What does an anti-psychotic do?

[SorenVC]

Hi. I've been diagnosed with undifferentiated schizophrenia, asperger, psychosis when I was 16 (also have ocd :D) and been taking Olanzapine Zyprexa in different dosages. I think they started me with 25 mg then lowered it down. I am now 28 years old so I took it for 12 years.

When I was on 7.5 mg for the last two or so years I was getting days where I wake up with a headache and the headache stays and I go to bed with a headache. That's why I tried to get rid of it with no success. Everytime I told my therapist or my mom I have a headache they just said it doesn't come from olanzapine and my therapist said I should be on it for life.

Regardless of this my therapist lowered the dosage to 5 mg and I was feeling better for 3 weeks but today I received a headache full day again... I will ask her to reduce it to 2.5 mg and then I will take that for a month or so and then not take it anymore. 2.5 mg is the lowest dosage in pill form so what more can I do. I'm too lazy to ask for this olanzapine in liquid form or do a really slow taper...

So I have two questions:

1 what does Olanzapine or any anti-psychotic actually do?

2 does God want me to take olanzapine zyprexa and stay on this anti-psychotic all my life and just live with the pain? Or does he want me to try and break free from it like I will try now?

I always got rid of it cold turkey with no success but this time as I said I will get the 2.5 mg pills prescribed from my therapist and then one day stop taking them. I mean what more can I do at this point... Hope it works tho.

[SorenVC]

I also made an appointment with a neurologist in late november. Maybe they can help me. They are also psychiatrists. Hope they can tell me what's going on and why I have a headache.

To be honest I agree there's some illnesses like ocd or autism but I don't really believe in schizophrenia or psychosis or depression. That's what they say when they don't like your behavior. And then they can force you to try those anti-depressants, anti-psychotics that mess with your brain. It looks really sketchy to me to be honest. I have a hard time trusting these drugs that supposedly help me.

[Reiwa]

Lune would explain it better, free Lune!

That drug blocks your dopa and sero receptors in the brain to short circuit positive symptoms like mania and hallucinations.

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[shovelquest]

for 2. Its ok, use all the medicines. It's only until someone can not be considered "human" that you've gone too far.

[Ekco]

headaches are a common side effect afaik, i know i get them from my generic prozac and risperdal which i'm currently not taking.

Olanzapine sounds familar idk if i was on that or not, headaches are fine it's crazy dreams/nightmares i can't hang with and all those ssri antidepressants have that as known side effect

[ShampooChicken]

I didn't find psych meds had any sort of good or useful effect on me. I tried SSRIs for a while (2 different ones) about 20 years ago and they made me feel extremely disoriented and killed my libido. When I went off them I got brain zaps that felt like I was having a mini seizure.

But, I'm not diagnosed with schizophrenia or psychosis. Maybe your needs are different. Most of my problems went away (slowly) with self-administered exposure therapy. In other words, forcing myself to do the things that made me uncomfortable, every day, over and over again, until I could handle them.

[SorenVC]

for 2. Its ok, use all the medicines. It's only until someone can not be considered "human" that you've gone too far.

Ok but I will still ask my therapist to reduce it from 5 mg to 2.5 mg. I took 7.5 mg for a very long time but then I had a daily headache. At 5 mg it was much better for two or three weeks but yesterday I had that headache again. Maybe I need to reduce it more. I will try at least...

headaches are a common side effect afaik, i know i get them from my generic prozac and risperdal which i'm currently not taking.

Olanzapine sounds familar idk if i was on that or not, headaches are fine it's crazy dreams/nightmares i can't hang with and all those ssri antidepressants have that as known side effect

I told my therapist and my mom that I have a constant headache on 7.5 mg Olanzapine and they don't believe me and just say that I need to do more sports. I don't really know where the headache is coming from, from the pill or something else? That's why I will go to a neurologist-psychiatrist in late November.

[Jimjam]

are you able to visit a GP to get a general health check up done, including bloods and urine?

That could be helpful for identifying all sorts of gaps, including in nutrition and general health. If this isn't possible, perhaps a pharmacy would be able to check your blood pressure?

In fairness to your therapist, while generally more exercise and healthy nutrition tend to be good advice, therapists may not be the best professional to discuss medication - they are not a medical doctor nor psychiatrist? Perhaps it would be best to discuss side effects with the prescriber? Or is that who refered you to the neurologist-psychiatrist?

