Request to allowed political topics in here again

[Domo]

Dear Admins, GMs, Guides, Assistants and Interns.

There is a lot of crazy shit going on in the world. Always did.

I understand you dont want to deal with the super crazy tin foil hats in here. The racists, the homophobes, the redicals.
I get it, but please keep us regular joe's in mind.
We're not the most smart people. But if there is only 1 idiot in the room we all start to feel smarter.

So please, release the idiots. Let them talk shit again. Let them blame everyone but themself for their shitty life. And let us average joe's make fun of them again.

Thank you for reading and considering (and sorry about my english.)

[Ekco]

There is a lot of crazy shit going on in the world.

like what?

it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission as they say.

[mcoy]

I do miss reading the inevitable meltdowns. I'd sign the petition to bring politics back to RnF.

-Mcoy

[Jimjam]

Compromise is we can only talk about Norrath politics (as in npc/faction, not intraplayer nor guild).

Antonius’s tarriff policy is gonna make Qeynos great again.

[Domo]

Antonius’s tarriff policy is gonna make Qeynos great again.

You're not Qeynos, bitch please you're Oggok because you're fat!

[Cecily]

Oggok is a food desert with only unhealthy dietary options due to inhumane sanctions imposed by the so-called "good races."

[kjs86z2]

no hurty words allowed!

[Domo]

yeah, you Oggok people should take notes from Grobb. They are cultivated people who eat frog legs.

[loramin]

You all must really hate our moderators.

[atomicpaul]

i dunno man, everyone's mental health seems questionable these days. i can't even avoid politics as easily as i used to, mainly because i have to use edge at work for some reason.

[shovelquest]

I don't see why loramin should be allowed to make personal attacks against DSM for liking everquest in other sections of the forums, but we cant talk politics in OT.

i dunno man, everyone's mental health seems questionable these days. i can't even avoid politics as easily as i used to, mainly because i have to use edge at work for some reason.

I enjoy the forums more without the political arguments, as much as I love arguing with people.

But I also want to just open the portals to hell and let us have freedom of sarcastic wit and politics again.

Compromise is we can only talk about Norrath politics (as in npc/faction, not intraplayer nor guild).

Antonius’s tarriff policy is gonna make Qeynos great again.

My compromise is to convert as many of you to the one true religion as possible.

:o

[shovelquest]

Oggok is a food desert with only unhealthy dietary options due to inhumane sanctions imposed by the so-called "good races."

This is true you know. I have never seen them eat a halfling. Ever.

[Reiwa]

i dunno man, everyone's mental health seems questionable these days.

That's what I think permanent revolution is. The perpetual state of social transition.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/040/390/cover2.jpg

[shovelquest]

If we can't talk politics, it's a lot easier for my side to do really dark and evil shit, so I say we keep quiet.

:o

[kjs86z2]

no politics allowed in off topic elf sim forum

you may hurt someones feelings

cant have that

[Botten]

I don't see why loramin should be allowed to make personal attacks against DSM for liking everquest in other sections of the forums, but we cant talk politics in OT.



I enjoy the forums more without the political arguments, as much as I love arguing with people.

But I also want to just open the portals to hell and let us have freedom of sarcastic wit and politics again.



My compromise is to convert as many of you to the one true religion as possible.

:o

What do you care you far case.

You constantly make a new account if you get banned spouting some red ribbon fascist statement.

https://static1.colliderimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/dragonball-super-super-hero-red-ribbon-army-guide-feature.jpg

[loramin]

against DSM for liking everquest in other sections of the forums

:rolleyes: Saying DSM's posts are just "liking everquest" is like describing a crazed stalker as someone who just "likes" their victim .... you're leaving out a few details.

[Botten]

��️ Deep in the halls of Qeynos, the self-proclaimed "Guardians of Tradition"—known colloquially as the Red of the Antonican —cling to the glory days of Tunare-blessed human kingdoms. They champion the iron fist of order, mandatory plate armor, and strict import tariffs, arguing that Freeport fell because it got too laxed with its rogue classes. Their idea of compromise? Allowing Halflings in the militia—as long as they promise not to bake weed-laced pies for morale boosts.

�� Meanwhile, in the lush towers of Felwithe, the elven haven sip mana-infused tea and host symposiums titled "Redistributing Loot Tables for Equity." Fierce proponents of spellcasting diversity, they've proposed adding transmutation scrolls to low-level loot drops and banning Enchanters from charming NPCs without consent. Their gatherings often include summoning Elementals that hold signs like “No Justice, No J-boots!”

[Botten]

Heh this could be fun...

Deep within the eroded ruins of Befallen, a loud-mouthed necromancer named “Donarn the Magnificent” has risen again—mostly through self-resurrection scrolls and excessive charisma modifiers. Decked in gaudy orange robes and leading a cult known as the “True Norrathians,” Donarn boasts that he alone can restore the lost greatness of Freeport by walling off dungeons and giving gnome meat breaks to Ogre merchants. His summons speeches cause area-wide debuffs in intelligence and charm, particularly among apprentice casters.

The Felwithe Coalition, alarmed by the resurgence of Donarn’s disruptive enchantments, has begun a campaign to re-seal Befallen and block his dark mana channeling from spreading across zones. They argue that unchecked necromantic populism could collapse the delicate faction balance, lead to platinum pieces deregulation, and fuel a rise in trollish behavior on public forums. Led by High Enchanter GraveVenturer, their motto is “Resist the Rez—Keep the Realms Rational.”

Meanwhile, scattered adventuring parties across Norrath have taken up the questline “Restore Sanity to Antonica,” which involves retrieving truth scrolls, dispelling illusion buffs, and forcing Donarn to reroll as a bard where his influence will be capped at wedding entertainment. The final boss fight? A raid event titled “Trial of Facts,” where adventurers must survive waves of misinformation before activating the Plane of Reason. The reward? +10 clarity and a permanent immunity to spin.

[loramin]

Their gatherings often include summoning Elementals that hold signs like “No Justice, No J-boots!”

That mental image was just too perfect; I couldn't help myself.

https://i.imgur.com/n9HNoLF.jpeg

Sadly, Gemini doesn't understand what a classic elemental pet looks like, and the elf is a little too Warcrafty :(

[Reiwa]

The official lore says Lucan D'Lere was opposed to the forces of the Lightbringer...

