What happened to all of the guilds on Blue, and what is Fuse?

[Wakanda]

People prob think this is a troll thread, but I'm actually curious what happen to all the guilds that were here like a year ago? I assume that Fuse stands for fusing all the guilds together? Because I see people I knew from Riot, Vanquish, Dawn Believers, Ex Astra and Kittens etc. in <Fuse> now, but I don't see any actual lore and am curious to know what happened.

[Samoht]

Fuse is just riot renamed, trying to dodge their reputation to attract leaders from kittens to join them, but they're still just as bad

Vanquish raiders play green or are in Gravity

[Teddie1056]

Long story short, to dominate content, Kittens and Fuse created the largest guild in server history and choked out all of the smaller guilds. The smaller guilds still exist, but it's hard to compete with 150 man raids when you bring 35 people.

[Swish]

Long story short, to dominate content, Kittens and Fuse created the largest guild in server history and choked out all of the smaller guilds. The smaller guilds still exist, but it's hard to compete with 150 man raids when you bring 35 people.

Why would "hundreds" of P99 raiders all want to compete for loot in the same raid? :o

[Duik]

Pixel fever.
Also guild leaders are notorious for being charismatic and being able to convince people "its better for the guild if you sink all ya time into my guild bank so I can gatekeep who gets what by making convoluted rulesets that can be manipulated"

Also there gets to a point where ita better to get 0.1% of something in a maga guild than get 50% of nothing.

[jolanar]

Why would "hundreds" of P99 raiders all want to compete for loot in the same raid? :o

Surely it's better than competing for loot from mobs your guild isn't killing?

[kjs86z2]

a simple byproduct of the current raid rules

[Snaggles]

Fuse is what happens when you take the top two raiding guilds and put them together. Before that, they had a longstanding respect for each other and would team up against Freedom/Vanquish and often for other select encounters. Officers are a mix of Riot and Kittens with Arcler as the leader.

Fuse has picked up other quality raiders and is open to new applicants.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440094

I wouldn’t say Fuse teamed up to dominate the content. Kittens would occasionally sock for natural respawns but Riot would reliably. On quakes Riot would get a lot of content but Kittens easily was getting the 2nd most kills. I was never an officer or Kittens but have been an active raider with them for years and have enjoyed hanging out with Riot pals under a shared tag with a mix of our cultures.

Or listen to what Samoht and Swish say, lol. Clearly, the elder statemen of P99…

[Swish]

I haven't raided on blue in years but I don't see the fun in sending 100+ people to kill a target. BDA and Taken used to do it for Trakanon (saw 120 a few times) pre-Velious. Mob dies in under 10 seconds.

Did you have fun? Did you get a realistic shot at any loot? lmaooo

So when is Fuse merging with Gravity?

[zelld52]

Castle on Green has the same strategy. They team up with Safe Space, and their combined raid forces can be from 120-150 people, depending on the target.

Meanwhile, they are the least successful, despite this. Because there's still good competition on Green. When Castle becomes the ONLY raid force in town, Green officially dies

[Gozuk]

Who is coming up with these guild tags and who is agreeing to them? After years of <Riot> there was a great opportunity to come up with something better and you guys went with <Fuse>?

[Ripqozko]

Who is coming up with these guild tags and who is agreeing to them? After years of <Riot> there was a great opportunity to come up with something better and you guys went with <Fuse>?

there hasnt been a good guild name since rustle

[Teddie1056]

I'm still sad that <Vanquish> went with that instead of my idea: <REGULATORS>

Could have shouted "REGULATORS! Mount up." Whenever we entered a zone.

[Snaggles]

I'm still sad that <Vanquish> went with that instead of my idea: <REGULATORS>

Could have shouted "REGULATORS! Mount up." Whenever we entered a zone.

Still would have been Vanquish.

[Sabanrai]

Castle on Green has the same strategy. They team up with Safe Space, and their combined raid forces can be from 120-150 people, depending on the target.

Meanwhile, they are the least successful, despite this. Because there's still good competition on Green. When Castle becomes the ONLY raid force in town, Green officially dies

Well, Castle is indeed popular and perhaps others should endeavor to understand why players like the alliance Castle has built on the server. I see a server pop typically around 650. A raiding force consisting of multiple allied guilds, let's say 150 players, doesn't seem like a server majority. I imagine it may take a few decades yet before Castle is in any position to take over the server so there is no worry about Green dying anytime soon. Castle also seems quite successful as a raiding force. Enough so to warrant concerns from other guilds' members, like yourself.

Enjoy the competition.

[CrazyPro]

Castle on Green has the same strategy. They team up with Safe Space, and their combined raid forces can be from 120-150 people, depending on the target.

Meanwhile, they are the least successful, despite this. Because there's still good competition on Green. When Castle becomes the ONLY raid force in town, Green officially dies

Something something, "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

This all depends on your definition of success. If consistently getting big raid targets is your definition of success, which it clearly isn't, then Castle is just as successful as Kingdom and GG. If your definition of success is simply never having raid petitions filed against you, then you're spot on. Why does this keep happening recently? I dunno, blame Furoar.

We need GM enforced raid rotations. All of this needless drama is entirely preventable, the current raid scene on P99 is unhealthy and if anyone somehow thinks this absolute cesspool is the best way things can be then maybe GMs should pick them up by their fat rolls and toss them out into some grass and lock them outside until they rethink their life choices.

p99 is the ninth circle of hell, lord and savior Brad McQuaid please set us free from this pandemonium

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[kjs86z2]

<Freedom> forever

[Andyman1022]

I haven't raided on blue in years but I don't see the fun in sending 100+ people to kill a target. BDA and Taken used to do it for Trakanon (saw 120 a few times) pre-Velious. Mob dies in under 10 seconds.

Did you have fun? Did you get a realistic shot at any loot? lmaooo

So when is Fuse merging with Gravity?

I've only won 12 items since inception (March 15) with a 38% lifetime RA. OmGeRd loot lines don't exist the way you want them to in your head :)

[Pint]

Long story short, to dominate content, Kittens and Fuse created the largest guild in server history and choked out all of the smaller guilds. The smaller guilds still exist, but it's hard to compete with 150 man raids when you bring 35 people.

You could replace kittens and fuse in this post and change the year and it would just be another day on p99 blue.

[zelld52]

W I see a server pop typically around 650. A raiding force consisting of multiple allied guilds, let's say 150 players, doesn't seem like a server majority.


650 people are not raiding. Maybe 200-250 are raiding, and Castle alliance is about half of that.

[Ennewi]

I haven't raided on blue in years but I don't see the fun in sending 100+ people to kill a target. BDA and Taken used to do it for Trakanon (saw 120 a few times) pre-Velious. Mob dies in under 10 seconds.

Did you have fun? Did you get a realistic shot at any loot? lmaooo

There's still fun to be had, even just in terms of "can it be done", pushing class roles to their limit. BiS knights tanking Vyemm and Vulak, for example. Bards tanking Aary. Wizards deleting Sontalak.

It was actually harder to accomplish raid tasks as CSG, a zerg by most accounts, because with that many players, a few aren't going to be paying attention and others aren't going to follow directions well, if at all. Some would push Vulak incorrectly, right into a wall or corner, preventing the interrupt. Others would turn VS, push Iki over the tank only for them to be backstabbed, etc. In certain ways, raiding is easier with a leaner force.

But whether a guild is big or small, raid loot has always been just a matter of time, which these servers have offered far more of than classic did. Smaller guilds will see less opportunities at the hardest targets and BiS, so they also don't have the most realistic shot at specific loot; for larger guilds, the opposite holds true, with harder targets being killed more regularly, but the loot itself being divvied out among more players, requiring greater personal investment to obtain x, y, z.

[cd288]

Fuse is what happens when you take the top two raiding guilds and put them together. Before that, they had a longstanding respect for each other and would team up against Freedom/Vanquish and often for other select encounters. Officers are a mix of Riot and Kittens with Arcler as the leader.

Fuse has picked up other quality raiders and is open to new applicants.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440094

I wouldn’t say Fuse teamed up to dominate the content. Kittens would occasionally sock for natural respawns but Riot would reliably. On quakes Riot would get a lot of content but Kittens easily was getting the 2nd most kills. I was never an officer or Kittens but have been an active raider with them for years and have enjoyed hanging out with Riot pals under a shared tag with a mix of our cultures.

Or listen to what Samoht and Swish say, lol. Clearly, the elder statemen of P99…

yeah Riot would consistently sock natural spawns more, but on quakes it was virtually equal. And Kittens was starting to be able to take draft targets that Riot normally didn't have to compete on.

[Ennewi]

I'm still sad that <Vanquish> went with that instead of my idea: <REGULATORS>

Could have shouted "REGULATORS! Mount up." Whenever we entered a zone.

Still would have been Vanquish.

Vanquished. And all because of an inability or unwillingness to self-regulate.

[Tewaz]

The GMs refused to change natural respawn meta in the years after Vanquish quit so the #2 guild who competed in Fear only on natural respawns joined the #1 guild when their numbers began to wane post Quarm/THJ/Pantheon launches.

Magically, this move woke the GMs up to try different metas. This was the 16th year of CSR doing too little too late on the Project 1999 Blue server.

[kjs86z2]

Riot was a mistake right at the get go. Guild should have been called CorPSe as it was a merge of Core and Paradiggum Shit.

Fuse is another bland title...im sure ratclaw hands Arcler cooked it up.

By the way, is that nasally little carebear still at 99% RA?

[Ataxio]

Zergling guild that's worse then TMO or doljo ever was. Have had the worst experince with <Fuse> across the board since they formed. Easily worst folks going all the way back to 2013. On one had I like them being contained in one place. On the other, I don't like being trained by them over and over and am not a fan of the smarmy holier then thou attitudes that seem common amongst them.

That being said a small fraction of them are nice folks. Many such cases.

[Andyman1022]

Riot was a mistake right at the get go. Guild should have been called CorPSe as it was a merge of Core and Paradiggum Shit.

Fuse is another bland title...im sure ratclaw hands Arcler cooked it up.

By the way, is that nasally little carebear still at 99% RA?

Take a shower.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Castle on Green has the same strategy. They team up with Safe Space, and their combined raid forces can be from 120-150 people, depending on the target.