That all said, have you challenged your therapist that their reaction to you was a bit standoffish or unempathetic / invalidating when you've shared this feeling / belief / thought that your medicine may be causing your problems? What kind of approach your therapist incorporates? Person centred? Psychodynamic? Is this representative of how they generally work with you or other clients? How are the sessions funded and what is their motivation to help you?

[SorenVC]

are you able to visit a GP to get a general health check up done, including bloods and urine?

That could be helpful for identifying all sorts of gaps, including in nutrition and general health. If this isn't possible, perhaps a pharmacy would be able to check your blood pressure?

In fairness to your therapist, while generally more exercise and healthy nutrition tend to be good advice, therapists may not be the best professional to discuss medication - they are not a medical doctor nor psychiatrist? Perhaps it would be best to discuss side effects with the prescriber? Or is that who refered you to the neurologist-psychiatrist?

That all said, have you challenged your therapist that their reaction to you was a bit standoffish or unempathetic / invalidating when you've shared this feeling / belief / thought that your medicine may be causing your problems? What kind of approach your therapist incorporates? Person centred? Psychodynamic? Is this representative of how they generally work with you or other clients? How are the sessions funded and what is their motivation to help you?

I checked on google my therapist is a specialist for psychiatry and psychotherapy (in German "Fachärztin für Psychiatrie und Psychotherapie"). She is prescribing me the pills since I was released from being in a mental hospital for 4 months when I was 16. I told her I had a constant headache on 7.5 mg on Olanzapine and that my sleep felt weird. I woke up and felt like I didn't sleep. But she said I can't get headaches from Olanzapine, it does not do that and I asked her if I should be on this medication for life - she said yes.

Regardless I asked her to prescribe me 5 mg and she did and I felt better for 2 or 3 weeks but yesterday I woke up with a headache again that lasted all day. I admit I'm just staying in my apartment all day. I don't like to go outside that much. Maybe it's that. Lack of connection or lack of sunlight.

I will ask her on 16th September next week if she can reduce it to 2.5 mg. I will try that dosage and see if anything's better. I hope she will let me do that and prescribe me this dosage though and trust me. If I will feel worse I can just take two pills so it be 5 mg again, right?

I made an appointment a month ago to a neurologist-psychiatrist about the headaches. I will have to wait until late November for that though... But on this Olanzapine medication I just feel random headaches. I don't know why I keep having them and some days it lasts for the entire day...

[Jimjam]

Good luck with the appointments and getting this resolved my friend :)

[Tann]

I took some anti-psychotic meds once during my high school druggy days, felt like nothing was happening then BAM, drooling vegetable for what seemed like 16 hours straight. Felt like Bruce Willis in 12 Monkeys.

[Ciderpress]

It makes you act less like my mother in-law am i right??

[SorenVC]

I'm tired of waiting for the 16th September to reduce to 2.5 mg Olanzapine. I will stop cold-turkey today on 5 mg and see what happens. Probably not able to sleep but I don't have a job now anyway and I have a headache since three days that doesn't go away. If I tell my therapist she will increase dosage to 7.5 or 10 mg and say that I need this for the rest of my life and then I'll get a daily headache again and noone will believe me it comes from the drug...

[SorenVC]

I wonder when we're all dead and go to heaven and if God exists, will he explain that giving drugs to underage people (me 16 years) and adults and telling them that it helps them and forcing them to stay on them was WRONG and EVIL. Or will he let it slide and grant them entry to heaven because they had GOOD INTENTIONS or didn't KNOW that it was evil? Will God let this slide guys?

Guys I accepted that I'm mentally ill and have to take drugs for 50 or 60 more years until I die of old age. I will have a headache everyday and feel no joy, but this is what God wanted for me because everyone I asked, my mom and my therapist said I should be on this drug forever. So that's what I did. But the drug caused all this headaches and made my sleep terrible. The more I live the more I feel God never intervenes in life, if he exists at all, and the ark of Noah, the flood and all the stories in the Bible are literally fairy tales.

I will try cold-turkey off this awful headache inducing drug and see how I feel. If I can't sleep so be it. I'm sick of the headache. Utterly sick of it.

[Tann]

(me 16 years)....50 or 60 more years until I die of old age.

I know i can't math but this is America kiddo, you're not "old age" until at least 100 and will most likely die at work trying to afford those pills which will cost 80-90% of your income. Our fearful leader is in his 80's, wears diapers, and can't complete a full sentence, just look at what you can accomplish here!

[SorenVC]

I know i can't math but this is America kiddo, you're not "old age" until at least 100 and will most likely die at work trying to afford those pills which will cost 80-90% of your income. Our fearful leader is in his 80's, wears diapers, and can't complete a full sentence, just look at what you can accomplish here!