[Ekco]

and the elf is a little too Warcrafty :(

this is a consequence of other video games not posting enough screenshots to the internet, AI saw all the WoW screenshots and learned elf ears are suppose to be a foot long ;/

[Ekco]

yeah, converting headlines into EQ speak is pretty fun


"Should they seek conflict, they shall find it," stated a High Council member of Qeynos, "though ample opportunity remains to broker a accord."

[kjs86z2]

yeah, converting headlines into EQ speak is pretty fun


"Should they seek conflict, they shall find it," stated a High Council member of Qeynos, "though ample opportunity remains to broker a accord."

https://i.imgur.com/MByjzoy.png

[Ciderpress]

"You have ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine" is like farrrrr too political of a statement and it's *in the game*!

[F0rmsh1fter]

Just make a political post you cowardly dog

[Ekco]

Just make a political post you cowardly dog

veAolcgNbAk

[Duik]

I suggest just start the thread. Boot it off with a massive politically heavy post full of polit things.

Go! Dog shall protect you.

[Domo]

nah, as a Kraut I always follow ze rules!

[Swish]

Here's a 12 year old gif that probably still applies.

https://i.imgur.com/HNoD3od.gif

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

https://i.imgur.com/MByjzoy.png

That Uruk-hai captain was a boss though

That move where he pinned Aragorn to the tree with the shield to decap him SHOULD have worked. It’s obvious this is some alternate timeline where plot armor allowed him to slip his head out in just the nick of time

Aragorn’s head should have been mounted on a spike on Mordor

[Ciderpress]

A scrawny gnoll catches a week for politics

What do you mean by "your lands", exactly??

[Reiwa]

A scrawny gnoll catches a week for politics

What do you mean by "your lands", exactly??

The Legions of Torn Ear forcibly occupied and colonized the traditional lands of the indigenous Splitpaw Clan of dogheaded-people.

[Reiwa]

There was a 'great burning' in the Elddar Forest of Takish-hiz

[shovelquest]

:rolleyes: Saying DSM's posts are just "liking everquest" is like describing a crazed stalker as someone who just "likes" their victim

Bro that is 110% an everquest fan.

We are literally insane for being here right now.

Seriously unhinged.

[shovelquest]

spouting some red ribbon fascist statement.

https://i.imgur.com/JerC7Ei.png

[arvidez]

How is wokeness (if you don’t know what wokeness is, where you been?)not a religion and why does it belong in politics.

[Ekco]

"Politics is the continuation of religion by other means" - Carl von Clausewitz

or something like that.

[shovelquest]

"you guys are animals, you need commandments!"

2000 years later.

"we need a series of rules, called laws."

Same but different.

Difference: One puts god above man, the other makes man god.

Satan: This gives me a boner! (If i had a penis!)

Politics = Satanism.

Thank you benevolent leaders for quieting any pesky communists that would disagree with me.

[Reiwa]

How is wokeness (if you don’t know what wokeness is, where you been?)not a religion and why does it belong in politics.

Are you your brothers keeper?

[Ekco]

"you guys are animals, you need commandments!"

2000 years later.

"we need a series of rules, called laws."

Same but different.

Difference: One puts god above man, the other makes man god.

Satan: This gives me a boner! (If i had a penis!)

Politics = Satanism.

Thank you benevolent leaders for quieting any pesky communists that would disagree with me.

i didn't ask for this TED talk but I'm glad i attended

i'm looking forward to this history repeating cycle, hope i get burned at the stake for worshiping Baphomet or something like King Philip's "Fake News" of those days.

Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomini Tuo Da Gloriam and all that.

https://i.imgur.com/rBvb2wL.png

[Reiwa]

LEEEEEEEEROY

https://i.imgur.com/FvNbgfP.png

[shovelquest]

God: 10 commandments.

Man: That's nice, but how about we add debt and slavery?

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Are you your brothers keeper?

Only child so, no

Parents said I still wasn’t the favorite though :(

[Ekco]

this thread getting spicy

[Reiwa]

https://i.imgur.com/JefXKTx.jpeg

[Duik]

God: Pretend fairytale to frighten little children.

Man: Real and whos sole job it is (or so it appears) to frighten little children.

[shovelquest]

Man: Pretend fairytale to frighten little children.

Man: Real and whos sole job it is (or so it appears) to frighten little children.

Fixed it for you.

[Ciderpress]

I'm not religious, but I've noticed God fearing people generally have much more stable, prosperous lives. Every miserable person I know whose life is a total mess is an edgy atheist who hates their dad. I've even met many homeless drug addicts and not a single one has ever said "I ended up this way by listening to too much Victor Davis Hanson!!!"

When you don't believe in god it's not that you believe in nothing, it's that you'll believe in anything. I dunno who said that but it was some smart dude.

[Reiwa]

Like sands through the hourglass, the Earth Is Spinning Faster. (https://www.rttnews.com/3555778/earth-is-spinning-faster-with-shorter-days-in-july-august.aspx)

Why has Earth accelerated, and when will it slow down again? These are difficult questions to answer for scientists and timekeepers.

Long-term variations in Earth's spin speed are affected by a long list of factors that includes the complex motion of Earth's core, oceans, and atmosphere.

"Nobody expected this," says Dr. Leonid Zotov, a leading authority on Earth rotation at Moscow State University. "The cause of this acceleration is not explained."

Most scientists believe it is something inside the Earth. Ocean and atmospheric models don't explain this huge acceleration.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

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[Domo]

hold your controversial/political/religous topics ladys.
The GMs didnt answer the request yet.

You might fuck up the whole request because you cant behave.

[Ekco]

I'm not religious, but I've noticed God fearing people generally have much more stable, prosperous lives. Every miserable person I know whose life is a total mess is an edgy atheist who hates their dad. I've even met many homeless drug addicts and not a single one has ever said "I ended up this way by listening to too much Victor Davis Hanson!!!"

When you don't believe in god it's not that you believe in nothing, it's that you'll believe in anything. I dunno who said that but it was some smart dude.

Yeah, that's kinda how this shit works dude, i don't know many unhappy actual retards either, most are happy as pigs in shit watching the Disney channel in their PJ's and most of them i don't think have even heard "the good news" that's just the default state, the less you think the happier you are.

[Duik]

hold your controversial/political/religous topics ladys.
The GMs didnt answer the request yet.

