What is humility and why is it good?

[SorenVC]

Hey I got a question which has been on my mind. Now you are probably not all religious but I would bet a few of you are. So in Christianity being humble is good and humility is the biggest virtue since its counterpart pride is the biggest vice or sin. It is the deadliest sin, pride.

I just don't really understand what humility is. For example, if one works out everyday to become fit and strong and good looking or if one tries to find ways to earn a lot of money, maybe even in criminal ways, and then gets the money or the strength, just to get more women to be interested in him and gets it done.

While the humble person gives up and stays humble, doesn't even workout because he doesn't want to impress anyone, and doesn't find ways to start a business or earn money, so he will also have less chances with women or none at all, because he isn't looking for a wife. If THAT'S not humility then what is? Isn't the prideful egotistic person better off in this world? I'm looking at Logan Paul and Andrew Tate here. They may get sued and Prime will fall, but even then they're still rich. Are they not better off in this world than the humble person?

Or I'm making a big stretch here, but doesn't everyone just workout to be good looking towards females? That was always the only reason I worked out, otherwise I gave up. I can be healthy and not workout at all but I'll definitely look better if I do workout. Is that not prideful? Or how can I workout and be humble? How can I search for richness and beauty and still be humble? What is it like to be humble?

Now in my opinion all the other virtues or sins are pretty self-explanatory but this pride/humility thing, I just don't get it. If you stay humble all your life, will you not end up lonely and uninterested in anything? I never really cared to start a business I thought it was way too much work, I'd rather have the 9-5 job. And with workout I stopped doing it because it felt like chasing wind, but recently I started working out again. But it IS just to impress women for me. There is no other reason I workout. That's probably why most old people don't workout anymore because they're married or won't have sex anymore.

I just don't understand why humility is better for you. Is it? Cause all those egotistical prideful people are doing a lot better, even some scammers are doing better, definitely better than the person they just scammed. Can someone explain to me what I can do to be more humble and what humility is?

Or if you want to become rich and you start a business and "work hard" as those rich entrepreneurs call it, is that not pride too? Is being humble NOT just working at a 9-5 and never trying to be an entrepreneur? Aren't all those rich entrepreneurs prideful as fuck? It just looks like that to me. Maybe I'm not getting something here, can you help me understand this better?

Or if you are in a war why shouldn't you just go on the battlefield and let yourself be killed. Turn the other cheek, or SOMETHING. Is that not pure humility? Why should you have the right to kill them and be prideful about it? How can you be humble in this world when everything teaches you to chase after money, sex, health and blah blah. HOW would a humble god pleasing person behave in this world? That's what I want to know!

[loramin]

Didn't we just have a thread about this not too long ago? The whole Christian ideal of humbleness being a virtue and pride being a sin is directly connected to their religion: it's not jus "pride" and "humility" in the English sense of the word.

In other words, in the Christian Mythos, it's not about being humble before other humans, it's about being humble before God (and recognizing one's limits as a mortal being).

[SorenVC]

Didn't we just have a thread about this not too long ago? The whole Christian ideal of humbleness being a virtue and pride being a sin is directly connected to their religion: it's not jus "pride" and "humility" in the English sense of the word.

In other words, in the Christian Mythos, it's not about being humble before other humans, it's about being humble before God (and recognizing one's limits as a mortal being).

I may have posted a similar title before but your answers were not pleasant or we wandered off to some other topic. Otherwise I would remember what you all have said. :D

[SorenVC]

Didn't we just have a thread about this not too long ago? The whole Christian ideal of humbleness being a virtue and pride being a sin is directly connected to their religion: it's not jus "pride" and "humility" in the English sense of the word.

In other words, in the Christian Mythos, it's not about being humble before other humans, it's about being humble before God (and recognizing one's limits as a mortal being).