I get the pills for free in Germany. I have no job currently and get money from Arbeitsagentur.

[SorenVC]

Does anyone have a better solution to my problem? I was gonna wait 'till 16th September to ask my therapist if she can reduce it to 2.5 mg and then take that for a month and then split it in half for a month - then stop. But I keep getting a headache everyday now. So I will just stop cold-turkey. I will suffer but I see no other way now.

[loramin]

But the drug caused all this headaches and made my sleep terrible.

The side effects of Zyprexa suck (source: I literally took half a pill last night ... because I needed it, but hate the side effects). However, the part about making your sleep terrible really sounds like it might have another source: I'm no doctor, but insomnia isn't listed as one of the drug's side effects. In fact, sleepiness is actually one of the side effects that make me hate taking the drug.

In other words, you really might want to see if something else might be messing with your sleep. As for the headaches, I've never gotten them, but they seem to be a normal side effect of the drug:

Headache is a common and often manageable side effect of olanzapine. It is typically a mild side effect, though it can also be a sign of more serious, rare complications. The frequency of headaches may decrease as your body adjusts to the medication.

Common headaches
If you experience a mild headache from olanzapine, you can try the following management strategies:


Increase water intake Staying hydrated can help relieve the headache.

Use a cold compress Applying a cold pack or compress to your forehead may provide some relief.

Consider over-the-counter pain relief With a doctor or pharmacist's approval, you can take medications like ibuprofen (Advil) or acetaminophen (Tylenol) to manage the pain.

Manage stress Stress-reducing activities may help alleviate headaches.

Engage in light exercise Gentle physical activity can sometimes be beneficial.


Potentially serious complications

In rare cases, a headache can be a symptom of a more serious condition related to olanzapine.

High blood sugar

Olanzapine can increase blood sugar levels, and headaches can be a sign of hyperglycemia (high blood sugar). If you have diabetes or notice symptoms like increased thirst, frequent urination, or blurred vision, report this to your doctor immediately.

Blood disorders

In very rare instances, olanzapine can cause blood disorders that may lead to severe infection. Stop taking the medication and seek immediate medical help if a headache is accompanied by fever, chills, sore throat, or unusual bruising.

When to contact a doctor

Consult your doctor or prescriber if your headaches:


Become severe or do not go away.
Are accompanied by other symptoms that concern you.
Occur along with symptoms of high blood sugar or blood disorders.


In other words, "If you have diabetes or notice symptoms like increased thirst, frequent urination, or blurred vision" or "if a headache is accompanied by fever, chills, sore throat, or unusual bruising" you should absolutely stop taking the drug, and maybe get to an emergency room.

But if the headaches are more mild, maybe you can get by with some Ibuprofen?

[SorenVC]

The headaches are terrible. When I open my eyes in the morning and wake up I have a headache since two days. It is coming from olanzapine. Even when I sleep on olanzapine the sleep doesn't do any good. It is drug induced sleep. Why you guys and the public put so much faith in psych drugs? Yet when I say that I go to a therapist some people think I'm a weakling or am on drugs, which is both true.

But is it my fault they gave me drugs when I was 16? Just because they say they want to help me doesn't mean they actually help me.

[loramin]

Why you guys and the public put so much faith in psych drugs? Yet when I say that I go to a therapist some people think I'm a weakling or am on drugs, which is both true.

When you get an infection, are you a weakling for taking a drug to lower your fever? If you break a leg, are you a weakling for wearing a cast?

I don't have "faith" in psych drugs: like I said before, Zyprexa is terrible. But the alternative, of losing control of your own mind, strikes me as more terrible.

Again, I took Zyprexa last night. Today I'm probably going to gain weight, have a harder time focusing, and tonight I'll have "restless leg syndrome" like crazy ... because, again, Zyprexa sucks.

But if I didn't take it, I know it can set off a spiral where I ultimately get super irritable, can't sleep, talk too fast, etc. For me, the trade-off of taking the drugs is worth it.

If you're getting headaches so bad you can't sleep, and you've tried the suggestions I quoted (drink more water, take some Advil, etc.) and they haven't worked, then taking care of yourself might mean stopping the drug now instead of in four days. I'm not advocating for taking or not ... I'm advocating for taking (good) care of yourself.

[SorenVC]

When you get an infection, are you a weakling for taking a drug to lower your fever? If you break a leg, are you a weakling for wearing a cast?

I don't have "faith" in psych drugs: like I said before, Zyprexa is terrible. But the alternative, of losing control of your own mind, strikes me as more terrible.

