Are You Letting Visa/Master Card Know You Support Free Speech

[loramin]

For those that aren't aware, Steam, Itch.io, and a number of other online game vendors have been forced to remove "offensive" games from their store, because Visa and Master Card essentially blackmailed them. They told the vendors that if they didn't remove the games, they would stop processing payments for them (effectively putting them out of business).

To be clear, Visa and Master Card just decided that no adult in America can buy a video game unless the credit card companies decide it's inoffensive enough for them. If a US citizen wants to buy a video game with naked women (or men) online, they now can't, because Visa and Master Card decided as much.

Anyhow, gamers aren't happy (https://www.polygon.com/news/616835/visa-mastercard-steam-itchio-campaign-adult-games). If you have a few minutes, please consider contacting Visa and/or Master Card (that link has phone numbers and URLs), and let them know how you feel.

[shovelquest]

Im pro banning video games.

How can I support VISA more?

[OriginalContentGuy]

Third, and thanks Loramin I heard about this recently.

[shovelquest]

Hi, antichrist? Yeah Im calling to let you know I don't like how you're using this mark of the beast I opted into.

[shovelquest]

Where is the petition to ban steam so I can support my local video game store (that is now extinct)

[Reiwa]

I was gonna guess it's rape games but didn't want to be a jerk but yes it is rape games. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/mastercard-visa-backlash-adult-games-removed-online-stores-steam-itchio-ntwnfb)

(Grauniad since you're so fond)

The move came after an open letter organised by Collective Shout, an Australian-based group that fights the sexualisation of woman and girls. On 14 July, it called on payment providers to cease providing services to gaming platforms Steam and Itch.io, claiming that hundreds of their games contained content including rape, sexual violence and incest

[Reiwa]

In April, we exposed the sale of rape simulation game ‘No Mercy’ on both Steam and Itch.io gaming platforms. In the game, players assume the persona of a man who rapes his female family members, including his mother and his aunt, as punishment for his mother’s infidelity. It was marketed as follows: (https://www.collectiveshout.org/open-letter-to-payment-processors)

In this game, you’ll either become every woman’s worst nightmare… or rather: the best dick they'll ever have. Your goal is simple: leave no pussy non-fucked, since that's the only thing they all want. Never take 'no' for an answer.

Fuck your mom, fuck your auntie, and even fuck your friend’s mom. Why not?

Take what’s yours and show No Mercy.

[Swish]

Cash is king, use it wherever you can.

[shovelquest]

First the fat women came for the conservatives and incels, then they came for my rape games!

[Reiwa]

There will be no gooning

[shovelquest]

I was gonna guess it's rape games but didn't want to be a jerk but yes it is rape games. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/mastercard-visa-backlash-adult-games-removed-online-stores-steam-itchio-ntwnfb)

(Grauniad since you're so fond)

It is interesting that it's being made out like visa and Mastercard is at fault here, when really its concerned parents not wanting those types of games in the same shop as "little toby's sk8t adventure game".

I hate concerned parents, but I mean usually when these groups have a concern about media we bend over backwards for them, why not now?

[Duik]

Send your payed off and cut up credit cards back to the vendor in an envelope.

There are other options to pay as well.

[OriginalContentGuy]

First the fat women came for the conservatives and incels, then they came for my rape games!

Loud doesn't mean right; Fat doesn't mean crazy; My replying doesn't mean fucks are given beyond that I think your satire may be misread, and or you know what you're doing (and experiences motivate me to warn you of your confusion as it may be) and I'll put my attention where my mouth is. And just because I think you're allowed private time to process new information without serious danger doesn't mean I'm not gonna tell you not talk with your mouth full because I find it funny and illustrative.

TL;DR Thats not what you said when my dick was in your mouth

Welcome to the internet get rekt. Just kidding shov. Consider what I'm trying to convey if it pleases you

[shovelquest]

Loud doesn't mean right; Fat doesn't mean crazy; My replying doesn't mean fucks are given beyond that I think your satire may be misread, and or you know what you're doing (and experiences motivate me to warn you of your confusion as it may be) and I'll put my attention where my mouth is. And just because I think you're allowed private time to process new information without serious danger doesn't mean I'm not gonna tell you not talk with your mouth full because I find it funny and illustrative.

TL;DR Thats not what you said when my dick was in your mouth

Welcome to the internet get rekt. Just kidding shov. Consider what I'm trying to convey if it pleases you

I'm just making fun that the reason this is happening is because of a not for profit group called Collective Shout.

[Duik]

Also. Lulz. Rape games. Grabbem by the pussy game is in development.

[shovelquest]

First they came for the orange blob, then they came for my rape games!

[loramin]

You can be very anti-rape and still be very pro-freedom of expression. Remember, none of the banned content was illegal, it's just being censored by Visa.

[shovelquest]

What if I am pro freedom of expression, but I am against sexualized content being available for kids with only online verification being the authenticator?

It might be helpful if we could see some non rape game examples that are taken down as a result of this ban.

[Reiwa]

You can be very anti-rape and still be very pro-freedom of expression. Remember, none of the banned content was illegal, it's just being censored by Visa.

Are you substantively anti-rape if you want people to beat off to rape simulators?

[OriginalContentGuy]

In April, we exposed the sale of rape simulation game ‘No Mercy’ on both Steam and Itch.io gaming platforms. In the game, players assume the persona of a man who rapes his female family members, including his mother and his aunt, as punishment for his mother’s infidelity. It was marketed as follows: (https://www.collectiveshout.org/open-letter-to-payment-processors)

Do you know if Valve has come out publicly either for- or against- the games in question beyond admitting they were pressured by their payment processors?

[atomicpaul]

i wonder if people doing bad, violent stuff like that in a simulation makes it happen more or less in real life

[shovelquest]

Phew I can still buy Hatred.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/341940/Hatred/

[OriginalContentGuy]

i wonder if people doing bad, violent stuff like that in a simulation makes it happen more or less in real life
What's your opinion?

[Reiwa]

i wonder if people doing bad, violent stuff like that in a simulation makes it happen more or less in real life

Harm reduction logic makes me wanna drink mercury.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/1/19/Profile_-_Mad_Hatter.jpeg

[OriginalContentGuy]

Harm reduction logic makes me wanna drink mercury.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/1/19/Profile_-_Mad_Hatter.jpeg

Karen Wetterhahn's family says fuck you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Wetterhahn

[shovelquest]

i wonder if people doing bad, violent stuff like that in a simulation makes it happen more or less in real life

I think if kids need to see someone that looks like them in a movie as president, for them to want to become president, then violent video games must contribute to violence.

If someone made a pro nazi movie and made the characters based nazi super heros, people would be all kinds of pissed off.

But if thats gonna encourage people to do shit, how can murder simulators not?

[OriginalContentGuy]

Oh I'm so sorry Reiwa! You must have been typing a reply and wanted to leave that while you do. I'll try and be more open-minded.

Do you know if Valve has come out publicly either for- or against- the games in question beyond admitting they were pressured by their payment processors?

[shovelquest]

Harm reduction logic makes me wanna drink mercury.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/1/19/Profile_-_Mad_Hatter.jpeg

Buckle up Alice, we're goin' down this rabbit hole.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Buckle up Alice, we're goin' down this rabbit hole.

So how come you doublepost to yourself and have 3,000 posts?

[OriginalContentGuy]

I doublepost for fun on occasion but I'm a stranger around here and I'm interested truly. And serious despite silly which I hope you sense with malice absent from my curiosity.

[Ekco]

idk how i feel about this my brain hasn't fully booted yet but my immediate reaction is this is prolly for the best? from a steam is a monopoly kinda prospective, parental rights, Steam allowing literally fucking anything shovelware bullshit in the store..etc..etc..etc


make a GoG for Hentai games and support it is the correct move for everybody involved i think

[OriginalContentGuy]

idk how i feel about this my brain hasn't fully booted yet but my immediate reaction is this is prolly for the best? from a steam is a monopoly kinda prospective, parental rights, Steam allowing literally fucking anything shovelware bullshit in the store..etc..etc..etc


make a GoG for Hentai games and support it is the correct move for everybody involved i think

I have to lean towards the understanding that you can't unlearn something like how to make a video game. That there is a community out there that wants to play and share 3D rape games is concerning. However sex fantasy doesn't equal degeneracy as I understand because Nancy Friday (ladies, literates back me up) documented that real women engage in fantasies they would never ever pursue in their lives. I find the attachment to perversity more concerning than how one chooses to be perverse no matter the manifestation.

Do you have an opinion about whether or not we've become more perverse as a society over generational timescales in the world or in other words has the mass media message (cultural norms encouraged by social proof) changed in your lifetime in your view?

[Reiwa]

I have to lean towards the understanding that you can't unlearn something like how to make a video game. That there is a community out there that wants to play and share 3D rape games is concerning. However sex fantasy doesn't equal degeneracy as I understand because Nancy Friday (ladies, literates back me up) documented that real women engage in fantasies they would never ever pursue in their lives. I find the attachment to perversity more concerning than how one chooses to be perverse no matter the manifestation.