Nowhere is it written that being humble towards God is good but being humble towards humans is NOT good. Humility is regarded as a virtue in all things. And I just want an explanation of what exactly that humility is and how it works. Cause I wrote in my post above what it looks like and I don't get it.

[SorenVC]

OR in VERY EASY simple words. Why should a God pleasing person ever want to become an entrepreneur or rich? A god pleasing person would rather donate all the money away and never try to become rich through work.

Why not just stay humble and work a normal 9-5 job all your life? Why not stay humble and never marry at all? Why even care about any of these things: money, sex? Health is different I guess because it is the temple of God and he wants you to have a healthy body. But money never had anything to do with God surely.

[loramin]

OR in VERY EASY simple words. Why should a God pleasing person ever want to become an entrepreneur or rich? A god pleasing person would rather donate all the money away and never try to become rich through work.

Why not just stay humble and work a normal 9-5 job all your life? Why not stay humble and never marry at all? Why even care about any of these things: money, sex? Health is different I guess because it is the temple of God and he wants you to have a healthy body. But money never had anything to do with God surely.

Have you actually read the bible? NOTHING Jesus said is in any way supportive of owning anything other than your own home and enough food to eat (let alone a company!). If you're a true Christian, owning everything that would have been considered "rich" around 0 A.D. means you're going to hell (there's that famous bible quote about it's harder for them to get into heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle).

By the literal definition of Christ's words, 99.9% of Christians on this planet are going to hell ... but the Christian faith is more than Christ's literal word.

[SorenVC]

Have you actually read the bible? NOTHING Jesus said is in any way supportive of owning anything other than your own home and enough food to eat (let alone a company!). If you're a true Christian, owning everything that would have been considered "rich" around 0 A.D. means you're going to hell (there's that famous bible quote about it's harder for them to get into heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle).

By the literal definition of Christ's words, 99.9% of Christians on this planet are going to hell ... but the Christian faith is more than Christ's literal word.

I've read the entire New King James Version Bible. And I started reading it again from start because I bought a 275 pound NKJV Bible Black Goatskin Leather from Cambridge. IRONIC isn't it? Yes, it seems riches are bad for God. But why then are all these people striving towards wealth? If we all work 9-5 and don't spend the money then it's just gonna sit in the bank balance so we are enticed to spend it for ourselves, aren't we?

If we didn't spend it on fancy clothes and cars, then the companies would just built cheaper stuff that everyone can buy and everyone would wear similar or the same clothes and drive the same cars because everyone would have the same income. Isn't he right though? Do we really need all this wealth and rich stuff? I think not. But I see no solution. The only thing I can do is let the money sit in my bank account and not buy fancy things, but that's even more evil because then I will keep all the money for myself and never give it to others...

Jesus is asking us to donate all our money and keep the most minimum and live a humble simple life. I agree with him, that's why I'm such an awesome spender and can't control my money spendings. xD I could donate it too I guess and I've been thinking about it. But then I'd get hate from my parents. Or would I? Does Jesus really want me to donate all my money and give it to the poor? I never thought about this. Does he?

[Ekco]

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[SorenVC]

It always sounded like rich people can't go to heaven because heaven is a state of mind they can not achieve because they are always striving for more riches. Maybe a literal heaven isn't real? Or do you think the spiritual world / heaven is where we go when we are dead? It might be true. But that doesn't answer the question of what I'm supposed to do with my money. I got about 9k euros in the bank right now. What am I supposed to do with it?

[Reiwa]

By the literal definition of Christ's words, 99.9% of Christians on this planet are going to hell ... but the Christian faith is more than Christ's literal word.

The ransom was paid and always will be paid for those who believe in Him.

[SorenVC]

The ransom was paid and always will be paid for those who believe in Him.

But who believes in him? I can say I believe in Jesus Christ. Now I don't anymore. But now I do. It is like flipping a switch in your mind or what? I always thought God would see into your heart if you have good intentions or not, if you are good or evil and then he would decide if you go heaven or hell. But now this hell thing just looks made up as hell and it also looks like the rich people got richer and richer and kept being rich and now just rule the world at this point. And they will never lose their wealth.