Again, I took Zyprexa last night. Today I'm probably going to gain weight, have a harder time focusing, and tonight I'll have "restless leg syndrome" like crazy ... because, again, Zyprexa sucks.

But if I didn't take it, I know it can set off a spiral where I ultimately get super irritable, can't sleep, talk too fast, etc. For me, the trade-off of taking the drugs is worth it.

If you're getting headaches so bad you can't sleep, and you've tried the suggestions I quoted (drink more water, take some Advil, etc.) and they haven't worked, then taking care of yourself might mean stopping the drug now instead of in four days. I'm not advocating for taking or not ... I'm advocating for taking (good) care of yourself.

What if you never lost your mind? That's what they all say to give you the drugs to help you. This guy is "schizophrenic" so we must give him medicine. And they pretend to care but they don't know what the medicine does. It just matters that it is FDA approved like PRIME and then even children can get it. In my opinion these psychiatrists and therapists have no idea what they are doing. They are just pretending to help you, giving you more prescriptions. If they didn't give you any prescriptions, they would just be called psychologists. You know, the guys who listen to you and try to give solutions without setting you on drugs.

But no we must give drugs to children. Was I not a child at 16 years old? If I knew what it does and that it was painful or impossible to come off from, I would have never agreed to take it. It is just a scam in my opinion. The entire dsm classifications in psychiatry is a scam to put people on drugs legally.

[SorenVC]

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[loramin]

What if you never lost your mind? That's what they all say to give you the drugs to help you. This guy is "schizophrenic" so we must give him medicine. And they pretend to care but they don't know what the medicine does. It just matters that it is FDA approved like PRIME and then even children can get it. In my opinion these psychiatrists and therapists have no idea what they are doing. They are just pretending to help you, giving you more prescriptions. If they didn't give you any prescriptions, they would just be called psychologists. You know, the guys who listen to you and try to give solutions without setting you on drugs.

But no we must give drugs to children. Was I not a child at 16 years old? If I knew what it does and that it was painful or impossible to come off from, I would have never agreed to take it. It is just a scam in my opinion. The entire dsm classifications in psychiatry is a scam to put people on drugs legally.

I hear your frustration. We don't yet have the medicine we need to treat many mental illnesses, so it's a bit like getting polio or something, back before we knew how to fully cure it.

A good friend of my wife is going through a manic episode right now: she's left her husband and kid, is living (for now) in a motel, and has stopped speaking to any of her friends. No one can do anything, because even if they could force a pill down her throat, there's no such magic pill.

So, it's all fucked up: what do you do? You can use it as an excuse to give up, but that's the path my wife's friend took. Sanity can be incredibly hard to get back once you've lost it.

Or do you say fuck! Nothing in life is ever fucking easy: half the doctors are incompetent, and more than half of the drugs don't work (or have terrible side effects) ... but, even so, you don't give up. You try different doctors, drugs, diets, exercise, meditation, and so on ... until you're in a place you can live sane and comfortably.

[SorenVC]

I don't really need much to live life. I can live life in my small apartment with the basics. If I have a smartphone with internet it is even easier. I always said prison would be heaven with no prisoners inside.

You call it "giving up" when one becomes a hermit like that friend you speak of. Well ok then I give up. I will try to get a job. But other than that, I don't feel any duty to do anything else than doing a job and be a respectable member of society, or some nonsense like that.

[Ekco]

A good friend of my wife is going through a manic episode right now: she's left her husband and kid, is living (for now) in a motel, and has stopped speaking to any of her friends. No one can do anything, because even if they could force a pill down her throat, there's no such magic pill.

So, it's all fucked up: what do you do? You can use it as an excuse to give up, but that's the path my wife's friend took. Sanity can be incredibly hard to get back once you've lost it.


depending on what triggered it they might come back actually better if its an emotional baggage type situation

my last manic adventure rewired my whole brain it seems like and i've never felt better since, only downside was maxing out credit cards n shit lol

[loramin]

I don't really need much to live life. I can live life in my small apartment with the basics. If I have a smartphone with internet it is even easier. I always said prison would be heaven with no prisoners inside.

You call it "giving up" when one becomes a hermit like that friend you speak of. Well ok then I give up. I will try to get a job. But other than that, I don't feel any duty to do anything else than doing a job and be a respectable member of society, or some nonsense like that.

You do you, but I didn't mean "give up on society's expectations of you". You should absolutely do that (although I can't imagine you'll find happiness and fulfillment as a hermit)

I meant don't give up on yourself or on sanity.