You might fuck up the whole request because you cant behave.

This is exactly how we roll.

Also. They will not change their minds.

Also also.
God: Pretend fairytales to help tiny weenie babies to get through difficult times.

Man: Gives those times.

[Ekco]

hold your controversial/political/religous topics ladys.
The GMs didnt answer the request yet.

You might fuck up the whole request because you cant behave.


https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-07/27/12/enhanced/webdr15/anigif_enhanced-5313-1438016314-7.gif

[Ciderpress]

Yeah, that's kinda how this shit works dude, i don't know many unhappy actual retards either, most are happy as pigs in shit watching the Disney channel in their PJ's and most of them i don't think have even heard "the good news" that's just the default state, the less you think the happier you are.

Well yeah that's the boilerplate cynic's take, lots of smart people are happy too though. Lots of smart people are religious, even.

If your life is a total mess and you're addicted to all manner of drugs and other vices, there's a flaw in your thinking somewhere, no? You're "free" to be a heroin addict, but you're hardly free *as* a heroin addict. I'd rather be the 70 iq retard giggling at clouds.

[Duik]

Mission accomplished!

[Reiwa]

This stupid country (https://www.boston25news.com/news/national/charges-dropped/2XPF452J7VFORNTYERVKEBXJBI/)

[Ekco]

lots of smart people are happy too though. Lots of smart people are religious, even.

Totally comma butt people like Francis Collins and Heisenberg are the exception that proves the rule; most are atheists or hold the Einstein compromise of the clockmaker and don't believe in a personal God.

>heroin addicts
https://c.tenor.com/MpZQ8Nt2dssAAAAd/tenor.gif
/s

[Ciderpress]

Hey I used to be an edgy atheist too but I think it's more philosophically honest to be agnostic. And I respect truly religious people a lot. Give me a hardcore catholic or jew or muslim any day over a wishy washy protestant who thinks jesus was conveniently in favor of everything they are.

In retrospect hitchens was way better on topics *other* than religion, even though that's how I discovered him. Dawkins too, stick to evolutionary biology bud.

[Ekco]

Hey I used to be an edgy atheist too but I think it's more philosophically honest to be agnostic. And I respect truly religious people a lot. Give me a hardcore catholic or jew or muslim any day over a wishy washy protestant who thinks jesus was conveniently in favor of everything they are.

In retrospect hitchens was way better on topics *other* than religion, even though that's how I discovered him. Dawkins too, stick to evolutionary biology bud.



>it's more philosophically honest to be agnostic.
yeah, in reality i am

When I put on my robe and wizard hat... things happen. i got auto-team balanced because its like 4 v 1

>hitchens
BP51NnoVErA

i drink Johnnie Walker because he isn't around to anymore.

[shovelquest]

Like sands through the hourglass, the Earth Is Spinning Faster. (https://www.rttnews.com/3555778/earth-is-spinning-faster-with-shorter-days-in-july-august.aspx)

It'd be a shame if someone saw that coming 2000 years ago.

https://i.imgur.com/5nWax0c.png

"No flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened." Matthew 24:22

https://i.imgur.com/gqSw534.png

[shovelquest]

God: Pretend fairytales to help tiny weenie babies to get through difficult times.

Man: Gives those times.

Actually this is why I like religion.

Because with your system, where youth, strength and money is the only thing that gives anyone purpose..

if some pour soul doesn't have those things, and feels like they have no worth—God is always going to be there to say "you have a purpose, you have a worth, you're as wealthy as any one else, and I love you."

But you guys are like, "No fuck that, I only want to help the poor by making them slave labor."

God i hate mankind and what you and satan have done to it. Slave masters, slaves, and slave drivers, that's all there is in your world.

[Ekco]

Like sands through the hourglass, the Earth Is Spinning Faster. (https://www.rttnews.com/3555778/earth-is-spinning-faster-with-shorter-days-in-july-august.aspx)

>July 22 will be the second-shortest day of the year, scientists say - ABC News

fuckin....

has anyone checked in on the magnetic poles lately? they doing okay? lol.

https://blogs.sas.com/content/graphicallyspeaking/files/2020/01/magnetic_north_pole_final.png

[Duik]

Data source https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/GeomagneticPoles.shtml

There yas go.

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/OnilgKY.gif

that's probably fine.

[Duik]

Actually this is why I like religion.

Because with your system, where youth, strength and money is the only thing that gives anyone purpose..

if some pour soul doesn't have those things, and feels like they have no worth—God is always going to be there to say "you have a purpose, you have a worth, you're as wealthy as any one else, and I love you."

But you guys are like, "No fuck that, I only want to help the poor by making them slave labor."

God i hate mankind and what you and satan have done to it. Slave masters, slaves, and slave drivers, that's all there is in your world.

What the actual fuck are you on about.

Im not young.
Im certainly not rich.
I also dont have slaves or subscribe to that system.

Double lolocaust for the satan comment.
I do not believe in your silly lil god, what makes you think id believe in another part of the silly lil made up story? Might wanna try using some logic (that god gave you) to sort that out.

[F0rmsh1fter]

i'm looking forward to this history repeating cycle
https://i.imgur.com/rBvb2wL.png

Lord willing we get to the 1932 part soon. We’re way overdue

[F0rmsh1fter]

Duik WOULD be rich if he didn’t spend so much on funko pops and onlyfans

[Duik]

What the hell is a funko pop?

Also, you mother upped her OF pricing structure. I xannonly afford your wifes now.

[F0rmsh1fter]

Why are atheists always relegated to having sub par middle school wit

[Domo]

the main reason why atheists are cooler than religion people is that atheists dont try to convert or even force others of their views.
Most religion people are cool, but there is a small portion of crazy motherfuckers who "hate" people with different views than their own.

[Ekco]

Duik WOULD be rich if he didn’t spend so much on funko pops and onlyfans

What the hell is a funko pop?

Also, you mother upped her OF pricing structure. I xannonly afford your wifes now.

i find it funny the godless communist are the only ones not being complete fucking retards when it comes to societal standards

https://i.imgur.com/q4Dv9XU.png

[Duik]

Why are atheists always relegated to having sub par middle school wit

Your mother seems to like it.

