Miscellaneous: Something smells fishy in Erud's Crossing [Archive]

nilbog

08-01-2025, 04:58 PM

Here is a link from 2001 listing the fish, so it's at least in the timeline.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010410014911/http://www.eqtraders.com/location/fishing_zone.htm

If anyone wants to otherwise review a list of fish to check if they are not classic:

10lb Fetid Bass,11lb Fetid Bass,12lb Fetid Bass,13lb Fetid Bass,14lb Fetid Bass,15lb Fetid Bass,16lb Fetid Bass,17lb Fetid Bass,2lb Fetid Bass,3lb Fetid Bass,4lb Fetid Bass,5lb Fetid Bass,6lb Fetid Bass,7lb Fetid Bass,8lb Fetid Bass,9lb Fetid Bass,A Black Cod Card,A Blue Cod Card,A Red Cod Card,A White Cod Card,Barren Flounder,Boar Carp,Cauldron Trout,Cave Guppy,Chokai Bass,Clockwork Koi,Cobalt Cod,Crystalline Cave Fish,Danak Grouper,Despair Chub,Dragon Bay Snapper,Evergreen Salmon,Fogwater Trout,Frosty Cave Trout,Giant Fetid Bass,Gigantic Fetid Bass,Greengill Salmon,Grotto Bluegill,Gunthak Mackerel,Hatch Dace,Highland Pike,Hound Pike,Humongous Fetid Bass,Iceclad Cutlassfish,Ikfish,Kedge Carp,Kerra Catfish,Koada Cichlid,Krup Guppy,Kunzar Koi,Large Fetid Bass,Pine Cichlid,Rathe Muskie,Red Roughy,Rujarkian Chub,Ry`Gorrian Toothfish,Salt Minnow,Saltwater Seaweed,Salty Whitefish,Sewer Catfish,Sponge Mushroom,Stonefish,Thullian Mudskipper,Thunder Salmon,Timorous Tuna,tiny Fetid Bass,Weary Wrass,Wulf Fish

Ennewi

08-01-2025, 05:01 PM

Jimjam Swimswam

Jimjam

08-01-2025, 05:21 PM

Shame on me. Thanks Nilbog!

CrazyPro

08-02-2025, 03:38 PM

Passenger

08-05-2025, 05:45 PM

From Nilbog's link we see mention of a Bloodfin Trout fished from the Lake of Ill Omen. That one is missing from the P99 database query.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628012333/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/strategy/skills.html?skill=15
RE: Exotic Fish
By: mymaku
Posted @ Thu, Mar 29th 11:24 PM [2001]

Reeled in a ton of bloodfin trouts in Lake of Ill Omen; they sold for a little over two times as much as fresh fish.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628022630/http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=18.topic
Tellemar
(4/3/01 10:12:07 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

Some of these, (like the gunthak makeral) have been around for a while, but most are new. Also, A new fish i just caught in the Lake of Ill Omen is the bloodfin trout, sells for 4.5 silver each to vendors with 70 charisma, is edible and i caught them every time with a skill of around 140 (can't remember exactly).

It was apparently removed from the lake in summer 2002 (https://web.archive.org/web/20020811041601/http://eqtraders.com:80/location/fishing_zone.htm), but should be fishable in P99's timeline.

Zone items reeled in
...
Lake of Ill Omen none (Bloodfin Trout used to be available in this zone, but now appear to be extinct)
...

A fair number of the zone-specific fish were added in Mar2001, a few others in Sept2000. Do any have era flags set?

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The Salt Minnow shouldn't be fishable on P99. It's part of the long-broken Hollow Skull/Skull of Torment quest.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030817142748/http://pub8.ezboard.com/foldunsolvedquestsineverquestfrm1.showMessage?topi cID=88.topic
Feninie
(5/19/03 3:21 am)
The Hollow skull - new thread

For old discussion please see this thread:

pub8.ezboard.com/foldunso...D=24.topic

Also see

everquest.allakhazam.com/...quest=2177

The Tower Cook's Head (aka The Hollow Skull)

...

Salt minnow was not in game for a long time, however popped up on test early May 2003 ( mboards.eqtraders.com/php...3057#53057 )

The May 14 2003 patch included this info, at this time Salt Minnow was thought to have entered the live servers.

- Added Honey Mush Bread to Cabilis Vendors - This is an item needed for a quest that was unavailable.
- The Skull of Torment quest - This quest, in Kurn's Tower, should now work.

...
- https://web.archive.org/web/20031125182141/http://pub8.ezboard.com/foldunsolvedquestsineverquestfrm1.showMessageRange ?topicID=88.topic&start=21&stop=40
vhiash
(6/11/03 1:45 pm)
Salt Minnow

Was fishing today (Wed June 11, 2003) in East Cabilis for the catfish... Also got a salt minnow (live on Firiona Vie). Go to it peeps =)
Zorraak
(6/11/03 4:04 pm)
Re: Salt Minnow

I can confirm that Salt Minnows are live - I caught two of them on E'Ci today after the patch.

I already had some Zombie Skin and a Bixie Honeycomb ... however the combination of:

Zombie Skin
Zombie Skin
Honeycomb
Salt Minnow

was a DNC in the Cabilis oven. I'm still looking for "Zombie Flesh" ... anyone ever seen it?

Zorraak - 63 Warlock - E'Ci

nilbog

08-07-2025, 09:51 PM

Our per-zone fishing implementation currently has no functionality for 'rule-basing' eras. I'll work on getting this added.

Itemizing fish per zone (and rules) would probably be a good crowd source/research project due to the limited scope.

nilbog

08-09-2025, 12:30 PM

Added rule support for fishing; each zone may now have individual rules per possible fished items.

-Removed Salt Minnow
-Added Bloodfin Trout to lakeofillomen

Here is the complete list.

akanon Clockwork Koi
blackburrow Hound Pike
butcher Stonefish
butcher Saltwater Seaweed
cabeast 11lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 15lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 3lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 7lb Fetid Bass
cabeast Gigantic Fetid Bass
cabeast Large Fetid Bass
cabeast 10lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 14lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 2lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 6lb Fetid Bass
cabeast Giant Fetid Bass
cabeast Large Fetid Bass
cabeast tiny Fetid Bass
cabeast 13lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 17lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 5lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 9lb Fetid Bass
cabeast Large Fetid Bass
cabeast Sewer Catfish
cabeast 12lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 16lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 4lb Fetid Bass
cabeast 8lb Fetid Bass
cabeast Humongous Fetid Bass
cabeast Large Fetid Bass
cabwest 10lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 14lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 2lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 6lb Fetid Bass
cabwest Giant Fetid Bass
cabwest Large Fetid Bass
cabwest tiny Fetid Bass
cabwest 13lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 17lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 5lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 9lb Fetid Bass
cabwest Large Fetid Bass
cabwest Sewer Catfish
cabwest 12lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 16lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 4lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 8lb Fetid Bass
cabwest Humongous Fetid Bass
cabwest Large Fetid Bass
cabwest 11lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 15lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 3lb Fetid Bass
cabwest 7lb Fetid Bass
cabwest Gigantic Fetid Bass
cabwest Large Fetid Bass
cauldron Cauldron Trout
chardok Chokai Bass
citymist Ikfish
citymist Fogwater Trout
cobaltscar Cobalt Cod
cobaltscar Dragon Bay Snapper
crushbone Boar Carp
crystal Crystalline Cave Fish
eastkarana Thunder Salmon
eastwastes Ry`Gorrian Toothfish
erudsxing Barren Flounder
feerrott Thullian Mudskipper
felwithea Koada Cichlid
felwitheb Koada Cichlid
firiona 13lb Fetid Bass
firiona 17lb Fetid Bass
firiona 5lb Fetid Bass
firiona 9lb Fetid Bass
firiona Large Fetid Bass
firiona Sewer Catfish
firiona 12lb Fetid Bass
firiona 16lb Fetid Bass
firiona 4lb Fetid Bass
firiona 8lb Fetid Bass
firiona Humongous Fetid Bass
firiona Large Fetid Bass
firiona Saltwater Seaweed
firiona 11lb Fetid Bass
firiona 15lb Fetid Bass
firiona 3lb Fetid Bass
firiona 7lb Fetid Bass
firiona Gigantic Fetid Bass
firiona Large Fetid Bass
firiona 10lb Fetid Bass
firiona 14lb Fetid Bass
firiona 2lb Fetid Bass
firiona 6lb Fetid Bass
firiona Giant Fetid Bass
firiona Large Fetid Bass
firiona tiny Fetid Bass
highpass Highland Pike
hole Hatch Dace
iceclad Salty Whitefish
iceclad Iceclad Cutlassfish
innothule Thullian Mudskipper
innothule Rujarkian Chub
kael Frosty Cave Trout
karnor Wulf Fish
kedge Kedge Carp
kerraridge Kerra Catfish
lakeofillomen Bloodfin Trout
lakerathe Rathe Muskie
mischiefplane A Black Cod Card
mischiefplane A White Cod Card
mischiefplane A Red Cod Card
mischiefplane A Blue Cod Card
northkarana Thunder Salmon
nurga Sponge Mushroom
nurga Cave Guppy
oot Saltwater Seaweed
oot Gunthak Mackerel
overthere Danak Grouper
qey2hh1 Thunder Salmon
qrg Pine Cichlid
sebilis Kunzar Koi
sirens Grotto Bluegill
sleeper Weary Wrass
southkarana Thunder Salmon
swampofnohope Krup Guppy
swampofnohope Despair Chub
timorous Saltwater Seaweed
timorous Timorous Tuna
tox Greengill Salmon
warslikswood Evergreen Salmon
westwastes Red Roughy