[loramin]

depending on what triggered it they might come back actually better if its an emotional baggage type situation

my last manic adventure rewired my whole brain it seems like and i've never felt better since, only downside was maxing out credit cards n shit lol

Glad to hear you came back on your own. Hopefully she will too.

[Reiwa]

Anti-psychotics are all well and good but can never cure a spiritual sickness.

My German friend, could it be said that the Americans are currently experiencing a Sauberung as a sensible statement in your language?

[SorenVC]

Anti-psychotics are all well and good but can never cure a spiritual sickness.

My German friend, could it be said that the Americans are currently experiencing a Sauberung as a sensible statement in your language?

No.

Just tell me why I wake up with a headache, do anything with a headache and go to sleep with a headache and repeat when I was using Olanzapine. No matter the amount. I didn't take Olanzapine yesterday on 9/11. What a remarkable date to stop this drug use. And I didn't fall asleep.

Guess I will stay awake every night now for 1 or 2 months. Then it should get better. If I die, I die. But I certainly won't kill myself. Never. The headache was worse than no sleep. I only wonder when I will get back the ability to sleep.

Also while staying awake at 00:00 or so I experienced some heavy blood flow or something like this in my brain. Maybe my brain is rebuilding and healing what Olanzapine destroyed and it will be that for a month until I can sleep on my own again.

What do you mean as Sauberung though? And why the Americans? In politics, everything is staged everywhere. I will never go to vote ever again and I stopped voting.

[SorenVC]

Säuberung in my language means as you used it, that weak naive people in a population get killed while the strong survive. I never believed in such a thing to be honest.

[Reiwa]

No.

Just tell me why I wake up with a headache, do anything with a headache and go to sleep with a headache and repeat when I was using Olanzapine. No matter the amount. I didn't take Olanzapine yesterday on 9/11. What a remarkable date to stop this drug use. And I didn't fall asleep.

Guess I will stay awake every night now for 1 or 2 months. Then it should get better. If I die, I die. But I certainly won't kill myself. Never. The headache was worse than no sleep. I only wonder when I will get back the ability to sleep.

Also while staying awake at 00:00 or so I experienced some heavy blood flow or something like this in my brain. Maybe my brain is rebuilding and healing what Olanzapine destroyed and it will be that for a month until I can sleep on my own again.

What do you mean as Sauberung though? And why the Americans? In politics, everything is staged everywhere. I will never go to vote ever again and I stopped voting.

The headaches are from taking your medicine intermittently and bad advice from the former Queen of Pop.

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It still can't cure the spiritual sickness within us.

[Ekco]

It still can't cure the spiritual sickness within us.

"If you want to believe in something, then believe in it. Just because something isn’t true, that’s no reason you can’t believe in it… Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a [person] needs to believe in the most.”

[SorenVC]

You do you, but I didn't mean "give up on society's expectations of you". You should absolutely do that (although I can't imagine you'll find happiness and fulfillment as a hermit)

I meant don't give up on yourself or on sanity.

Olanzapine taught me to live like a hermit in the first place. Constant headache everyday and eye strain. Even though Olanzapine put me to sleep at night, I wake up with a headache that lasts 24/7 and I have no motivation to do anything. I didn't even want to play videogames anymore.

Before Olanzapine I could play 3 days straight from morning to night and go to bed and sleep. Now everything hurts. I just searched on the internet, it looks like my withdrawal will become better after two or three weeks. See you until then because I'm not planning to go back on Olanzapine even if I have to lay in bed all day.

This daily headache for the rest of my life.. it is too much for me. Better take the risk and get no sleep for two or three weeks and then be free from this "medication".

[Reiwa]

Olanzapine taught me to live like a hermit in the first place. Constant headache everyday and eye strain. Even though Olanzapine put me to sleep at night, I wake up with a headache that lasts 24/7 and I have no motivation to do anything. I didn't even want to play videogames anymore.

Before Olanzapine I could play 3 days straight from morning to night and go to bed and sleep. Now everything hurts. I just searched on the internet, it looks like my withdrawal will become better after two or three weeks. See you until then because I'm not planning to go back on Olanzapine even if I have to lay in bed all day.

This daily headache for the rest of my life.. it is too much for me. Better take the risk and get no sleep for two or three weeks and then be free from this "medication".

Do you fancy you can hold your liquor?

[SorenVC]

The headaches are from taking your medicine intermittently and bad advice from the former Queen of Pop.

Intermittently huh? Wow another new English word learned. You can google search yourself "olanzapine withdrawal reddit" or "olanzapine reviews" and go to drugs.com reviews on Olanzapine for the latter search term and see many people who feel sick on this drug.