[F0rmsh1fter]

i find it funny the godless communist are the only ones not being complete fucking retards when it comes to societal standards

https://i.imgur.com/q4Dv9XU.png

The west would too if we weren’t financial plantations owned by moloch worshippers

[Botten]

Why are atheists always relegated to having sub par middle school wit

Imagine putting all your faith into a fantasy book about some being from the sky with a zombie for a kid; then having the lack of wit to preach it.

[arvidez]

Are you your brothers keeper?

yes, just trying to differentiate between him and his fantasy.

god doesnt exist = A+ good soy boy

there are two sexes and no genders = to reeducation with you sir red skull!

[Reiwa]

the main reason why atheists are cooler than religion people is that atheists dont try to convert or even force others of their views.
Most religion people are cool, but there is a small portion of crazy motherfuckers who "hate" people with different views than their own.

Got another unwitting Dignitatis Humanae fan here. :)

[zelld52]

the last thing anyone who plays p99 should be discussing is politics.

we play / post on forums for a 26 year old elf-simulator. we are not well-adjusted people.

[Reiwa]

the last thing anyone who plays p99 should be discussing is politics.

we play / post on forums for a 26 year old elf-simulator. we are not well-adjusted people.

Well-behaved men seldom make history.

[arvidez]

the last thing anyone who plays p99 should be discussing is politics.

we play / post on forums for a 26 year old elf-simulator. we are not well-adjusted people.

this is why my parents didnt allow me to play DnD. they knew i'd end up in a place like this.

[arvidez]

the main reason why atheists are cooler than religion people is that atheists dont try to convert or even force others of their views.
Most religion people are cool, but there is a small portion of crazy motherfuckers who "hate" people with different views than their own.

Imagine putting all your faith into a fantasy book about some being from the sky with a zombie for a kid; then having the lack of wit to preach it.

found one...a hater that is

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

the last thing anyone who plays p99 should be discussing is politics.

we play / post on forums for a 26 year old elf-simulator. we are not well-adjusted people.

You don’t have to mention this, I’m already completely sold on the idea of being able to discuss politics here

We will either get astute political arguments or dumb drama and I am a fan of both. Drama in any form is like the junk food of information, bad for you, but fun in short bursts

[Reiwa]

Holding Domo responsible for this.

https://i.imgur.com/ujGS0lV.png

[shovelquest]

the main reason why atheists are cooler than religion people is that atheists dont try to convert or even force others of their views.

Religion is literallly politics before politics.

Like, all political protests are literally just this:

https://i.imgur.com/DWSnIie.png

Most religion people are cool, but there is a small portion of crazy motherfuckers who "hate" people with different views than their own.

Some politics is ok, its good to vote, and know how laws work.

But this stuff.. this is a religion for crazy mother fuckers who hate people with different views than their own.

[shovelquest]

Why are atheists always relegated to having sub par middle school wit

Imagine putting all your faith into a fantasy book about some being from the sky with a zombie for a kid; then having the lack of wit to preach it.

I literally said this exact same sentence in middle school.

[Ciderpress]

So much of western culture and civilization is related to the content of the bible that you're kind of a drooling ignoramus if you go around opining on anything without knowing what's in it.

I'm not religious, but that book got people to build gothic cathedrals and chapels, which are some of the most amazing works of human artistic expression and beauty ever created.

Modern architecture is hideous by comparison, and even modern churches look like dentist offices.

[shovelquest]

Why is it that atheists can rip on Christians, and jews, but say one thing bad about Islam and whoa momma.

Those atheists are going to get really upset.

[Reiwa]

Why is it that atheists can rip on Christians, and jews, but say one thing bad about Islam and whoa momma.

Those atheists are going to get really upset.

Atheism is coded izquierda, which is congruent. No king of kings, you know.

[Ciderpress]

Why is it that atheists can rip on Christians, and jews, but say one thing bad about Islam and whoa momma.

Those atheists are going to get really upset.

Many atheists, because they deride religion, are totally ignorant of what's in the actual books, so they see the three abrahamic faiths as being more or less the same thing. They view Islam as a religion of the put-upon and downtrodden though, so they have to defend it to satisfy their do-gooderism quota for the day.

[shovelquest]

At least agnostics accept that we just don't know what the hell is going on.

I could never understand the kind of person that would say, "there is no god, i believe it with all of my heart"

then spend their night gazing at the stars talking about how infinite the universe is.

[Botten]

"Clearly, there is a discrepancy between the kind of universe we would expect a human-oriented God to create, and the universe we live in. How can we explain it? Surely the simplest explanation is that God doesn’t exist. The spatial and temporal size of the universe gives us reason to be atheists."

[loramin]

At least agnostics accept that we just don't know what the hell is going on.

I could never understand the kind of person that would say, "there is no god, i believe it with all of my heart"

then spend their night gazing at the stars talking about how infinite the universe is.

If you think like an evolved ape, a god that's like a smarter/more powerful ape seems perfectly natural, and it makes perfect sense to attribute things you don't understand (like a really big universe) to that "super ape" god.

But when you understand how vast the universe is, and how un-ape-like most other life forms in it must be, then the idea of an "ape-like god" becomes completely laughable.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I would imagine if the universe is infinite and contained all these wildly different life forms, God might appear to each as different

“Well that would sure cause a lotta theological disagreements if those species ever met each other”

- Yea well that’s pretty much what we have now, so yes

[Reiwa]

If you think like an evolved ape, a god that's like a smarter/more powerful ape seems perfectly natural, and it makes perfect sense to attribute things you don't understand (like a really big universe) to that "super ape" god.

But when you understand how vast the universe is, and how un-ape-like most other life forms in it must be, then the idea of an "ape-like god" becomes completely laughable.

Papa said Martians, if there are Martians, are eligible for baptism. Who's the ape god now?

[Ciderpress]

But when you understand how vast the universe is, and how un-ape-like most other life forms in it must be, then the idea of an "ape-like god" becomes completely laughable.

"When" you understand that? But we don't understand that. We don't know that there is necessarily life on any other planet, which is a scenario that does not require god. The specific conditions that gave rise to life on earth might just be that improbable. And if there's only life on one planet, you can only be born on that planet. Not to mention, assuming there is life on other planets, it might naturally require the same conditions and therefor might evolve in a similar way. There might just be other planets that basically just have more boring 'ol humans on them, with their own extinct dinosaurs and shit.

Point is agnosticism is still the logical answer. Claiming absolute certainty of a god and claiming absolute certainty of no god are two sides of the same coin.