Do you have an opinion about whether or not we've become more perverse as a society over generational timescales in the world or in other words has the mass media message (cultural norms encouraged by social proof) changed in your lifetime in your view?

In 1900 if you proposed that pornography should be published under the masthead of the Grey Lady, people would not argue against you. They'd summon the authorities to have you taken away.

[OriginalContentGuy]

In 1900 if you argued that pornography should be published under the masthead of the Grey Lady, people would not argue against you. They'd summon the authorities to take you away.

In 1900 the authorities locked women in sanitariums and probably did rape and incest back then too. Also society has changed since then in more ways than one. Have you ever read a book called Going Solo by Eric Klinenberg? Oh and I'm assuming you would care to discuss so I'll wait for an answer or not as may please you.

[Reiwa]

In 1900 the authorities locked women in sanitariums and probably did rape and incest back then too. Also society has changed since then in more ways than one. Have you ever read a book called Going Solo by Eric Klinenberg? Oh and I'm assuming you would care to discuss so I'll wait for an answer or not as may please you.

I don't doubt there were abuses at the time but there was a form of mass media and it was newspapers. We have a few more kinds now with varying standards of what content is appropriate to publish. Gawker as an example had to learn the limits the hard way.

Sorry, I don't read books.

[Ekco]

That there is a community out there that wants to play and share 3D rape games is concerning

didn't know it was rape games, i'm pretty pro capital punishment and would be fine if society voted to delete these people BUTT the female obsession with smut novels is a good counter point


all that weird sexual roleplay shit i just dump in a folder in my brain labeled "the weird kids who played vampire of the masquerade instead of 2e"

not my tribe, not my problem.

[shovelquest]

I have to lean towards the understanding that you can't unlearn something like how to make a video game. That there is a community out there that wants to play and share 3D rape games is concerning. However sex fantasy doesn't equal degeneracy as I understand because Nancy Friday (ladies, literates back me up) documented that real women engage in fantasies they would never ever pursue in their lives. I find the attachment to perversity more concerning than how one chooses to be perverse no matter the manifestation.

Do you have an opinion about whether or not we've become more perverse as a society over generational timescales in the world or in other words has the mass media message (cultural norms encouraged by social proof) changed in your lifetime in your view?

Why does he get cool questions and I get why do you double post :(

[OriginalContentGuy]

Well I won't distill it but the expectation that you would have to move to an urban center and learn how to socialize; that you would not meet your future wife through church or through your family is a novelty that has only been seen since the middle of the last century in the United States according to that book. And if you ask me most guys and girls at present among my contemporaries that I know either struggle or know someone who struggles with this area of modern life. Fluid intelligence is another part of the spectrum of excellence and varies in degrees throughout life. Which is why some people read because you can learn and see trends otherwise in your blind spot(s). And here's the thing. Libido and Eros, Love, Desire are all describing the same thing I understand which is powerful and it takes critical fucking awareness and a bit of luck and discipline to get any sort of perspective let alone competence in this area. But I've never been divorced and enjoy all the romantic relationships I can handle which for me is one.

[Ekco]

didn't know it was rape games, i'm pretty pro capital punishment and would be fine if society voted to delete these people BUTT the female obsession with smut novels is a good counter point


all that weird sexual roleplay shit i just dump in a folder in my brain labeled "the weird kids who played vampire of the masquerade instead of 2e"

not my tribe, not my problem.

see the joke here is i'm engaging in my own violence fantasy....

[Ekco]

Why does he get cool questions and I get why do you double post :(

don't take no guff from this swine, you quadruple hyperdunk post if the holy spirit moves you

[Reiwa]

Removed from store: My Sadistic Yandere Goth Mom Mercilessly Dominates Me

Removed from store: Dominated by: Sadistic MILF Landlord

Removed from store: Pregnant Ogre (https://steamdb.info/history/events/)

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Nooooo am I still able to one day make my high resolution chick with a dick female character on my new gaming PC??

Already went through this with pot. I’ve had my medical card for like 8+ years now, and pot’s legal where I live

And yet, every time I go to the goddamn pot store I have to take cash out of the atm (with a $2.50 withdrawal fee) like I’m buying hard drugs from my old connects. I want to tell the people at the pot shop “yknow if you really want to make this feel like a drug deal, then you should also make me wait for 2 hours at a gas station and sometimes collect the cash, say you’re going to go get the stuff, and then ghost me” (all stuff that’s happened to me back in the day)

But really, it’s being done because card companies or banks refuse to allow their cards to be used for pot, even in places where it’s fucking legal. Which is ridiculous

[Reiwa]

Nooooo am I still able to one day make my high resolution chick with a dick female character on my new gaming PC??

Already went through this with pot. I’ve had my medical card for like 8+ years now, and pot’s legal where I live

And yet, every time I go to the goddamn pot store I have to take cash out of the atm (with a $2.50 withdrawal fee) like I’m buying hard drugs from my old connects. I want to tell the people at the pot shop “yknow if you really want to make this feel like a drug deal, then you should also make me wait for 2 hours at a gas station and sometimes collect the cash, say you’re going to go get the stuff, and then ghost me” (all stuff that’s happened to me back in the day)

But really, it’s being done because card companies or banks refuse to allow their cards to be used for pot, even in places where it’s fucking legal. Which is ridiculous

Weed is still federally schedule 1. It is not 'fucking legal' in any cognizable sense.

[Ciderpress]

Hmm, rape games not my cup of tea at all. But you've been able to kill hookers in GTA since like 2001 right? Is that comparatively wholesome or?? And don't you get to play as nazis in battlefield?

I don't get the logic here.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

federally

So are these then gov’t cards and banks?

[OriginalContentGuy]

Weed is still federally schedule 1. It is not 'fucking legal' in any cognizable sense.

Which is why as someone in the industry told me dispensaries in states that allow and regulate the sale of cannabis will usually only take cash because they fear their profits being seized by legal fiat and so there is uncertainty there and risk they prefer to avoid which I understand. I think ∆9-THC is used by many people to self-medicate (I was one) for various reasons and to various degrees and success. But other cannibinoids like CBD, CBN, CBG, ∆8-THC and others do not require ∆9-THC in their manufacture and thus are federally legal (currently) under the U.S. Farm Bill. Not only did I stop using ∆9-THC in any quantity or form once I discovered these other cannibinoids, but I wonder if I would have used cannabis flower for the length of time that I did if the restrictions around researching a scheduled drug that prevented these natural cannibinoids from being identified and studied earlier weren't in place.

Given that there is always going to be a black market where there is demand for an illicit or banned good there is definitely a money and power angle to drug policy in the U.S. as well as a harm reduction angle.

[shovelquest]

Hmm, rape games not my cup of tea at all. But you've been able to kill hookers in GTA since like 2001 right? Is that comparatively wholesome or?? And don't you get to play as nazis in battlefield?

I don't get the logic here.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/target-australia-bans-grand-theft-auto-v-for-its-violence-ag

Kids today are r-words that think everything happens to them is the first time and the last step before fascism.

[Reiwa]

Which is why as someone in the industry told me dispensaries in states that allow and regulate the sale of cannabis will usually only take cash because they fear their profits being seized by legal fiat and so there is uncertainty there and risk they prefer to avoid which I understand. I think ∆9-THC is used by many people to self-medicate (I was one) for various reasons and to various degrees and success. But other cannibinoids like CBD, CBN, CBG, ∆8-THC and others do not require ∆9-THC in their manufacture and thus are federally legal (currently) under the U.S. Farm Bill. Not only did I stop using ∆9-THC in any quantity or form once I discovered these other cannibinoids, but I wonder if I would have used cannabis flower for the length of time that I did if the restrictions around researching a scheduled drug that prevented these natural cannibinoids from being identified and studied earlier weren't in place.

Given that there is always going to be a black market where there is demand for an illicit or banned good there is definitely a money and power angle to drug policy in the U.S. as well as a harm reduction angle.

I'm skeptical of cannabinoids being materially different from mary-ja-hoochie.

It seems like High Times science.

[Ciderpress]

I find CBD and CBN products to be almost entirely placebo. A major medicinal aspect of cannabis is appetite stimulation, and it doesn't matter how many overpriced CBD gummies I eat, I feel nothing and I don't get hungry. When I just smoke actual weed, it works every time.

Because it's still a legal gray area, it's ripe for fraud and gimmickry and I think I kind of preferred the pre-legalization days on balance.

[Ciderpress]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/target-australia-bans-grand-theft-auto-v-for-its-violence-ag

Kids today are r-words that think everything happens to them is the first time and the last step before fascism.

It's always fuckin australia lol. Bunch of pussies.

[Reiwa]

Hmm, rape games not my cup of tea at all. But you've been able to kill hookers in GTA since like 2001 right? Is that comparatively wholesome or?? And don't you get to play as nazis in battlefield?

I don't get the logic here.

The Miller test references a prurient interest. GTA is more directly about stealing cars and doing other hoodrat stuff.

[OriginalContentGuy]

I'm skeptical of cannabinoids being materially different from mary-ja-hoochie.

It seems like High Times science.

Be skeptical but objective and honest and I will be the first to want to know your findings.