I took it for 12 years like a good boy and I thought if I just accept what I'm told and listen, I could get away with little or no pain. Then I realized I never believed in mental health and definitely not that sketchy word called schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia and other mental illness terms is just a word to gaslight the victim so that he will say he is sick and needs those drugs for the rest of his life. Noone will ever believe a schizophrenic or a bank robber or a criminal. These words are of the same effect on people. I don't really believe in schizophrenia or depression or schizoid. I think they want to drug these people for their help fetish.

Think of all the lives Olanzapine destroyed. Man even the suicide rate goes up for Olanzapine users. I thought it was a drug to prevent suicide and harm?

[SorenVC]

Do you fancy you can hold your liquor?

What do you mean?

[SorenVC]

Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna suffer the withdrawal of Olanzapine for a few weeks then everything should become better. It IS a drug with withdrawal that is normal. And I'm gonna avoid other people and never harm anyone. I'm gonna pretend I feel good around paranoid people who think I'm not taking drugs. And then let's see if I can surpass this medication limitation forced on me when I was 16 years old.

[Jimjam]

What biological basis or systems there maybe to mental health issues are not really understood at all, we’re pretty much limited to “idk, something to do with dopamine/serotonin”, even though the activity of these inside the brain can’t really be measured easily. Likewise the medications are poorly understood beyond “they seem to help some people with a particular pattern of symptoms”. This is before considering the validity of DSM V diagnosis, which guides diagnosis around much of the world (not just America). The same pattern of symptoms can receive completely different diagnosis, and furthermore two people with the same diagnosis may not even share any of the same symptoms. This raises the questions of whether different diagnosis are actually yet also whether a single diagnosis is consistent.

Despite poor evidence for biological basis, dsm style diagnosis does little to consider the life circumstances, events and history of an individual with some researchers suggesting the overlap between schizophrenia and child ptsd is due to the fact that most schizophrenia is undiagnosed untreated cptsd (with proper treatment being primarily therapy, counselling and similar interventions rather than heavy medication).

All that said, psychiatric diagnosis may be the best tool currently available for labelling and organising patients for treatment if nothing else due to bureaucratic and social inertia, and some patients reporting medication helping them manage their symptoms.

Based on your difficulties with medication, and your difficulty having your lived experience recognised, have you considered requesting a referral for some kind of counselling? Whether that be to resolve current life circumstances or examine your life story in a supportive context?

[SorenVC]

What biological basis or systems there maybe to mental health issues are not really understood at all, we’re pretty much limited to “idk, something to do with dopamine/serotonin”, even though the activity of these inside the brain can’t really be measured easily. Likewise the medications are poorly understood beyond “they seem to help some people with a particular pattern of symptoms”. This is before considering the validity of DSM V diagnosis, which guides diagnosis around much of the world (not just America). The same pattern of symptoms can receive completely different diagnosis, and furthermore two people with the same diagnosis may not even share any of the same symptoms. This raises the questions of whether different diagnosis are actually yet also whether a single diagnosis is consistent.

Despite poor evidence for biological basis, dsm style diagnosis does little to consider the life circumstances, events and history of an individual with some researchers suggesting the overlap between schizophrenia and child ptsd is due to the fact that most schizophrenia is undiagnosed untreated cptsd (with proper treatment being primarily therapy, counselling and similar interventions rather than heavy medication).

All that said, psychiatric diagnosis may be the best tool currently available for labelling and organising patients for treatment if nothing else due to bureaucratic and social inertia, and some patients reporting medication helping them manage their symptoms.

Based on your difficulties with medication, and your difficulty having your lived experience recognised, have you considered requesting a referral for some kind of counselling? Whether that be to resolve current life circumstances or examine your life story in a supportive context?

I agree with what you said and I think they should STOP WITH THE DRUGS! Therapy would have been so much better, and yes I agree, schizophrenia is untreated cptsd, what else would it be... But I think at this point we should completely get rid of psychiatrists and therapists and only have real psychologists who can show compassion and talk with the victim without ever giving them any drugs.

[SorenVC]

You know how much better a nice talk with a pretty woman psychologist would have been for me when I was 16... And maybe a little time off school... But I had to be put on 25 mg Olanzapine almost in the beginning without trying any other method, even though I never hurt anyone except myself by becoming underweight and having a constant dry mouth. I had a lot of nervousness and anxiety.

[Reiwa]

Intermittently huh?

I took it for 12 years like a good boy

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[SorenVC]

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I am taking this drug for 12 years since I was 16.