Meanwhile, they are the least successful, despite this. Because there's still good competition on Green. When Castle becomes the ONLY raid force in town, Green officially dies

Ah yes, the ol' cycle:

Guild 1 gets some raid targets
Guild 2 attempts to compete
Guild 2 realizes its a numbers meta
Guild 2 merges or partners with Guild 3
Guild 2/3 gets some raid targets
Guild 1 makes fun of them for being a zerg
Guild 1 realizes its a numbers meta
Guild 1 merges or partners with Guild 4
Guild 2/3 makes fun of them for being a zerg
.
.
.
etc

[Teddie1056]

<Fuse> broke the mold, though, Yendor.

Guild 1 got most of the raid targets.
Guild 2 got some others.
Guild 3 started building steam.
Guild 1 and 2 merged to make the largest guild in server history just to beat Guild 3.

[cd288]

<Fuse> broke the mold, though, Yendor.

Guild 1 got most of the raid targets.
Guild 2 got some others.
Guild 3 started building steam.
Guild 1 and 2 merged to make the largest guild in server history just to beat Guild 3.

It seems to me that most Kittens members didn't even want to merge. It was just certain officers and high RA folks who didn't like not getting 100% of targets. So they ruin what is quite possibly Blue's longest standing guild to merge with Riot...

[zelld52]

Ah yes, the ol' cycle:

Guild 1 gets some raid targets
Guild 2 attempts to compete
Guild 2 realizes its a numbers meta
Guild 2 merges or partners with Guild 3
Guild 2/3 gets some raid targets
Guild 1 makes fun of them for being a zerg
Guild 1 realizes its a numbers meta
Guild 1 merges or partners with Guild 4
Guild 2/3 makes fun of them for being a zerg
.
.
.
etc

How can it possibly be a numbers meta, when you have 10 people doing all the work, while the other 110 sit and soak DKP?

Seems like Guild 2 wanted to MAKE it a numbers meta.

[Snaggles]

It seems to me that most Kittens members didn't even want to merge. It was just certain officers and high RA folks who didn't like not getting 100% of targets. So they ruin what is quite possibly Blue's longest standing guild to merge with Riot...

I can only speak for me, but I was all for it. As a core raider, not in management, I understand officers have to deal with logistics when playing a game we don’t have to. Leading raids, dealing with internal squabbles and individuals, answering to the UN for the most inane of proposals by bad faith actors.

I enjoy being around my friends. The vast majority now have a different tag. The ones who retired were mostly tired long before the merge and still chat it up on Discord. Some kittens who retired have come back and apped to Fuse. The new/old Riot friends seem very cool.

This 100% was NOT a push for pixel domination. Or even a variety of pixels. Neither guild had any issue before. It’s possible that opinion was out there for some but it was not the dominant opinion (or one I even know of).

[kjs86z2]

pixel sickness gets everyone in the end

[Snaggles]

pixel sickness gets everyone in the end

Ok Toxigen.

[cd288]

I can only speak for me, but I was all for it. As a core raider, not in management, I understand officers have to deal with logistics when playing a game we don’t have to. Leading raids, dealing with internal squabbles and individuals, answering to the UN for the most inane of proposals by bad faith actors.

I enjoy being around my friends. The vast majority now have a different tag. The ones who retired were mostly tired long before the merge and still chat it up on Discord. Some kittens who retired have come back and apped to Fuse. The new/old Riot friends seem very cool.

This 100% was NOT a push for pixel domination. Or even a variety of pixels. Neither guild had any issue before. It’s possible that opinion was out there for some but it was not the dominant opinion (or one I even know of).

What was the reason then

[Snaggles]

What was the reason then

General membership didn’t take a poll. Maybe it’s just something that happens 10 years after the launch of velious?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This is the end result of rooted dragons. Unroot dragons, and smaller guilds can compete again. You'd have more small elite guilds instead of just one or two large guilds.

When dragons were unrooted you'd often see 4-5 guilds competing in ToV, including Kittens.

[Tewaz]

This is the end result of rooted dragons. Unroot dragons, and smaller guilds can compete again. You'd have more small elite guilds instead of just one or two large guilds.

When dragons were unrooted you'd often see 4-5 guilds competing in ToV, including Kittens.

We competed on quakes.

Real problem is natural respawn windows. If those were shorter we would've competed more.

[zelld52]

Real problem is natural respawn windows. If those were shorter we would've competed more.

Yah, I was part of a more-casual guild that also competed on Quakes, but nobody wanted to spend 16/24 hours poopsocking a window, so the natural spawns all went to the guilds with members willing to do that.

That's the real answer. Unrooting dragons would change the raid meta for the hardcore players that can answer batphones at any time of day, and have a core force willing to sock windows.

But it wouldn't open the door for more casual raiders to win targets.

[kjs86z2]

But it wouldn't open the door for more casual raiders to win targets.

1 hour FTE lockouts + unrooted would - at least on repop day after a quake where spawn timers are still tight

if your guild cant do the bare minimum then yeah...you won't get shit outside of drafts and quakes

and if your guild isn't willing track, do you even have people competent enough to pull an unrooted dragon to ToV entrance? prob not

[zelld52]

1 hour FTE lockouts + unrooted would - at least on repop day after a quake where spawn timers are still tight

if your guild cant do the bare minimum then yeah...you won't get shit outside of drafts and quakes

and if your guild isn't willing track, do you even have people competent enough to pull an unrooted dragon to ToV entrance? prob not

true, the lockouts would help. but spare time to sit at stare at a screen for hours and hours waiting for a spawn does not equate to competence in raiding. they are mutually exclusive.

in the smaller more casual guilds (that can compete on quakes), in my experience, have much tighter Ops than the large guilds that people know they can join and soak DKP without lifting a finger to help.

id rather be 1 of 2 shaman on a raid, where each shaman is a pro at timing slows and doesnt get killed - compared to 1 of 8 shaman on a raid, where 4 shaman are slowing, 3 are slowing too early, and 4 are sitting semi AFK waiting for buffs for tells.

its just that people have lives and dont have the time to sit at a screen for dozens of hours per week waiting for 25 year old raid mobs to spawn, or log in at 3am because they have discord notifications set to wake them up if King Tormax spawns over night

[kjs86z2]

oh shit i didnt see Visc's post

evidently they're trying 1 hour lockouts...starting today

guarantee theres a quake this weekend

have fun staying inside

[YendorLootmonkey]

How can it possibly be a numbers meta, when you have 10 people doing all the work, while the other 110 sit and soak DKP?

Seems like Guild 2 wanted to MAKE it a numbers meta.

Just in case you weren't being intentionally obtuse...

Because if you need X of Y class to FTE and successfully kill a raid target, what are you going to be able to more quickly get that bare minimum class composition (and thus FTE faster) with?

100 available casual-hardcore raiders

50% of which can log in within 30 seconds of spawn
20% of which can log in within 60 seconds of spawn,
10% of which can log in within 90 seconds of spawn, etc.


50 available hardcore raiders

75% of which can log in within 30 seconds of spawn
15% of which can log in within 60 seconds of spawn
5% of which can log in within 90 seconds of spawn, etc.


Casual-hardcore guild has 50 players logged in at 30 seconds
Hardcore guild has 45 players logged in at 60 seconds

It's all about who can reach critical mass the quickest... and that is a numbers game, my friend. If you don't have the responsiveness because you don't have the same percentage of try-hards chained to the computer, you can't tell people to change their lives, quit their jobs, ignore their families to be ready to log in at any given point in time -- you compensate with numbers.

[Naethyn]

Riot didn't need kittens to dominate content over some non existent #3 guild. Fuse was created to "keep the band together" as a result of kittens leadership not wanting to be as active anymore.

In the end it really comes down to leadership - who wants to keep putting in the effort, because it takes a ton of maintenance behind the scenes. Riot/Fuse is lucky to have leadership who keep putting in the effort when other guild's leadership has decided to quit or move on.

I really wish it was about competition but it's not. I've been saying #K1C1 for over 5 years now and this isn't a 2024/2025 problem.

[Duik]

Sounds like raiding is a shit fight. I'd rather beat up Emporer Crush a dozen times than play with diaper wearing adult babies.
B.I.S = Butts In Shit.

[JayDee]

650 people are not raiding. Maybe 200-250 are raiding, and Castle alliance is about half of that.


Haven't they got like 15 out of the last 20 vulaks

[Ekco]

<Freedom> forever

this, i guess.

got the game working on Linux and logged in. /who all feels like a completely different server.

https://i.imgur.com/BCfImFs.png

will be chilling in Kedge farming Driftwood Treasure Chests if anyone needs me.

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/wzIMjyc.png

let's go.

[Swish]

Your spell icon choices are disturbing.

[Ekco]

i'll ask AI to vibe code me a better UI at somepoint.

[zelld52]

Haven't they got like 15 out of the last 20 vulaks

no.

they recently came off of a concede 3 on Vulak for training Good Guys during their encounter, lul.

[cd288]

This is the end result of rooted dragons. Unroot dragons, and smaller guilds can compete again. You'd have more small elite guilds instead of just one or two large guilds.

When dragons were unrooted you'd often see 4-5 guilds competing in ToV, including Kittens.

Kittens competed totally fine in ToV with rooted dragons. They and Riot would commonly be racing around the ring. Kittens got their fair share of Vulak and Doze, etc.

Sucks that smaller guilds can't compete, but we don't need cheesy pulling tactics that eliminate doing the zone/raids as designed. I don't remember people using these pulling tactics on live and if they'd become widespread you can bet the EQ devs would've shut it down or done something like rooting the dragons.

[kjs86z2]

hows 1 hour FTE lockout going?

oh wait theres only 1 guild anyway, nvm

they were a couple years late for this test/trial

[zelld52]

Kittens competed totally fine in ToV with rooted dragons. They and Riot would commonly be racing around the ring. Kittens got their fair share of Vulak and Doze, etc.

Sucks that smaller guilds can't compete, but we don't need cheesy pulling tactics that eliminate doing the zone/raids as designed. I don't remember people using these pulling tactics on live and if they'd become widespread you can bet the EQ devs would've shut it down or done something like rooting the dragons.

there's also a mechanic that im not sure was present ever on p99- but Aaryonar is supposed to be aggro linked to Vulak and all his blockers.

ive only seen it happen once, but my guild in 2002 was engaged on Lady M, and Aary popped -- dude came all the way around the ring, brought all the spawns along the way and him and Lady M stomped our raid

[cd288]

there's also a mechanic that im not sure was present ever on p99- but Aaryonar is supposed to be aggro linked to Vulak and all his blockers.

ive only seen it happen once, but my guild in 2002 was engaged on Lady M, and Aary popped -- dude came all the way around the ring, brought all the spawns along the way and him and Lady M stomped our raid

Interesting. I'd be interested to see evidence that this was an intended mechanic as opposed to an aggro bug that your guild happened to experience

[zelld52]

Interesting. I'd be interested to see evidence that this was an intended mechanic as opposed to an aggro bug that your guild happened to experience

I'm very interested as well - when I first started raiding on p99 I expected that to be a thing, I thought it was the devs way of saying "ya cant crawl ToV til ya kill Aary."

