it.

You know, since it's so easy to get lots of people to work together for just the sake of it.

[Reiwa]

Yea well the difference is:

40% of our dukes & kings came from poverty

Became them by creating something millions of people use or love.

and their reigns end when they die.

Hope. This. HELPS.

Was the M-word useful for casting down/off the unmerited hereditary dukes and kings in a prior age?

[shovelquest]

I agree that capitalism has brought us to an age where there is too much security and safety all over the world. And now we have to "do something about it" other than "killing them all"....

And I also agree that capitalism has brought us to an age, that has gotten us very close to making jobs obsolete...

But, we were ready for capitalism in the 1000's during the enlightenment age, and it took another 1000 years for a country to finally be formed that is built around it.

I'm pretty sure, if you just got a job, and worked towards utopia, you'd ruin less lives than you would if you had a "revolution" to "hope that you could jump start one"

Considering we've had 100s of revolutions and life has continued to suck, until everyone just "got a job" and started working towards utopia when America was invented.

The only way socialist utopia is going to work if all of the sudden we look around and realize we "built that as a result of labor" (AI/robots).

not, that "we forced it to happen for the benifit of labor."

[Botten]

Socialists should try to get together one day and prove to the world just ONCE that their economies can be self sustaining without depleting natural resources to maintain it.

You know, since it's so easy to get lots of people to work together for just the sake of it.

Feels like corrupt capitalism rolling over into Socialism.
-Government acquiring percent stakes in companies
-Rich in the meantime buying up farmland and renting it out to farmers
-Leading too late farm subsidies that ultimately go to the rich
-Tariffs (tax on the ppl) generating new revenue, revenue used to cut taxes on the rich and help create a slush fund to do it more

Meanwhile rally the uneducated supporters to further push a culture war to prevent a class war.

[Reiwa]

I agree that capitalism has brought us to an age where there is too much security and safety all over the world. And now we have to "do something about it" other than "killing them all"....

And I also agree that capitalism has brought us to an age, that has gotten us very close to making jobs obsolete...

But, we were ready for capitalism in the 1000's during the enlightenment age, and it took another 1000 years for a country to finally be formed that is built around it.

I'm pretty sure, if you just got a job, and worked towards utopia, you'd ruin less lives than you would if you had a "revolution" to "hope that you could jump start one"

Considering we've had 100s of revolutions and life has continued to suck, until everyone just "got a job" and started working towards utopia when America was invented.

The only way socialist utopia is going to work if all of the sudden we look around and realize we "built that as a result of labor" (AI/robots).

not, that "we forced it to happen for the benifit of labor."

I think if the Bolsheviks were here they would solo/clear when it comes to the current Tsar of Imperial Russia.

[shovelquest]

-Tariffs (tax on the ppl) generating new revenue, revenue used to cut taxes on the rich and help create a slush fund to do it more

Meanwhile rally the uneducated supporters to further push a culture war to prevent a class war.

Tariffs are only a tax on the people if you think that "working class" people should live in "third world countries" and "things should be cheaper if you use slaves".

Also you're a socialist, taxes are everything to you, suddenly you're against them?

Obvious militant anti "other side" stance is obvious.

[shovelquest]

Feels like corrupt capitalism rolling over into Socialism.
-Government acquiring percent stakes in companies
-Rich in the meantime buying up farmland and renting it out to farmers
-Leading too late farm subsidies that ultimately go to the rich
-Tariffs (tax on the ppl) generating new revenue, revenue used to cut taxes on the rich and help create a slush fund to do it more

Meanwhile rally the uneducated supporters to further push a culture war to prevent a class war.

So you admit, that socialism is corrupt.

:cool:

[shovelquest]

Reminder 80% of millionaires came from poverty.

100% of people in poverty in socialist countries are stll living in poverty.

Any country that is socialist and isn't impoverished sells more oil than IRAQ to corrupt 3rd world dictatorships.

Hope.

This.

HELPS.