I tried 4 times to quit cold-turkey in the past 2 or 3 years. It didn't work. But only because I had a job and I went to the doctor crying who sent me to a mental hospital again so that I was put on 7.5 mg Olanzapine once more. But the headaches they keep returning and returning.

Why do you think did I try to stop the medication the first time? If Olanzapine was all fun and roses to me, do you not think that I would just keep taking it? But here we are, my body is saying this stuff is no good, so this time, while I don't have a job and nothing to lose, I will cold turkey it off the 5th time and act natural until the effect of withdrawal wears off and I start to heal from the pain that Olanzapine caused.

Seriously though, anti-psychotics are not like anti-depressants. I came off sertraline no problems no difference. But this olanzapine is much different. You can just type in "Olanzapine reddit" and read some comments, I am not alone with an awful experience. Or go here and read some reviews. Pick any illness.

https://www.drugs.com/comments/olanzapine/

It is a drug like heroin or cocaine. Do you not think I will get withdrawal symptoms from quitting this? The slow taper, where do I get 2.5 mg Olanzapine right now. Where then do I get 1.125 mg Olanzapine and so on. I don't have nerves of steel. Enough is enough.

[loramin]

You know how much better a nice talk with a pretty woman psychologist would have been for me when I was 16... And maybe a little time off school... But I had to be put on 25 mg Olanzapine almost in the beginning without trying any other method, even though I never hurt anyone except myself by becoming underweight and having a constant dry mouth. I had a lot of nervousness and anxiety.

OP, you know what the right answer is, deep down, and no external factors will change that. Choose it, or don't, but remember: every choice you make is a vote for the kind of person you want to be.

[SorenVC]

OP, you know what the right answer is, deep down, and no external factors will change that. Choose it, or don't, but remember: every choice you make is a vote for the kind of person you want to be.

I have a question now. So I stopped taking Olanzapine yesterday on 9/11 and I suffered and also had like 1 hour where I felt really really good. So good it was better than in a very long time probably before I ever started Olanzapine.

Now help me out here. I read that the withdrawal symptoms disappear after two to three weeks, it depends but noone knows for sure.

Should I pray to God and remain strong and steadfast and endure the pain until my body heals from the damage and addiction of Olanzapine?

Or should I give up and give in to the pain and take 10 mg Olanzapine so the pain disappears and then after two or three weeks I have a constant headache again among other problems.

I tried to pray for God and ask him, but he never answered me. Which is why I don't believe in God anymore. Can you tell me what is the better choice since I have free will or something?

For me right now it looks 50/50 cause I don't want to stay on drugs all my life and I rather prefer to be drug free and get back that feeling I had for like 20 or 30 minutes today, no anxiety, and no pain. For some reason it comes and goes right now. Must be my nervous system.

[loramin]

OP, you know what the right answer is, deep down, and no external factors will change that. Choose it, or don't, but remember: every choice you make is a vote for the kind of person you want to be.

[SorenVC]

I'm cold turkeying off 5 mg that I took for three weeks and before that I took 7.5 mg for an eternity. What should I do loramin or anyone else?

In the Bible it is written be strong and courageous and believe in your free will. He who endures to the end shall be saved! So this is why I think I should endure the pain until my body adapts to zero Olanzapine.

Or should I give in to the pain and start taking this "medicine" again and after a few weeks be at the same point I was with constant headaches and everything. I think I'd rather take my chances with the cold-turkey. Or what do you think?

[SorenVC]

After all my mind seems to be working fine right now. Isn't that good enough? I feel pain and lack of sleep. But I read after two to three weeks it goes away.

[shovelquest]

He who endures to the end shall be saved!

aye men!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlYC-8Lj1oM&t=5824s

[SorenVC]

aye men!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlYC-8Lj1oM&t=5824s

Except does it mean for me:

1 endure the withdrawal to the end so you will be saved from Olanzapine.
2 endure Olanzapine for all your life and live with the "side" effects and die and you will be saved.

What is the thing here guys? That's why I never liked those unspecific but important bible texts. You could never really apply them to your own life. It just sounds good.

[loramin]

Sanity can be incredibly hard to get back once you've lost it.

[SorenVC]

I must say. This is no pic nic to cold turkey any olanzapine amount. I feel painful right now. But it also feels like I can endure it. And it also feels like I am more in control of my thoughts and my body. I like this feeling. No wonder they call it the zombie drug. I don't know how the other anti psychotics are, but I heard olanzapine withdrawal is worse than heroin withdrawal. It's a review comment on drugs.com

I will be quiet in this thread now. Until I either give up and take the med again or until I'm victorious with the cold turkey.