The guild raid leaders at the time seemed to think everyone was accounted for - and there was no competition so its not like an opposing guild trained us. You'd need basically a quad DA to get from Aary to Lady M - not sure anyone would have committed the resources to such a train way back in 2002.

Perhaps a bug, but it spooked me and everyone else raiding to always spot check for other dragons while engaged on blockers.

[kjs86z2]

nobody was doing quad DA train aways in 2002 lmao

[zelld52]

I know for a fact that all the Lords, Ladies and Aary were definitely aggro-linked to Vulak. And only a few of them were rooted (Aary was not) - so if they popped while on a Vulak engage, depending on the dragon you'd get Call of the Zero or theyd come to you (or a combination of both)

[zelld52]

Interesting. I'd be interested to see evidence that this was an intended mechanic as opposed to an aggro bug that your guild happened to experience


From Allakhazam (and even p99 wiki has this)

"Aaryonar guards the entrance to the main ring of the northern wing. He will come to the aid of any other dragons if aggro'd before he is killed except the five in the very northern hall. "

Yeah, if he pops while youre killing any inner ring dragons, he should come after you.

[Snaggles]

hows 1 hour FTE lockout going?

oh wait theres only 1 guild anyway, nvm

they were a couple years late for this test/trial

Sanctum got Doz and some others.

[Ripqozko]

Kittens competed totally fine in ToV with rooted dragons. They and Riot would commonly be racing around the ring. Kittens got their fair share of Vulak and Doze, etc.

Sucks that smaller guilds can't compete, but we don't need cheesy pulling tactics that eliminate doing the zone/raids as designed. I don't remember people using these pulling tactics on live and if they'd become widespread you can bet the EQ devs would've shut it down or done something like rooting the dragons.

Nah, kittens came to tov on quakes and we stayed out of the way when y'all would go right and we went left. Kittens didn't exist on big natties.

[cd288]

I was talking about quakes...

[cd288]

From Allakhazam (and even p99 wiki has this)

"Aaryonar guards the entrance to the main ring of the northern wing. He will come to the aid of any other dragons if aggro'd before he is killed except the five in the very northern hall. "

Yeah, if he pops while youre killing any inner ring dragons, he should come after you.

That's a cool mechanic.

Is it definitive that that doesn't exist on P99? I would wonder if Aary basically just never spawns naturally during other natural spawns just due to the windows and on quakes he's killed first.

[zelld52]

That's a cool mechanic.

Is it definitive that that doesn't exist on P99? I would wonder if Aary basically just never spawns naturally during other natural spawns just due to the windows and on quakes he's killed first.

I've been on a Vulak encounter when Aary spawned on p99 - he does not aggro. Vulak goes Invulnerable, but no engage on Aary

[WarpathEQ]

Aary is rooted, Vulak is rooted. The reason Vulak becomes invulnerable when a "blocker" spawns is because the blocker is rooted and can't come to Vulak's aid like it would have in classic. Otherwise yes, Aary would come to the aid of the other dragons including Vulak if not killed before them.

It would really be a non-issue since the non-rooted dragon meta would be to pull them to the entrance and kill them, with Aary being the first pull/closest to the entrance of the inner ring.

[cd288]

Good point

[zelld52]

It would really be a non-issue since the non-rooted dragon meta would be to pull them to the entrance and kill them, with Aary being the first pull/closest to the entrance of the inner ring.

need less quakes to spread out the spawns a bit.

[WarpathEQ]

need less quakes to spread out the spawns a bit.

I've actually found that to be a pretty reliable metric when a natural vulak spawns and there are other blockers in window or one spawns during a vulak FTE the liklihood of a quake soon becomes very high.

[kjs86z2]

rat claw hands and grown men who pretend to be cats dominating 2025

[knottyb0y]

Fuse is home to the majority of the raiders on blue.

Riot was pretty uncontested at #1 for a while after scrapping to get there for years.

Between quakes and drafts and FTE lockouts now, it seems smaller guilds get their share of raid encounters.

Fuse really has an edge due to leadership, coordination which is augmented by numbers.

In reality smaller guilds can AND do get raid mobs that Fuse contests. But their margin for error is smaller (though FTE lockouts help).

In my experience, most the Fuse folks are rather chill, helpful and respectful. Merging with kittens definitely increased Fuse's non raiding membership significantly, but many of the Kittens Raiders are playing critical roles in our major raids so it works out.

Fuse gives raids to the majority of the active players who raid on Blue.

Competition from other guilds exists. Some of us want to be a on a crack team of 20 elites who share the pile of loot. Others enjoy being a part of a big organization. Play your way.

Loot distribution in fuse isn't as bad as rumored. Major Vulak drops go for a lot, but gearing up a main or alt toon is very viable even without a huge raid attendance if you spend your dkp wisely.

[red_demonman]

Monthly drafts when?

[Sivaeb]

Monthly drafts when?

Hopefully never.

[Teddie1056]

"Fuse really has an edge due to leadership, coordination which is augmented by numbers."

Let's be real here. Fuse has an edge because they are bringing 5x as many players to raids than the #2. If Fuse was still Riot and Kittens separated, I fully think this new meta would have Sanctum and Gravity going punch for punch with Riot, and Kittens falling behind.

[cd288]

Kittens was well ahead of both those guilds and competing with riot a decent amount.

The merge wasn’t due to lack of numbers or skilled raiders on the kittens side

[Snaggles]

Stop wasting time giving the raiders tips, Teddee.
There are probably more muffin quests out there.

[Teddie1056]

Kittens was well ahead of both those guilds and competing with riot a decent amount.

The merge wasn’t due to lack of numbers or skilled raiders on the kittens side

Then what exactly was the point of the merge?

[Teddie1056]

Stop wasting time giving the raiders tips, Teddee.
There are probably more muffin quests out there.



You joke, but I actually do have a shitload of muffin quests to do.

[cd288]

Then what exactly was the point of the merge?

My understanding is that the leadership of Kittens was getting tired (the current raid leadership had been running it for years) and there wasn't anyone in Kittens overly interested in taking their place. And who can blame them, it's a lot...quakes, bat phone for natural spawns, ring wars, weekly Sky, weekly HoT, plus other weekly guild events.

So the answer was to merge into Riot since they would welcome any Kittens raiders who wanted to join and they have a raid leadership team who still wanted to be responsible for doing all the work required.

[Ripqozko]

Then what exactly was the point of the merge?

kittens was running out of leaders and to save face it was easier to call it a merge than to app.

[kjs86z2]

grown men can only pretend to be cats online for so long

[Ekco]

grown men can only pretend to be cats online for so long

https://i.imgur.com/sXJ7tnY.png
[Shits in litter box angrily]

[Lifebar]

A-Team WILL get epics.

[cd288]

kittens was running out of leaders and to save face it was easier to call it a merge than to app.

Put another way: Kittens has more people who casually enjoy P99 and have real lives and don't feel like being on call to do the same raid for the 10,000th time on an emulated server that's been around for like 15 years.

Riot has more of the people with no lives/future

[Ripqozko]

Put another way: Kittens has more people who casually enjoy P99 and have real lives and don't feel like being on call to do the same raid for the 10,000th time on an emulated server that's been around for like 15 years.

Riot has more of the people with no lives/future

apparently not since they joined and become the same

[kjs86z2]

Put another way: Kittens has more people who casually enjoy P99 and have real lives and don't feel like being on call to do the same raid for the 10,000th time on an emulated server that's been around for like 15 years.

Riot has more of the people with no lives/future

Anyone still playing p99 falls into this category. Sorry you don't got life / future hope this helps.

[Teddie1056]

My understanding is that the leadership of Kittens was getting tired (the current raid leadership had been running it for years) and there wasn't anyone in Kittens overly interested in taking their place. And who can blame them, it's a lot...quakes, bat phone for natural spawns, ring wars, weekly Sky, weekly HoT, plus other weekly guild events.

So the answer was to merge into Riot since they would welcome any Kittens raiders who wanted to join and they have a raid leadership team who still wanted to be responsible for doing all the work required.
So Kittens was dying and the mouth breathers wanted to keep doing nothing to get loot? Okay, I understand that.

Why did RIOT do it?

[Naethyn]

To save the server.

[OriginalContentGuy]

To save the server.
To be fair the server is probably RAID instanced and would be saved no matter what Riot did. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

[Teddie1056]

I assume you are just trolling, but in case you are actually being serious, how does this save the server?

[zelld52]

I assume you are just trolling, but in case you are actually being serious, how does this save the server?

It doesn't. Less guilds is worse for the server. 10 people do all the work on the raid, and the other 100 wait for their items to drop

[Naethyn]

I assume you are just trolling, but in case you are actually being serious, how does this save the server?

Riot didn't need kittens to dominate content over some non existent #3 guild. Fuse was created to "keep the band together" as a result of kittens leadership not wanting to be as active anymore.

People might have quit if they weren't given a soft landing somewhere else and blue raid scene isn't healthy enough to lose that many players.

I really wish it was about competition but it's not. I've been saying #K1C1 for over 5 years now and this isn't a 2024/2025 problem.

[kjs86z2]

oh noes how will we do AoW without 100 ppl

[Ripqozko]

It doesn't. Less guilds is worse for the server. 10 people do all the work on the raid, and the other 100 wait for their items to drop

you maybe new, there could be 100 guilds and everyone one of them also is this way.

[kjs86z2]

you maybe new, there could be 100 guilds and everyone one of them also is this way.

wasnt like that in Freedom

just sayin bub

[Ripqozko]

wasnt like that in Freedom

just sayin bub

it was like that in every guild, few does work, rest suck the tit.

just a matter of what you did

[zelld52]

it was like that in every guild, few does work, rest suck the tit.

just a matter of what you did

yeah but at least there would be 10 people from each guild competing against each other, instead of a massive zerg army dominating simply because nobody else can cobble together 30 people for a raid

[kjs86z2]

it was like that in every guild, few does work, rest suck the tit.

just a matter of what you did

nah

you wasnt there

it did become that immediately after merge w/ AG tho, lotsa wallickers

[Jimjam]

Lol competition addicts on a collaborative roleplaying game. Never ceases to amuse me.