And what decides if someone is rich? I am a very average income worker in Germany and my parents would say I need to save money (even though I have everything) and compared to a Steam friend in Russia or to some Indian I am indeed very rich, am I not? I think if you are rich or poor, you can still be pleasing God. So money's got nothing to do with God in my opinion.

I just wonder what this humility is because since it's the biggest virtue and the opposite of pride, then that is what God wants from you, to be humble at all times.

[Reiwa]

But who believes in him? I can say I believe in Jesus Christ. Now I don't anymore. But now I do. It is like flipping a switch in your mind or what? I always thought God would see into your heart if you have good intentions or not, if you are good or evil and then he would decide if you go heaven or hell. But now this hell thing just looks made up as hell and it also looks like the rich people got richer and richer and kept being rich and now just rule the world at this point. And they will never lose their wealth.

And what decides if someone is rich? I am a very average income worker in Germany and my parents would say I need to save money (even though I have everything) and compared to a Steam friend in Russia or to some Indian I am indeed very rich, am I not? I think if you are rich or poor, you can still be pleasing God. So money's got nothing to do with God in my opinion.

I just wonder what this humility is because since it's the biggest virtue and the opposite of pride, then that is what God wants from you, to be humble at all times.

Speculating on who is or isn't going to hell is a manifestation of pride. Wish them well and leave that up to God and try to be good in your own right.

[SorenVC]

Speculating on who is or isn't going to hell is a manifestation of pride. Wish them well and leave that up to God and try to be good in your own right.

Ok and how can I be humble and God pleasing? What must I do?

[shovelquest]

Ok and how can I be humble and God pleasing? What must I do?

Accept Jesus. Done.

[Ekco]

Or just accept jesus,

i'll accept him back into my heart when his dad who is also him, sends me a flaming sword or starts drowning mother fuckers again.

either or

[SorenVC]

i'll accept him back into my heart when his dad who is also him, sends me a flaming sword or starts drowning mother fuckers again.

either or

Exactly man... I feel like there's humans who've never heard of Jesus or the Bible. What's with them? This accept Jesus thing is ridiculous. Y'all can't convince me he was a real person. Imo Jesus Christ is as real as the Adam & Eva story. But just out of fear of hell I will accept Jesus now. Whatever that does for me...

[red_demonman]

Have you actually read the bible? NOTHING Jesus said is in any way supportive of owning anything other than your own home and enough food to eat (let alone a company!). If you're a true Christian, owning everything that would have been considered "rich" around 0 A.D. means you're going to hell (there's that famous bible quote about it's harder for them to get into heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle).

By the literal definition of Christ's words, 99.9% of Christians on this planet are going to hell ... but the Christian faith is more than Christ's literal word.

That is certainly one interpretation, but is not accurate at all when given in context. The surrounding verses explain very plainly what it means, From Mark 10 (NKJV):

23 Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is [b]for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

The emphasis here is on trusting in riches and not trusting in God. Wealth in and of itself was not the sin but there is a recognition that with great riches there is a tendency to trust in your own accomplishments and wealth than to trust in God, which is sin.

Additionally in the New Testament there are wealthy believers that maintain wealth and use it toward the Kingdom, such as Lydia. She hosted others and used her wealth but the emphasis was not on living as a beggar. She was the definition of a wealthy businesswoman. She used her resources for good but there is not evidence that she threw away her business.

There are plenty of other examples also in the New Testament of wealth where people were prideful with their wealth, and it did not end well for those individuals (see Annanias and Sapphira).

Thanks for coming to my bible study on an elf forum.