If there are any changes needed, for example an item wasn't able to be fished until X date, it can be reported like:

butcher Saltwater Seaweed Sep2000.

This one caught my eye because I believe that is used in dyes, and possibly needs a rule attached.

The fishing system itself was in bad shape, and I made many other changes while I was working on this. Those will be reported in other threads.

Passenger

08-09-2025, 03:09 PM

I was working through some merchant items, so I just made a new sheet:
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hitwgB6EtDa0kAY56CRhJKX7U6T2HeT55Mja0XIqfSY/edit?gid=1258607884#gid=1258607884

As far as I can tell, there were 3 main eras of fish expansion: Apr2000, Sept2000, and Mar2001 (+PoM). Zone-specific fish were first released with Kunark. Sept2000 saw the addition of the tackle box, lure and fish egg recipes, and a few fish (salmon/mackerel) used in those fish egg recipes. Then in Mar2001, we see unique fish being added to a number of Old World and Velious zones.

From Allakhazam's early fishing page:
May2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20000511125318/http://everquest.allakhazam.com:80/Skills/Fishing.htm
As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece).

Jun2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20000613032414/http://everquest.allakhazam.com:80/Skills/Fishing.htm
As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces and edible), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece). In Kunark, you can also catch specialized items, that seem to be zone specific.
...
Kunark Fishing Catches:

Cabilis - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass)
City of Mist - Ikfish
Firiona Vie - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass), sewer catfish
Karnor's Castle - Wulf Fish
Lake of Ill Omen - Illweed reed, Wet Clay
Overthere - Danak Grouper
Ocean of Tears - Saltwater Seaweed.
Swamp of no Hope - Krup Guppy
Timorous Deep - Timorous Tuna
Warslik's Woods - Evergreen Salmon

Oct2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20001008033849/http://everquest.allakhazam.com:80/Skills/Fishing.htm
As far as I can tell, you can catch one of four things: a generic fish (worth about 2 silver pieces and edible), a fish scale (worth about 4 copper pieces), a rusty dagger (worth about 1 ½ silver pieces) or a tattered shoe (worth about 1 silver piece). In Kunark, and now in some other zones, you can also catch specialized items, that seem to be zone specific.
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Zone-specific Fishing Catches: (you need a skill over 100 to catch some of these)

Cabilis - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass)
City of Mist - Ikfish
Firiona Vie - Fetid Bass (sized from tiny fetid bass to humongous fetid bass), sewer catfish
The Karanas - Thunder Salmon
Karnor's Castle - Wulf Fish
Lake of Ill Omen - Illweed reed, Wet Clay
Nurga - Cave Guppy
Overthere - Danak Grouper
Ocean of Tears - Saltwater Seaweed; Gunthak Mackarel
Swamp of no Hope - Krup Guppy
Toxxulia Forest - Greengill Salmon
Timorous Deep - Timorous Tuna
Warslik's Woods - Evergreen Salmon

Comments on Illweed Reed and Wet Clay
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030118181657/http://www.everlore.com/quests/default.asp?mode=35&id=167395
Submited by: Moort Wurmtooth On: 7/13/2000 6:36:59 AM
I have never fished an illweed reed from the lake. I am a master fisherman and spent most of my time raising my skill here fishing. NADA! If anyone on POVAR has any of these i am looking for 4 of em.
Submited by: matt tate On: 8/3/2000 8:01:17 AM
I have fished out illweed. Been a while though. May have accidently got broken

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030803053806/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=200
Illweed can't be fished anymore it seems
Posted @ Fri, Jul 14th 9:46 AM 2000
By: Mannra Mystikclaw

I have used over 200 bait as of Jul 13 and no Illweed reeds or wet clay are able to be fished anymore for some reason
RE: Illweed can't be fished anymore it seems
Posted @ Fri, Sep 22nd 11:58 PM 2000
By: Anonymous

as of sept 23 i have gotten my fishing skill to master and still no illweed
Illweed Reed
Posted @ Wed, Apr 25th 8:34 AM 2001
By: Lolanda

Yesterday I foraged one with my ranger. Put down the poles, and get to foraging.

Meorum
Proud Member of Couer de Lion
Morrel-Thule
Reeds and Clay
Posted @ Wed, May 9th 1:56 AM 2001
By: Anonymous

Wet Clay Forages in Overthere.
I regularly Forage IllWeed Reeds in Lake of Ill Omen.

Sept2000

- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.everquest/c/IkeeSCwokZU/m/xWtW5Pcprx4J
Watchman
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

The patch message said there's more to catch when fishing, has anyone caught
anything new?
John M Clancy
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I caught Thunder Salmon in South Karana. It has a different graphic than
the fresh fish and sells for twice as much.
James@work
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I was catching Gunthak Makerel and Saltwater Seaweed in the Ocean of Tears.
John C-W
Sep 21, 2000, 7:00:00 AM

I caught some seaweed in OOT a couple of weeks ago so that one's not new.

A reference to Greengil Salmon a few days after the patch (not captured):
- https://web.archive.org/web/20001018174612/http://www.innoruuk.com/screenshots.asp
Fishing for Greengill Salmon - Magpye - 9/24/2000 8:55:25 AM

Passenger

08-09-2025, 03:14 PM

Some of the Kunark dungeon fish were added to EQTraders over time.
Nov2000 - https://web.archive.org/web/20001119180700/http://www.eqtraders.com/location/fishing.html
Mar2001 - https://web.archive.org/web/20010306023001/http://www.eqtraders.com:80/location/fishing_zone.htm

(You can browse later captures using the Mar2001 link)

I suspect they were actually released with the launch of Kunark though. We see more or less what we would expect to see in terms of discovery: fish found at entry points to the continent (Timorous Deep, Overthere, and Firiona Vie), Iksar starting areas (Cabilis, SoNH, Warslik's), and the first 50+ leveling dungeons (CoM and Karnor's). Nurga shows up next. That Sebilis and Chardok appear last isn't too surprising.