[Reiwa]

If your daughter married a Martian, your son would be a monkey's uncle.

Duik help pls.

[arvidez]

"Clearly, there is a discrepancy between the kind of universe we would expect a human-oriented God to create, and the universe we live in. How can we explain it? Surely the simplest explanation is that God doesn’t exist. The spatial and temporal size of the universe gives us reason to be atheists."

from which tome is this scripture?

to the gal that believes she understands the universe and so can speak to gods existence:

for your ape god to exist then science > god. erm science isnt even as good as us...it is custom add on. like a fin made of bondo.

[shovelquest]

If you think like an evolved ape, a god that's like a smarter/more powerful ape seems perfectly natural, and it makes perfect sense to attribute things you don't understand (like a really big universe) to that "super ape" god.

But when you understand how vast the universe is, and how un-ape-like most other life forms in it must be, then the idea of an "ape-like god" becomes completely laughable.

what if humans were an experement by the only other human level and above consciousness and it remembers the universe before the big bang?

https://i.imgur.com/wTpv4sG.png

[arvidez]

Glad he isn’t woke or he wouldn’t let us talk about him

[zelld52]

apes are too stupid to have computers

Proof: Us

[Duik]

If your daughter married a Martian, your son would be a monkey's uncle.

Duik help pls.

Martians are "by the end of this year" about to be just humans born on Mars. Much like a white American, a stranger, born in a strange land.

Silly Reiwa, humans are the pinnacle of gods creation therefore there are simply no others.

Come on Reiwa! Get on the god bus, we're goin' godden'.

[Ekco]

white American, a stranger, born in a strange land.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b4/8a/4a/b48a4a0a2f27d60cf45de76e42971868.gif

[Reiwa]

Swaying to the rhythm of the new world order (https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/cop/top-un-court-says-treaties-compel-wealthy-nations-curb-global-warming-2025-07-23/)

Failure to rein in fossil fuel production and subsidies could result in "full reparations to injured states in the form of restitution, compensation and satisfaction".

hssss no oxford :mad:

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/uyMiJL1.png

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/uyMiJL1.png

according to this book i haven't read, apparently the literal opposite is gonna happen
https://i.imgur.com/GYxoqLq.png

apparently there is some pedo/weird shit in it or something like weird part in IT by Steven King but the overall gist is basically happening I'm told and all the tech bros who are about to actually control everything are just arguing over the fine details


thinking of getting this blown up and framed in other news
https://i.imgur.com/DBaNbM0.jpeg

[shovelquest]

That might be our best case scenario

[Ekco]

i was hoping for more push back and a vision of a brighter future lol

oh well

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

A book written almost *100** years ago predicts the creation of a perfect drug with no tolerance, sides, or withdrawal, and a society that genetically engineers eugenics where everyone can pursue whatever interests they want (ahem, whatever interests fall within their genetically engineered position in society) but mostly are interested in getting high and having sex

[shovelquest]

i was hoping for more push back and a vision of a brighter future lol

oh well

I'm pretty optimistic but i can't shake this feeling that perhaps we're entering that phase between the Globe Theater, and Hollywood.

And pretty much that was just war and toiling. And extremely rich people enjoying life and being beheaded (so atomic has that to look forward to).

But, it also was colonization of a new land and the invention of capitalism! So maybe mars really is next.

[Ekco]

But, it also was colonization of a new land and the invention of capitalism! So maybe mars really is next.

it might be worth it if we get tri-titted women and a bar on mars to hang out in out of the deal, unironically.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/5edeb918967378f99171bea85c448c6d/f2f145e62cb7bb2d-7d/s540x810/3868cae45318121f60b7ee010feb7ec685dc7b97.gif

[shovelquest]

Yeah, I think we're looking at like a 30 thousand year dark age ahead of us.

Hopefully Jesus shows up and its the opposite!

[shovelquest]

Could you imagine how stoked osama bin laden would be if he was alive these days.

[shovelquest]

c'mon where is everyone.

https://i.imgur.com/gLp0eP7.png

[Ekco]

Could you imagine how stoked osama bin laden would be if he was alive these days.

his plan worked, i just wanna see the timelines compared side by side if 9/11 didn't happen

my suspicious is not that much would be different honestly.

8 years of Dubya without it being about 9/11 would be pretty interesting to see though

Before the September 11, 2001 attacks, George W. Bush's agenda primarily focused on domestic issues with a shift towards foreign policy following the attacks
. His pre-9/11 agenda centered on themes like "compassionate conservatism" and "humility abroad".

^ his housing plan would have still caused the 2008 crisis for example..etc..etc so i think the timeline would correct it self back to exactly where we find ourselves now more or less

[Ekco]

c'mon where is everyone.


i made some eggs with syrup and toast to sober up, now i'm drinking again.

https://i.imgur.com/7rvcfKQ.jpeg

[Reiwa]

The parable of the sheep and the goats is about mistreating the goats because they deserve it.

Goddamn goats.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

i made some eggs with syrup and toast to sober up, now i'm drinking again.

https://i.imgur.com/7rvcfKQ.jpeg

Gonna have to tighten up that diet sometime ;)

[Duik]

Those eggs look like they in there pretty tight to me.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Don’t get me wrong, it looks absolutely delicious, to the point where I’m eating vicariously through the screen mukbang style

But 3 pieces of toast is a lot even for me, those get broken down to like pure sugar, eggs are fine though. But the alcohol and the sugar can be hard on the old meatsack. But of course that’s only if it continues for a long time

[Domo]

I have questions about the Epstein stuff but I feel like the moment I ask, some crazy emotional tin foil hat will ruin it for all of us and get this thread closed.

I also have questions about Putin, Xi, Israel/Palestina, North Korea and Iran etc.

But all these topics feel like landminds in here.

anyways, what are your thoughts on illegal mexican transgenders crossing the US bored to start an drug cartel in canada?

[Duik]

I think the landmines will stop them.

[Ekco]

anyways, what are your thoughts on illegal mexican transgenders crossing the US bored to start an drug cartel in canada?

as an unelected representative of the great border state of Texas.

cash, grass or ass
https://i.imgur.com/K8iq4FB.png

[Ekco]

Gonna have to tighten up that diet sometime ;)

working on it, working on it

i'm down like 20+ lb or someshit just from no longer drinking reg cokes or eating candy stuffs had like half a peanut-butter cookie in july that's it, the devil made me do it.

i'm 6'7 and usually work in warehouses so i'm used to getting in pulling hoes shape by just showing up to work and getting paid to exercise

but yeah my body is a disaster atm from just chilling at home for a while, not even gonna go step on a scale to check. The "i'm just gonna chill for a bit and take care of my parents" was a tarded plan for sure.