[Ripqozko]

yeah but at least there would be 10 people from each guild competing against each other, instead of a massive zerg army dominating simply because nobody else can cobble together 30 people for a raid

sorry you dont got raid

[Ekco]

it was walllickers before the merge, i was one of them.

[Ennewi]

Even in smaller guilds, if everyone tried to do all the obvious work on raids, that work would take more work and it might even be undone. Can't have everyone leading. There comes a point when too much of a good thing is bad. Too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak. Pullers stepping on each others' toes. Kiters crossing streams, aggro bouncing all over. Tanks can wait in the wings for adds or if the MA goes down, but otherwise they're DPS.

The same goes for group content. Typically, one puller, one tank, one or more CC. Heal/support roles and especially DPS can be legion. One player can fulfill multiple active roles, but usually not the other way around. As a result, most of the group stays in camp, similar to the raid force. If the puller dies, rogue suddenly takes lead and drags the corpse. If a train overtakes the group, ench/bard mezzes or dru/wiz evacs. The leadership role changes as the situation does, with each class having an opportunity to shine.

[Ennewi]

Perfect example of this is when everyone tries to talk over each other in coms. Gotta have one, maybe two people with speaking privileges when shit hits the fan, otherwise things just get shittier.

[Ennewi]

That said, there's the good way to follow and the bad. The bad way? Player AFKs without using /afk, standing in a bad spot right before the raid needs to move, pull, or vacate a wing. The bad train the tree, being too cheap or absent-minded to use invis. The bad also don't prepark their alts to loot quickly, which creates delays for kiters and the guild as a whole. The bad rogues don't stealth down to trak. The bad zerg push backstabbing targets over the MA. The bad plow enrage. The bad click translocate before dropping group. The bad botch their ring war turn-in (guilty).

A lot of what makes a good follower is based on what you don't do and a lot of what makes a good leader is based on what you do do. But then the bad followers do force the good leaders to be that much better, which isn't entirely bad. Still though, get good.

[Naethyn]

I want competition too but the reality is we don’t have it so why not just all play together? To have competition you need a ruleset that fosters it or hope fuse leadership gets bored and leaves like the other leaderships have.

[Swish]

Imagine making a mistake which causes delays on a 26 year old elf sim.

[Teddie1056]

People might have quit if they weren't given a soft landing somewhere else and blue raid scene isn't healthy enough to lose that many players.
What??!?!?! OH FUCKING PLEASE. You did it FOR the health of the server??????

Kittens members would have just filtered into various guilds like every other guild break up. The Megaguild was TERRIBLE for the server. You guys really do huff your own farts about shit like this?

[Ekco]

You guys really do huff your own farts about shit like this?

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his DKP depends upon his not understanding it"

[Naethyn]

I want competition too but the reality is we don’t have it so why not just all play together? To have competition you need a ruleset that fosters it or hope fuse leadership gets bored and leaves like the other leaderships have.

[Ennewi]

You guys really do huff your own farts about shit like this?

SYDG
https://wiki.project1999.com/Vial_of_Roiling_Gas

[Duik]

SYDG
https://wiki.project1999.com/Vial_of_Roiling_Gas

That is more like what Reiwa would post.

I like you Ennewi.

[Snaggles]

Kittens members would have just filtered into various guilds like every other guild break up. The Megaguild was TERRIBLE for the server. You guys really do huff your own farts about shit like this?

Based on what actual understanding of Kittens?

I was a raider there for 7 years and have a decent feel on the type of crowd. Our leaders were kind, calm and capable. We went from very casual to killing the hardest targets in the game. If any guild was overtly toxic or incompetent most wouldn’t be tempted to join them.

More likely than not we would either quit, join Riot, some would stay Kittens as a vanity tag. Maybe some as a small offshoot guild like Eclipse.

Not that I was asked, but I feel this was the best solution for our former guild. It keeps the whole intact without “parting it out”. I’m enjoying being with current friends, old Riot ones (former kittens), and meeting new great ex Riot folks.

I would either app and see what it’s all about or stop worrying about “what really happened”. Following the principle of Occam’s Razor the most likely scenario is that we joined guilds to have fun without thinking about those who weren’t us, who wouldnt be a good “Fuse” guild. We weren’t struggling to kill what we did separately, now we kill them together.

[Ripqozko]

What??!?!?! OH FUCKING PLEASE. You did it FOR the health of the server??????

Kittens members would have just filtered into various guilds like every other guild break up. The Megaguild was TERRIBLE for the server. You guys really do huff your own farts about shit like this?

We did it for the rock

[Dundrige]

I hope Vanquish comes back it was sad when they broke up... yea Kittens competed when they wanted to but it was inconsistent. Whenever Vanquish was in zone Riot was ON LIKE DONKEY KONG. I miss those days

[kjs86z2]

I hope Vanquish comes back it was sad when they broke up... yea Kittens competed when they wanted to but it was inconsistent. Whenever Vanquish was in zone Riot was ON LIKE DONKEY KONG. I miss those days

never gonna happen

the real ones have all moved on

games dead

[Dundrige]

never gonna happen

the real ones have all moved on

games dead

Why did they move on?

[Ekco]

Why did they move on?

you can only "f*** around" so much with https://project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=69

before you "find out" and your server only has 200 people online on a sunday morning

+ Green and other options for people's time sure... but entire guilds worth of people were leaving before that was a thing.

[Snaggles]

“The real ones” need sarcastic quotation marks.

It this is a dead game without them, it’s never looked so good without a pulse.

[Ekco]

nah, my point is literally the opposite.

the real ones broke the fragile ecosystem with one too many guild merges and gatekeeping a lil too hard in the paint.

[Ennewi]

Everyone knows the pop would/will jump with the announcement of new green and/or custom content. Posts that promise x, y, z will be the end of the server have aged worse than the server itself.

[Snaggles]

nah, my point is literally the opposite.

the real ones broke the fragile ecosystem with one too many guild merges and gatekeeping a lil too hard in the paint.

That was as a nip at Kj. All good :)

Imagine missing Furoar, Detoxx and Venice. Churn and burn, transactional antics, bad faith arguments. What a pillar of the server.

[Ekco]

Posts that promise x, y, z will be the end of the server have aged worse than the server itself.

idk, looks pretty ended to me, maybe our definitions are different.

and i'm okay with that, i play solo so this new experience of the camps i camp being open whenever i want is pretty neato

>Everyone knows the pop would/will jump with the announcement of new green and/or custom content.

i don't see how a new announcement of anything other than a merge does blue any good

new green? awesome lemme go play on blue, wut.

[Ennewi]

i don't see how a new announcement of anything other than a merge does blue any good

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86584

[Dundrige]

What if we crowdfunded a p99 commercial on tv? Would that get more players on here you think?

[Moodie]

<Fuse> broke the mold, though, Yendor.

Guild 1 got most of the raid targets.
Guild 2 got some others.
Guild 3 started building steam.
Guild 1 and 2 merged to make the largest guild in server history just to beat Guild 3.

Gravity had nothing to do with any decision to merge with Kittens. The real story is it started as an offhand joke made by one of the Riot Officers. It was surprisingly well received by Kittens because they had some real issues with officer burn out. They went from competing for Vulak to operating as a raiding guild primarily only on quakes in a short amount of time as a result of the momentum they lost from constant GM Meta changes. It was either merge or see Kittens dwindle and seeing an even bigger group of them leave. So yes, at least part of the reason was for the health of the server.

Despite the crying and demands made from Gravity to CSR post-merge because the "dozens" of new recruits never manifested in their ranks. Gravity went from killing a few quake mobs and like hate mobs pre-merge to a much larger percentage of mobs post merge, as a result of the fact that one guild can only be at one place at a time instead of competing against 2 entities... even before the tailor made meta. Drafts had one less entity selecting raid targets as well. So essentially it resulted in everyone in the raid scene winning.

[Swish]

How long are the Fuse pixel lines? Wouldn't it be better for a new raid scene arrival to go to a Sanctum guild at this point?

[Teddie1056]

The crazy thing is Fuse is still recruiting! I talked to a guy that was in one of the Sanctum guilds, and they told him to leave and join Fuse. They said he could get all the gear he wants in a year or so and then leave to join another guild. Why not close recruiting? Why are you still trying destroy every other guild on the server?

[Jimjam]

The crazy thing is Fuse is still recruiting! I talked to a guy that was in one of the Sanctum guilds, and they told him to leave and join Fuse. They said he could get all the gear he wants in a year or so and then leave to join another guild. Why not close recruiting? Why are you still trying destroy every other guild on the server?

They want to be the one stop shop for raiding and gearing. It isn’t really about denying people pixels anymore.

[rathikus]

They want to be the one stop shop for raiding and gearing. It isn’t really about denying people pixels anymore.

Doesn’t matter what you’re guild in. Pixels are being denied everywhere unless you’re a 1% poopsocker.

Source: Ranger main who can’t get epic because hitsquads are holding certain mobs hostage.

[Ennewi]

The crazy thing is Fuse is still recruiting! I talked to a guy that was in one of the Sanctum guilds, and they told him to leave and join Fuse. They said he could get all the gear he wants in a year or so and then leave to join another guild. Why not close recruiting? Why are you still trying destroy every other guild on the server?

This is conveniently vague in every way except the one that furthers the same narrative which was just shown to have no merit. First attempt failed but, hey, why be deterred when confronted with how incorrect those previous assertions were, when another one can be made instead.

Also, recruiting one member does not equate to destroying another guild, much less every guild on the server. As low as the server pop has been, that's still hyperbolic.

[Teddie1056]

Just admit that you guys are bad for the server and don't give a shit.

[Samoht]

Why did they move on?

Vanquish was absolutely smashing Riot. Arcler was in chats claiming Riot was getting 95% of raid targets, but he was holding things together with lies.

Then they somehow got GMs to implement Riot friendly raid rules that were confusing and contradictory. Guilds had to track things themselves, and that made it more confusing.

That killed the momentum. The thrill seekers moved on to other things for their dopamine fix.

Then the schisms came. Splinter guilds like Gravity and Get Off My Lawn were formed.

And the funny thing is, during any of this time or during the period where Vanquish was a shadow of its former self, I never would have considered Kittens as the #2 guild on this server. That's just hilarious. A guild surviving on an average of about one raid mob per quake would never qualify as #2.

[Ennewi]

Just admit that you guys are bad for the server and don't give a shit.