Mar2001

The primary source I found for the March2001 additions was a thread on the EQTraders board. Three pages captured:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628022630/http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=18.topic
- https://web.archive.org/web/20020116131401/http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessageRange?topicID=18. topic&start=21&stop=40
- https://web.archive.org/web/20020116132932/http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessageRange?topicID=18. topic&start=61&stop=64

A helpful check that these were in fact new (for some of Velious zones at least) comes from another thread. CodFest2001, three pages captured:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010409210538/http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornertailoring.showMessage?topicID=816. topic
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010422115818/http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornertailoring.showMessageRange?topicID =816.topic&start=21&stop=40
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010422120246/http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornertailoring.showMessageRange?topicID =816.topic&start=41&stop=47

Tradeskillers were looking for Cobalt Cod to make the oil needed for Arctic Wyvern armor, so they fished all over Velious and reported their findings. No cod or any other unique fish was caught (late Feb2001 and again in early Mar2001).

Misc

This thread (https://web.archive.org/web/20020128020424/http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=131.topi c) documented zones without any unique fish.

Passenger

08-10-2025, 01:54 PM

The adjective of the fetid bass should be lower case. It was changed to upper case in 2003. Lucy documents the change:

- large Fetid Bass (18 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14997
- large Fetid Bass (19 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14999
- large Fetid Bass (20 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14917
- large Fetid Bass (21 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14918
- giant Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14919
- gigantic Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14939
- humongous Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14940

The tiny Fetid Bass appears to be lowercase already in the P99 database.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031104045230/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=274.topi c
Waverlyn
(6/8/02 10:44 pm)
Re: Need help collecting Data for EQTC Please

Are the names you have in the above post Verant's exact names?

Waverlyn Ladyfire of The Tempest Fates
Karana Server
Laurefin
(6/9/02 1:49 pm)
Re: Need help collecting Data for EQTC Please

Yes, they are the exact names. "large Fetid Bass" really is capitalized like that.

Laurefin

The table in the OP of the thread lists the other fetid bass adjectives in lowercase as well.

nilbog

08-17-2025, 11:10 AM

The adjective of the fetid bass should be lower case. It was changed to upper case in 2003. Lucy documents the change:

- large Fetid Bass (18 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14997
- large Fetid Bass (19 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14999
- large Fetid Bass (20 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14917
- large Fetid Bass (21 lb) - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14918
- giant Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14919
- gigantic Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14939
- humongous Fetid Bass - https://lucy.allakhazam.com/itemhistory.html?id=14940

The tiny Fetid Bass appears to be lowercase already in the P99 database.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031104045230/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=274.topi c

The table in the OP of the thread lists the other fetid bass adjectives in lowercase as well.

What about the other Fetid Bass?

2lb Fetid Bass
3lb Fetid Bass
4lb Fetid Bass
5lb Fetid Bass
6lb Fetid Bass
7lb Fetid Bass
8lb Fetid Bass
9lb Fetid Bass
10lb Fetid Bass
11lb Fetid Bass
12lb Fetid Bass
13lb Fetid Bass
14lb Fetid Bass
15lb Fetid Bass
16lb Fetid Bass
17lb Fetid Bass

Also, I saw in the research comments about requiring a specific skill to catch certain items (i.e. >= 100).

If these are documented anywhere, would be useful. We use a placeholder value, but have the ability to differentiate.

On that note, we also have the ability to provide a 'chance' per item, which is calculated when deciding the weight chance to produce the item vs the total of the 'pool'. So, if something was known to be exceptionally rare to catch, we can do that.

Passenger

08-18-2025, 09:22 PM

This in-era list matches the casing of the names in the June 2002 table but includes an "a" in the name.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20010803151012/http://pub13.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=43.topic
mcdermit
(4/20/01 8:01:20 am)
FV Fishing Trip (Fetid Bass Findings)

I burnt through 7 stacks of bait in FV yesterday at skill 168-175, and thought I'd post what I found about the fish there.

It looks like there's one fetid bass there for every weight from 0.1-2.5, plus the rare Fresh Fish and that No Drop fish (Sewer Catfish?). The tiny, large and giant Fetid Bass were much less common for me than the others. About 15% of my catch were feast-classed fish.

Here's how they're named and how sustaining they are:

wt 0.1 = a tiny Fetid Bass, snack
wt 0.2 = a 2lb Fetid Bass, meal
wt 0.3 = a 3lb Fetid Bass, meal
wt 0.4 = a 4lb Fetid Bass, meal
wt 0.5 = a 5lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 0.6 = a 6lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 0.7 = a 7lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 0.8 = a 8lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 0.9 = a 9lb Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 1.0 = a 10lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.1 = a 11lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.2 = a 12lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.3 = a 13lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.4 = a 14lb Fetid Bass, banquet
wt 1.5 = a 15lb Fetid Bass, feast
wt 1.6 = a 16lb Fetid Bass, feast
wt 1.7 = a 17lb Fetid Bass, feast
wt 1.8 = a large Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 1.9 = a large Fetid Bass, hearty meal
wt 2.0 = a large Fetid Bass, meal
wt 2.1 = a large Fetid Bass, meal
wt 2.2 = a giant Fetid Bass, meal
wt 2.3 I didn't catch
wt 2.4 I didn't catch
wt 2.5 = a humongous Fetid Bass, hearty meal

Zwobu <Trade Foundation> Innoruuk

This appears to be a setup guide (https://web.archive.org/web/20020216034753/http://eq.hackersrealm.net:80/version3/guides/ethernalquestguide.shtml) for an incomplete EQ emulator using data from ShowEQ. Its last update is 7/30/2001, though the data doesn't appear to include Velious. In most cases, this would be a less than useful source, however, it does contain the following in its item database:

...
14917 - a large Fetid Bass
14918 - a large Fetid Bass
14918 - a giant Fetid Bass
...
14940 - a humongous Fetid Bass
...
14967 - a tiny Fetid Bass
...
14981 - a small Fetid Bass
14982 - a small Fetid Bass
14983 - a small Fetid Bass
14984 - a small Fetid Bass
14985 - a small Fetid Bass
14986 - a small Fetid Bass
14987 - a 8lb Fetid Bass
14988 - a 9lb Fetid Bass
14989 - Fetid Bass
14990 - Fetid Bass
14991 - Fetid Bass
14992 - a 13lb Fetid Bass
14993 - Fetid Bass
14994 - Fetid Bass
14995 - Fetid Bass
14996 - Fetid Bass
14997 - a large Fetid Bass
...
14999 - a large Fetid Bass
...

Perhaps unsurprisingly, not all the bass are accounted for, but the naming scheme is consistent with the Velious-era post above.

It seems there may have actually been "a small Fetid Bass" as well.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040215103959/http://vnboards.ign.com/EQ_Trade_Skill_Board/b5010/5363655/p1/
denadari_needs_ign_merge$$$
Date Posted: 7/26/00 7:24am
Subject: RE: What can you get fishing?

You get many interesting types of fish from the waters in Kunark. You get many different weights of their fetid bass, while pretty cool can be quite a pain cause they dont' stack unless they are the same weight. Also Sewer Catfish, Timorous Tuna, small fetid bass, and the usual fresh fish, daggers, and sandals happy.gif I hear you can catch different stuff in OOT too.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030216140657/http://www.everlore.com/items/items.asp?mode=show&IID=166183
Submited by: Maxiom On: 4/25/2001 5:51:45 PM

Using Lures, i was catching Fetid Bass that actually showed the weight,
ranging from '2 lb Fetid Bass' to '17 lb Fetid Bass'. When i used regular old
bait or foraged grubs i got a less descriptive Fetid Bass like 'a small Fetid Bass'
or 'a large Fetid Bass'. I wonder if the Lures give you a different fish or if this
was just coincidence.

These are the only two comments I could find that reference it though, and there would still be a question of how much it weighed.