[F0rmsh1fter]

as an unelected representative of the great border state of Texas.

cash, grass or ass
https://i.imgur.com/K8iq4FB.png

Ekco has confirmed he would indeed accept sexual favors from transgender Mexicans in exchange for a ride

[Domo]

hole is hole baby.

[Ekco]

for a ride

I'd walk, I'm just not opposed to making a buck in this hypothetical Mexico to Canada transgender drug cartel underground railroad we're discussing

you're not a communist are you?

edit: this is hypothetical right? i haven't been watching much news lately.

hole is hole baby.
yes, but also no.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

i'm 6'7

Holy cow, you’re 6’7??

Man, almost a travesty you aren’t into lifting, you could be a beast. And that’s a huge leg up when it comes to dating

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQVtVdmFCQltqfwJuMwPCE5cKB6XS0Ic aMsJw&s

[Ekco]

Holy cow, you’re 6’7??


yeah and size 15 shoe, clothes shopping fucking sucks.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

yeah and size 15 shoe, clothes shopping fucking sucks.

You’re like my cousin who is like 6’4 and doesn’t lean into it confidence-wise like he could

Do you how many guys would literally KILL to be that height? I mean kill. There’s dudes breaking their legs and getting spacers trying to get to close to what you are. Dudes wearing discreet platform shoes. Shit I’m 6’0, but if I was 6’7? Hoooooo boy, look out world

It is instant status amongst dudes. Gives an edge in face to face negotiations. I mean the advantages are endless. Almost all women like a guy taller than them, and some girls REALLY like much taller guys. And almost no girl is going to be like “oh no he’s too tall for me” lol

I guess small spaces and clothes, only disadvantage

[Ekco]

6 - 6'2 is perfect everything above that is just weird

like i've walked into chandeliers at house parties n shit before it's not fun

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

6 - 6'2 is perfect everything above that is just weird

like i've walked into chandlers at house parties n shit before it's not fun

Slightly inconvenient, there is no such thing as a “weird” height for guys, trust me. Well, er, there is but it goes the other direction ;)

[Ekco]

in a bag of problems i wouldn't put it back in there to pick a new one for sure, but it's tons of small things that add up, the shower head/ shower being inconvenient, the average height of most chicks..etc..etc

[zelld52]

I heard a very tall celebrity (Maybe Steven Merchant) say that the optimal "tall" height for men is 6'4". He's 6'7" and says it's an awkward height for literally everything in life.

[atomicpaul]

for real (i don't know how tall peter weller is)

https://i.imgur.com/jA0PRYU.jpeg

[Ekco]

i literally hate it so much i put 6'5 on my license back in the day and it ended up causing an issue when it didn't match reality lol

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

in a bag of problems i wouldn't put it back in there to pick a new one for sure, but it's tons of small things that add up, the shower head/ shower being inconvenient, the average height of most chicks..etc..etc

Girls would not care, trust me. I’ve dated girls so short I have to bend down to kiss them every time, neither of us cared

The advantages like unconscious status aren’t as apparent as oh dang the showerhead is too low. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t there

[Ekco]

it's not what they care about, it's that i didn't like bending over or seeing the top of their head

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

it's not what they care about, it's that i didn't like bending over or seeing the top of their head

I don’t like it when women have little kids that need babysitters any time we date. I don’t like women who live 45+ minutes away

You’re going to have to swallow a LOT of things you don’t like. It still is a huge leg up in the dating scene

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

I mean there’s blackpilled bro’s on Reddit who are literally suicidal because they wish more than anything else in the world to be tall

Would be a comfort I guess, if one of them did try to off themselves, to not know that there’s a 6’7 dude who doesn’t want to take advantage of it dating because bending over is awkward

[Ekco]

I don’t like it when women have little kids that need babysitters any time we date. I don’t like women who live 45+ minutes away

You’re going to have to swallow a LOT of things you don’t like. It still is a huge leg up in the dating scene


I mean there’s blackpilled bro’s on Reddit who are literally suicidal because they wish more than anything else in the world to be tall

Would be a comfort I guess, if one of them did try to off themselves, to not know that there’s a 6’7 dude who doesn’t want to take advantage of it dating because bending over is awkward


dating

that's the keyword. I'm not interested in that. the amount of "work on yourself" i'd have to do to be able to be in a healthy relationship is monumental and maybe not even worth the juice from the squeeze at this point.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

that's the keyword. I'm not interested in that. the amount of "work on yourself" i'd have to do to be able to be in a healthy relationship is monumental and maybe not even worth the juice from the squeeze at this point.

Ya well that’s your call. Even dating aside, hundreds of thousands of dudes would kill to be that height regardless. And if we could do a simulation where we plopped them into a 6’7 body for a year-ish trial run, the amount that would be Grass Is Greener and wanting to go back to their old height because of showerheads and chandeliers would be minuscule to the point of non-existent ;)

[Ekco]

One study found that men who were 5'9" (175.3 cm) or shorter lived about 5 years longer than those who were taller

we reach the maximum number of cell divisions earlier, our cancer risks are higher because we have more cells, backpain..etc

i wouldn't argue this to a short king's face in rl obv. and totally understand it fucks with them way more, but uh all pain is local or w/e the saying is lol.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

One study found that men who were 5'9" (175.3 cm) or shorter lived about 5 years longer than those who were taller

we reach the maximum number of cell divisions earlier, our cancer risks are higher because we have more cells, backpain..etc

i wouldn't argue this to a short king's face in rl obv. and totally understand it fucks with them way more, but uh all pain is local or w/e the saying is lol.