Here is a company whose products are sold around the country and I personally use them myself.

Mellow Fellow (https://mellowfellow.fun)

[shovelquest]

I hope there are finally kids in GTA 6.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I'm skeptical of cannabinoids being materially different from mary-ja-hoochie.

It seems like High Times science.

Are the other kinds better or stronger?

What if I took all the different kinds of pot at once?

https://i.redd.it/nyrvfcy22gv71.jpg

[shovelquest]

If I made a school shooting simulator, would it be against free speech and creativity for it to be banned lol

[Reiwa]

If I made a school shooting simulator, would it be against free speech and creativity for it to be banned lol

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[OriginalContentGuy]

If I made a school shooting simulator, would it be against free speech and creativity for it to be banned lol

..if you did?

[shovelquest]

eJVnL484jbk

Id like to see a list of the names of game that are getting banned from this collective shout thing.

I have a feeling they are all much worse than sewer shark.

[shovelquest]

..if you did?

Good point. If a schizo made one it would be banned.

But if GTA made one it would be controversial.

Like these sex games, that are made by shizos getting banned.

If they were good games they wouldn't be!

[OriginalContentGuy]

well GTA isn't gonna do it because they know better.
That game was created and banned already and Rockstar made that one too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_(video_game)

[Reiwa]

Id like to see a list of the names of game that are getting banned from this collective shout thing.

I have a feeling they are all much worse than sewer shark.

I tried to find that too but couldn't. Wonder why they're being so cagey in this dire emergency. :p

Five quatloos to the champion who completes this quest!

[shovelquest]

"They're banning games, help us fight for free speech!"

"What games!?"

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[Ciderpress]

When I was in 6th grade I got really into making doom levels, and the first one I made was my elementary school, just because it was a layout I knew well and I didnt even put any enemies in it I was just familiarizing myself with the software and the game engine but then a couple years later columbine happened and I was like ohhhhh god damnit I bet I'm on some list now.

[shovelquest]

When I was in 6th grade I got really into making doom levels, and the first one I made was my elementary school, just because it was a layout I knew well and I didnt even put any enemies in it I was just familiarizing myself with the software and the game engine but then a couple years later columbine happened and I was like ohhhhh god damnit I bet I'm on some list now.

danm dude i wish you immediately published it as a mod online and it became famous and was a part of all our retro nostalgia.

"did you play school doom??" is totally venacular I could see myself saying back in the 90s

[Reiwa]

Sometimes I'm really thankful for my contrary nature protecting me from internet perverts(Redditors) and their crusades.

[shovelquest]

Sometimes I'm really thankful for my contrary nature protecting me from internet perverts(Redditors) and their crusades.

You Fascist!

2bIDGDbupgE

[OriginalContentGuy]

Sometimes I'm really thankful for my contrary nature protecting me from internet perverts(Redditors) and their crusades.

Do you have anything you're thankful for you can share about contrary natures? Is it a skill you practiced innately well or did disciplined training or upbringing play a part?

[Ekco]

When I was in 6th grade I got really into making doom levels, and the first one I made was my elementary school, just because it was a layout I knew well and I didnt even put any enemies in it I was just familiarizing myself with the software and the game engine but then a couple years later columbine happened and I was like ohhhhh god damnit I bet I'm on some list now.

Unfathomably based, i remember getting like a bootleg Doom constructor kit cd-rom back in the day came with some cool prebuilt levels and models iirc

downloading mods for wolf and doom from the local BBS and having to use PKZIP was literal peak civilization i think.


>bet I'm on some list now.
you are, the list must be 8 digits+ long of people by now though

[shovelquest]

downloading mods for wolf and doom from the local BBS and having to use PKZIP was literal peak civilization i think.

The matrix was right, again.

[Reiwa]

Do you have anything you're thankful for you can share about contrary natures? Is it a skill you practiced innately well or did disciplined training or upbringing play a part?

I'm doing my best to ignore you because you seem like an enemy. :)

[Ekco]

went looking for a gif of Barney doom

https://i.imgur.com/jxo6tV4.gif

and got more than i bargained for
https://bimshwel.com/renk/barney/why.htm

[OriginalContentGuy]

I'm doing my best to ignore you because you seem like an enemy. :)

A ninja must look underneath the underneath. Nice headband

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/JnK4UL9.png Hi, im a cool and normal new player who just heard of this forum, and joined for the first time. What is your name little boy?

[shovelquest]

asmongold crashes out about collective shout and says "this isnt just rape games its also this great horror narrative game mouthwaashing"

But mouthwashing was never removed form steam.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2475490/Mouthwashing/

This is like the same group that just berged out over pirate software, just bergging out about the next not real gaming issue.

source of claim (removed bluesky post LOLOL https://www.reddit.com/r/horror/comments/1mbmlko/a_horror_game_called_mouthwashing_has_been/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

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[shovelquest]

https://itch.io/t/5136394/they-just-removed-mouthwashing-from-this-site-they-going-from-an-inch-to-a-mile

How it started:

https://i.imgur.com/ZkQjKgD.png

How it's going:

https://i.imgur.com/sxysxUa.png

https://i.imgur.com/iL0fxWz.png

[shovelquest]

TL;DR its all rape games.

[Cecily]

Good job Visa. Now go after furry games next.

[Reiwa]

TL;DR its all rape games.

https://c.tenor.com/o0ZkcYukqOgAAAAC/tenor.gif

[Ekco]

this is an instance where i think that poem actually applies, we gotta stand up for the rape games or next thing you know they'll be coming after the devil worshiping products like everquest, magic the gathering and dungeon and dragons.


>furry games
nevermind. actually, just burn everything to the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FctKV31pUps

[Reiwa]

this is an instance where i think that poem actually applies, we gotta stand up for the rape games or next thing you know they'll be coming after the devil worshiping products like everquest, magic the gathering and dungeon and dragons.


>furry games
nevermind. actually, just burn everything to the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FctKV31pUps

First they came for the rape games and I said hey good job.

Then they came for the rape game journalists and I said "make sure you get all the rape game journalists"

[Duik]

What if I am pro freedom of expression, but I am against sexualized content being available for kids with only online verification being the authenticator?

It might be helpful if we could see some non rape game examples that are taken down as a result of this ban.
God damn it shovel i fully agree with this.

Fuck you. And well done.

[atomicpaul]

What's your opinion?i've killed lots of people in games but never in real life. i've played the shoot JFK simulator. i played manhunt back in the day. i say let it play out, i won't go to bat for steam or any credit card company anyways. i also won't bother boycotting steam.

i kinda think fantasy, even violent ones, are something of a valve for frustration. that frustration comes from a lot of sources these days. we are already very far from the world we evolved to succeed in. it's too late to turn back.

i do boycott chick-fil-a, though.

[Botten]

Sadly yes a new platform is needed for some of these more adult games like "No Mercy."

Oh my the concept of that game is way too much Oedipus (Am not talking about the main character but the drug dependent son and mom tangent story) and without looking further I am sure the others listed by Reiwa that were removed is probably for the best.


Wow looking at sound complaints on the subject ....there has been a lot of controversy over games of this genre throughout the years ... Even the older ones ... R***Lay

Ha Ha... hot coffee was a funny example

Geez... I like my safe bubble of Everquest and WoW.

Steam is the mainstream way of getting games for all generations.

Having the separate platform with Patreon supporters and adult assurance is probably best.

As an old parent I am showing my conservatism here. I feel dirty. :(

[Reiwa]

0.01% 2473050 Sexual punishment for married girl who shoplifts Delisted 07/2025 ?

0.17% 2409130 Heavenly Badonkers Angel Bitches Delisted 07/2025 ?

0.11% 2645820 Back to the Fooker: Zombie Fooker 2 Delisted 07/2025 ?

0.38% 2691220 Ara Ara Auntie Incest Delisted 07/2025 ?

This would have been a lot easier if I had AI do it. (https://steam-tracker.com/)

[Ekco]

As an old parent I am showing my conservatism here. I feel dirty. :(

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to shovels point about da kids, I'm more concerned with VR Chat and Roblox being a magnet for actual predators than i am with erotic single player games for adults

as a society we dropped the ball down a fucking well on that shit.

single player games just builds character if you can manage to get your hands on one as a kid, i have fond memories of playing Leisure Suit Larry

[kjs86z2]

Cash is king, use it wherever you can.

In today's world of credit card rewards, this is no longer true unless you're getting a big cash discount.

[atomicpaul]

remember the boobs in daggerfall? that was porn video games in the 90's to me

[shovelquest]

https://c.tenor.com/_Ir5dmIZDKYAAAAd/tenor.gif


to shovels point about da kids, I'm more concerned with VR Chat and Roblox being a magnet for actual predators than i am with erotic single player games for adults

as a society we dropped the ball down a fucking well on that shit.

single player games just builds character if you can manage to get your hands on one as a kid, i have fond memories of playing Leisure Suit Larry

Victorians in space will make a comeback one day don’t worry.

I’m sure that like dancing and coloring outside the lines is gonna be frowned upon when outside the lines is -50,000° and radiation and no oxygen.