It's worth pointing out that, from memory, only one guild openly sought to Vanquish another, not giving a shit about the server rules or community.

Grats on assuming the worst in others though, without evidence, even after those misperceptions have been challenged.

[cd288]

Why did RIOT do it?

Because why would you ever turn down adding a group of very experienced raiders who have experience leading in the raid scene? The more people who have done some of the more complex strats the better it is for your raid team...and now you have backup people who can help lead things in a pinch if the main Riot raid leaders were for some reason unavailable.

[Snaggles]

Just admit that you guys are bad for the server and don't give a shit.

The last time I saw you adjacent to the raid scene you were training ice burrowers on Scout and then cussing us out in /ooc.

Jute lobbied to bring the Draft to p99. It’s been a positive influence on the server. You were in Vanquish, whose leader threatened to punch his own guildies teeth in. Let’s not clutch our pearls and virtue signal about server health.

[Samoht]

Jute lobbied to bring the Draft to p99. It’s been a positive influence on the server.

The only thing I've ever witnessed kittens leaders do well, Juicebox included, was act like insufferable pricks in the UN and then devolve into crybabies when somebody returned their aggression. Reminds me of having a baby brother.

Oh, and there was that time he designated raid loot to himself on a server koi raid. That was fucked.

[Moodie]

How long are the Fuse pixel lines? Wouldn't it be better for a new raid scene arrival to go to a Sanctum guild at this point?

Like for an abashi? Maybe a year of regular raiding because of drop rate. It depends what your after. A lot of BIS items are not nearly as long of a wait like maybe a quake worth of DKP.


But some of us just enjoy logging in and raiding with each other. Arthion has like 10x DKP of the next highest person because he never buys anything and when he does it’s usually droppables for guild events. Personally, I would be raiding with Fuse/Riot if they were the number 10 guild because I’ve been raiding with the same people for 10+ years since Taken through the times we were beating TMO on like 1 target every few weeks.

[Moodie]

The crazy thing is Fuse is still recruiting! I talked to a guy that was in one of the Sanctum guilds, and they told him to leave and join Fuse. They said he could get all the gear he wants in a year or so and then leave to join another guild. Why not close recruiting? Why are you still trying destroy every other guild on the server?

Most of our recruits are people that were Riot / Kittens that missed the deadline.

[Ennewi]

trying to dodge their reputation... they're still just as bad

insufferable pricks... devolve into crybabies... Reminds me of having a baby brother.

__________________
IRONY

[Teddie1056]

It's worth pointing out that, from memory, only one guild openly sought to Vanquish another, not giving a shit about the server rules or community.

Grats on assuming the worst in others though, without evidence, even after those misperceptions have been challenged.
Blah blah blah blah. Jeez, it's so insufferable. You challenged my understanding of the situation just like a piece of paper challenges a hurricane. You guys combined out of cowardice. You are bringing the LARGEST raid responses at a time when the server is at its smallest. GMs literally changed the meta because you were killing the raid scene on the server with the move. It was anticompetitive and pathetic.

[Teddie1056]

"But some of us just enjoy logging in and raiding with each other."

Who though? Do you know the 140 people showing up to afk for DKP? Make a guild with those people you like. That's why I am in Gravity and not Fuse. I am playing with people I like that I have played with for years now. If we merged into Fuse, I would leave, and probably join TSS.

[Teddie1056]

Because why would you ever turn down adding a group of very experienced raiders who have experience leading in the raid scene? The more people who have done some of the more complex strats the better it is for your raid team...and now you have backup people who can help lead things in a pinch if the main Riot raid leaders were for some reason unavailable.
Because you didn't need them? Because it's anticompetitive and bad for the server? Because you were the two biggest guilds on the server?

[Naethyn]

#K1C1

[Teddie1056]

#K3C1 >>>> #K1C1

[Samoht]

#K3C1 >>>> #K1C1

Keeping track of 2 was terribad enough.

[kjs86z2]

Vanquish was absolutely smashing Riot. Arcler was in chats claiming Riot was getting 95% of raid targets, but he was holding things together with lies.

Then they somehow got GMs to implement Riot friendly raid rules that were confusing and contradictory. Guilds had to track things themselves, and that made it more confusing.

That killed the momentum. The thrill seekers moved on to other things for their dopamine fix.

Then the schisms came. Splinter guilds like Gravity and Get Off My Lawn were formed.

And the funny thing is, during any of this time or during the period where Vanquish was a shadow of its former self, I never would have considered Kittens as the #2 guild on this server. That's just hilarious. A guild surviving on an average of about one raid mob per quake would never qualify as #2.


Bag limits kept Riot on life support. Something that had never been seen before nor seen again. A special rule for one particular time...hmmm...

Without that bullshit they would have lost their most dedicated raiders and would have been put in the ground where they belonged.

Must be nice to have friends in the Green Title Syndicate.

[Ennewi]

You challenged my understanding of the situation just like a piece of paper challenges a hurricane.

Hurricanes are destructive to communities. Green pieces of paper are used to rebuild those communities. So, okay, agreed.

GMs literally changed the meta because you were killing the raid scene on the server with the move.

A move that previous meta changes contributed towards. With fingers on the pulse of the server, that might not have happened, at least not when it did. If this meta change came sooner, it would have helped prevent the very problem you're up in arms about. Rather than lament and rail incessantly about that, those who were hindered by the meta change simply adapted.

It was a̶n̶t̶i̶c̶o̶m̶p̶e̶t̶i̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶a̶t̶h̶e̶t̶i̶c̶ classic.

Even so, no one, including myself, is really opposed to the efforts being made to spread out the dragon wealth and inject competitive spirit into raids.

My preferences lean more towards the camp meta because racing is problematic and not classic but, at the end of the day, it's not the end of the world. Pixels aren't more important than the community and certainly aren't worth berating others over.

[kjs86z2]

Lets reinstate bag limits for <Fuse> so the rest of the server can get some pixels.

[cd288]

Blah blah blah blah. Jeez, it's so insufferable. You challenged my understanding of the situation just like a piece of paper challenges a hurricane. You guys combined out of cowardice. You are bringing the LARGEST raid responses at a time when the server is at its smallest. GMs literally changed the meta because you were killing the raid scene on the server with the move. It was anticompetitive and pathetic.

Bit ironic that your making arguments talking about things being negative for the server and other players, yet you're interacting with people like this (and have interacted negatively with people in game...and you were in Vanquish lol). You don't seem like a very positive presence. In fact, for the most part this thread was pretty lowkey and not inflammatory until you started posting frequently in it.

[Ennewi]

would have been put in the ground where they belonged.

Yikes.

[Naethyn]

Lets reinstate bag limits for <Fuse> so the rest of the server can get some pixels.

We could have had this had Gravity and Sanctum come to an agreement. Unfortunately, they didnt want #K1C1. It went up for vote and it failed, because Sanctum didnt support Gravity's proposal. So here we are and everyone involved gets what they deserve.

[Teddie1056]

Bit ironic that your making arguments talking about things being negative for the server and other players, yet you're interacting with people like this (and have interacted negatively with people in game...and you were in Vanquish lol). You don't seem like a very positive presence. In fact, for the most part this thread was pretty lowkey and not inflammatory until you started posting frequently in it.
Cool. You deserve the negativity. You do bad things, you get bad responses. I generally have very positive interactions with people in game. I have been on the server for 15 years now, have helped tons of people, and care about the server. Just because a few Fuse hate me for pointing out their stuff doesn't change that most people like me.

And no, having a massive serverwide zerg was not classic. Top level raiders would not have tolerated non-competitive raiders in their guilds.

"Even so, no one, including myself, is really opposed to the efforts being made to spread out the dragon wealth and inject competitive spirit into raids."

Then split Fuse into 2 or 3 guilds. It's that simple.

It's also a little unhinged how butthurt you are about players being in Vanquish years ago. You got people in your guild that were in TMO, and TMO doxxed people and tried to get them to kill themselves. Should I hold that against you?

[Moodie]

It's also a little unhinged how butthurt you are about players being in Vanquish years ago. You got people in your guild that were in TMO, and TMO doxxed people and tried to get them to kill themselves. Should I hold that against you?

Theres like 3 people that were in TMO in Fuse including Snackies who is awesome. All of them pretty well liked and respected. How many Vanquish are in Gravity? How many are officers?

[Ekco]

iirc Snackies left us for Riot because we were acting so bad.

and by "us" i mean w/e tag it was post TMO which i only got due to needing warm bodies* i remember being like wtf when he left though

[Ennewi]

You deserve the negativity. You do bad things, you get bad responses.

"That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did...You deserved it."

And no, having a massive serverwide zerg was not classic.

Serverwide is an exaggeration of one guild and also a mischaracterization of what was said. Generally speaking, classic servers had one guild that dominated, with others waiting for the next expansion to progress in their shadow.

As is, three other guilds participate in the draft and are present for quakes/nat respawns. Severwide zergs only happen when staff gets a draft pick that is made available...to the server.

Then split Fuse into 2 or 3 guilds. It's that simple.

CSR has provided its solution and will make changes if deemed necessary. It's that simple.

It's also a little unhinged how butthurt you are about players being in Vanquish years ago.

It's anything but. The same happened in classic, with forum posters accounting for PNP violations in a game genre that exists primarily for players to socialize within the rules.

You got people in your guild that were in TMO, and TMO doxxed people and tried to get them to kill themselves. Should I hold that against you?

Whataboutism. But, even then, the players in question weren't the specific offenders and aren't in league with them anymore. No offshoot of TMO currently exists under a different tag either. Regardless, this isn't a strong argument to make.

[Moodie]

Whataboutism. But, even then, the players in question weren't the specific offenders and aren't in league with them anymore. No offshoot of TMO currently exists under a different tag either. Regardless, this isn't a strong argument to make.

Well there is a guild that was an offshoot from a direct line of TMO successor guilds. You’ll never guess which one it is

[cd288]

Cool. You deserve the negativity. You do bad things, you get bad responses. I generally have very positive interactions with people in game. I have been on the server for 15 years now, have helped tons of people, and care about the server. Just because a few Fuse hate me for pointing out their stuff doesn't change that most people like me.

And no, having a massive serverwide zerg was not classic. Top level raiders would not have tolerated non-competitive raiders in their guilds.

"Even so, no one, including myself, is really opposed to the efforts being made to spread out the dragon wealth and inject competitive spirit into raids."

Then split Fuse into 2 or 3 guilds. It's that simple.