[SorenVC]

That is certainly one interpretation, but is not accurate at all when given in context. The surrounding verses explain very plainly what it means, From Mark 10 (NKJV):

23 Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is [b]for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

The emphasis here is on trusting in riches and not trusting in God. Wealth in and of itself was not the sin but there is a recognition that with great riches there is a tendency to trust in your own accomplishments and wealth than to trust in God, which is sin.

Additionally in the New Testament there are wealthy believers that maintain wealth and use it toward the Kingdom, such as Lydia. She hosted others and used her wealth but the emphasis was not on living as a beggar. She was the definition of a wealthy businesswoman. She used her resources for good but there is not evidence that she threw away her business.

There are plenty of other examples also in the New Testament of wealth where people were prideful with their wealth, and it did not end well for those individuals (see Annanias and Sapphira).

Thanks for coming to my bible study on an elf forum.

While Logan Paul is getting sued and losing Prime and while Andrew Tate is getting sued as well, it still does end well for them. They will keep a part of their wealth and never need to work again. Is God really going to judge these people? I don't really care but I wonder what I can do in my life to be more pleasing to God.

I never really cared for getting rich and was happy with what the 9-5 job gave me. I never really cared for entrepreneurship or stuff like that. But these two just scammed people to get rich. And I got scammed too last year so I know how it feels. But I don't care because God will judge everyone accordingly.

So what can I do to be more God pleasing? Am I doing something wrong with my life?

[shovelquest]

Wwhat Jesus says about wealth and possessions isn’t framed as rules for earthly survival. Its preparation for life in the kingdom of heaven.

When he tells the rich man to sell everything or urges people not to worry about tomorrow, he’s describing what life looks like under God’s reign, not necessarily how to navigate the economy or politics.

When he says the meek will inherit the earth, he doesn't mean homeless people. He means humble people. It don't matter if they have money or do, he means anyone who entrusts themselves to gods justice instead of forcing their way with violence, wealth, or political power.

Make your way, do as you will, but be kind and humble and accept that you are a servant of god (jesus) and you're gucci.

[SorenVC]

Wwhat Jesus says about wealth and possessions isn’t framed as rules for earthly survival. Its preparation for life in the kingdom of heaven.

When he tells the rich man to sell everything or urges people not to worry about tomorrow, he’s describing what life looks like under God’s reign, not necessarily how to navigate the economy or politics.

When he says the meek will inherit the earth, he doesn't mean homeless people. He means humble people. It don't matter if they have money or do, he means anyone who entrusts themselves to gods justice instead of forcing their way with violence, wealth, or political power.

And again it is there, the "humble" people. As from the "lizard" people I know that they are politcians and have Jewish surnames like -stein or something. But from the "humble" people I know NOTHING, which is why I asked this question. Who are the HUMBLE people?

[shovelquest]

But from the "humble" people I know NOTHING, which is why I asked this question. Who are the HUMBLE people?

anyone who entrusts themselves to gods justice instead of forcing their way with violence, wealth, or political power.

When they feed you to the lions, let them eat you.

When they kill 6 million of your brothers and sisters, let them kill 6 million.

Do you see how that has made these 2 groups the most powerful influencers on earth?

There's something that should be said about that.

[SorenVC]

Well if I do that (entrust myself to God's justice) in Far Cry of Half-Life or EverQuest I'll just be turned into minced meat. Which is why I have confusion about this humility. Is it just magic?

[SorenVC]

What about the stalkers in Half-Life 2. Are they not pure humility? They entrusted themselves to the Combine which is like the law, and the law is run by God. Yet he made them into that. How can Gordon Freeman wreck everything in his path and come out successful. Is he humble?

[shovelquest]

if you can't see the difference between a stalker monster in a video game, and say a christian being fed to the lions or a non violent jew being starved in a concentration camp then you may as well just keep being you and let god sort it out.

[SorenVC]

if you can't see the difference between a stalker monster in a video game, and say a christian being fed to the lions or a non violent jew being starved in a concentration camp then you may as well just keep being you and let god sort it out.