[Cecily]

remember the boobs in daggerfall? that was porn video games in the 90's to me
They had smut books on the bookshelves, too. The Real Barenziah had some extensive bodice ripping if I recall correctly. Whoever* wrote the Daggerfall books (https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Books) was a fantastic author. I'd spend hours reading and rereading the text file folder where they were all stored. A lot of them got carried over to later games.

*Looks like most were written by Ted Peterson. The Barenziah and King Edward books, a fairly huge chunk of the lore covering 25 books, were written by QA tester Marilyn Wasserman who the goddess Mara was named after.

[Ekco]

oh shit i need to download all the TES books for kaia

[OriginalContentGuy]

In today's world of credit card rewards, this is no longer true unless you're getting a big cash discount.

Aggregating your purchase history to assemble a psychometric profile which is resold to marketers at profit all while you are paying them to loan you money as part of a never ending global cycle of debt and interest is a reward? Serious question there asked without presupposition.

[Cecily]

"When you locate a bargain, you must ask, 'Why me, God? Why am I the only one who could find this bargain?'"

[loramin]

Look, at the end of the day you're either fine with Visa deciding what you can and can't play (censoring perfectly legal games) ... or you're not.

Also, it's important to understand that it's not just the banned games that you won't get to play: this will have a chilling effect on any future game that might have considered "pornographic" elements ... because game makers (fearing delisting) will now avoid anything that's even close to controversial.

You can clutch pearls all you want:

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Z_Eb_gATTkQAAAAC/wont-somebody-please-think-of-the-children-think-of-the-children.gif

But this isn't about protecting children: it's about censoring adults.

[Cecily]

100%. And with what's going on in the UK, how long do we have before we're doing facial scans for everything? I refused to use Intragram when they pulled that scan your license shit on me years ago. It feels like they're taking the mask off and being a hell of lot more overt about please insert yourself into this database. You know? To protect the children.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Look, at the end of the day you're either fine with Visa deciding what you can and can't play (censoring perfectly legal games) ... or you're not.

Also, it's important to understand that it's not just the banned games that you won't get to play: this will have a chilling effect on any future game that might have considered "pornographic" elements ... because game makers (fearing delisting) will now avoid anything that's even close to controversial.

You can clutch pearls all you want:

But this isn't about protecting children: it's about censoring adults.

Okay and yes it is censorship I 100% agree. But has Valve condemned the games officially or not beyond admitting they removed them? It's their platform, is it not? I don't see how hard it would be for an official statement saying: 'We own our decision and the decision is ours despite pressure from our payment processors. And we removed the games because we don't want to platform them and won't be monetizing or platforming these games from now on.'

Edit: I don't use steam and haven't for over 15 years. Does steam have a large 'forums' that anyone with a steamid can post in natively? I can see how that being a factor could complicate and might then lead to more censorship like banning mentioning SA games and how that's a slippery slope and perfectly valid concern to want to anticipate.

[shovelquest]

it's about censoring adults.

While they hang out with children.

[Reiwa]

But this isn't about protecting children: it's about censoring adults.

Yeah but I hate adults AND their profligacy.

[shovelquest]

this will have a chilling effect on any future game that might have considered "pornographic" elements

I am ok with that.

[shovelquest]

You know, if we just open up AI you can make whatever sick fantasy you want and we can be rid of all this regulation.

Loramin, how do you feel about being able to make deepfake porn of famous actresses and or other people?

[kjs86z2]

Aggregating your purchase history to assemble a psychometric profile which is resold to marketers at profit all while you are paying them to loan you money as part of a never ending global cycle of debt and interest is a reward? Serious question there asked without presupposition.

idk man i just know i fly / stay for free a lot and im willing to give up my purchase history data for that

ive never paid a cent of CC interest

but yeah, seize the means of production or whatever you're into

[OriginalContentGuy]

idk man i just know i fly / stay for free a lot and im willing to give up my purchase history data for that

ive never paid a cent of CC interest

but yeah, seize the means of production or whatever you're into

The intelligent and quick will amass wealth in any age in my experience. But psychopaths are something else and I understand such people who lack empathy for others exist. I'm not deducing or reaching that conclusion about you at all, nor your reason. Respect where it's due and if you respect me I respect you.

[Eagish]

Psychopaths are easy to find, just look to your top 100 CEOs.

[shovelquest]

Psychopaths are easy to find, just look to your top 100 CEOs.

The duality of man is pretty interesting.

Like from any generation you can say the hunters tend to be psychopaths and the gatherers rely on them but shake their heads while they do it.

[OriginalContentGuy]

The duality of man is pretty interesting.

Like from any generation you can say the hunters tend to be psychopaths and the gatherers rely on them but shake their heads while they do it.

Do you think you can be a 'wolf' without being a psychopath?

[OriginalContentGuy]

Didn't you want good questions Shov? Speak up! This is a democracy.

If governments are parliaments of whores then in a democracy the whores are us.

[Eagish]

The duality of man is pretty interesting.

Like from any generation you can say the hunters tend to be psychopaths and the gatherers rely on them but shake their heads while they do it.

Setting aside the assumption that gatherers depended on hunters when the reality seems to be the other way around in the vast majority of cultures historically, that seems inaccurate on its face as well. Psychopaths may be hunters (or gatherers), but not all hunters (or gatherers) are psychopaths.

The features that make a psychopath simply tend to be beneficial in corporate culture - aggression, narcissism, blame-shifting, lack of empathy, delusions of grandeur, etc.

[atomicpaul]

You know, if we just open up AI you can make whatever sick fantasy you want and we can be rid of all this regulation.

Loramin, how do you feel about being able to make deepfake porn of famous actresses and or other people?you ever read the culture novels by iain banks?

if not, you oughta.

[shovelquest]

Do you think you can be a 'wolf' without being a psychopath?

depends on how the cells mutate and conditions ripen you and then if you can survive living among psychopaths that want to eat you, sure.

you ever read the culture novels by iain banks?

if not, you oughta.

ok

[shovelquest]

Setting aside the assumption that gatherers depended on hunters when the reality seems to be the other way around in the vast majority of cultures historically, that seems inaccurate on its face as well. Psychopaths may be hunters (or gatherers), but not all hunters (or gatherers) are psychopaths.

The features that make a psychopath simply tend to be beneficial in corporate culture - aggression, narcissism, blame-shifting, lack of empathy, delusions of grandeur, etc.

if you mean the pencil factory relies on pencil makers not the guy who built the pencil factory then that is just cope.

you can live without the hunters by eating berries sure but the hunters keep bringing sizzling steaks and cool skull crowns back to the camp.

So Im gonna just keep handing over berries to trade them for some of that.

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[atomicpaul]

Setting aside the assumption that gatherers depended on hunters when the reality seems to be the other way around in the vast majority of cultures historically, that seems inaccurate on its face as well. Psychopaths may be hunters (or gatherers), but not all hunters (or gatherers) are psychopaths.

The features that make a psychopath simply tend to be beneficial in corporate culture - aggression, narcissism, blame-shifting, lack of empathy, delusions of grandeur, etc.confirmed, anyone who suggests a book like who moved my cheese is just a mindful sociopath in training.

all of those corporate self-help books are just sociopath manuals... how to make every human relationship transactional. if your friends don't financially benefit you, cut them from your life. doing a swot analysis on whether or not to get divorced.

[OriginalContentGuy]

depends on how the cells mutate and conditions ripen you.

so, sure.

I was asking you specifically Shov because you use metaphor and wolf is a metaphor and anyone following this thread including you can and I hope you will please speak up if you disagree. But I am typing this while expecting you to type your reply and waiting to post until you do because I could always be wrong and if that's the case I'd rather drink from your well than risk poisoning it with something fraudulent or deceptive if you can demonstrate that my conclusions don't hold water.

In my experience not only can you be a wolf, you can be a wolf and have empathy, and further it's possible for even a wolf to be vegan. And we are all animals who eat to survive and vary in our strengths and weaknesses and we all do the best we can. You can be a wolf (figuratively) and still be reasonable and critical about what you eat. I've never met a predator of any species who didn't have their own mind to make up about whether something is worth doing, regardless of their motivations.

I think that only a fool or a psycho would deliberately kill when there's a better choice available that satisfies the recognition of a problem and that the chooser freely accepts as being better, for whom the choice passes all efforts to dismiss it as fraudulent or as a deception by other wolves, and obviates the need to take life. And among all living beings who know sickness, old age, and death - who would dismiss a wise and compassionate physician, who himself appears in a form pleasing and agreeable to the one who is sick, who freely offers a cure for their illness asking nothing else but for them to be aware of the circumstances that caused it?

[shovelquest]

Yeah we basically agree, but I also am saying that in general the bad wolves will eat the good wolves unless the good wolves are really smart and so overall youll havea majority of bad wolves over time.

WHICH is why god made the gatherer, to convince the good wolves to die for them by fighting against the bad wolves so the ones left over can live in peace and then the grandchildren of the gatherers can demand they get to take the stuff the good hunters provided for them from the grandchildren of the good wolves that survived the fight and constantly say that they don't need them.