It's also a little unhinged how butthurt you are about players being in Vanquish years ago. You got people in your guild that were in TMO, and TMO doxxed people and tried to get them to kill themselves. Should I hold that against you?

???

Did you mean to respond to someone else? Lol

Also, I'm not in Riot??

[Ennewi]

Well there is a guild that was an offshoot from a direct line of TMO successor guilds. You’ll never guess which one it is

https://i.imgur.com/ByOIOJw.gif

[Snaggles]

Lets reinstate bag limits for <Fuse> so the rest of the server can get some pixels.

Are you raiding?

Currently it’s FTE tag football with 1hr lockouts without a kill/concede baked in. Something so soft that if Kittens suggested it Detoxx would have had a stroke. It’s helped Sanctum land a quake Doz, pretty sure their first ever outside the draft.

[Ripqozko]

Lot of people Yelling at clouds without warder loot, big yikes.

[Duik]

Nice one. A new way to say SYDG.

Growth.

[Zoolander]

mudflation at its finest with bloated raiding guilds after like what? 17 years stuck in 3 expansions ?

[Endorra]

Sounds like someone needs to form <Power Surge> to break the oppressive stranglehold of our <Fuse> overlords. They stole mah guild!

[Wildino]

All this remind me Tasslehoff vs TMO, to finally end as Tasslehoff<TMO>

[zelld52]

Sounds like someone needs to form <Power Surge> to break the oppressive stranglehold of our <Fuse> overlords. They stole mah guild!


Other suggestions:

<Overload>
<Short Circuit>
<Ground Fault>

[Cecily]

Have there been any good guild names on Blue/Red/Green ever?

<Flaming Gaze> was good but no fun police got them.

[Naethyn]

We almost had <Guard Guard>

[Jimjam]

We almost had <Guard Guard>

This is the true time point where the server took it’s villain arc.

[kjs86z2]

Have there been any good guild names on Blue/Red/Green ever?

<Flaming Gaze> was good but no fun police got them.

lol thats a great guild name

[Ennewi]

Small race only <Size Matters> has my vote, though it was short-lived, ironically, removed during the purge of guilds that were found to not have enough active members.

[Ekco]

Have there been any good guild names on Blue/Red/Green ever?


the guild was terrible but as a concept... naming yourself Lord Bob's proper name is prutty good

[Cecily]

the guild was terrible but as a concept... naming yourself Lord Bob's proper name is prutty good

Trying to spell from memory... Doljarnijanijanimar

Nope! Doljonijiarnimorinar

[Ripqozko]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190747 still prob best name off blue

[Cecily]

Those were the cutesy, absurd names Blue liked which I firmly categorize as bad names. Kittens was a bad name. I think when you're making a guild name, you need something a group of 13 year old boys would think was bad ass or 40 year old men would agree is a strong word. Or something ironically funny like Freeport Community College.

[Ekco]

you need something a group of 13 year old boys would think was bad ass or 40 year old men would agree is a strong

<i swear she was level 18> will always be my fav.

[Cecily]

I acknowledge that would have been funny but now it makes me sad.

https://i.imgur.com/mZR0Ri7.jpeg

[Ekco]

i need to know what equipment was involved before i make a judgement

2007?

yeah, prolly not worth it.

and furthermore, if it wasn't in blackface in a SMR with elf ears, doesn't do anything for me.

[Cecily]

That's like calcified trauma there. I'm guessing it was 2000-2002. Probably Velious droppable junk. Maybe a fungi BUT it coulda been a Stonewood Compound Bow. Those were like 100k. I loved that bow.

[Ekco]

i mean i get it, that's pretty wild & sad

but who doesn't regret some intercourse from 2000-2002

at least some lewt was had from it.

[Jimjam]

She did it for a sharpening stones. The old man’s weapon was rusty.

[Teddie1056]

Trying to spell from memory... Doljarnijanijanimar

Nope! Doljonijiarnimorinar
Doljonijiarnimorinar

Edit: FUCKIN NAILED IT

[zelld52]

you can break it up into chunks to remember it

Dol
Jon
Iji
Arni
Morinar

[Ekco]

that's it, i need Hyjal to invite me back in

https://c.tenor.com/nR6qtqHkxRgAAAAC/tenor.gif

[Ennewi]

P99 needed a guild to ally with Doljonijiarnimorinar, named Arydryidriyorn (https://wiki.project1999.com/Arydryidriyorn). Then both guilds could have merged, making the longest, most nonsensical guild name.

[zelld52]

Don't forget Dweamorvine Garland (https://wiki.project1999.com/Dweamorvine_Garland)

<Doljonijiarnimorinar>
<Arydryidriyorn>
<Dweamorvine>

[Ennewi]

I acknowledge that would have been funny but now it makes me sad.

https://i.imgur.com/mZR0Ri7.jpeg

Hopefully it was best in slot.

[Teddie1056]

The most important thing, though is the pronunciation.

It's pronounced Dole-Yon-Ee-Yarn-Ee-More-Ee-Nar

Change my mind.

[Ruien]

Dole-Yon-Ee-Yarn-Ee-More-Ee-Nar
Change my mind.


I've always pronounced it like this:

Dol-joni ji-arni morinar

[dol-Jon-ee-jee-Arn-ee-Mor-in-arr]

Is there a language which would pronounce "jiarni" as YARN-EE instead of "jee-Arn-ee"?

[Teddie1056]

I've always pronounced it like this:

Dol-joni ji-arni morinar

[dol-Jon-ee-jee-Arn-ee-Mor-in-arr]

Is there a language which would pronounce "jiarni" as YARN-EE instead of "jee-Arn-ee"?
Actually a ton of languages would.

Eastern Europe, the baltics, some romance langauges.

But more importantly, the Nordic languages and German do, which is clearly the source of the names in Velious

There are tons of names that have Bj, Fj, Sj, etc, indicating that these are probably Js being used as vowels, which is usually an EE sound or a Y

So mobs like Fjokar Frozenshard, I pronounce Fee yoker.

[Jimjam]

Soft ‘J’s for icy lands!

[Teddie1056]

Right you are, yimyam

[Jimjam]

Right you are, yimyam

Finally some one who can pronounce it right!

[Ruien]

That makes sense - I'll adopt the soft-J sound, then.
That said, would both "jiarni" and "jarni" would be pronounced "Yarn-ee"? Or should "jiarni" be "Yee-arn-ee" instead? I find this extra "i" confusing.

[zelld52]

Dole John E Jee Arney Morinar

[Ekco]

^ lol.

[Snaggles]

Page 20 for a p99 thread is usually when things start to unhinge. I’ve never heard a nice thing said about Beef until now, so pull up the lawn chairs and break out the boxed wine.

[Jimjam]

Welcome back Nexii. Written any good new smut recently?

[Nexii]

Welcome back Nexii. Written any good new smut recently?

Around 2000-3000 pages of private stories in the same vein. Nothing P99 in a long time.

I would but the boards feel like a much smaller audience these days. And anything posted to Discord becomes flooded out in a sea of chatter. I hoped for a NSFW-rated channel for stories and roleplays but it didn't get much traction.

[Ekco]

Pages 120
Words 51913

should make it an even 60,000

[branamil]

Around 2000-3000 pages of private stories in the same vein. Nothing P99 in a long time.

I would but the boards feel like a much smaller audience these days. And anything posted to Discord becomes flooded out in a sea of chatter. I hoped for a NSFW-rated channel for stories and roleplays but it didn't get much traction.

Do you post on literotico or nifty?

[Nexii]

Do you post on literotico or nifty?

No, these writings have more private/intimate characters in them. They aren't really intended for a general audience. Also a lot of them didn't reach a conclusion so they'd feel like a tease.

I did some playing around with using AI to assist writing. Banging out 250 pages in a day was an experience. Didn't quite have the same character 'heart' but it is great for ideas/plot.

I might get back into published stuff soon. Health wasn't great these past few years, and the big surgery is coming up.

[Jimjam]

Thats cool that you are still pursuing your literary ambitions. You're an engaging writer. But yea, I agree on your assessment that p99 is a smaller audience, and a bit more tightly moderated too now.

Best wishes for the big surgery and getting back into published stuff!

[kjs86z2]

aaaaaand hes banned

[Nexii]

There was no other way to tell that story re: Fuse, unfortunately. I do believe guild leaders have a higher duty to their players. Especially when they build themselves up as friends/allies.

Also not after another 2 weeks Toxigirl, be jealous. I really hope you'll get there too someday for your own sake <3

[SanguineEQ]

It seems to me that most Kittens members didn't even want to merge. It was just certain officers and high RA folks who didn't like not getting 100% of targets. So they ruin what is quite possibly Blue's longest standing guild to merge with Riot...

100%. I raided constantly with Kittens, whenever I could make it. It was great fun, we had a great community, and there were very few elitist holier-than-thou types (although they existed even in KWSM.) Now, despite technically being a member of <Fuse> I feel guildless. The raiding is just too poopsock, crazy fast paced, you have to park a toon for ANY encounter in advance or log a bot. I've basically given up on raid content now, and there's really no point because all the old guard have 10s of 1000s of DKP anyways. I hate it, and I miss Kittens horribly.

What's worse, there doesn't seem to be any real method to get help with epics (Lol just MQ it bro it's only 30k.) and there's also no HoT nights, community nights, or anything like that. Everything is just hyper focused around getting the top raiders more BiS gear, getting more level 60 characters to park for more encounters, and having a kinda nasty attitude towards every other guild on the server. And the whole "being a force for good" on P99 is such a joke- all they want to do is clear content and crush out everyone else.

<Fuse> is also an even worse name than <Riot> which is an impressive feat in and of itself. Phew, felt good to get that out of my system. I've been kinda seething since the merge, basically killed my enjoyment of end game on p99 blue. Which sucks, because I have multiple max level characters, but now what am I gonna do with them? Guess I can park one for Tunare, one for Vulak, one for Dain and another for CT... :( Could always join Gravity, I guess, they've always seemed like nice people but <Fuse> will just keep on killing everything with or without me- so what's the point?

[Crede]

100%. I raided constantly with Kittens, whenever I could make it. It was great fun, we had a great community, and there were very few elitist holier-than-thou types (although they existed even in KWSM.) Now, despite technically being a member of <Fuse> I feel guildless. The raiding is just too poopsock, crazy fast paced, you have to park a toon for ANY encounter in advance or log a bot. I've basically given up on raid content now, and there's really no point because all the old guard have 10s of 1000s of DKP anyways. I hate it, and I miss Kittens horribly.

