Gluten-free is a scam to sell more corn and corn accessories

[Reiwa]

Change my mind

[loramin]

It both is and isn't.

For people with Celiac's it's 100% legit ... but the companies that make the gluten-free products want to be able to sell to more than just Celiac's patients, so they pretend like gluten-free is healthier for everyone ... which is a scam.

[Reiwa]

It both is and isn't.

For people with Celiac's it's 100% legit ... but the companies that make the gluten-free products want to be able to sell to more than just Celiac's patients, so they pretend like gluten-free is healthier for everyone ... which is a scam.

Do you suppose celiacs were buying wheat products before it became a trade-term?

[shovelquest]

I remember when I first saw the words gluten at whole foods and was like, oh is this the new carb?

It was!

[Cecily]

Change my mind

Shut up

[Computer Man]

These are the same people you give a bowl of ice cubes to when they want dessert.

[Reiwa]

Shut up

The corn lobby has arrived to silence my speech.

[Cecily]

Enhanced interrogation techniques (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_techniques), but with corn syrup.

[loramin]

Do you suppose celiacs were buying wheat products before it became a trade-term?

Yes.

My sister has Celiac's, and she had several symptoms from it but had no idea what the cause was. When she finally discovered she had Celiac's (and could avoid those symptoms by avoiding gluten) it was a great relief for her.

[Cecily]

You go through life feeling like shit because your food options are literally poisoning you.

[Reiwa]

Yes.

My sister has Celiac's, and she had several symptoms from it but had no idea what the cause was. When she finally discovered she had Celiac's (and could avoid those symptoms by avoiding gluten) it was a great relief for her.

Oh. It helps her buy more corn and corn accessories then?

How deep does this rabbit hole go...

[loramin]

Oh. It helps her buy more corn and corn accessories then?

How deep does this rabbit hole go...

As opposed to eating products with wheat gluten in them, yes.

It's the same as how people who are allergic to peanuts are helped when they don't to eat products with peanuts in them. It's really not a hard concept to grasp.

[Reiwa]

How deep does this rabbit hole go...

https://old.redemmas.org//uploads/edition/cover/13302/reasonable_conquestofbread.jpg

published 1892

[shovelquest]

I saw a meme once that said I wonder how many medieval cooks were killed because a poison tester had a food allergy.

[Reiwa]

As opposed to eating products with wheat gluten in them, yes.

It's the same as how people who are allergic to peanuts are helped when they don't to eat products with peanuts in them. It's really not a hard concept to grasp.

OK Corn, you win. I will attend gluten sensitivity training.

[Ephirith]

ur unacknowledged and misdirected frustration with our current corporatist dystopia has led you to, whether ironically or not, express callousness toward a person with celiacs

Remember that the concept of sensitivity training itself began as a method for corporations to lubricate western society for the importation of trillions of h1b's and immigrants in order to depress the cost of labor and increase profits.

https://i.imgur.com/UrlTknM.jpeg

[Duik]

ur unacknowledged and misdirected frustration with our current corporatist dystopia has led you to, whether ironically or not, express callousness toward a person with celiacs

Remember that the concept of sensitivity training itself began as a method for corporations to lubricate western society for the importation of trillions of h1b's and immigrants in order to depress the cost of labor not and increase profits.

https://i.imgur.com/UrlTknM.jpeg

When I was a kid I used to think E85 was a great compromise so African (everything was about poor hungry africa then) corn farmers could grow food and make bank.
Little did i realise that the kind of corn grown for food was different to fuel corn. So not only were the hungry still hungry, it was only a few people at the top of the chain that actually made big money.

Corn is the victim here. They call them kernels but they are treated like privates.

[shovelquest]

ur unacknowledged and misdirected frustration with our current corporatist dystopia

But this guy supports the absolute supreme power of IP law in 25 year old gaming communities BWAHAHAHA

[Reiwa]

When I was a kid I used to think E85 was a great compromise so African (everything was about poor hungry africa then) corn farmers could grow food and make bank.
Little did i realise that the kind of corn grown for food was different to fuel corn. So not only were the hungry still hungry, it was only a few people at the top of the chain that actually made big money.