[OriginalContentGuy]

Yeah we basically agree, but I also am saying that in general the bad wolves will eat the good wolves unless the good wolves are really smart and so overall youll havea majority of bad wolves over time.

WHICH is why god made the gatherer, to convince the good wolves to die for them by fighting against the bad wolves so the ones left over can live in peace and then the grandchildren of the gatherers can demand they get to take the stuff the good hunters provided for them from the grandchildren of the good wolves that survived the fight and constantly say that they don't need them.

It seems to me that rhetoric isn't about truth but persuasion, and the persuasiveness of one's rhetoric is its own truth independent of the content. But I hold the following to be true for people: first comes a full stomach; good and evil come after that. And so when you use those terms and also use words like God and prophecy in your conversation I have to question if you can be trusted to be right, and whether or not you yourself are hungry or have enough to eat.

And I hope you do because no matter what, if you decide I'm not a friend as Tupac said: Just because you lost me as a friend, doesn't mean you gained me as an enemy. I still wanna see you eat, just not at my table.'

I think we all must trust in each others' ability to decide and judge and solicit help from others who may themselves build tables or who have traveled the world and examined in detail tables you have yet to even comprehend let alone seat yourself upon. We all stand on giants shoulders and the journals of those great heroes as inheritors of their legacy as our traditions. Only by studying their journals and testimonies can we possibly hope to a future not fated to undergo their same mistakes and failures.

[WarpathEQ]

TLDR thread but would be pretty awkward if they did a study and found out that these types of games actually contribute to reducing sexual assault and crimes in the real world and that by banning them they are effectively advocating for people to be assaulted.

[Reiwa]

TLDR thread but would be pretty awkward if they did a study and found out that these types of games actually contribute to reducing sexual assault and crimes in the real world and that by banning them they are effectively advocating for people to be assaulted.

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[Ekco]

TLDR thread but would be pretty awkward if they did a study and found out that these types of games actually contribute to reducing sexual assault and crimes in the real world and that by banning them they are effectively advocating for people to be assaulted.

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[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Aggregating your purchase history to assemble a psychometric profile which is resold to marketers at profit all while you are paying them to loan you money as part of a never ending global cycle of debt and interest is a reward? Serious question there asked without presupposition.

A rich progressive friend of mine does “churning” which he’s described as going onto a Reddit thread to find the current credit cards that offer the most $ rewards

He then spends whatever it takes to reach the reward by using the card for all of his purchases. Then claims the reward, pays off the card, then cancels the card

The credit cards I believe are losing money with this practice and it shows because they often discover they have made the lists as a churn target and stop their rewards in response

And my friend hates big banks and credit card companies and sees this practice as sticking it to them, or essentially legally scamming them

I can’t post more about it though because I don’t want to deal with this forum being bogged down by 50,000 or whatever guest bots which it currently is

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

TLDR thread but would be pretty awkward if they did a study and found out that these types of games actually contribute to reducing sexual assault and crimes in the real world and that by banning them they are effectively advocating for people to be assaulted.

I wondered this with the advance in technology allowing pedo’s to have VR sex with digital children

Would it help to protect IRL children, or would it cause them to want the “real thing” even more

I fear the latter though

Edit: and the reason for fearing the latter is that due to the junk dopamine fix of porn in general, people that have a problem with it tend to continue to seek more and more taboo or otherwise abnormal kinds in order to continue to shock and infuse their developing porn dopamine tolerance. Which is one of my many critiques of porn as being unhealthy

[Ekco]

The credit cards I believe are losing money with this practice

depends on the company also, like Sofi,Chime and these newer banking apps / stock trading apps are juicing their numbers by offering 100 bucks if you refer a friend, free stocks, good yield on your saving account etc..etc are doing it to boost numbers so their stock price goes up. Apparently it's worth it to buy customers if on paper it looks like you got incredible growth Sofi is 21 bucks a share and it was 10 back in April.

robinhood has gone from 35 to over a 100 since April

and all these apps are offering banking services now, like Chase and BOA are turbo fucked when geezers kick the bucket i think

edit: also the math is way different as you go up the income scale, like the rich people cards that offer insane rewards, it's worth it for them to have that person as a customer

[loramin]

I wondered this with the advance in technology allowing pedo’s to have VR sex with digital children

Would it help to protect IRL children, or would it cause them to want the “real thing” even more

I fear the latter though

Edit: and the reason for fearing the latter is that due to the junk dopamine fix of porn in general, people that have a problem with it tend to continue to seek more and more taboo or otherwise abnormal kinds in order to continue to shock and infuse their developing porn dopamine tolerance. Which is one of my many critiques of porn as being unhealthy

There was already an "experiment", of sorts, conducted in Japan. They previously had child porn legal there, and then a few years back they made it legal. A win for everyone (or at least children who don't like being raped), right?

Actually, no: the number of reported child abuse cases went up, dramatically (see the third slide of this presentation): https://www.fmu.ac.jp/home/public_h/ebm/materials/images/5.Terui_Recent%20trend%20of%20child%20sexual%20abu se%20handout.pdf).

It turns out, child predators already have plenty of incentive not to rape children; that's not the problem. It's like when the penalty for murder is 40 years in prison, and politicians change it to 50: it doesn't lower the murder rate, because no one thinks "well if it's only 40 years I'm totally going to kill this guy, but if it's 50 fuck that".

Same issue with sex offenders: it's not that there isn't enough deterrence, it's that they have (sick) urges which cause them to harm others despite the consequences. More threats don't help ... but giving those people an outlet for their urges, which doesn't harm anyone else, does.

If anyone is interested in learning more (doubtful in this forum), this article You’re 16. You’re a Pedophile. You Don’t Want to Hurt Anyone. What Do You Do Now? (https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophile-you-dont-want-to-hurt-anyone-what-do-you-do-now-e11ce4b88bdb) is fascinating. If people really want to stop child rape, it begins with understanding the sex offender as a human being ... but our own (human) biases make us want to do the exact opposite (and so, child sex abuse continues ... while idiots continue to pointlessly censor video games).

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

^
Agree on many points. A harsher sentence typically is not going to on its own create deterrence because criminals IMO (as someone that watches a lot of tru crime) are typically very stupid people who tend to assume they won’t get caught, no matter how harsh the sentence

However

Longer sentences still serve to physically protect the public via quarantining the threat away for longer

Of course we all hope for rehabilitation, but the rates of rehabilitation for sex offenders and pedo’s are some of the record lowest of any disorder, from I’ve heard. Of course the argument can be made that the rates are so low because of the methods and societies perception of the perpetrator. But it’s a chicken or the egg argument, is the perception based on the fact a lot of lay people do realize the rates of rehabilitation for this disorder are low, and have thus become disenfranchised with the idea of continuing to spend resources trying

/shrug

[Reiwa]

There was already an "experiment", of sorts, conducted in Japan. They previously had child porn legal there, and then a few years back they made it legal. A win for everyone (or at least children who don't like being raped), right?

Actually, no: the number of reported child abuse cases went up, dramatically (see the third slide of this presentation): https://www.fmu.ac.jp/home/public_h/ebm/materials/images/5.Terui_Recent%20trend%20of%20child%20sexual%20abu se%20handout.pdf).

It turns out, child predators already have plenty of incentive not to rape children; that's not the problem. It's like when the penalty for murder is 40 years in prison, and politicians change it to 50: it doesn't lower the murder rate, because no one thinks "well if it's only 40 years I'm totally going to kill this guy, but if it's 50 fuck that".

Same issue with sex offenders: it's not that there isn't enough deterrence, it's that they have (sick) urges which cause them to harm others despite the consequences. More threats don't help ... but giving those people an outlet for their urges, which doesn't harm anyone else, does.

If anyone is interested in learning more (doubtful in this forum), this article You’re 16. You’re a Pedophile. You Don’t Want to Hurt Anyone. What Do You Do Now? (https://medium.com/matter/youre-16-youre-a-pedophile-you-dont-want-to-hurt-anyone-what-do-you-do-now-e11ce4b88bdb) is fascinating. If people really want to stop child rape, it begins with understanding the sex offender as a human being ... but our own (human) biases make us want to do the exact opposite (and so, child sex abuse continues ... while idiots continue to pointlessly censor video games).

Are children born racist or is it a learned behavior?

[Reiwa]

Noone is born cursed, ok? Noone.

[loramin]

Noone is born cursed, ok? Noone.

Read the article I linked (You’re 16. You’re a Pedophile. You Don’t Want to Hurt Anyone. What Do You Do Now?). These are 16-year old kids: they don't want to be pedophiles!

Whether it's nature or nuture is irrelevant: being a 16-year old with the urge to molest children counts as "cursed" in my book.

[Ciderpress]

"Gun free zones" totally stop mass shootings, because criminals see that sign and go "Oh ok, I guess I'm not allowed to bring this gun in there to do my mass shooting. Nevermind. Guess I'll go volunteer for doctors without borders."

[Reiwa]

Read the article I linked (You’re 16. You’re a Pedophile. You Don’t Want to Hurt Anyone. What Do You Do Now?). These are 16-year old kids: they don't want to be pedophiles!