The stalkers in Half-Life 2 are clearly inspired by what you just said.

[shovelquest]

I honestly dont know what they are, but if they are not trying to just raise a family without bothering anyone they probably are not a good role model.

[SorenVC]

I honestly dont know what they are, but if they are not trying to just raise a family without bothering anyone they probably are not a good role model.

You are very discreet. May I ask, what's the point of creating anything let alone have sex when everything dies in the end?

[shovelquest]

You are very discreet. May I ask, what's the point of creating anything let alone have sex when everything dies in the end?

Because this short time we have in this universe of entropy is worth it, because in the other one we don't know beginnings or ends and therefore can't comprehend happy or sad.

That's what I reckon at least.

[SorenVC]

Because this short time we have in this universe of entropy is worth it, because in the other one we don't know beginnings or ends and therefore can't comprehend happy or sad.

That's what I reckon at least.

Oh so you're the smart intelligent strong guy who can marry someone and have sex and produce many children and provide for them. You're so humble that you don't even want anyone else to do the same? We are the virgin weaklings who just play games all their lives and waste away working low payment jobs. You are so good man. I am happy for you!

So what is humility again?

[SorenVC]

That's why I asked the question. Isn't taking CONTROL and chasing after anything a form of pride? Why wouldn't you just remain humble and believe in God's plans for you? shovelquest exposed himself as a free will or "do as thou willt" believer. Isn't that what he said? In my opinion it is, judging by his previous post. Isn't that pride?

Not trying to offend you shovelquest, I'm just stating my problem with humility and pride.

[SorenVC]

double post accident.

[SorenVC]

I mean shovel just basically said since our time here is so short, we ought to use our free will to make the best of it. Isn't that pure pride? I have a free will so I'm going to do what I want. Rather than being humble and letting God take all the control.

[shovelquest]

Oh so you're the smart intelligent strong guy who can marry someone and have sex and produce many children and provide for them. You're so humble that you don't even want anyone else to do the same? We are the virgin weaklings who just play games all their lives and waste away working low payment jobs. You are so good man. I am happy for you!

So what is humility again?

Idk.

when I look at earth and every faction, I think Mennonites seem to have it figured out.

They have air conditioning, but don't get all lost screaming at each other about bullshit.

[SorenVC]

I made this post because I felt in every videogame it forces or wants you to take ACTION. Use your own agency. But when you do that you will someday be put in a high place and rule over others, become rich or something. So this is why I don't understand what humility is. Aren't all the homeless people, at least the genuine homeless ones, more humble than the common people, since they don't own anything?

Doesn't the government plan for centuries to make us own nothing? You will own nothing and be happy. That was the vision of Valve for Half-Life 2. They expected a power to take control over all governments and give a dominating one world government, hence the Combine Universal Union.

It seems like this is about to take place but only in the future. It is far too early for it now in my opinion, but I believe it will happen. I just don't understand what humility is. I don't get it. It seems everything like working out to become strong, eating the right foods to remain healthy, striving for more wealth and power, looking for a wife, isn't all of this a form of controlling your environment thus being prideful about your own agency whereas humility is the opposite in going with the flow or releasing your entire grip of control and leaving things to God?

I just don't get how humility works or how I can apply it in life. If I'm being hit and struck down, am I supposed to just take it? Because that's the definition of humility turning the other cheek.

[SorenVC]

Starting to sound like a crazy mind right now but it is late and I should go to sleep. See ya tomorrow!

[Reiwa]

If you want peace, you'll find it.

If you want war, it will find you.

Good luck.

[shovelquest]

I just don't get how humility works or how I can apply it in life. If I'm being hit and struck down, am I supposed to just take it? Because that's the definition of humility turning the other cheek.

At the very least you should not pay that forward.

Overall jesus says to meet violence against you with a shocking kind of surrender that exposes the aggressor’s injustice.