Corn is the victim here. They call them kernels but they are treated like privates.

That non-food corn can still be the best thing for them to produce, because pencils.

[Ephirith]

They call them kernels but they are treated like privates.

A+

[Reiwa]

Still, I have heard: we must not tolerate those who are intolerant.

What kind of bar is this?

[Cecily]

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[loramin]

OK Corn, you win. I will attend gluten sensitivity training.

You can be against the massive subsidies for the corn industry, but still not be against people with a disease (that has nothing to do with corn). The world's a complex place :rolleyes:

[Reiwa]

You can be against the massive subsidies for the corn industry, but still not be against people with a disease (that has nothing to do with corn). The world's a complex place :rolleyes:

I know it's polite to say the problem is corn subsidies and not the corn addiction.

[loramin]

I know it's polite to say the problem is corn subsidies and not the corn addiction.

Without the subsidies, we wouldn't have (or at least we'd have a lot less) "corn addiction".

The main (though certainly not the only) effect of all those subsidies is to make corn cheaper. People consume cheap things more than they consume expensive things, and so they consume more corn when its price is artificially low.

[shovelquest]

Corn in soda-pop good or bad? I can't keep up with the biploars anymore.

https://i.imgur.com/YHzrRpu.png

[Reiwa]

Without the subsidies, we wouldn't have (or at least we'd have a lot less) "corn addiction".

The main (though certainly not the only) effect of all those subsidies is to make corn cheaper. People consume cheap things more than they consume expensive things, and so they consume more corn when its price is artificially low.

What about when the corn addicts vote for someone to take away their corn subsidies?

Is that illegitimate?

What's the problem.

[loramin]

Corn in soda-pop good or bad? I can't keep up with the biploars anymore.

From a health perspective the two are equally bad ... but flavor-wise a lot of people (myself included) find sugar tastes better than corn syrup.

What about when the corn addicts vote for someone to take away their corn subsidies?

Is that illegitimate?

What's the problem.

Huh?

[Reiwa]

From a health perspective the two are equally bad ... but flavor-wise a lot of people (myself included) find sugar tastes better than corn syrup.



Huh?

The corn addicts are being provided with corn at a subsidized price.

The majority of all corn addicts vote to end the corn subsidization.

What should happen to the corn?

[loramin]

People should eat it, and then not grow so much corn? Same thing that should happen if anyone votes to end the subsidies.

You sure have some odd questions.

[Reiwa]

People should eat it, and then not grow so much corn? Same thing that should happen if anyone votes to end the subsidies.

You sure have some odd questions.

This is a popular meme right now.

https://i.imgur.com/3odBLIR.png

[Reiwa]

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[Reiwa]

thinkin bout them dogs (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/foster-farms-corn-dogs-recall-wood-batter/)

U.S.

Foster Farms corn dogs recalled after wood was found in batter

Nearly 4 million pounds of chicken corn dog products were recalled because they may have been contaminated after pieces of wood were found in the batter, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced Saturday.

[shovelquest]

Celiac disease is fake

[Reiwa]

Celiac disease is fake

No, no. There are plenty of people who sincerely believe they have Celic disease.

[shovelquest]

Whatever happened to all the people that told me they were allergic to MSG from 1990-2010 they just up and vanished around the time gluten became a thing.

What miracle drug did they invent to cure all those people?

[Reiwa]

Whatever happened to all the people that told me they were allergic to MSG from 1990-2010 they just up and vanished around the time gluten became a thing.

What miracle drug did they invent to cure all those people?

I assume some of them have died.

Big Corn is to blame.

[shovelquest]

People you feed milk to that are dairy intolerant buckle over and shit their pants, that one I wont argue.

But I'd like to see some real time gluten or MSG reactions in the natural world.

Its also highly suspicious that it road the anti carb work out health trend.

[Duik]

That non-food corn can still be the best thing for them to produce, because pencils.

Still didnt feed them though. That was a massive thing. Like food. Canny eat pencils or money.

[Reiwa]

Still didnt feed them though. That was a massive thing. Like food. Canny eat pencils or money.