-----

Also, I found a live capture of page 3 of the "New Fish Found" thread (https://web.archive.org/web/20040117160304/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessageRange?topicID=18. topic&start=41&stop=60) on a different ezboard subdomain. It confirms a couple more fish added (Grotto Bluegill, Hatch Dace, Red Roughy).

Passenger

08-18-2025, 10:36 PM

Regarding >=100 skill requirement for unique catches:

- https://web.archive.org/web/20001203235000/http://boards.station.sony.com/everquest/Forum8/HTML/001738.html
HalaGautrek
posted 11-15-2000 02:58 AM

A few small notes

- Fishing is indeed capped by level. Makes sense doesn't it? I mean we don't want any lowbie twinks powerfishing our salmon, do we?

- I haven't found any catch that really requires skill. As far as I've seen, all catches are just percentages in whatever areas they appear at all.
My smith is a level 5 human and fishes all the saltwater seaweed in pretty decent time - about 1 catch in 10.
The only things I think skill affects is how often you catch anything at all and how well you succeed with the tackle box.

- The only plausible effect of using exceptional baits is as a bonus to skill, i.e. it makes you catch more faster. The increase is pretty small though.

- Cenlad, Bertoxx

I believe the equation for level-capped skills is (5 x Level) + 5. If so, that would cap a level 5 character at 30.

From Saltwater Seaweed entry at Everlore:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010617181331/http://www.everlore.com/items/items.asp?mode=show&IID=167653
Submited by: Greecius, monk of Qu On: 12/18/2000 5:36:42 PM

You recieved it while fishing - I fished one up while boating from Kaladim to Freeport - nobody in the game has any idea of what it is or what it does. It is a Lore item, and no drop. When you fish it up you get the message "You caught a fish" - I got it when I reached 20 skill in fishing.
Submited by: Adrieal Shadowbane-D On: 1/12/2001 12:03:02 PM

I have fished up a number of these items, this saltwater seaweed. It is No Drop so you can't sell it (though if info is correct and this stuff is used to make Sea Temper which is for Human cultural armor, then maybe you could sell the sea temper for a decent amount, seeing as how most people don't take up fishing). My fishing is at a 98 now, and i'm catching more and more of these No Drop items, the saltwater seaweed. I keep destroying them as I am a Dark Elven Necromancer of the 23rd season. They take up too much inventory space as they don't stack, and you can't sell them as they are No Drop. I will attempt to make this sea temper to see if it works (though not till much later when i can actually hunt seafury cyclopses to get the mugs of sea foam). We shall see what happens, though i hate losing bait to something that is seemingly worthless.
Submited by: Shadaria On: 2/25/2001 8:56:22 AM

I myself went to brother island to start making fishing lures (made 1 already), since I didn't have any skill in fishing (as of yet) I decided to do just that. I bought 40 bait and pole and started to catch Gunthak Mackeral, Fresh Fish, Scaled Fish, Daggers, Sandles and the Saltwater Seaweed. Too bad it cost U a bait to catch something U can't eat (I have 8 of them already). My suggestion is if brewing is required, then start doing it. Get the other ingredients from other players (if u can) and try to make the end reault from the previous posts then sell them to the Blacksmiths. If U don't feel like putting in the time, then just destroy them and venture on to other things. I myself am going to destroy them so i can put something else in the vacant slots. Makes more sense.

Shadaria <Titans of Azan>6th Season High Elf Enchantress

- https://web.archive.org/web/20020728174551/http://pub126.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessageRange?topicID=3.t opic&start=21&stop=28
RedLeif
(3/21/01 5:05:25 am)
Re: Notes

You can catch the special fish at any level in fishing. My DE Nec fishes in the Karanas quite a but, and gets tons of thunder salmon.

Oh, FYI: You can catch fresh fish in the Everfrost Peaks. Talk about Ice Fishing... just find one of the holes in the ice. :)

Zaarkal Bonedancer
27th NecroMaster
Bertoxx

Edited by: RedLeif at: 3/21/01 5:42:58 am
Daareon Ravenstar
(3/22/01 1:15:02 am)
Re: Notes

Yep, gotta agree with this. Pre 100 I have caught a lot of "not-fish" specials, particularly in OOT.

In Kunark, with 80-99 skill I have also caught all 3 of the "special" Fetid Bass, and the Sewer Catfish.

I did email screenshots to Niami for inclusion on the page. That was a while back though, and they are probably on her pile of things to do still.

Come to think of it, if Niami or anyone who looks after the page wants/needs screenshots send me an email.

Daareon Ravenstar
Master Fletcher (180), Master Baiter (101), Average Smith (51), Bad Brewer (40)
40th Season Ranger of Ayonae Ro

- https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.everquest/c/D1qaSfXsswo/m/vPGPf0MwGV4J
What do i get at (200) fishing skill?

EverQuestsDaBest
Sep 18, 2001, 6:45:31 AM

I am assuming the skill max for fishing is 200, if not, assume my question
means the highest skill for fishing.

I just recently started fishing, and got my skill to (9), and i seem to catch
something 1 out of every 5-10 casts. Im curious, i caught rusty daggers, fish,
somethin called timorous tuna, not worth much, but cool to get for free.

My question is, what kind of things do you catch if your skill is the highest u
can get in fishing? Thanx
GP
Sep 18, 2001, 3:29:26 PM

from a post on my guild board:

Like foraging, fishing only counts if it's 101 or better, before then
you can't get rares (like the Seaweed for Sea Tempers, or the Cobalt
Cods for Cod Oil, or the Iceclad Cutlassfish for the Shawl quest). For
those that don't know, normal races need 101 or better foraging to
forage rares (like Oak Bark and Drake Eggs), except for Iksar who can
all forage, have 50 skill that never goes up and can always forage rares
(though they fail to get anything at all lost of times, due to low
skill).

The above comment suggests that the "skill >= 100 to catch special fish/items" misconception may have been informed by zone-specific foraging mechanics.

Passenger

08-18-2025, 10:46 PM

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117142824/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=167.topi c
DInDenver
(10/11/01 1:27 am)
I have to ask. I have only been fishing one day

Hi!
What is the EFFECT of increasing your fishing skill? More catches per cast, more expensive catches, larger skill numbers (lol)? I have read several articles on Fishing and most seem to concentrate on lures or be written for "Old hands" so there are no details.

Dave M
aka Sonjah Redh
Madgalyayana
Itien of Bristlebane
(10/11/01 2:07 am)
Re: I have to ask. I have only been fishing one day

As far as I can tell, it's more catches per cast (I rarely don't get anything at a skill of 200).
Possibly there are also less "trash" (sandals, scales, rusty weapons), but I'm not sure about that (it's been a very long time since I caught a rusty weapon though).
It would be nice if increased skill increased the chances of catching "rares" (like the sea weed in the Ocean of Tears or the salmons in the Karanas), but I haven't seen much support of that hypothesis.
Verdandi Snowblood
(10/11/01 5:33 am)
Re: I have to ask. I have only been fishing one day

My own experience has been that as your skill increases, you have less casts that don't catch anything, you get less shoes and rusty daggers, you lose your bait less, and you get more of the rare fish in zones that have more than one possible fish. When fishing in Firiona, I also seemed to get more of the bigger sized ones than I had with less skill.

This is all based on just my own observations so it's possible that it may have just been my imagination or the whim of my RNG. But I started fishing at level 5 and just hit 196 fishing the other day at level 54, so at least it's been plenty spread out :)

I think it's safe to say that a minimum skill level was not required for zone-specific catches. It's unclear whether skill increased the chance of a zone-specific catch, however. If higher skill increases the chance of successful catches generally and decreases the chance of catching junk, as seems to be the case based on the other fishing bug threads, then a higher skilled character would likely end up with more zone-specific fish caught than a lower skilled character for a given number of casts. That is to say, skill level wouldn't need to directly influence the chance of a special catch to end up with more special catches.

nilbog

08-18-2025, 10:57 PM

Currently each DB fishing entry is set to a base skill of 50+. This affects everything that is not common junk/fresh fish.