Whether it's nature or nuture is irrelevant: being a 16-year old with the urge to molest children counts as "cursed" in my book.

The best way to heal a broken leg is not a cast or a cane, but to reenact breaking your leg everyday for the rest of your natural life.

[red_demonman]

As a fellow gamer, these games are absolutely not needed and should gtfo of Steam etc. Good job Visa/Mastercard. Maybe someone could make a platform for degenerates and call it "SmutGamingHub" or something idk.

[Swish]

As a fellow gamer, these games are absolutely not needed and should gtfo of Steam etc. Good job Visa/Mastercard. Maybe someone could make a platform for degenerates and call it "SmutGamingHub" or something idk.

I'd be more worried for the precedent it sets on a wider scale. Cash is still king for local businesses.

[loramin]

The best way to heal a broken leg is not a cast or a cane, but to reenact breaking your leg everyday for the rest of your natural life.

The best way to handle any problem is not to look at evidence and use reason ... it's to go with whatever your first instinct is, and stick to that "solution" no matter how poorly it works.

[loramin]

I'd be more worried for the precedent it sets on a wider scale. Cash is still king for local businesses.

Exactly. It's going to be far more than just the banned games that are impacted; any game that doesn't want to be kicked off Steam is going to avoid adult elements as a result of this.

[WarpathEQ]

As a fellow gamer, these games are absolutely not needed and should gtfo of Steam etc. Good job Visa/Mastercard. Maybe someone could make a platform for degenerates and call it "SmutGamingHub" or something idk.

I haven't really looked into it but pretty sure this is already popping up as gaming, AI, and sex all intersect into big money. Pretty sure AI sex games are quickly becoming an industry or possibly just an evolution of the existing adult film industry.

[Duik]

We could, alternatively keep a closer eye on what our children are actually watching/downloading/playing.
Granted not everyone can look at everything their kids are into. Tablets/phones/computers while appear to be good at babysitting, have zero protections with regards to monitoring age appropriate use.

In before, A.I doesnt cut it. It may work, until it suggests cutting yourself as therapy.

If ya kid secretly cannot stop playing/watching this sort of content then its just gods plan and anyways, the "zoo" always needs more Elephants.

[arvidez]

my first nudie was in a magazine i found at the dump. my older cousin snatched it from me, but not before i saw a woman slicing her boob into a salad like a tomato.

[Cecily]

How do you delete someone else's comment?

[atomicpaul]

Noone is born cursed, ok? Noone.then why baptize?

[Ciderpress]

I increasingly think the amish have the right idea. Ignorance is bliss; exempt yourself from modern society and you'll never know what you're missing, and what you're "missing" is a lot of stuff that makes people miserable like feminism and videogames and social media

[Ekco]

then why baptize?

https://media.tenor.com/BDDae-wak8EAAAAM/oh-really-seriously.gif

[atomicpaul]

I increasingly think the amish have the right idea. Ignorance is bliss; exempt yourself from modern society and you'll never know what you're missing, and what you're "missing" is a lot of stuff that makes people miserable like feminism and videogames and social mediathe only people who are made miserable by feminism are the very people it's meant to target. i am sorry your ongoing problems with it have made dating impossible, but i think it's you who needs to change, or you'll always be pushing that boulder up that hill.

[Ekco]

the only people who are made miserable by feminism are the very people it's meant to target. i am sorry your ongoing problems with it have made dating impossible, but i think it's you who needs to change, or you'll always be pushing that boulder up that hill.

we should always strive for a perfect world, but if i'd had to guess i'd assume toxic relationships have actually increased not decreased in the last 15 years.

Annie Lennox & Dave Stewart wrote a song about it once if i'm not mistaken.

[shovelquest]

the only people who are made miserable by feminism are the very people it's meant to target. i am sorry your ongoing problems with it have made dating impossible, but i think it's you who needs to change, or you'll always be pushing that boulder up that hill.

You just like it so senpais will notice you but they are too busy eyefucking those guys it’s supposed to target.

[Reiwa]

then why baptize?

Galatians 3:13

[shovelquest]

Where are at with letting kids make deep fake porn of movie stars and their teachers for their own consumption?

Because that should be way more legal than making sex communities in games for adults to hang with kids.

[Ekco]

Where are at with letting kids make deep fake porn of movie stars and their teachers for their own consumption?
pro
sex communities in games for adults to hang with kids.
against

this is easy, they should put me in charge

[Jimjam]

Isn’t VISA choosing whether they want smutty customers free speech? I wouldn’t want to be forced into business relationships with degenerates either.

[Ekco]

Isn’t VISA choosing whether they want smutty customers free speech? I wouldn’t want to be forced into business relationships with degenerates either.

only thing i could think of that they could argue, think freedom has to win out here

"Gooner" is not a protected characteristic: The ADA protects individuals with disabilities. A disability is defined as a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities. "Gooner" is not recognized as a disability or protected characteristic under the ADA.

i'm open for debates on if it's a disability or not though, lulz.

[Reiwa]

Where are at with letting kids make deep fake porn of movie stars and their teachers for their own consumption?

Because that should be way more legal than making sex communities in games for adults to hang with kids.

‘It’s super disrespectful’: WNBA players exasperated after sex toy thrown onto court (https://lite.cnn.com/2025/08/02/sport/wnba-sex-toy-spt)

[Duik]

‘It’s super disrespectful’: WNBA players exasperated after sex toy thrown onto court (https://lite.cnn.com/2025/08/02/sport/wnba-sex-toy-spt)

From the article...
Indiana Fever guard Sophie Cunningham echoed Harrison’s anger, writing: “Stop throwing dildos on the court… you’re going to hurt one of us.”

Thrown without lube? Or just too big.

[Ekco]

‘It’s super disrespectful’: WNBA players exasperated after sex toy thrown onto court (https://lite.cnn.com/2025/08/02/sport/wnba-sex-toy-spt)

From the article...

Indiana Fever guard Sophie Cunningham echoed Harrison’s anger, writing: “Stop throwing dildos on the court…

https://c.tenor.com/HxeSO1yA-gIAAAAd/tenor.gif
i mean.. people shouldn't do that obviously but holy fuck that's hilarious

i have a dream of a world so equal that everyone can admit freely that is it indeed funny also

[Swish]

I think I recently saw a WNBA photo with a bunch of players wearing shirts saying "PAY US WHAT WE DESERVE" or something like it.

They deserve more than dildos.

[Ekco]

before it was, the advertising dollars coming in for WNBA was not only paying them what they "deserve" but the NBA itself was subsidizing the pay iirc

pretty sure it's not a problem anymore though with viewership skyrocketing, jersey sales ^, sneaker deals i assume? like Jordan didn't become a billionaire from actually playing Ball it was all the other shit

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I think I recently saw a WNBA photo with a bunch of players wearing shirts saying "PAY US WHAT WE DESERVE" or something like it.

They deserve more than dildos.

If it’s meant as a troll, then we are assuming someone who doesn’t like WNBA at all paid money for a dildo and then paid more money to go to a game to throw it?

Nah, I’m going with those are from the fans who were using them on themselves in the stands and it got loose

[shovelquest]

I thought they were getting what they deserve, that's why it so much less?

[Reiwa]

before it was, the advertising dollars coming in for WNBA was not only paying them what they "deserve" but the NBA itself was subsidizing the pay iirc

pretty sure it's not a problem anymore though with viewership skyrocketing, jersey sales ^, sneaker deals i assume? like Jordan didn't become a billionaire from actually playing Ball it was all the other shit

WNBA TV deal is worth a bit less(2.2bil/11yr) than the MLS deal(2.5bil/10yr).

Lionel Messi is highest paid MLS player at 20mil/year.

Jackie Young is highest paid WNBA player at 250k/year.

This is probably a really stupid comparison.

[Ekco]

it's not stupid, it's perfectly apt that's my point, like a billion+ more people care about footy ball than wnba or nba for that matter

aint no wnba hooligans stabbin eachother, i haven't watched a single game but it feels artificial to me.

like they found two great players to have a rivalry + some people who understood viral/social marketing and made it a thing, just like radio used to make or break a band, they play what they want you to hear

i got no beef with the athletes or the game but 10,000% growth overnight is what irks me, someone decided we're gonna make this popular and it worked.

[shovelquest]

hRgOxZ6twA8

[Ekco]

the friend referenced in that clip is pretty hilarious also

rAQ2AWnSFe4

[Ciderpress]

hRgOxZ6twA8

I seriously thought that was KJP for a minute there

[shovelquest]

the friend referenced in that clip is pretty hilarious also

rAQ2AWnSFe4

I love how shane hates this crap lmao but they are best friends.

[Reiwa]

it happened again

https://i.imgur.com/SShgM75.png

[shovelquest]

it happened again

https://i.imgur.com/SShgM75.png

what did a dildo fall out of one of their shorts?

[Ekco]

is this actually a thing? how many dildos are being flung on the court of these WNBA games?

fuckin... stop it lol, WNBA is serious business.

i don't even like basketball AT ALL male or female but god damn...