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[Cecily]

Remember when you were like hurr it's super funny telling Cecily to cook with cast iron. I'm pretty sure I have Celiac.

https://i.imgur.com/cSbZICF.jpeg

[Reiwa]

Remember when you were like hurr it's super funny telling Cecily to cook with cast iron. I'm pretty sure I have Celiac.

https://i.imgur.com/cSbZICF.jpeg

Well yes, you needed it for your blood loss.

[Cecily]

That's one way to become iron deficient and anemic. GI absorption issues is another I strongly suspect I actually do have.

[Reiwa]

That's one way to become iron deficient and anemic. GI absorption issues is another I strongly suspect I actually do have.

Are you experiencing tooth decay, fertility issues, and excessive gas?

[Cecily]

It's funnier when you make half-assed trans jokes. Go back to that. Sometimes I'll eat things and get hit with a massive wave of fatigue that I need to sleep off for 1-2 hours and wake up angry with a headache and needing sugar. Have normal blood glucose levels.

[Reiwa]

It's funnier when you make half-assed trans jokes. Go back to that. Sometimes I'll eat things and get hit with a massive wave of fatigue that I need to sleep off for 1-2 hours and wake up angry with a headache and needing sugar. Have normal blood glucose levels.

Glucose test or A1C test?

[Cecily]

It ain't the beetus.

[Reiwa]

It ain't the beetus.

https://www.cyberciti.biz/media/new/cms/2017/04/dns.jpg

[Cecily]

What Constitutes the Unlicensed Practice of Medicine

The “unauthorized practice of medicine” is a legal concept defined by state laws, which vary but share common principles. Generally, these laws are outlined in a state’s Medical Practice Act and enforced by a state medical board. The core of the offense involves performing actions that are reserved for licensed medical professionals. These actions typically include diagnosing an ailment, treating a condition, operating on a person, or prescribing medication for any physical or mental health issue.

Giving what is perceived as “medical advice” can easily fall into the categories of diagnosing and treating. For instance, telling someone that their symptoms indicate a specific disease or recommending a particular course of action to heal an injury could qualify. It is not necessary for payment to be exchanged or for the person giving the advice to have intended harm.

This applies not only to individuals with no medical background but also to licensed professionals acting outside the scope of their specific license or in a state where they are not licensed. For example, a physician licensed in one state cannot legally provide medical advice to a patient in another state without being licensed there. Even using the title “doctor” without clarification by someone who is not a medical doctor can be considered a form of unlicensed practice.

[shovelquest]

utopia sounds pretty lame.

[Reiwa]

What Constitutes the Unlicensed Practice of Medicine

The “unauthorized practice of medicine” is a legal concept defined by state laws, which vary but share common principles. Generally, these laws are outlined in a state’s Medical Practice Act and enforced by a state medical board. The core of the offense involves performing actions that are reserved for licensed medical professionals. These actions typically include diagnosing an ailment, treating a condition, operating on a person, or prescribing medication for any physical or mental health issue.

Giving what is perceived as “medical advice” can easily fall into the categories of diagnosing and treating. For instance, telling someone that their symptoms indicate a specific disease or recommending a particular course of action to heal an injury could qualify. It is not necessary for payment to be exchanged or for the person giving the advice to have intended harm.

This applies not only to individuals with no medical background but also to licensed professionals acting outside the scope of their specific license or in a state where they are not licensed. For example, a physician licensed in one state cannot legally provide medical advice to a patient in another state without being licensed there. Even using the title “doctor” without clarification by someone who is not a medical doctor can be considered a form of unlicensed practice.

My advice:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51+326T-oTL.jpg

There, now I'm legally indemnified. :)

[Wakanda]

You go through life feeling like shit because your food options are literally poisoning you.

idk how accurate this. i barely eat (maybe once every couple of days) and mostly just drink beer and i still feel like crap.

[Duik]

Many a Beer is wheat based...

[shovelquest]

Many a Beer is wheat based...

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[Cecily]

idk how accurate this. i barely eat (maybe once every couple of days) and mostly just drink beer and i still feel like crap.

I appreciate the multiple layers in this joke.

[Reiwa]

Many a Beer is wheat based...

Is it a wheat intolerant bar?

[WarpathEQ]

For the most part its not the products/ingredients that are the issue. At least for folks in the US, which is the majority of the community. The real issue is the processing and genetic altering.