Based on your researched posts, this doesn't seem to be correct, so I guess the question is should there be a minimum skill required for any fished item.

Jimjam

08-19-2025, 01:19 AM

The above post about fishing using an ice hole in the tundra reminds me of a p99 bug - you can fish on any of the floe, you don’t need to use a hole in the ice. According to the above that isn’t right. Holes only for fishing!*

*and presumably that little beach in the tunnel too.

Passenger

08-19-2025, 06:18 PM

I've not seen mention of particular fish/items having a specific skill requirement to catch.

Shadaria was able to catch all of the items in Ocean of Tears starting from no skill using 40 bait. I don't how many skill-ups they gained in 40 casts, but it probably wasn't many (maybe 4-5 at most?). They do mention experimenting with lures which can raise your fishing skill, but had they skilled up making a bunch of lures beforehand, they could have fished with those instead of buying the bait.

EverQuestsDaBest also mentions catching a Timorous Tuna, the special catch in Timorous Deep, by skill level 9.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117152644/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=42.topic
Albavar
(4/20/01 5:27 am)
Catching specialty fish with a 14 skill!

Last night I went fishing to replace my plummeting supply of muffins. At the docks of Erudin I caught fresh fish as one would expect. However, when I went fishing next to the bridge over the river in Toxx, I caught nothing but Greengill Salmon. No daggers, sandals, or scales, just salmon. The weird thing is my skill went from (14) to (15) in this time. I thought you could only catch those other fish with over (100) skill.

/shrug

Thought fishers might like to be notified. Oh, and this happened on Xev.
mcdermit
(4/20/01 7:49 am)
Re: Catching specialty fish with a 14 skill!

Greengill Salmon is the standard fish in Tox; I've never caught anything else there at any level of skill. Many zones now give you some named fish instead of Fresh Fish. Kinda makes it hard to make those Fish Rolls while adventuring :(

Zwobu <Trade Foundation> Innoruuk

Out-of-era, but in-line with the above accounts:

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031205142416/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=354.topi c
Kindertan
(10/23/02 8:52 pm)
43 in Fishing

Ok I have a 43 in fishing...I've caught my share of rusty daggers, sandles, fresh fish, etc. But I have yet to ever catch a named fish. Is my skill too low?
Niami DenMother
(10/23/02 9:34 pm)
Re: 43 in Fishing

You don't state what zone you were fishing in. Named fish are only in certain zones, as per the list at the following link:

www.eqtraders.com/locatio...g_zone.htm
Kindertan
(10/23/02 9:37 pm)
Re: 43 in Fishing

I've fished all over the place :b Today I was fishing in BB, where I think stonefish are suppose to be caught.
xaanru
(11/6/02 3:27 pm)
Re: 43 in Fishing

Nope, I caught gunthak mackerel, and saltwater seaweed (which was my goal) in OOt when I only had 10 skill. As a human smith, let me add that my skill has quickly progressed into the 180 range.
Zyrtryx Conjureblade
(11/6/02 7:29 pm)
Re: 43 in Fishing

I caught at least 6 saltwater seaweeds while sitting on the docks on the island in OOT where the tackleboxes and hooks are sold, and my Magician had a Fishing skill of around 20 (possibly less) at the time. Since they're No Drop, I was forced to destroy all of them.

His Fishing skill is up to 85 atm, and the only fish (other than Fresh Fish) that he has caught are Gunthak Mackerel. (The only places he's fished that have other catchable fish are Butcherblock and Felwithe, though)
Troodon
(11/26/02 4:55 pm)
Re: 43 in Fishing

It seems that your fishing skill only effects how often you catch something... not what you can catch. Someone who went into PoV to catch me a valorian discus went in with 0 skill and had no problems catching it, but it took him an hour to get one (had 18 skill when he caught one). Higher fishing skill speeds up the process of getting a special fish, but there's no minimum skill to catch them.

- https://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/forum/tradeskills/fishing/2369-skill-lvl-for-catching-zone-specific-fish
Skill lvl for catching zone specific fish
01-13-2003, 10:30 PM

Hello all,

Was wondering if you have to have a certain skill level to catch the zone specific fish. I have heard that you have to have 100 sill, but i caught a Pince Cichlid in Surefall with 66 skill.

Thanks in advance for any info
Velurian
01-15-2003, 02:12 PM

To all appearances, there is no minimum skill level for catching the zone specials, at least not as a group -- I caught some myself with fishing less than 50, and have seen reports of some caught much lower than that.

That said, it's possible that *certain* zone-specific fish actually require a minimum fishing level; I don't think that's been convincingly established, and I don't remember seeing any official word from anyone at SOE.
Fuelman
01-23-2003, 04:43 PM

Cant be too much skill involved, i caught a Stone Fish in Butcherblock with a skill of 26 and an ordinary pole and bait
Kamdarra Trueweave
01-24-2003, 08:04 PM

As a tailor, I've taken several friends and guildmates with me to fish for Cobalt Cod in Cobalt Scar. At least a few of these had never fished before in their (EQ) lives and still managed to catch Cod and Dragonbay Snapper.

So, at least in CS, there is no minimum level required.

Also, as alluded to in the comments from Albavar and mcdermit, it appears the special fish introduced in the Sept2000 and Mar2001 fishing expansions actually replaced the Fresh Fish on the table. This seems to have lasted until the Nov. 7, 2001 patch. Do you want me to collect what I've found on this, Nilbog, or do you want to leave it as is?

nilbog

08-19-2025, 07:44 PM

Pending Update,

-Updated existing skill level checks for fishing to 0. This will make it possible to catch zone special items, but not likely, due to fishing skill checks.

Also, as alluded to in the comments from Albavar and mcdermit, it appears the special fish introduced in the Sept2000 and Mar2001 fishing expansions actually replaced the Fresh Fish on the table. This seems to have lasted until the Nov. 7, 2001 patch. Do you want me to collect what I've found on this, Nilbog, or do you want to leave it as is?

If you want to post the research, I will review it. One issue/risk I can think of is, if the 'special' db items replaced fresh fish, we won't know what % chance modifications were made against catching the items vs junk during this timeframe. Our server code won't look anything like what existed or exists on eqlive.

Passenger

08-20-2025, 06:59 PM

Ok, I'll see what I can put together.

In the meantime, I was looking at the zone/fish list again:

butcher Saltwater Seaweed
firiona Saltwater Seaweed
oot Saltwater Seaweed
timorous Saltwater Seaweed

Saltwater Seaweed is certainly fishable in OoT from what we've seen. The earliest evidence for it appearing in Timorous Deep that I've come across so far is from Nov2001, shortly after the Nov. 7 patch.

Saltwater Seaweed at Allakhazam (Last updated: Tue Apr 10 12:08:45 2001):
- https://web.archive.org/web/20011226151655/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com:80/item.html?item=5618
Another location
By: ktadema
Posted @ Sun, Nov 18th 7:53 AM 2001

Last night I was fishing on the dock in Timorous Deep, near the ogres, waiting for the boat to come and take me to Overthere, when lo and behold, on my line I caught what I am pretty sure was this. It looked like a pouch, and it was No Drop. I didn't know what it was until just now. Anyhow, these apparently can be found in Timorous Deep also.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111041143/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=220.topi c
DruBear
(2/3/02 1:33 am)
Saltwater Seaweed now in TD...?

Was working my SK's fishing up while waiting on the Kunark boat, on Ogre Isle, when what appears on my cursor but a Saltwater Seaweed! And then, with a full stack of bait, I proceed to fish up 3 more (!) Egads! Now I have to hold them, get my brewing up and then get some Seafoam to make temper for my Human Cleric.