[shovelquest]

*Votes for unions

"TaRIIfSS arE a sAleZ TAzx "

[shovelquest]

This is an argument about economics, pick any of the above stances to find out why you're wrong about them.

[Reiwa]

Any country that is socialist and isn't impoverished sells more oil than IRAQ to corrupt 3rd world dictatorships.

I'm thinking you mean the Scandies? Simpsons did it.

[shovelquest]

I'm thinking you mean the Scandies? Simpsons did it.

I mean literally any example of any of them ever. Pick a card any card.

[Reiwa]

I mean literally any example of any of them ever. Pick a card any card.

Not every card is socialist and sells oil.

We only got to make oil sales externally in Obamna. Thanks Obamna.

[Ephirith]

But, we were ready for capitalism in the 1000's during the enlightenment age, and it took another 1000 years for a country to finally be formed that is built around it.

China?

[Botten]

The moment now inside the US is closer to socialism more than ever before. Especially as the whole freedom to choose leaders is disappearing.

“Water is the softest thing but it can penetrate mountains.” America will get out of this avalanche of lost rights. But it will take time.

“Time is at a joint O cursed spite, that I was born to,” having to now wait until it is “set right.”

Overly Corrupt Capitalism tend to lead to socialism. Keep pushing all the decision-making into the executive branch.

[Reiwa]

The moment now inside the US is closer to socialism more than ever before. Especially as the whole freedom to choose leaders is disappearing.

“Water is the softest thing but it can penetrate mountains.” America will get out of this avalanche of lost rights. But it will take time.

“Time is at a joint O cursed spite, that I was born to,” having to now wait until it is “set right.”

Overly Corrupt Capitalism tend to lead to socialism. Keep pushing all the decision-making into the executive branch.

You only like socialism because you think you can use it to make us not eat cows.

I'm gonna have a cow, buddy.

[Botten]

You only like socialism because you think you can use it to make us not eat cows.

I'm gonna have a cow, buddy.

Red meat? But why?

Edit: don’t say because Argentina! Right? Got to support dear leaders decision and transferred funds and redistribution and government acquired things. Venezuela acquired companies too. Also socialism so glad America 1st right? Right shovel …

[Reiwa]

Red meat? But why?

To offend Lord Ganesh and because it's yummy.

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[Reiwa]

Edit: don’t say because Argentina! Right? Got to support dear leaders decision and transferred funds and redistribution and government acquired things. Venezuela acquired companies too. Also socialism so glad America 1st right? Right shovel …

I would have to say those are artifacts from the Peronist period. As in they already owned that part of the Argentine economy before mr milei came to power.

Peronism is national socialism in all but name.

[Botten]

I would have to say those are artifacts from the Peronist period. As in they already owned that part of the Argentine economy before mr milei came to power.

Peronism is national socialism in all but name.

Meh, feels like redistribution of wealth.

Wealthy investors with ties to the this administration, including billionaire hedge fund managers who have invested in Argentina benefit from the financial support provided to the country. This administration authorized a billion dollar financial lifeline to Argentina, and officials stated they were working on a plan for an additional billion more. The second phase of funding was suggested to involve private banks and sovereign wealth funds.

[Reiwa]

Meh, feels like redistribution of wealth.

Wealthy investors with ties to the this administration, including billionaire hedge fund managers who have invested in Argentina benefit from the financial support provided to the country. This administration authorized a billion dollar financial lifeline to Argentina, and officials stated they were working on a plan for an additional billion more. The second phase of funding was suggested to involve private banks and sovereign wealth funds.

A currency swap is closer to a hedge than a loan.

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[shovelquest]

China?

They are a supply and demand economy and less socialist than America.

Dollar for dollar there is more spending on social programs in the USA at around ~21–23% of our GDP while China spends around 6%

Second of all, we paid for everything in that country that isnt a dirt road with our supply and demand economy giving them all our jobs.

[shovelquest]

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[Botten]

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[shovelquest]

Can't argue with that :D

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/D5wgQeH.png