[shovelquest]

Calling this basketball is like calling pickleball tennis.

:o

[Swish]

is this actually a thing? how many dildos are being flung on the court of these WNBA games?

fuckin... stop it lol, WNBA is serious business.

i don't even like basketball AT ALL male or female but god damn...

You'd think security would be removing all dildos from spectators at this point, so the fans need to up their game to butt plugs.

[Reiwa]

You'd think security would be removing all dildos from spectators at this point, so the fans need to up their game to butt plugs.

That would mean the terrorists win.

[shovelquest]

Swish is there drama in the UK about some internet laws or is that just internet hype over here?

[Eagish]

Someone got arrested for the dildo throw, the first one afaik, and I suspect they're gonna get roasted in the courts and the media. Should bring out a lot of haters and white knights on the various sides of axe grinders here, so get your popcorn.

[Swish]

Swish is there drama in the UK about some internet laws or is that just internet hype over here?

I use a VPN unless I'm playing a game so I haven't noticed much difference but apparently if you watch a pokemon/etc video on youtube then decide to go and watch something an adult would straight after like a video on Israel/Palestine/Ukraine it can trigger for ID etc. There's so many eyebrow raising stories.

There's been a petition for a general election with over 100k signatures (not many petitions get past 10k so its definitely causing a stir).

People just want to be left alone but the government can't stop encroaching on people's lives. Keir Starmer is arguably the weakest PM (thats been elected from a general election) since Neville Chamberlain (the guy who didn't want to go to war with Hitler in 1939).

He hasn't stopped the migrant boats (we have a military that's getting paid, it could process/assess offshore), he took the winter fuel allowance away from the elderly who can't afford to heat their homes when it gets to freezing temperatures, and now this rushed Online Safety Act just makes him look even more out of touch with voters. As always the alternatives to him wouldn't be much better :o

[Reiwa]

I use a VPN unless I'm playing a game so I haven't noticed much difference but apparently if you watch a pokemon/etc video on youtube then decide to go and watch something an adult would straight after like a video on Israel/Palestine/Ukraine it can trigger for ID etc. There's so many eyebrow raising stories.

There's been a petition for a general election with over 100k signatures (not many petitions get past 10k so its definitely causing a stir).

People just want to be left alone but the government can't stop encroaching on people's lives. Keir Starmer is arguably the weakest PM (thats been elected from a general election) since Neville Chamberlain (the guy who didn't want to go to war with Hitler in 1939).

He hasn't stopped the migrant boats (we have a military that's getting paid, it could process/assess offshore), he took the winter fuel allowance away from the elderly who can't afford to heat their homes when it gets to freezing temperatures, and now this rushed Online Safety Act just makes him look even more out of touch with voters. As always the alternatives to him wouldn't be much better :o

What happens if you try to watch the Bonnie Blue doc they had on Channel 4? (https://nypost.com/2025/08/03/entertainment/viewers-horrified-after-doc-about-adult-star-who-slept-with-1000-men-airs-on-tv-literal-porn/)

[Swish]

What happens if you try to watch the Bonnie Blue doc they had on Channel 4? (https://nypost.com/2025/08/03/entertainment/viewers-horrified-after-doc-about-adult-star-who-slept-with-1000-men-airs-on-tv-literal-porn/)

Police probably turn up lmao

[shovelquest]

This is just like that scene in robinhood when they are upset about the kings deer or something.

[Ekco]

the tech companies are basically at war with UK/Euro zone if it wasn't for that market and their consumer protection rules the internet/our rights would already be greatly diminished.

[shovelquest]

Oh noo we streatched losing all our rights out to degrade over 30 years instead of 10 or 15.

That was a mistake, man.

We'd already be rebuilding after ww3.

But noooOOOoOo we had to try to stretch it out and now we have friggen drones and AI bombs.

[Ekco]

yeah... this is like when you play a RTS and everyone is lame and you build up your tech tree for 40 years.

isn't a good game.

that being said, anyone wanna play Total Annihilation lol?

https://taesc.tauniverse.com/guide/images/rocko.gif
https://totalannihilation.fandom.com/wiki/Spring_project

Features
• Battles with up to 250 players, and 50,000 units.

[Reiwa]

"Infiniti Money Glitch

1) Buy a WNBA ticket ($29.99)
2) Buy a blue dildo ($15.00)
3) Max bet blue dildo at $5,000
4) Throw blue dildo onto the court

Profit: $69,955.01"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxXdOKDWAAAorLS?format=jpg&name=large

[Reiwa]

Someone got arrested for the dildo throw, the first one afaik, and I suspect they're gonna get roasted in the courts and the media. Should bring out a lot of haters and white knights on the various sides of axe grinders here, so get your popcorn.

A person accused of throwing a sex toy onto the court during the Golden State Valkyries' 77-75 victory over the Atlanta Dream last week has now been charged with several offenses. Delbert Carver was arrested on Saturday, August 2, and booked at the Clayton County Jail in Jonesboro, Georgia.

Who is Delbert Carver?

Carver is 23 years old and has been booked on counts of disorderly conduct, public indecency/indecent exposure, and criminal trespass. However, he was released on an undisclosed bond on Sunday, August 3. Clayton County court records obtained by USA Today said that the case is "pending," and a court date has yet to be determined.

[Swish]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxXdOKDWAAAorLS?format=jpg&name=large

Betting for degenerates, I love it

[shovelquest]

H_cn_vkJQ_o

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Police probably turn up lmao

If you want UK porn to be broadcast just have immigrants make it? Then anyone complaining will be arrested for hate speech

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Is there still any doubt about the purchasing power of pedophiles? She made $1 mil on her 18th bday

Further proof that we will never see the Epstein client list

https://i.imgur.com/IQyr6Xc_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

[Reiwa]

Is there still any doubt about the purchasing power of pedophiles? She made $1 mil on her 18th bday

Further proof that we will never see the Epstein client list

https://i.imgur.com/IQyr6Xc_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

I thought Tay was the Microsoft AI that went all Hitlery?


Who's Lil Tay?

[Reiwa]

Well 3 minutes into a video explaining her, that's horrid.

https://i.imgur.com/2aqwwA5.png

[Reiwa]

I went looking for news on the thing in the OP

https://i.imgur.com/Vr2MqSq.png

[shovelquest]

lol

[Reiwa]

Crypto group claims it’s behind the sex toys being thrown at WNBA players (https://nypost.com/2025/08/07/sports/crypto-group-claims-its-behind-the-sex-toys-being-thrown-at-wnba-players/)

WTB morality police

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Crypto group claims it’s behind the sex toys being thrown at WNBA players (https://nypost.com/2025/08/07/sports/crypto-group-claims-its-behind-the-sex-toys-being-thrown-at-wnba-players/)

WTB morality police

lol unsurprising to see a crypto group wasting money (on dildos and WNBA game tix)

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

https://i.imgur.com/j7fqBMS_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

[Swish]

I chortled

[Ciderpress]

I don't remember the nwo complaining when they first formed at bash at the beach

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

https://i.imgur.com/4K8FMEg_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/wWbmKPY.jpeg

[shovelquest]

I just saw on asmongold that this is a maga issue now Im totally behind OP and will stand to stop VISA against these crimes against free speach!

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/wWbmKPY.jpeg

Collective Shout talked to them, but I think it was an email.

[shovelquest]

The way this is being manipulated to be a VISA choice and not just a group of tenacious women is really annoying me.

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/AjA2PS0.png

downloaded itch just to see wtf the fuss was about and played one of those visual novel "games"

grabbed a random non sex one and it was alright, not good enough to finish playing it though

https://nthcircle.itch.io/marchenline

[Reiwa]

The way this is being manipulated to be a VISA choice and not just a group of tenacious women is really annoying me.

2gGJO_JQcsM

[Reiwa]

Scowls at you, ready to attack (https://time.com/7288539/kids-online-safety-act-status-what-to-know/)

Calling out giant social media platforms, in particular, Kennedy went on to say: “We, as a country, have seen these companies and industries take advantage of the addiction-for-profit. Purdue, tobacco. Social media's the next big one. And unfortunately, it's going to have to be litigated. We have to go after the devastating impact that these companies are having on our kids.”

Health organizations including The American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association, have pushed Congress to pass KOS-A to better protect young people online—and see the bill as a potential way to intervene with the detrimental impact social media and Internet usage in general can have on one’s mental health.

[atomicpaul]

the kids will miss out on glorious content

SDe6upsH-Xc?si

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

https://i.imgur.com/t3mSiME.jpeg

[shovelquest]

I don't think kids should be allowed to use cell phones. I really dont. When i grew up if you got caught smoking by a cop he'd write you a ticket. I think kids should face that if they are caught holding a phone.

Straight up18 and over. I really don't think we'd be doing anything but giving back all the shit the phone stole from youth, so fuck them when they complain about their druggy-druggy apps getting taken.

[Ekco]

i don't think alpha, zoomers, genX or boomers should be allowed on the internet

BUT HERE WE ARE.

[shovelquest]

i don't think alpha, zoomers, genX or boomers should be allowed on the internet

BUT HERE WE ARE.