Or maybe I missed the addition... I certainly missed the boat...

The patch did mess with forage and fish tables, so there's a good chance it really was added then. Timorous Deep was one of the original zones with special catches. It seems odd that Timorous Tuna would be documented for so long, but not the seaweed.

As for it being fishable in Butcherblock or Firiona Vie, I've seen no mention of that in-era. Really the only thing I found, even out-of-era, was from the live Allakhazam page for Saltwater Seaweed (https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5618). Interestingly, there is further comment of it being fishable in Timorous Deep, but still no player comment of it coming from BB or FV.

The oldest archived version of the page I could find that included all four zones was from 2002 (Last updated: Thu Sep 19 18:52:47 2002 (https://web.archive.org/web/20021104063831/http://everquest.allakhazam.com:80/db/item.html?item=5618&start=0)). The page also includes the following:
Fished in any ocean zone.

This is definitely not true and calls the zone information into question, in my opinion.

A modern capture of EQTraders (https://web.archive.org/web/20220701163025/https://eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=5247&menustr=110055000000) (the live site has been having db issues) only lists Saltwater Seaweed being fished in Ocean of Tears and Timorous Deep.

nilbog

08-24-2025, 11:11 AM

Pending Update:

Apr2000:
Saltwater Seaweed

Sep2000:
Greengill Salmon, Gunthak Mackerel, Thunder Salmon

Mar2001:
Barren Flounder, Bloodfin Trout, Boar Carp, Cauldron Trout, Clockwork Koi, Cobalt Cod, Crystalline Cave Fish, Despair Chub, Dragon Bay Snapper, Fogwater Trout, Frosty Cave Trout, Grotto Bluegill, Hatch Dace, Highland Pike, Hound Pike, Iceclad Cutlassfish, Kedge Carp, Koada Cichlid, Pine Cichlid, Rathe Muskie, Red Roughy, Rujarkian Chub, Ry`Gorrian Toothfish, Salty Whitefish, Sponge Mushroom, Stonefish, Thullian Mudskipper, Weary Wrass

May2001:
A Blue Cod Card, A King Cod Card, A Red Cod Card, A White Cod Card, A Black Cod Card

Nov2001:
Saltwater Seaweed (Timorous)

Removed:
Saltwater Seaweed from firiona/butcher

Passenger

08-24-2025, 04:31 PM

The Vindication of Jimjam Swimswam

The Nov. 7 patch removed the Barren Flounder from Erud's Crossing and replaced it with Timorous Tuna.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117142820/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=194.topi c
Ndayeni Dorranwen
(11/13/01 10:13 am)
Timorous Tuna in Erud's Crossing

Apologies if there's a thread already started for this, but I haven't noticed any specific ones since the patch for things like this...

Anyway, I've been hanging out in Erud's Crossing a lot the last week helping a friend with the plague shark for her Ro Vambraces, and have done some fishing there both to get scales and to pass time. Besides catching a lot more junk than I used to (sandals and daggers), I have caught two kinds of fish there...Fresh Fish and Timorous Tuna. I have not gotten any Barren Flounder, the fish that is listed on the zone-specific fishing page for this zone. These are results of a few different fishing sessions, representing maybe 2-3 stacks worth of bait.
Fambus
(12/11/01 7:00 am)
Re: Timorous Tuna in Erud's Crossing

Just thought I would add I also caught Timorous Tuna in Eurd's Crossing last night (10 Dec. 01).

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111041717/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=227.topi c
Lyinar
(3/2/02 12:19 am)
Erud's Crossing

I don't know if others have gotten this too, but I've gotten Timorous Tuna from Wisp Isle in Erud's Crossing.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111022655/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=268.topi c
Niami DenMother
(5/28/02 4:54 pm)
Re: To find the Barren Flounder

I pinged Yakatizma about this last week along with several other things.

I'll meander back onto Test in the next couple of days to see if the waters have been restocked yet. :)
Velisaris
(6/5/02 1:55 pm)
Re: To find the Barren Flounder

I fished about 3 stacks of bait in Erud's Crossing about an hour ago...0 barren flounder (but lots of Timorous Tuna).

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117161337/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=298.topi c
Velisaris
(6/21/02 8:37 am)
FINALLY...ofiicial response about the Barren Flounder

Well, I finally got an email back from Verant on the status of the missing barren flounder:

---------------------------------------------------------

Greetings,

I am sorry you are having problems with the flounder. It does indeed
appear
the fish is no longer in it's native waters. We are looking into where
the
fish have gone and hope to have some answers once that investigation is
complete.

Chris Phillips
Tester-Teldarian
Sony Online Entertainment
soe.sony.com

-----------------------------------------------------------

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111041940/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=312.topi c
TamlynEQ42
(7/12/02 12:56 pm)
Reboot of Erud's Crossing and TD

Hmmm... that's odd ... saw a message this morning that these two zones were being rebooted across all servers. Weren't these the zones that had something to do with Barren Flounder.

Just a thought ....
Dahna
(7/14/02 12:00 am)
Re: Fishies!!

Day of 14, july 2002, Barren flounder are being fished correctly in uncommon "loot", but they are still here

A number of brewed essences were released with the May 8, 2002 tradeskill patch. Erud's Essence (https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/recipe.html?recipe=683) called for the Barren Flounder which drew greater attention to its absence. The book containing the recipes for these essences was Reconstructing Mythology, Notes (https://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=18624); text can be seen here (https://wiki.project1999.com/Reconstructing_Mythology,_Notes). It can be removed from P99.

nilbog

08-25-2025, 06:41 PM

It can be removed from P99.

So the Reconstructing Mythology book didn't exist before 2002?

Passenger

08-25-2025, 08:45 PM

That's correct. It appears the recipes were patched in a bit earlier, as players started to discover them through experimentation (https://web.archive.org/web/20020713223240/http://pub126.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerbrewing.showMessage?topicID=754.to pic). I think the book itself was added in the May 8 patch.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031019105140/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerbrewing.showMessage?topicID=825.to pic
Caell
(5/12/02 10:15 pm)
Complete Essence parts list, from Reconstructing Mythology

Black Roots
Stonefish
Glow Lichen
Hatch Dace
Barren Flounders
Clockwork Koi
Cinnamon Sticks
Surefall Sap
Thunder Salmon
Fishing Grubs
Cacti Pulp
Sea Salt
Balidil
(5/12/02 10:22 pm)
Re: Complete Essence parts list, from Reconstructing Mytholo

Note: This was originally posted in the Pottery forum, it's a list of essences from a new book, read more about it in his post over there.

Edit: It's got those barren flounders that were a guess for the Odus essence on the list! Where the heck DO those things come from?!?

nilbog

08-25-2025, 10:59 PM

So the Reconstructing Mythology book didn't exist before 2002?

Fixed, pending update

Passenger

08-26-2025, 07:58 PM

I'm not sure this is worth recreating given that it's sorted out by the end of the timeline, but this is what I found.

- https://dbsanfte.github.io/eq-archives/newsgroups/alt.games.everquest-msg-2895.txt
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:27:17 -0700

Steve Mitchell wrote:

> For food on the road, wouldn't it be better to take up fishing, rather than
> baking? You can carry just a pole and bait, and fish in any zone with water.
> Plus you can collect the fishing grubs that foragers throw away. Fresh
> caught fish work as food without cooking. Just my 2 cents.

That may have been true a while ago, but Verant is adding all kinds of
'specialty' fish. Now, most zones do NOT drop fresh fish, they drop something
like Surefall Carp or Thunder Salmon or Bony Fish. Currently, many of these fish
are NOT directly edible and do not work with known recipes. Plus, there is the
advantage of being able to get experience by hunting bears, cats etc while
getting food, while fishing is a void.
--
Gregory Gadow

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030116001506/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=36.topic
Niami DenMother
(4/10/01 12:40:24 pm)
Re: Hello and Questions

Well met!