Ya but the advantages are intangible and unquantifiable. How do you quantify how much height factors into all interactions with others? That’s like trying to quantify how much being attractive factors into all interactions with others. We can only via experiments and things show that it does, but it’s hard to quantify exactly how. A lot of times we would have to consciously tell ourselves to think differently than what our brain automatically suggests in order to be impartial and fair. I know I’ve had to do that before when speaking to a guy who is almost dwarf-status. I don’t feel as much pressure to do it vs a very tall guy, but their height does still affect my perception of them

And of course, as you know, you could never make a post anywhere on any social media like “oh man, life is so hard as a tall guy who’s 6’7”

You would get soooo many guys being like “Fuuuuuck you”

[shovelquest]

One study found that men who were 5'9" (175.3 cm) or shorter lived about 5 years longer than those who were taller

we reach the maximum number of cell divisions earlier, our cancer risks are higher because we have more cells, backpain..etc

i wouldn't argue this to a short king's face in rl obv. and totally understand it fucks with them way more, but uh all pain is local or w/e the saying is lol.

or is it because tall people are out having fun and short people are crying and sleeping all day in their tiny beds.

[zelld52]

or is it because tall people are out having fun and short people are crying and sleeping all day in their tiny beds.

waiting for willy wonka to blow his lil flute so they can get to work
LeoLaugh.gif

[Ekco]

https://media.tenor.com/Ypd6cJ1RdeIAAAAM/bill-hader-laughing.gif

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

or is it because tall people are out having fun and short people are crying and sleeping all day in their tiny beds.

There’s been a lot of times where I hear about a particular influencer or famous person’s height and it’s like above 6’2+. Philion is an example that comes to mind. He’s always sitting but that dude is like 6’4 if I recall. Trump is like what, 6’2?

It makes me wonder just how much of a confidence boost tall men are getting. I mean it’s all subjective, but that’s why I keep reminding Ecko to utilize it to boost confidence

It’s unconscious status. I can’t explain it, it’s something primal. It’s like why do women gravitate to a man taller than them, sometimes much taller? We no longer need men to protect women with their physical bodies anymore, a short guy with a gun is infinitely more protective than a tall guy without one. Yet there is something biological and primal that remains. And no amount of debatebro’ing women to like short guys more will work to overpower it

Well it works with men too. It’s not going to make men want to have sex with you, not the straight ones anyway, but it does affect their perception in a primal, unconscious, but most of all POSITIVE way, until they make a conscious choice to ignore that un-earned status they are giving the tall person. Because it is dumb and unfair to have height influence perception. So if questioned, and if we have to think about it, we’ll say “fuck no, I consider every guy from the shortest to the tallest with the same fairness”. But we don’t. Not until we tell ourselves that’s what fair and right to do

I have definitely seen statistics and studies that show tall people using the same arguments as shorter people being more effective at them, no matter who the argument is towards. I’ve certainly seen data presented by blackpilled depressed bro’s on Reddit showing that tall men, just like attractive men, are more likely to be considered for a job. That kinda thing

Is it fair? No. But is it there? Yes. Until you consider it, then some people overpower it with better fair judgement

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

^
To expand on that, a tall guy who insecure and doesn’t have his height at all influence his confidence would be like a black guy being insecure about his dick size

Most people are going to assume due to an unfair, and largely untrue (on an aggregate level I’ve heard there’s very little difference in size) stereotype that the dude has at least an above average sized dick

So to me it would be completely foolish for a black person to be like “Hey, I want to set the record straight right now, I actually have a slightly below-average sized dick. And I’m actually insecure about it”

Like why TF would you do that? The perception helps you, at least go with it with strangers, even if it isn’t fair or correct. Sure, you will maybe have that convo with like a girlfriend or something if it bothers you. But there is no reason not to use people’s perception of you as a confidence boost even if you don’t agree with the reason for them having it

[zelld52]

"confidence boost" is for people without any real substance.

real confident people are just confident because they are proud of themselves

[Ciderpress]

So many hot takes on fb right now of people shitting on hulk hogan cause he said some bad words once and supported orange man. Literally people gleefully celebrating his death, publically. Nevermind that he poured millions of his own money into charitable endeavors over decades- he said bad words.

Same people then go to bat for confirmed illegal alien criminal gangbanger human traffickers, because "we need to understand what they've been through!!!".

Have people always been this morally retarded or am I only just noticing now?

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

"confidence boost" is for people without any real substance.

real confident people are just confident because they are proud of themselves

I like to say the best way to gain confidence is to make a promise to yourself and keep it

Every time you make a promise or goal for yourself and achieve it, confidence goes up

Every time you lie to yourself, confidence goes down

Sure

But because we don’t step into life as some self-actualized perfect person (did you? Maybe you did, I sure didn’t), there are COUNTLESS times in life where we are in a situation where we have to fake it until we make it. It’s something we have all tried to do at one point or another temporarily to get through a particular encounter or event. Going through life always doing it is a recipe for disaster however

And having society put status on height whether you agree with it or not can be a (shallow) confidence reservoir that’s always available to draw on UNTIL, we reach a point of zelid52 self-actualization

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Same people then go to bat for confirmed illegal alien criminal gangbanger human traffickers, because "we need to understand what they've been through!!!".


I can’t jump inside other people’s heads but I believe the prevailing thought on that side is that the charges are either trumped up or fake (beyond entry which they don’t see as a crime)

I was surprised to learn Hulk accepted Jesus and got baptized really recently before his death. I’m sorry but as an analytical type of Christian that really seems like the 4D chess play. Sin like mad all of life then at the end be like Hey my bad Jesus, fist bump, we good? And get baptized

Bu I am probably way off on that

[Reiwa]

I can’t jump inside other people’s heads but I believe the prevailing thought on that side is that the charges are either trumped up or fake (beyond entry which they don’t see as a crime)

I was surprised to learn Hulk accepted Jesus and got baptized really recently before his death. I’m sorry but as an analytical type of Christian that really seems like the 4D chess play. Sin like mad all of life then at the end be like Hey my bad Jesus, fist bump, we good? And get baptized

Bu I am probably way off on that

https://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25852&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1753483261

Luke 23:32-43

[Ekco]

>for they do not know what they are doing.

he knew what he was doing pushing those flintstone vitamins for kids with sugar in them.

[Ciderpress]

I can’t jump inside other people’s heads but I believe the prevailing thought on that side is that the charges are either trumped up or fake (beyond entry which they don’t see as a crime)

Well the problem is that they have extensive criminal records in the countries they fled, so there really isn't ambiguity when it comes to an obvious pattern of high criminality for the high profile cases like garcia.

That's kind of beside the point though; hulk dropped an N bomb, he didn't run drugs and traffic desperate women.