Its why people that identify as having gluten allergy/sensitivity can often consume wheat products over seas without issue but virtually all of those products in the US make them feel like shit when consumed.

My wife suffers from many food allergies in the US often resulting in pain and discomfort from eating, making restaurant food virtually inedible. Yet when we travel outside of the US all the things that make her feel like death or immediately run to the bathroom are just fine elsewhere, with rare exception.

[shovelquest]

Well something in the food in europe is turning people retarded.

[loramin]

For the most part its not the products/ingredients that are the issue. At least for folks in the US, which is the majority of the community. The real issue is the processing and genetic altering.

Its why people that identify as having gluten allergy/sensitivity can often consume wheat products over seas without issue but virtually all of those products in the US make them feel like shit when consumed.

My wife suffers from many food allergies in the US often resulting in pain and discomfort from eating, making restaurant food virtually inedible. Yet when we travel outside of the US all the things that make her feel like death or immediately run to the bathroom are just fine elsewhere, with rare exception.

No disrespect, but that's not how allergies work.

If you could process (or not process) some allergens in a way that made them safe to eat (in Europe or anywhere else), you could make billions of dollars selling food to people that otherwise couldn't eat it. People who have been allergic to peanuts, eggs, fish, etc. would be throwing money at you ... but again, that's now how allergies work.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't truth to what you're saying, as we do process some foods very differently here vs. other countries. For instance, Europe handles salmonella in eggs the proper way (by preventing it at the source), while America handles it by allowing the salmonella to grow, and then washing it off the egg's exterior ... which is why we need to keep our eggs refrigerated, while the Europeans don't.

All I'm saying is that, whatever we do in America to piss off your wife's digestive/immune/whatever system ... it isn't about allergies to the food she's eating.

P.S. There are plenty of food-based illnesses that aren't allergies. For instance, I can't eat peanuts, but I don't die if I eat them (as I would if I was allergic) ... I just vomit and feel miserable for hours afterward.

[Ephirith]

Ye if one is systematically getting ill from american food, but nowhere else, and it's not some kind of confirmation bias/illusory correlation, there's a good chance it has to do with our incredibly lax standards for the kind of nasty chemicals, antimicrobials, bulking agents, and other additives for viscosity, shelf life, color, texture, etc etc etc... to maximize profit. Because our laws and regulations are written by special interests, power players, and corporations to a greater extent than most of our peer countries.

It's very fun, the amount of shit you can dump in a product in the US and still write organic on the box

[shovelquest]

man if gluten causes all these problems imagine what the shit we put in vaccines do! :eek:

[atomicpaul]

you get a vaccine every now and then, maybe but you gotta eat most every day

[Jimjam]

If mould can't survive on bread no more, then how do our bodies and our gut biome feel about it?

[WarpathEQ]

No disrespect, but that's not how allergies work.

If you could process (or not process) some allergens in a way that made them safe to eat (in Europe or anywhere else), you could make billions of dollars selling food to people that otherwise couldn't eat it. People who have been allergic to peanuts, eggs, fish, etc. would be throwing money at you ... but again, that's now how allergies work.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't truth to what you're saying, as we do process some foods very differently here vs. other countries. For instance, Europe handles salmonella in eggs the proper way (by preventing it at the source), while America handles it by allowing the salmonella to grow, and then washing it off the egg's exterior ... which is why we need to keep our eggs refrigerated, while the Europeans don't.

All I'm saying is that, whatever we do in America to piss off your wife's digestive/immune/whatever system ... it isn't about allergies to the food she's eating.

P.S. There are plenty of food-based illnesses that aren't allergies. For instance, I can't eat peanuts, but I don't die if I eat them (as I would if I was allergic) ... I just vomit and feel miserable for hours afterward.

I think we're aligned on the underlying concern. My point was more that the wheat/gluten allergy that most people have in the US now isn't actually a wheat/gluten allergy, its a misdiagnosis or misunderstanding of the root of the issues and that those individuals can consume wheat/gluten without issue under different standards of processing or versions that haven't been genetically altered in a lab to promote profit over health.