Special fish are zone-specific. At one point, it did seem that your chance of catching zone-special fish was determined by your fishing skill, but this is no longer the case.

Many zones now have special fish. In many cases, those fish seem to have totally replaced fresh fish. You can find a list of what zones have special fish now by going to the Trade Supplies section of the site. There's a link there for the zone-specific fishies. :)

Zone Reports

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031104044606/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=21.topic
Osano
(3/29/01 7:57 pm)
Hound Pike in Black Burrow

Hi All! I've been enjoying and gleaning info from the message boards here for a few weeks as I learned the game, and finally mastered Fishing and caught my first special fish!

While attempting to complete the Monk Orange Headband Quest, I did some fishing in the bowels of Black Burrow and caught Hound Pike exclusively with a skill of 101 to 103.

Hit rate seemed to be about the same as fresh fish elsewhere. On the other hand, I was able to sell the Pike for about 1/3 more than ordinary fresh fish. I didn't try baking with them.

I also caught some humorous comments from those getting aggro'd by gnolls as I sat there calmly fishing! Heh heh!

Got my headband, so packing up the fishing gear and looking for new waters in the Karanas ...

Good Luck to my fellow fishing fanatics!

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117155247/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessageRange?topicID=18. topic&start=1&stop=20
Tiensen
(3/29/01 2:01 am)
Re: page update

You can also add a Rygorrian fish (can't remember exact name at the moment) that is fished in Eastern Wastes now. I fish while medding there and never caught one before and as of the last patch it is the ONLY type of fish I can catch there.
Lanagard
(4/2/01 11:28 am)
Re: New Fish

I was fishing in Crushbone and discovered a Boar carp. It uses the same picture as the Stonefish and it replaces the fresh fish catch. I'm not sure if it's bakeable.
Whizbang Dustyboots
(4/2/01 2:42 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

Hmmm. Does anyone else find it odd/ill-advised to not have these unique fish -- which are otherwise quite cool -- not work in all ways as fresh fish do? (OK, maybe not the fetid bass. Yuck!)

I'd have starved if all I caught during my youth were Ak'Anon Koi, it seems.

Hopefully that'll be stage two of them adding these new fish to the game.
Niami DenMother
(4/2/01 8:47 pm)
Re: New Fish

Found Frosty cave trout were the only fish I caught in Kael today on my giant-friendly druid (fishing skill 61). The ice worms and the greywood fishing pole sold in Kael work just like the normal bait and fishing pole, FYI.
Tellemar
(4/3/01 10:12 pm)
Re: New Fish

Found Some of these, (like the gunthak makeral) have been around for a while, but most are new. Also, A new fish i just caught in the Lake of Ill Omen is the bloodfin trout, sells for 4.5 silver each to vendors with 70 charisma, is edible and i caught them every time with a skill of around 140 (can't remember exactly).

Passenger

08-26-2025, 08:05 PM

Zone Reports (Continued)

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030116001506/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=36.topic
Halestorm
(4/10/01 4:05:09 pm)
Fishing Trip

Went on a fishing trip to various zones yesterday, the big fish got away, but here's my catch...

Halas Lake - Fresh Fish
West Karana River - Thunder Fish
Eastern Wastes - Rygorrian Toothfish
Iceclad Ocean - Iceclad Cutlassfish, Salty Whitefish
Wakelands Lake - Fresh Fish
Plane of Growth stream - Trying to catch a land shark?
was gonna try the lake in POG but ran out of bait and had no skinning knife =(

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117155711/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessageRange?topicID=18. topic&start=21&stop=40
Idana Phoenixfyre
(4/11/01 9:21 am)
Re: Highland Pike

I was able to catch (exclusively) Thunder(something or other) salmon in South Karana.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031111032725/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=59.topic
Enigma6988
(4/29/01 7:43 am)
ferrott fish

i recently noticed on torv server ,that al the fish there now seem to be thulian mudskimers forgot to check price difference from fresh fish but they look kinda kewl.also have yet to get a fresh fish there since going back there to fish about 2 to 3 weeks ago with 80ish? fishing skill

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030121034934/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=97.topic
Cigarskunk
(6/25/01 11:39:05 am)
Troll fishing

Just got home to my swamps last night and was doing some fishing while healing up - didn't catch any fresh fish - just two named ones - lost the sheet of paper I had written them down on - sigh.
Gumkak Froglobber
(6/27/01 12:48:21 pm)
Re: Troll fishing
...
-ooc-
Think he does indeed mean the Thulian Mudskipper and the Rujarkian Chub.
-/ooc-

- https://web.archive.org/web/20040117160621/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessageRange?topicID=18. topic&start=61&stop=64
Monkeymage84
(8/9/01 4:57 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

so does anyone know where to actually catch the original "fresh fish"? i am quite mad about the new fish because i cant use them like fresh fish =(

- https://web.archive.org/web/20031101134113/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=148.topi c
Arum EvilOne
(9/16/01 8:25 pm)
Re: Do some zones produce more named fish than others?

Hole is nothing but special fish

This thread (https://web.archive.org/web/20040117142104/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=193.topi c) provides some good discussion on fishing in Cobalt Scar before and after the patch.

From the Nov. 7, 2001 patch:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20240919132018/http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20011107.html
Foraging and Fishing will now result in a wider variety of items, especially in zones that have unusual items available to forage or fish (such as quest items). Quest and unique items were too common in zones that had them, often making it hard to use those skills to obtain items such as food and drink. These quest and rare items will now actually be rarely foraged or fished, as they should have been. Such items will still be available, even to those with low foraging skills, but they will be more easily found by those who have practiced the skills.

While not exhaustive, the above list provides a decent sampling of zones between Mar2001 and Nov2001.

The fact that these Old World and Velious zones were now producing unique fish exclusively also casts the effort to document which zones still produced fresh fish in a new light. No doubt players were making sure they didn't miss any new additions, but they also wanted to know where they could still find fresh fish that would work with existing baking recipes.

Passenger

08-26-2025, 08:26 PM

Kunark Zones and Ocean of Tears

It seems these zones were largely unaffected and had both Fresh Fish and Zone-specific fish after the Mar2001 patch as before. The exception may have been zones where an additional unique fish was added.

Firiona Vie
(Re-post from above)
mcdermit
(4/20/01 8:01:20 am)
FV Fishing Trip (Fetid Bass Findings)

I burnt through 7 stacks of bait in FV yesterday at skill 168-175, and thought I'd post what I found about the fish there.

It looks like there's one fetid bass there for every weight from 0.1-2.5, plus the rare Fresh Fish and that No Drop fish (Sewer Catfish?). The tiny, large and giant Fetid Bass were much less common for me than the others. About 15% of my catch were feast-classed fish.
...

Overthere
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030121035820/http://pub147.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornerfrm55.showMessage?topicID=60.topic
Jarnin
(5/14/01 4:43:56 pm)
Re: Broken poles at higher skill level

I fished lastnight for about 5 hours while auctioning. I was able to catch:

194 Fresh Fish
21 Danak Grouper
4 Ruined Sandel thingies
2 Rusty Daggers
2 Fish Scales

Then my rod broke. It seems like fishing is based on rolls. It's a set delay. You have the chance to:

Very Bad Roll - Break your rod
Bad Roll - Lose your bait
Low Roll - Spill your beer and not catch anything
Medium Roll - You caught something (Scales, Daggers, Sandels)
Average Roll - Fresh Fish
High Roll - Zone Specific Fish

My skill is maxed at 200. I rarely break a pole, but sometimes I break them quite often. I blame it on low rolls. It's just like when you're a master of baking and fail on a low trivial item. As your skill increases, poles breaking happens less and less.
...

Timorous Deep
(Re-post from above)
What do i get at (200) fishing skill?