IMO I almost think that means that if you parish in an act of non resistance, you're actually a soldier in a much larger war against evil.

Like, Satan would have you believe you're a chump and a bitch, while god would have you believe that you are part of one whole that leads by example.

And that's why I pick the whole, because it's example is the better version of humanity.

Some people like to make jokes like, "If oyu need god to keep you from doing bad things then you are a bad person."

Yes. Yes I am a VERY bad person. A lot of people should be thankful I have god preventing me from acting out.

But as I said before, jesus is preparing us for life in a different universe. So I am trying to learn here. And yall is lucky I want to pass the test.

Without god I would absolutly devote my life to building a gigantic roman themed super earth.

[SorenVC]

At the very least you should not pay that forward.

Overall jesus says to meet violence against you with a shocking kind of surrender that exposes the aggressor’s injustice.

IMO I almost think that means that if you parish in an act of non resistance, you're actually a soldier in a much larger war against evil.

Like, Satan would have you believe you're a chump and a bitch, while god would have you believe that you are part of one whole that leads by example.

And that's why I pick the whole, because it's example is the better version of humanity.

Some people like to make jokes like, "If oyu need god to keep you from doing bad things then you are a bad person."

Yes. Yes I am a VERY bad person. A lot of people should be thankful I have god preventing me from acting out.

But as I said before, jesus is preparing us for life in a different universe. So I am trying to learn here. And yall is lucky I want to pass the test.

Without god I would absolutly devote my life to building a gigantic roman themed super earth.

Ahh I get it now. Well, I hope I will never come back to this earth once I'm dead.

[shovelquest]

Ahh I get it now. Well, I hope I will never come back to this earth once I'm dead.

Yeah and idk this is just how I gaslight myself to being a good member of society.

[Lampolo]

Humility would be someone who could be in good shape and beautiful but not think they’re better than a fat person. They might think of a sin of their own and have empathy for the fatty who must wear their sin.

I’m not sure which saint said it, but it was something like “Humility is the greatest virtue cause it’s the only virtue that can’t lead to sin. Virtues like charity or fasting and others could lead to pride.” Humility is part of other virtues like grace or patience. Pride can lead to other sins like anger or gossip. Humility is healthy for relationships and is appreciated by any mature person.

Exercise requires discipline. Wealth usually does too. Discipline is a virtue. Health and wealth are good, but it would be difficult to be rich without pride. Ecclesiastes says something about enjoying the fruit of your labor. You could be more charitable if you had more wealth. All those Israelites from the Old Testament and Solomon had major wealth.

Belief can be subjective. It’s not binary but gradient. If it’s bothering you that belief alone is the determining factor for salvation, don’t worry, that’s a Protestant thing. It’s called faith alone or sola fide. Catholic and Orthodox consider this heresy.

Turning the cheek may be more applicable to someone who is angry with you or insults you or belittles you. Especially a loved one. If someone is going to hurt you, or steal your stuff, or hurt innocent, you would be obligated to defend yourself or them as a Christian for the sake of good and to not be a coward.

[Ekco]

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i'm over here trying to manifest an extinction level event reading y'alls religious discussion

[Reiwa]

Belief can be subjective. It’s not binary but gradient. If it’s bothering you that belief alone is the determining factor for salvation, don’t worry, that’s a Protestant thing. It’s called faith alone or sola fide. Catholic and Orthodox consider this heresy.

Initial salvation is through faith alone.

Move thread to starting zone.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/ukx8Z1r.jpeg

i'm over here trying to manifest an extinction level event reading y'alls religious discussion

What. You don't want to be a Mennonite? :p

[Ekco]

i bought a DnD dice box from a mennonite A+ craftsmanship

i haven't looked into the details but i don't think i'm compatibility with that playstyle

[shovelquest]

here's a great movie lmao

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[Duik]

DR;TB (Didnt Read; Too Boring)

Just be nice because you can. Whether you religious or not. Just try not being a cunt.