You also make a great point that allergy is probably the wrong word for all of this stuff as generally the types of "allergies" we're referring to (we being society as a whole) are really just circumstances leading to illness or discomfort and not truly a life threatening outcome as a true allergy could have.

[shovelquest]

you get a vaccine every now and then, maybe but you gotta eat most every day

Our bodies are designed to consume food.

Not to be injected with things we cant pronounce or know what they are.

Food you can tell almost immediately if you should or shouldn't be eating it, we're evolved to be able to tell.

You may not notice yourself puffing up like a balloon the more you eat but I do.

[Jimjam]

Our bodies are designed to consume food.

Not to be injected with things we cant pronounce or know what they are.

Food you can tell almost immediately if you should or shouldn't be eating it, we're evolved to be able to tell.

You may not notice yourself puffing up like a balloon the more you eat but I do.

our bodies are designed to build up resilience to invasive foreign bodies

[shovelquest]

Build up? Or stop a D-Day invasion of them immediately after being conscripted?

[loramin]

Food you can tell almost immediately if you should or shouldn't be eating it, we're evolved to be able to tell.

This reminds me of that crazy Republican senator who legitimately thought woman had a built-in "abort rape babies" mechanism.

Rep. Todd Akin: It seems to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, uh, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

Anyone with even a halfway decent education would realize that people have been dying from shit their bodies weren't evolved to tell them was immediately bad ... since (literally) the dawn of the species.

[Reiwa]

our bodies are designed to build up resilience to invasive foreign bodies

Corn, without nixtamalization, will give you Peel's Brimstone.

[shovelquest]

This reminds me of that crazy Republican senator who legitimately thought woman had a built-in "abort rape babies" mechanism.

You calling jimjam a republican senator?

our bodies are designed to build up resilience to invasive foreign bodies

[loramin]

You calling jimjam a republican senator?

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[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/lARgsex.gif

[Reiwa]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2ofH3oWcAAjZk0?format=jpg&name=small

[shovelquest]

Aside from obese people, I can't really argue that healthy people that eat American food, are any less healthy than healthy people that eat European food.

So I'm starting to think all our concerns about US food and chemical additives are just concerns.

Are there more autistic people in the USA than Europe?

Are there more autistic people in America, than other countries? Or do we say there is an equal amount everywhere and chalk the difference to American exceptionalism: we just keep better track of them?

I am really curious.

[Reiwa]

Aside from obese people, I can't really argue that healthy people that eat American food, are any less healthy than healthy people that eat European food.

So I'm starting to think all our concerns about US food and chemical additives are just concerns.

Are there more autistic people in the USA than Europe?

Are there more autistic people in America, than other countries? Or do we say there is an equal amount everywhere and chalk the difference to American exceptionalism: we just keep better track of them?

I am really curious.

In Europe the schools you're allowed to go to and the careers you're allowed to have are decided based on test scores when you're 12.

[Ephirith]

Does it make you folks feel better to make up ghoulie stories about the generally more liberal/progressive societies across the sea?

I heard in Seattle dating consists of one big web of polycules that all share a netflix password

[Reiwa]

Does it make you folks feel better to make up ghoulie stories about the generally more liberal/progressive societies across the sea?

I heard in Seattle dating consists of one big web of polycules that all share a netflix password

I dunno about Seattle but down here everyone has a "partner" as opposed to using normal terms like a regular person.

[Cecily]

That sounds amazing.

[Reiwa]

That sounds amazing.

Just say wife. She's your wife. Be respectful to her.

[shovelquest]

Does it make you folks feel better to make up ghoulie stories about the generally more liberal/progressive societies across the sea?

I heard in Seattle dating consists of one big web of polycules that all share a netflix password

Thats why we came here aint it?

[Jimjam]

You calling jimjam a republican senator?

I mean not to go fully regard, and not to say it is an actively conscious process, but pregnancy does sadly pose immune response complications upto and including miscarriage.

I like the news that Seattle has a communal Netflix.

[Reiwa]

USDA Deactivates Nation’s Corn During Government Shutdown (https://theonion.com/usda-deactivates-nations-corn-during-government-shutdown/)

Is this about something like as a news reference or just monkey cheese?

[kjs86z2]

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