EverQuestsDaBest
Sep 18, 2001, 6:45:31 AM

I am assuming the skill max for fishing is 200, if not, assume my question
means the highest skill for fishing.

I just recently started fishing, and got my skill to (9), and i seem to catch
something 1 out of every 5-10 casts. Im curious, i caught rusty daggers, fish,
somethin called timorous tuna, not worth much, but cool to get for free.

My question is, what kind of things do you catch if your skill is the highest u
can get in fishing? Thanx

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City of Mist
Nannek
(4/14/01 8:54 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

In COM you can also catch fogwater trout.

Itien of Bristlebane
(4/15/01 3:17 pm)
Re: New Fish Found

Doh, Nannek beat me to it. Spent some time in City of Mist today fishing while waiting for a raid that never happened :( The other fish in the zone is indeed Ikfish (can remove the spelling question mark on the zone specific fishing chart).

From the early fishing page at Allakhazam, we see Ikfish fishable in CoM from Kunark release. This poster's phrasing suggests only two fish in the zone. The addition of the Fogwater Trout may have replaced the Fresh Fish.

Ocean of Tears, Timorous Deep, Warslik's Woods
Dakuel Moldbreaker
(4/16/01 1:22 am)
more

Well drat. I posted this on the topic about recipes using special fish and a skinning knife in a tackle box. It also applies here. This is what I got from "skinning" the fish I caught.

My results from tonight (some are repeted entries):

Gunthak Macherel (from Ocean of Tears) - 5 bait
Fresh fish (1, 2, and 3 of them) - nada
Rivervale Trout (from Rivervale. 1, 2 and 3) - nada
Stonefish (from Butcherblock. 1, 2 and 3) - nada
Timorous Tuna (from Timorous Deep. 1 and 2) - nada
Despair Chub (from Swamp of No Hope. 1 and 2) - nada
Bloodfin Trout (from Lake of Ill Omen. 1, 2 and 3) - nada
Evergreen Salmon (from Warslik's Woods) - 2 fish eggs and 2 scales

In Lake of Ill Omen, Butcherblock and Swamp of No Hope I never caught fresh fish.

After 10 attempts at fishing in the ocean on the north shore of the Field of Bone and the Overthere I caught only fresh fish.

The above would suggest that Ocean of Tears, Timorous Deep, and Warslik's Woods did produce Fresh Fish.

Swamp of No Hope
- https://web.archive.org/web/20010628012333/http://eqdb.allakhazam.com/strategy/skills.html?skill=15
new fish
By: rayek
Posted @ Tue, Apr 3rd 4:47 AM [2001]
I was fishing in the Swamp of no hope (skill of 130) when i realized i wasn't catching a single fresh fish. Instead i was catching a dispair cod and the krup guppy. has all fresh fish left the swamp?

This reads as if Krup Guppy and Fresh Fish were fishable prior to Mar2001. The Despair Chub then replaced the Fresh Fish with the patch.

There is some question about Nurga. We see the Cave Guppy being added early on, with the Sponge Mushroom added later. I'm not sure if the mushroom replaced Fresh Fish or not.

Passenger

08-26-2025, 09:17 PM

For some reason the capture with rayek's comment on SoNH is no longer showing it on the page. You can still view it on EQArchives though (use "Preview Full Text (https://search.eqarchives.org/?q=%22rayek%22%20%22new%20fish%22&size=n_20_n)").

Passenger

08-26-2025, 10:01 PM

Toxxulia Forest and The Karanas

We've seen comments after the Mar2001 patch that mention unique fish replacing Fresh Fish in the Karanas and Toxxulia Forest. Given that unique fish were added to these zones earlier than the others, I wondered if their tables changed in Mar2001.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20030521052449/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=960&start=25
Here Fishy Fishy Fishy!
By: Anonymous
Posted @ Mon, Jan 29th 11:53 PM 2001

The fishing frenzy has begun. A minimum of 60 bait have been thrown into each of the following bodies of water. I have had a fishing skill in excess of 150 for all those casts. And yes, yes... I *do* smell awful, and no, no... my guildmates do *not* want any more fish to eat.

Results for Odus:

Local Fish Other Garbage
Toxxulia Greengill Salmon Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Kerra Ridge Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Erudin Docks Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Paineel Pond Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Erud's Crossing Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales

Results for Antonica (so far):
East Karana Thunder Salmon Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales
Rivervale Fresh Fish Shoes, Daggers, Fish Scales

I have also spent some amount of time "hunting" in each of these locations, however fish hunting is a boring endeavor (YOU try to chase tiny little fish using sense animal and/or camping the ever-joyous single Razorfish spawn in Kerra). I'll keep squishing every fish I see, but there are limits to my madness!

I'd love to hear if anyone else has made concentrated efforts in any zones. I did spend about 20 bait in OOT, and did fish up the Seaweed. And yes, I have the meat from Kelorek D'ar. Its just the Roe, the miserable awful terrible caviar!

My current theory is that if I were a game designer, a swamp would be a good place to put fish roe, followed closed by Timorous Deep -- perhaps on those eel-like fishies that lurk where Faydedar does.

Righto! Back to the slaughter...
-= Ashwith Fairfever
-= L59 Luminary, Shadows of the Unseen, Quellious

This comment pre-dates the Mar2001 additions and suggests that the two salmon replaced the fresh fish when they were added in Sept2000. In other words, the Mar2001 patch doesn't seem to have altered the fishing tables of these zones.

Kerra Ridge

The mention of Fresh Fish in Kerra Ridge also raises a question about the Kerra Catfish. It appears it really was added in the Mar2001 patch as suggested in the "New Fish Thread" linked previously.

Interestingly, I haven't found a write-up for the quest requiring a Kerra Catfish anywhere except the wiki: Wislen Mamluk's Catfish (https://wiki.project1999.com/Wislen_Mamluk%27s_Catfish). The page was only added in 2020 and was apparently sourced from P99 itself. I did the quest on P99 and confirmed it works as described.

The earliest reference to Wislen's dialogue that I've encountered comes from Vaslin's Compendium. I used version 2.4.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20001015174310/http://www.eqcaster.com:80/) (Latest Additions: Feb. 14, 2001). The link on the page lists version 2.3, but the file lists 2.4.0.
You say, 'hail Wislen Mamluk'

Wislen Mamluk says 'Why you bother Wislen? Wislen trying to get fishies. Leave Wislen alone to get the [fish] please.

You say, 'What fish?'

Wislen Mamluk says 'Fish. Wislen fish. Wislen is mamluk, not just fisher. Mamluk is warrior but they also helps provide for all kerran. This is hadi place in life. We happy doing this. Please, let me fish now.

Notably, the keyword to advance the quest, kerran, isn't bracketed in the transcript, but on P99 it is.

A later comment notes the same:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20030926130517/http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3757
Hailing him...
Posted @ Mon, Oct 29th 12:13 AM 2001
By: Anonymous

Your location is -194.29, -85.13, 8.50
You say, "Hail, Wislen Mamluk"
Wislen Mamluk says "Why you bother Wislen? Wislen trying to get fishies. Leave Wislen alone to get [fish], please.
You say, "What fish?"
Wislen Mamluk says "Fish. Wislen fish. Wislen is mamluk, not just fisher. Mamluk is warrior but they also helps provide for all Kerran. This is hadi place in life. We happy doing this. Please, let Wislen fish now."

As there were no further bracketed text items, I left at that point in the conversation.

From the ShowEQ dumps (https://github.com/dbsanfte/eq-archives/tree/master/npc_dumps) we see that Wislen was new with the revamp to Kerra Ridge in Apr2000. That is when zone-specific fish were introduced, so maybe the plan was to add one to Kerra as well. The lack of brackets might suggest the quest was left unimplemented. On the other hand, not all prompts have brackets, so it may have existed but been broken until the catfish was added.