[Jimjam]

You’ve made your decision. I wish you the best fortune.

[SorenVC]

I had to take the pill yesterday. My eyes hurt because I couldn't sleep without the pill. Cold turkey doesn't work. I don't even know if a slow taper will work.

[SorenVC]

The insomnia is too strong on cold turkey. I can only get off this with a slow taper.

[SorenVC]

I even doubt if a slow taper professionally would work for me. I guess I am supposed to take Olanzapine all my life then.

[SorenVC]

There is NO WAY I will ever try to cold turkey off this medicine again. I just wonder if I will have problems with it when I'm 60 or 70 years old but I guess it does work taking the drug. The headaches are probably not constant and sometimes I feel ok on this medication. So in summary do never cold turkey off anti psychotics except if you only took them for 1 or 2 months.

[SorenVC]

Without Olanzapine I'd just die from insomnia.

[Ekco]

yeah apparently you aren't suppose to stop cold turkey dawg

Abruptly stopping olanzapine can cause severe withdrawal symptoms, including rebound psychosis, severe anxiety, and intense insomnia.

Experts recommend a gradual reduction over a period of months or even years, especially if you have been on the medication for a long time.

[SorenVC]

yeah apparently you aren't suppose to stop cold turkey dawg

Well I take 10 mg yesterday and today I feel much better. I just tried if I could stop it but I can't sleep at all. 2 weeks or so without sleep would probably kill me. I am completely dependent on this medicine.

[loramin]

Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better. Don't despair: talk to your healthcare provider about alternative drugs and other treatments (not just medical ones). If they won't help, find a new healthcare provider ... but don't stop fighting for yourself.

[Jimjam]

The good news with the capitalist drug system is patents wear out after a while, so the manufacturers are continuously “researching” “new and improved” drugs, so likely there will be new medication in the future (isn’t it around a 20 year cycle?).

[loramin]

The good news with the capitalist drug system is patents wear out after a while, so the manufacturers are continuously “researching” “new and improved” drugs, so likely there will be new medication in the future (isn’t it around a 20 year cycle?).

Yes, and hopefully even faster than that! AI will (potentially) speed up a lot of research, while new fields like personalized medicine (using your DNA to tailor treatment) might completely overhaul how some illnesses are treated.

[shovelquest]

The good news with the capitalist drug system is patents wear out after a while, so the manufacturers are continuously “researching” “new and improved” drugs, so likely there will be new medication in the future (isn’t it around a 20 year cycle?).

I wish I could still get valium.

I hate how like I can't do things because other people have problems.

[Ephirith]

I wish I could still get valium.

I hate how like I can't do things because other people have problems.

Trust me they're doing you a favor, benzo addiction is gnarly, and the road to addiction is littered with "Heh, it happened to those plebs, but I can control it" types.

[shovelquest]

I am not in danger of that, and I'm tired of living in fear that I would be just because weak people are.

[Ephirith]

I am not in danger of that, and I'm tired of living in fear that I would be just because weak people are.

God bless ;) Wish you luck on your search

[Cecily]

I could quit smoking any time I wanted to. Did it for years. Benzo addiction... benzo addiction is kinda neat.

[shovelquest]

God bless ;) Wish you luck on your search

Bro, I've been taking valium by doctors prescription since the 1980s, meaning, I have asked for it, and gotten it like 5 times in the last 40 years.

I also have 6 hydrocodone sitting in a bottle on my desk from back surgery like a year ago.

I have made great sacrifices in my life and freedoms to protect people like you.

And I don't want your thanks because none of you all have ever given it once.

[Ephirith]

Bro, I've been taking valium by doctors prescription since the 1980s, meaning, I have asked for it, and gotten it like 5 times in the last 40 years.

I also have 6 hydrocodone sitting in a bottle on my desk from back surgery like a year ago.

I have made great sacrifices in my life and freedoms to protect people like you.

And I don't want your thanks because none of you all have ever given it once.

Sorry bud I'm not gonna take the bait and shit up soren's fine thread about psych meds with puerile tribal bullshit. I hope you get your valiums tho

p.s. klonopin >>>>>>> valium, you're welcome

[shovelquest]

I hope you get your valiums tho

Thanks. See, is that so hard? :o

[Cecily]

Thanks. See, is that so hard? :o

I, too, hope you get properly medicated.

[shovelquest]

Thanks, you too.

https://i.imgur.com/1oUNnVj.png

[Ekco]

lol.

[Tann]

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