[shovelquest]

Sin like mad all of life then at the end be like Hey my bad Jesus, fist bump, we good? And get baptized

Matthew 7:22-23 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Matthew+7%3A22-23&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS1008US1008&oq=Matthew+7%3A22-23&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBBzQ3MGowajmoAgCwAg E&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

[shovelquest]

So many hot takes on fb right now of people shitting on hulk hogan

lmao i wanted to make jokes about ozzy but I was like, "that is so inapropriate"

and then athiestshits that kept posting about ozzy going to heaven yesterday I saw spamming the web with the most fucked up shit about hogan lmao

These athiest satan worshipers are like, "were just as good and moral as you guys!" lmao get fucked.

[Ekco]

^ And slowly, I began rooting for the asteroids to end this

[Reiwa]

Well the problem is that they have extensive criminal records in the countries they fled, so there really isn't ambiguity when it comes to an obvious pattern of high criminality for the high profile cases like garcia.

Probably the United States isn't willing to take Venezuela's word for it.

They like to say that all the guys we sponsor to foment revolution in their country are CIA terrorists. Why should we believe Venezuela?

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Luke 23:32-43

Hmm sounds like the plan worked for the other thief

Either way it’ll work or else I’ll be partying with Hulk and a lot of other fun people in hell

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

And having society put status on height whether you agree with it or not can be a (shallow) confidence reservoir that’s always available to draw on UNTIL, we reach a point of zelid52 self-actualization

To expand on this a simple analogy would be facial attractiveness

Now we all know people personally or of famous people who have very attractive faces. I’ve known one or two, and there exists some, who have no idea how objectively good looking they would be rated by others. Generally these sorts are seen as kind of like a unicorn, because in my experience both with people I know and famous people, the majority of attractive people, ESPECIALLY the very attractive, have a relatively good idea of how much it helps their interactions with people. And thus they tend to act more confident in a lot of social situations due to that knowledge

Did they earn it? Is it fair? Is it as good as the type of confidence someone would get by winning the Olympics or raising a child into a great adult person? Fuck no

Does it mean that the attractive person should just rely on only that for the rest of their life? Hellll no, but so many do. Because it’s such a handy and convenient reservoir

The fact I am acknowledging these reservoirs exist is not me saying that an attractive person shouldn’t grow a personality or accomplish goals not based on their looks. That’s completely stupid especially because looks fade in addition to looks being a cheap unearned form of status (facial anyway, physiques you work for)

So anyway, to try to deliberately ignore the things that are helping you is maybe admirable but dumb, since that does not need to become an excuse to not better oneself

[Ciderpress]

Facial attractiveness is pretty related to physique too though. You get fat everywhere equally. It's shocking how many people still think you can burn fat in specific areas. You can gain muscle in specific areas, but you can't target fat loss.

[Ciderpress]

I've known many a lass who looked beautiful at 120 and then they got married and had kids and suddenly their face isn't so pretty at 180.

[Ciderpress]

Probably the United States isn't willing to take Venezuela's word for it.

They like to say that all the guys we sponsor to foment revolution in their country are CIA terrorists. Why should we believe Venezuela?

You absolutely shouldn't believe the government of Venezuela, but you can believe dudes like this who lived under it:

-og_dJEYmms

(Full disclosure I find the host of this podcast really off putting bc he looks like a metrosexual rodent but his guest lineup is great.)

[Reiwa]

You absolutely shouldn't believe the government of Venezuela

I'm willing to give you a do-over, if you want. :)

[Ciderpress]

I'm willing to give you a do-over, if you want. :)

....straight to jail?

[Ekco]

You absolutely shouldn't believe the government of Venezuela, but you can believe dudes like this who lived under it:

-og_dJEYmms

(Full disclosure I find the host of this podcast really off putting bc he looks like a metrosexual rodent but his guest lineup is great.)

i don't believe anyone who has an entire folder of expressions for their youtube thumbnail art.

make Wayne's World/public access aesthetic great again,
this shit ruined the internet
https://i.imgur.com/yYdCZhm.png

[Reiwa]

....straight to jail?

Well the problem is that they have extensive criminal records in the countries they fled,

pause

[Ciderpress]

pause

See this is why I posted a long form interview with a guy who's actually from there.

He might have a better idea of the reality than you or I. But maybe not! He might just be a goofus.

[Ciderpress]

i don't believe anyone who has an entire folder of expressions for their youtube thumbnail art.[/IMG]

I don't like it either, but I did make fun of how he looks. My focus was on his guest.

[shovelquest]

i don't believe anyone who has an entire folder of expressions for their youtube thumbnail art.

this belongs on a piece of wood in the bathroom.

[Ekco]

like.. i don't actually blame them though, it's the algorithms fault, like i wish that dude well hope he gets to a million subs

[shovelquest]

Yeah, its kind of funny how nobody likes it (including the creators themselves) but we all cant help but react to it as intended and love it or leave it.

[atomicpaul]

never heard of that youtube channel so i looked into it. i smell billionaire-backed nonsense, not that it makes the individual stories or takes untrue. 'the emergent order foundation' does have a nice, menacing ring to it. sounds like a cult in a near-future sci-fi novel.

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/emergent-order-foundation/

[Ekco]

>https://www.influencewatch.org/non-p...er-foundation/
John Papola is the co-founder, president, and CEO of the Emergent Order Foundation. Papola formerly worked as a creative executive at MTV, Nickelodeon, and Spike TV.

lol.

[Reiwa]

Well the problem is that they have extensive criminal records in the countries they fled, so there really isn't ambiguity when it comes to an obvious pattern of high criminality for the high profile cases like garcia.

Why should we believe Venezuela?

You absolutely shouldn't believe the government of Venezuela,

https://i.imgur.com/rUltCCF.png

[Ciderpress]

I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but the government of venezuela isn't the only source to consult when determining if somebody is a criminal. There are family members and local police that can confirm "yeah this dude definitely killed somebody\somebodies".

[Ciderpress]

>https://www.influencewatch.org/non-p...er-foundation/


lol.

Lol that is pretty great. I've always found him off-putting. Something about the extremely high production value of his show (he has those stupid camera track things that slowly pan the camera during the conversations for exaggerated dramatic effect) combined with the fact he looks kind of like how I imagine a pedophile looking always gave me the creeps. But again, he gets good guests and asks good questions (for the most part).