I wouldn't mind if they were sitting in their dads office using a PC but on a phone, no!

[shovelquest]

BUT HERE WE ARE.

I hope we all die soon.

https://i.imgur.com/zVS1sN8.png

[Ekco]

I hope we all die soon.


i hope we all start to live soon.

the dead know only one thing, it is better to be alive

/sip

[shovelquest]

lmao sory that post was too depressing.

Life is great and fun I enjoy every minuet of waiting in line at the TSA and paying $1900 to see grandma.

[Ekco]

just live to bare witness then

that's the type of shit i'm on these days

[Ekco]

lmao sory that post was too depressing.


i'm 14 beers deep, if you wanna go there we can ;P

https://i.imgur.com/EX7MEw7.jpeg

[Reiwa]

i don't think alpha, zoomers, genX or boomers should be allowed on the internet

BUT HERE WE ARE.

Oh, right. Eternal September is over. I had not realized. (https://apnews.com/article/aol-shuts-down-dial-up-internet-275a81f8a725619663437350b7c7ed36)

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/t3mSiME.jpeg

I don't recall the anti-terrorism measures being all that bad. There's certainly been a lot worse in the intervening years.

We did recently get our shoes back so hooray for that.

[shovelquest]

i'm 14 beers deep, if you wanna go there we can ;P

https://i.imgur.com/EX7MEw7.jpeg

lmao thats one way to pass the time for a trillion years :p

based eq screenshot in the bg

[Reiwa]

Cocaine Mike needs to hurry his ass up (https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/1748/cosponsors?s=1&r=1&q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22Kids+Online+Safety+Act%22%7 D)

[Reiwa]

A Steam account believed to belong to the suspect reveals he downloaded and played a dating simulator titled "Furry Shades of Gay." (https://ecoti.in/PfN8OY)

The game bills itself as a mix of “love, queer relationships, hot gay sex, and slapstick humor.” According to a December 2020 Steam listing, players are promised “24 hot, animated, fully voiced s*x scenes.”

[Botten]

The game bills itself as a mix of “love, queer relationships, hot gay sex, and slapstick humor.” According to a December 2020 Steam listing, players are promised “24 hot, animated, fully voiced s*x scenes.”

Heard Grindr was also down at the rally er.. memorial. Perhaps a popular problem with all walks of 'those people' (.....what I can't generalize too)?

The Economic Times (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economic-times/)

oof..
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY


I wonder if we should contemplate the guy's steam account name too... especially if he cosplayed the same guy on Halloween.

[Ekco]

The game bills itself as a mix of “love, queer relationships, hot gay sex, and slapstick humor.” According to a December 2020 Steam listing, players are promised “24 hot, animated, fully voiced s*x scenes.”


what being raised mormon can do to a motherfucker...

also, just noticed this looking at his steam profile, lulz.

https://i.imgur.com/8ZX4BJw.png

[Evia]

what being raised mormon can do to a motherfucker...

also, just noticed this looking at his steam profile, lulz.

https://i.imgur.com/8ZX4BJw.png

I was born and raised in Utah with a highly mormon upbringing.
While I do agree the mormon/lds religion is corrupt, I'm SO thankful for the culture it raised me in.
I didn't realize how awesome it was until I moved out of state, and recognized how fucking mean and cold most people were.

Yeah, sure, most of utah/mormon culture is painting on a "fake" face of kindness, but tbh, I'll take that over a culture where nobody speaks to one another and everyone is cold af to anyone they don't know.

Traveling to other states and countries showed me that, while definitely not perfect, mormon culture is top tier.

Jesus is the way. Just, unfortunately, truth still breeds corruption.

My life before knowing Jesus was the most lonesome feeling ever. I resented the christian religions because my brother was gay and I didnt think he deserved damnation because of it. I don't want that for any of you, I don't want that for anyone else here on earth. Idk why Jesus came to me exactly, but I do know he's real. I do know he's going to get us back home, and spare us from death. I just don't know how to share that with other people.

[Ekco]

99% of mormons are great people

y'alls college kids invented soaking which is beyond fucking crazy as a loophole though.

sexual repression is the actual problem, and this kid's "deal" is only partial explained by his upbringing, it sure as fuck didn't help matters though.

[Evia]

I'd put a son in Utah, but not a daughter. Would have go to Utah myself for her sake.

I find it difficult to argue with you on this point. My wife, who was also raised in UT with a similar mormon upbringing as myself, has immense trauma with her sexuality because of mormon ideology. It's taken us 20+ years to help her heal from it all. How/why? You might ask? Because she feels immense shame whenever she feels pleasure from sex. Only recently has she "allowed" herself to enjoy anything sexual within our marriage because the mormon culture gave her the impression that simply enjoying sex somehow made her "unholy"

This aspect of the religion, and any other that are similar, I do see as problematic. Idk why we can't both agree to Christ's love and salvation while also simultaneously recognizing that sex is enjoyable.

[Ekco]

need to hold another one of those meetings where they vote to change the rules.

they did it once before to recongize black people as human beings and not whites under the curse of Ham

It's dudes voting so just cross out the parts about guilt, put polygamy back in also if u want... that shit is pretty popular now.

[loramin]

Idk why we can't both agree to Christ's love and salvation while also simultaneously recognizing that sex is enjoyable.

Because established religions (and not just the Christian ones) lean heavily conservative. The more established they are, the more likely they will lean that way.

And this isn't even just a religious thing: any type of group (even "liberal" political parties) will tend to become more conservative over time. The whole point of the group is to keep doing things their way ... which increasingly puts them against doing things any new way.

averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.

Now, if you actually read the Christian Bible (many Christians don't), it's undeniable that Christ was incredibly "liberal": he didn't want to preserve his society or take it backwards, he wanted to bring (massively) new ideas and changes.

In fact, the foundational Christian myth is probably the most famous story ever written of conservatives killing someone for being too liberal.

willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

In the past, women were closer to being property than people, and control of their sexuality was a key part of that (see female genital mutilation for a non-Christian example). You can't go back to the way things were (eg. where women stayed in the kitchen) without also having the societal control over their sexuality.

So the answer to "why we can't both agree to Christ's love and salvation while also simultaneously recognizing that sex is enjoyable" is that maybe once upon a time Christ's love and salvation was all anyone cared about ... but then they tried to codify that, and turn it into an institution that would preserve liberal Christian values.

However, because of the way we humans are wired, the very act of creating a long-standing institution went directly against that very goal.

[sammoHung]

And this isn't even just a religious thing: any type of group (even "liberal" political parties) will tend to become more conservative over time. The whole point of the group is to keep doing things their way ... which increasingly puts them against doing things any new way.

This. It's human nature. We like things the way they are and don't want them to change. It took most of us decades to adapt to life the way it is, and rapid change scares us.

In any group where there is a power dynamic - it's amplified. Change means a potential of losing your grip on power. So you thwart change - and the surefire way to do this is with fear of going to hell.

[Reiwa]

And this isn't even just a religious thing: any type of group (even "liberal" political parties) will tend to become more conservative over time. The whole point of the group is to keep doing things their way ... which increasingly puts them against doing things any new way.

The long arc of the universe bends towards justice. :p

[shovelquest]

sexual repression is the actual problem, and this kid's "deal" is only partial explained by his upbringing, it sure as fuck didn't help matters though.

Yeah, religion is dumb because [sexual repression]. Meanwhile in atheist land:

https://i.imgur.com/1EYiteA.png

https://i.imgur.com/BgadpeN.png

https://i.imgur.com/C18U67u.png

Something something, the devil has a sense of humor and uses funny little tricks, every time. .

[Reiwa]

n89gCHE9JCk

[Ekco]

Yeah, religion is dumb because [sexual repression]. Meanwhile in atheist land:

https://i.imgur.com/1EYiteA.png

https://i.imgur.com/BgadpeN.png

https://i.imgur.com/C18U67u.png


imma go out on a limb and suggest r/askwomen, tiktok and the BBC might not be the best source of truth in these troubling times.

people be fucking, i'm pretty sure.

[shovelquest]

It’s a joke about atheists. Not normal people.

[Ekco]

how do they know though, where is this data coming from?

its either completely made up or they be creepin on people in the bedroom

[Reiwa]

how do they know though, where is this data coming from?

its either completely made up or they be creepin on people in the bedroom

Well when a male phone and a female phone love each other very much and spend 10-30 minutes at the same geolocation...

[Reiwa]

sexual repression is the actual problem, and this kid's "deal" is only partial explained by his upbringing, it sure as fuck didn't help matters though.

the actually awesome Christofascist in our discord says that sexualizing children is what postmodernism teaches to prevent them from growing up to be Nazis.

[Ekco]

Well when a male phone and a female phone love each other very much and spend 10-30 minutes at the same geolocation...

yeah, that sounds like it would be incredibly accurate actually.

and this kid's "deal" is only partial explained by his upbringing, it sure as fuck didn't help matters though.

It seems a guy with an extensive flag collection took blaming this kid's upbringing a little too much to heart this morning, i hate to see unhinged infighting among the sects.

[Reiwa]

Did anyone end up going to jail for the rape games?