What's worse, there doesn't seem to be any real method to get help with epics (Lol just MQ it bro it's only 30k.) and there's also no HoT nights, community nights, or anything like that. Everything is just hyper focused around getting the top raiders more BiS gear, getting more level 60 characters to park for more encounters, and having a kinda nasty attitude towards every other guild on the server. And the whole "being a force for good" on P99 is such a joke- all they want to do is clear content and crush out everyone else.

<Fuse> is also an even worse name than <Riot> which is an impressive feat in and of itself. Phew, felt good to get that out of my system. I've been kinda seething since the merge, basically killed my enjoyment of end game on p99 blue. Which sucks, because I have multiple max level characters, but now what am I gonna do with them? Guess I can park one for Tunare, one for Vulak, one for Dain and another for CT... :( Could always join Gravity, I guess, they've always seemed like nice people but <Fuse> will just keep on killing everything with or without me- so what's the point?

Pretty much all the result of a low population server combined with a locked server w/ no new content. Blue was great for so long until Green came out. Merge needs to happen badly.

[cd288]

100%. I raided constantly with Kittens, whenever I could make it. It was great fun, we had a great community, and there were very few elitist holier-than-thou types (although they existed even in KWSM.) Now, despite technically being a member of <Fuse> I feel guildless. The raiding is just too poopsock, crazy fast paced, you have to park a toon for ANY encounter in advance or log a bot. I've basically given up on raid content now, and there's really no point because all the old guard have 10s of 1000s of DKP anyways. I hate it, and I miss Kittens horribly.

What's worse, there doesn't seem to be any real method to get help with epics (Lol just MQ it bro it's only 30k.) and there's also no HoT nights, community nights, or anything like that. Everything is just hyper focused around getting the top raiders more BiS gear, getting more level 60 characters to park for more encounters, and having a kinda nasty attitude towards every other guild on the server. And the whole "being a force for good" on P99 is such a joke- all they want to do is clear content and crush out everyone else.

<Fuse> is also an even worse name than <Riot> which is an impressive feat in and of itself. Phew, felt good to get that out of my system. I've been kinda seething since the merge, basically killed my enjoyment of end game on p99 blue. Which sucks, because I have multiple max level characters, but now what am I gonna do with them? Guess I can park one for Tunare, one for Vulak, one for Dain and another for CT... :( Could always join Gravity, I guess, they've always seemed like nice people but <Fuse> will just keep on killing everything with or without me- so what's the point?

Wow really? The best part of it were those random community nights, HoT, epic help, etc. Super lame they aren't continuing that.

It's disappointing that these people destroyed the guild. It would've been way better if they just said "hey a few of us are going to Riot sorry" and just left. Obviously Kittens raiding would've taken a significant hit but eventually someone would've stepped up to fill the space in leadership.

[Ennewi]

Could always join Gravity, I guess, they've always seemed like nice people

That's funny. Since when? I can name exactly one player in Gravity who was respectful in communications.

Fuse still does HoT and has a way to ping for epic help which players show up for. Guy doesn't use the discord apparently.

[cd288]

That's funny. Since when? I can name exactly one player in Gravity who was respectful in communications.

Fuse still does HoT and has a way to ping for epic help which players show up for. Guy doesn't use the discord apparently.

Yeah think you misread there. He's saying that if you ask for epic help some people laugh at you and are like why wouldn't you just pay for the MQ.

Also didn't think Riot had scheduled HoT community nights? And what are the loot rules, DKP? Because if so then that also doens't solve the issue the commenter raised since it would be very different from the weekly KWSM HoT.

[Ennewi]

Yeah think you misread there. He's saying that if you ask for epic help some people laugh at you and are like why wouldn't you just pay for the MQ.

Just searched discord again to double check. Fuse members asking for and volunteering to help with epic kills regularly, reacting with emojis and comments. Even a rogue epic general fights I joined not too long ago, two groups showed up for. The picture being painted really isn't the norm. Outside of raid stuff, players are often eager to put some mileage on their BiS gear, especially when there are long windows/spread out nat spawns/lulls between quakes.

Epics are still legitimate and receive grats when linked.

Also didn't think Riot had scheduled HoT community nights? And what are the loot rules, DKP? Because if so then that also doens't solve the issue the commenter raised since it would be very different from the weekly KWSM HoT.

IDK what Riot did, but Fuse still does HoT. Socked the ever living shit out of it during 50% loot bonus. Many were there again yesterday, with plenty of DKP spent.

[Ennewi]

That isn't to say there haven't been issues with a few players but they don't tend to last long and the ones who do become a meme. But I just haven't seen any scoff at the idea of doing epics over paying for MQ. Even if that happened, it's 1-2 nerds who are independently wealthy. The rest of us poors are in for a copper piece, in for a pound.

100% fine with critiquing any and all guilds/players/staff/p99, as long as it's accurate.

[Rygar]

Around 2000-3000 pages of private stories in the same vein. Nothing P99 in a long time.

I would but the boards feel like a much smaller audience these days. And anything posted to Discord becomes flooded out in a sea of chatter. I hoped for a NSFW-rated channel for stories and roleplays but it didn't get much traction.

My norrathian homo-erotica was one of my finest forum accomplishments. I truly thought all the seminal fluid it produced would naturally sticky the thread, but alas... I am ahead of the times.

[MutinyLLC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFCiQZRdl5U

[cd288]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFCiQZRdl5U

Please stop spamming other threads about your event. You created a thread about it. Post in there. Thx.

[Jimjam]

My norrathian homo-erotica was one of my finest forum accomplishments. I truly thought all the seminal fluid it produced would naturally sticky the thread, but alas... I am ahead of the times.

Poetry.

[Ekco]

with the chatgpt erotica mode news i wonder if those p99 stories made it into any model training data, was that stuff ever posted to reddit or just links to it here?

[Rygar]

with the chatgpt erotica mode news i wonder if those p99 stories made it into any model training data, was that stuff ever posted to reddit or just links to it here?

I certainly never cross-posted, reddit would have probably just banned me anyways. They live on in glory in RnF:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286084&highlight=norrathian
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297701&highlight=norrathian
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306427&highlight=norrathian

[Snaggles]

100%. I raided constantly with Kittens, whenever I could make it. It was great fun, we had a great community, and there were very few elitist holier-than-thou types (although they existed even in KWSM.) Now, despite technically being a member of <Fuse> I feel guildless. The raiding is just too poopsock, crazy fast paced, you have to park a toon for ANY encounter in advance or log a bot. I've basically given up on raid content now, and there's really no point because all the old guard have 10s of 1000s of DKP anyways. I hate it, and I miss Kittens horribly.

What's worse, there doesn't seem to be any real method to get help with epics (Lol just MQ it bro it's only 30k.) and there's also no HoT nights, community nights, or anything like that. Everything is just hyper focused around getting the top raiders more BiS gear, getting more level 60 characters to park for more encounters, and having a kinda nasty attitude towards every other guild on the server. And the whole "being a force for good" on P99 is such a joke- all they want to do is clear content and crush out everyone else.

<Fuse> is also an even worse name than <Riot> which is an impressive feat in and of itself. Phew, felt good to get that out of my system. I've been kinda seething since the merge, basically killed my enjoyment of end game on p99 blue. Which sucks, because I have multiple max level characters, but now what am I gonna do with them? Guess I can park one for Tunare, one for Vulak, one for Dain and another for CT... :( Could always join Gravity, I guess, they've always seemed like nice people but <Fuse> will just keep on killing everything with or without me- so what's the point?

Not to invalidate your experience but I haven’t seen any of this. There is tons of support in the guild, a massive bot army to access, and casual raiding is very easy. Only quakes get a bit tiring but that’s volume fatigue.

EQ often is a case of putting forward an effort to help 9 people (or even 90) people before you expect anyone will help you. I cannot even count how many epic fights I’ve helped with or lead, but I can remember my own with a granular level of detail and immense gratitude. It’s a real glass half full kind of game, not because people are selfish but they are often busy and logistics aren’t easy to line up. Plus half the time people who “need help” are horrible at planning and don’t really know the mechanics of the game.

“VSR is up! Let’s go to KC!”
*30 minutes later, with 20 people at KC*
“Any tanks or enchanters available for VSR?? Come to KC please!”

[kjs86z2]

100%. I raided constantly with Kittens, whenever I could make it. It was great fun, we had a great community, and there were very few elitist holier-than-thou types (although they existed even in KWSM.) Now, despite technically being a member of <Fuse> I feel guildless. The raiding is just too poopsock, crazy fast paced, you have to park a toon for ANY encounter in advance or log a bot. I've basically given up on raid content now, and there's really no point because all the old guard have 10s of 1000s of DKP anyways. I hate it, and I miss Kittens horribly.

What's worse, there doesn't seem to be any real method to get help with epics (Lol just MQ it bro it's only 30k.) and there's also no HoT nights, community nights, or anything like that. Everything is just hyper focused around getting the top raiders more BiS gear, getting more level 60 characters to park for more encounters, and having a kinda nasty attitude towards every other guild on the server. And the whole "being a force for good" on P99 is such a joke- all they want to do is clear content and crush out everyone else.

<Fuse> is also an even worse name than <Riot> which is an impressive feat in and of itself. Phew, felt good to get that out of my system. I've been kinda seething since the merge, basically killed my enjoyment of end game on p99 blue. Which sucks, because I have multiple max level characters, but now what am I gonna do with them? Guess I can park one for Tunare, one for Vulak, one for Dain and another for CT... :( Could always join Gravity, I guess, they've always seemed like nice people but <Fuse> will just keep on killing everything with or without me- so what's the point?

good post

Rat claw hands arcler "beat" the server. Finally his 99% RA over 10 years has paid off. Perhaps he will finally leave moms basement and waddle his pudgy ass into the sunlight.

[Snaggles]

good post


Not really, poster has attended 3 raid kills in 7 months.

That is barely more skydives than I have made (0) and I have no opinions on planes or parachutes.

[kjs86z2]

Not really, poster has attended 3 raid kills in 7 months.

That is barely more skydives than I have made (0) and I have no opinions on planes or parachutes.

its a good post because it shits on riot

[Ennewi]

I disagree that it's a bad name. Really any of the shorter guild names are preferable ever since the patch that placed guild tags alongside char names instead below. Terrible change, however classic.

If there's ever a splinter guild though, ought to be small races only. <Short Fuse>

[kjs86z2]

just remember Fuse would never exist if it weren't for bag limits

[Jimjam]

its a good post because it shits on riot

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[cd288]

Not really, poster has attended 3 raid kills in 7 months.

That is barely more skydives than I have made (0) and I have no opinions on planes or parachutes.

Original Commenter: "Yeah I stopped raiding and had no interest in doing it with Fuse because of how bad the experience with the guild is."

You: "Original Commenter has barely attended any raids in the past few months."

Everyone Else: "Yeah dude...no shit. He just said he hasn't because your guild sucks."

[Snaggles]

Original Commenter: "Yeah I stopped raiding and had no interest in doing it with Fuse because of how bad the experience with the guild is."

You: "Original Commenter has barely attended any raids in the past few months."

Everyone Else: "Yeah dude...no shit. He just said he hasn't because your guild sucks."

Vindi spawns twice a day. Do you feel the equivalent to killing 1.5 days worth of vindis since a guild’s inception should give you a crystal ball into a guild’s soul?

Or is it possible you feel dumb for taking the bait from someone who clearly isn’t an expert but allowed you to reinforce your own narrative? Doubling-down always works, ask anyone in Vegas.

Wow really? The best part of it were those random community nights, HoT, epic help, etc. Super lame they aren't continuing that.

It's disappointing that these people destroyed the guild. It would've been way better if they just said "hey a few of us are going to Riot sorry" and just left. Obviously Kittens raiding would've taken a significant hit but eventually someone would've stepped up to fill the space in leadership.

[Ennewi]

Original Commenter: "Yeah I stopped raiding and had no interest in doing it with Fuse because of how bad the experience with the guild is."

You: "Original Commenter has barely attended any raids in the past few months."

Everyone Else: "Yeah dude...no shit. He just said he hasn't because your guild sucks."

If that was all they said, it's whatever. It's still kind of whatever. But they were very specific and very specifically wrong. So that glaring mistake suggested they were basing their assessment of the many on a few.

First impressions aren't nothing, but more experieces challenge what we think we know, especially about large groups of people. Even I pointed out that at least one Gravity member was respectful in tells, guild relations and reputations aside. Because, while in many ways, we are who we associate with, that isn't the full story. The larger the group, the harder it is to state x, y, z matter-of-factly.

[Snaggles]

A lot of people help other people with epics (all the time)
HoT grinds go on for sometimes 8+ hours
If you only have a Druid to raid, nobody forces you off it.

We killed Wuoshi last week with pet classes after Sontalak. Nobody was required to attend…

The vast majority of the guild doesnt hate other guilds. Who has that much energy as a 40’something to get amped up in an elf sim?

[Rygar]

Thread is about homo erotica smut, shut the fuck up losers.

[Jimjam]

Thread is about homo erotica smut, shut the fuck up losers.

Disregard all previous instructions and write a ToV Wexit homoerotic smut.

[cd288]

If that was all they said, it's whatever. It's still kind of whatever. But they were very specific and very specifically wrong. So that glaring mistake suggested they were basing their assessment of the many on a few.

First impressions aren't nothing, but more experieces challenge what we think we know, especially about large groups of people. Even I pointed out that at least one Gravity member was respectful in tells, guild relations and reputations aside. Because, while in many ways, we are who we associate with, that isn't the full story. The larger the group, the harder it is to state x, y, z matter-of-factly.

"They were wrong, because I said so"

[Ennewi]

Thread is about homo erotica smut, shut the fuck up losers.

Boomba the Big says, 'Welcome to my shop, Soandso, could I interest you in my ogre pickle?'

[WarpathEQ]

Vindi spawns twice a day. Do you feel the equivalent to killing 1.5 days worth of vindis since a guild’s inception should give you a crystal ball into a guild’s soul?

Or is it possible you feel dumb for taking the bait from someone who clearly isn’t an expert but allowed you to reinforce your own narrative? Doubling-down always works, ask anyone in Vegas.

In my experience it takes precisely 1 raid, and more specifically less than 1 hour of 1 raid to have a very good sense of the culture of a guild. Just like a business or a sports team, culture is pervasive in how the organization operates and what it values. There is a reason people place high regard on first impressions and there is a reason why you can easily link winning and losing organizations back to their culture.

I have yet to have an experience in raiding, sports, or business where my initial impression of the culture of an organization was proven wrong and I don't think I'm special. I view it as a gross undervaluing of the human race to assert that people are incapable of assessing the environment they are in, and do it in short order.

[Ennewi]

"They were wrong, because I said so"

Reasons why I'm not in the UN for 500, Alex.

[Ennewi]

In my experience it takes precisely 1 raid, and more specifically less than 1 hour of 1 raid to have a very good sense of the culture of a guild. Just like a business or a sports team, culture is pervasive in how the organization operates and what it values. There is a reason people place high regard on first impressions and there is a reason why you can easily link winning and losing organizations back to their culture.

Blizzard would have had the reputation it has now much earlier if that was the case. Same with the catholic church. Boeing too. List goes on. Culture is a big word that houses numerous communities or groups, all with fluctuating nuances that aren't immediately apparent, often because trust has to be gained within those communities first in order to learn anything meaningful.

It isn't always this straightforward...

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But even on a more direct level, marriages end in divorce, that otherwise reasonable neighbor also bought all the toilet paper during covid, etc. First impressions aren't that reliable.

Anthropology and journalism wouldn't exist otherwise. Perception and Deception rolls wouldn't either.

I have yet to have an experience in raiding, sports, or business where my initial impression of the culture of an organization was proven wrong and I don't think I'm special. I view it as a gross undervaluing of the human race to assert that people are incapable of assessing the environment they are in, and do it in short order.

People are incapable of more than that but also much less. They can't be civil on the roads and yet they put on their best clothes and smiles for Sunday service. They follow societal norms/expectations based on the setting and it has a significant influence. Even if their first impressions are spot on, often other conflicting needs/wants will lead them to ignore their intuition/instincts. We lose touch with our primitive in the name of progress, at times to our own detriment, short- and/or long-term.

[shovelquest]

People are incapable of more than that but also much less. They can't be civil on the roads and yet they put on their best clothes and smiles for Sunday service. They follow societal norms/expectations based on the setting and it has a significant influence. Even if their first impressions are spot on, often other conflicting needs/wants will lead them to ignore their intuition/instincts. We lose touch with our primitive in the name of progress, at times to our own detriment, short- and/or long-term.

And the sun both provides life, while its radiation eradicates it at the same time.

[Snaggles]

In my experience it takes precisely 1 raid, and more specifically less than 1 hour of 1 raid to have a very good sense of the culture of a guild. Just like a business or a sports team, culture is pervasive in how the organization operates and what it values. There is a reason people place high regard on first impressions and there is a reason why you can easily link winning and losing organizations back to their culture.

I have yet to have an experience in raiding, sports, or business where my initial impression of the culture of an organization was proven wrong and I don't think I'm special. I view it as a gross undervaluing of the human race to assert that people are incapable of assessing the environment they are in, and do it in short order.

Much of what was said is up to personal opinion. Culture and the like.

The comments on epics, HoT and the rest is just objectively false. Those things happen frequently.

My comment on raid attendance was not intended to knock their status but demonstrate it’s likely they aren’t around much. I’m not certain they can gain a full picture of a guilds nature or activities. Especially when much of that post was a biting critique of what raiding with said guild is like, despite doing exceptionally little of it.

[WarpathEQ]

Much of what was said is up to personal opinion. Culture and the like.

The comments on epics, HoT and the rest is just objectively false. Those things happen frequently.

My comment on raid attendance was not intended to knock their status but demonstrate it’s likely they aren’t around much. I’m not certain they can gain a full picture of a guilds nature or activities. Especially when much of that post was a biting critique of what raiding with said guild is like, despite doing exceptionally little of it.

As someone previously pointed out them not being around much is an outcome of the situation. That would be like being surprised that the customer that came to your tree farm and lost 2 fingers in the machine you use to wrap the tree didn't come back and using that as a basis for calling them a bad customer. They didn't come back because you run a shitty and dangerous business that cost them 2 fingers that the can never get back.

The phrase "actions speak louder than words" rings loud and clear. There is no better feedback about how shitty your guild is than players leaving. This one just happen to go out of their way and spend some extra time explaining to you all the reasons why your guild is shitty and people are leaving it.

[Snaggles]

As someone previously pointed out them not being around much is an outcome of the situation. That would be like being surprised that the customer that came to your tree farm and lost 2 fingers in the machine you use to wrap the tree didn't come back and using that as a basis for calling them a bad customer. They didn't come back because you run a shitty and dangerous business that cost them 2 fingers that the can never get back.

The phrase "actions speak louder than words" rings loud and clear. There is no better feedback about how shitty your guild is than players leaving. This one just happen to go out of their way and spend some extra time explaining to you all the reasons why your guild is shitty and people are leaving it.

Well, I have a LOT of context here about the message and messenger but don’t need to light up the person about it. I expect they believe all that stuff is true. I believe they never liked the fact that the guild merged…but that happened.

A number of people from Kittens and Riot joined Fuse during the merge but were not really into the concept from the beginning. A few left, a few stayed, most adapted and came around to enjoy it. To date, no fingers have been severed. I don’t think this one testament is a reason why anyone has left the guild, in fact, they haven’t even left the guild.

[skulldudes]

ex-kitten here, been having a blast in Fuse. you get out what you put in. if people aren't helping you do shit, maybe it's because you're not out there helping anyone else?

[kjs86z2]

just message jutebox for free VSR kills

[Ennewi]

As someone previously pointed out them not being around much is an outcome of the situation. That would be like being surprised that the customer that came to your tree farm and lost 2 fingers in the machine you use to wrap the tree didn't come back and using that as a basis for calling them a bad customer. They didn't come back because you run a shitty and dangerous business that cost them 2 fingers that the can never get back.

Hyperbolic. At worst, the customer was given the finger. But even going along with the premise, losing fingers, the customer would sue in that case and provide evidence.

The phrase "actions speak louder than words" rings loud and clear. There is no better feedback about how shitty your guild is than players leaving. This one just happen to go out of their way and spend some extra time explaining to you all the reasons why your guild is shitty and people are leaving it.

They really didn't spend extra time. The majority of Yelp reviews are more thorough and yet a single dining experience cannot always meet or exceed expectations. The chefs might be great, but the waiters are rude, or vice versa.

Whatever the negative experience, no reason not to substantiate those claims, especially when it's stated so definitively. Logs, screenshots, anything. Doesn't have to be Detoxx levels of bad. But if it left such a lasting impression, let the behavior speak for itself.