Which weapon for which hand?

[Lyta]

My ranger is about to get duel wield, i have a fine steel scimitar and a fine steel longsword, which should go in which hand?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Fine_Steel_Scimitar
https://wiki.project1999.com/Fine_Steel_Long_Sword

[Jimjam]

Congrats!

I’d put the scimitar in secondary - more attempts to swing means more chances to skill up dw.

[Snaggles]

Generally best ratio in main hand since it swings more often and later (level 28+) has a damage bonus while the offhand doesn’t. In certain situations the damage bonus and speed will make up for lesser ratio weapons. It’s why the Wurmslayer holds up ok for a while but gasses out in the 50’s.

Here is the damage bonus chart:
https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html?setcookie=1

In short, go 6/28 MH and 5/24 OH. They are a negligible difference in ratio (2.5% difference) so it likely won’t make a materially difference.

[Lyta]

But if the schimitar is faster shouldent it be in primary for faster skill up?

[Crede]

focus on 2h if you can on a Ranger. It’s much better. If you’re on blue I can set you up with a silver swiftblade.

[Jimjam]

But if the schimitar is faster shouldent it be in primary for faster skill up?

You should already be close to cap for the skills your primary can work on. Dual wield only skills up off secondary attack attempts. As you seem keen to dual wield with these specific weapons, I assume you want to make that as effective as possible as soon as possible. Further to this, the long sword has a better ratio, so I assume will be better for dps than the scimitar for a few levels further (eventually a thing called damage bonus comes in to play, but for now this is an irrelevant factor).

May I ask, is there any reason you are planning to use these two weapons?

[Snaggles]

Always use the best weapon in the primary. Best is just defined a bit different when speed favors damage bonus application over raw ratio. There still math to estimate that.

MH = 2x damage + damage bonus / delay. (Whichever had the higher number is best).

Realistically if you can land a Silver Swiftblade just do that. These days a ranger could easily justify skipping the epics and using 2h the entire time.

[kjs86z2]

beg and plead for a woodsman's staff and you're set til epics

[Duik]

Is natures wrath 29/44 horrible? @50pp 46 for proc..

31/35 is pretty sweet though. @3kpp

Ok woodsman it is.

[Snaggles]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Springwood_Stave

Is a bit better than the Natures Wrath. I’d prob hold out with a Silver Swiftblade and get an Argent Protector or Velium 2hs. Keeping 2hs leveled up for the Swarmcaller and 2hb is a bit annoying.

[Goregasmic]

1 handers get no damage bonus so it is pure ratio before lvl28:
Formula: (Weapon damage / weapon delay)

Offhands never get weapon damage bonus so they go by pure ratio too.

1handers with get damage bonus at 28 and it scales every 3 levels or so until 60. It caps at +11.
Formula: (weapon dmg x2 + dmg bonus)/delay.

2handers work like main hand but the slower they are the higher the damage bonus. Look at the chart snaggles posted for the numbers.

That being said:

For main hand 1handers, low delay weaps will often beat higher delay weapons with better ratios due to weapon damage bonus being applied more often. It isn't a linear thing though so you have to run the formula for every weapon at every damage bonus steps basically (if you care that much).

2handers are generally better due to higher weapon damage bonus AND the fact that it will cost you 3000pp for a solid 2hander while getting equivalent 1handers will run you a 40 000pp+ bill. Also, two handers relationship with ratio and damage bonus is linear so you can just pick best ratio.

Springwood stave is the woodsman budget option but I've looked for a 2hb practice option on my ranger and never seen it for sale, ended up getting a stormwood battle staff in sebilis for now.

List of cheap 2h options (below 1k)

250pp stormwood battle staff 26/40 --- 0,65
85pp nature's wrath 29/44 --- 0,659
100pp silver swiftblade 16/24 --- 0,667
50pp argent defender 33/49 --- 0,673
500pp swarmcaller 29/41 --- 0,707
250pp springwood stave 31/42 --- 0,738

I'm farming chardok nowadays so if I see a silver swiftblade or an argent defender I can snag it for you, free of charge if you're interested.

Swarm caller is more expensive but it is the better pick since you'll keep it until epics for the slow proc.

[Zuranthium]

I find it best to hold the base with the left hand and the shaft with the right hand.

[Shadowmorphisis]

1 handers get no damage bonus so it is pure ratio before lvl28:
Formula: (Weapon damage / weapon delay)

Offhands never get weapon damage bonus so they go by pure ratio too.

1handers with get damage bonus at 28 and it scales every 3 levels or so until 60. It caps at +11.
Formula: (weapon dmg x2 + dmg bonus)/delay.

2handers work like main hand but the slower they are the higher the damage bonus. Look at the chart snaggles posted for the numbers.

That being said:

For main hand 1handers, low delay weaps will often beat higher delay weapons with better ratios due to weapon damage bonus being applied more often. It isn't a linear thing though so you have to run the formula for every weapon at every damage bonus steps basically (if you care that much).

2handers are generally better due to higher weapon damage bonus AND the fact that it will cost you 3000pp for a solid 2hander while getting equivalent 1handers will run you a 40 000pp+ bill. Also, two handers relationship with ratio and damage bonus is linear so you can just pick best ratio.

Springwood stave is the woodsman budget option but I've looked for a 2hb practice option on my ranger and never seen it for sale, ended up getting a stormwood battle staff in sebilis for now.

List of cheap 2h options (below 1k)

250pp stormwood battle staff 26/40 --- 0,65
85pp nature's wrath 29/44 --- 0,659
100pp silver swiftblade 16/24 --- 0,667
50pp argent defender 33/49 --- 0,673
500pp swarmcaller 29/41 --- 0,707
250pp springwood stave 31/42 --- 0,738

I'm farming chardok nowadays so if I see a silver swiftblade or an argent defender I can snag it for you, free of charge if you're interested.

Swarm caller is more expensive but it is the better pick since you'll keep it until epics for the slow proc.

If they're not interested and the offer stands, my wife is finally getting into it and picked a ranger, currently 22 and could make good use of it!

Also, do these statements all go for warrior as well? Just rolled my first one and definitely a learning curve from only ever playing casters back on live

[Goregasmic]

If they're not interested and the offer stands, my wife is finally getting into it and picked a ranger, currently 22 and could make good use of it!

Also, do these statements all go for warrior as well? Just rolled my first one and definitely a learning curve from only ever playing casters back on live

Theory is the same for all melee and hybrids. Healers/casters don't get dual weild and no weapon dmg bonus IIRC.

Yeah I can get you those weaps too but they're not common, not rare either, kinda depends on if people clear trash and luck cruising inside. I've seen a couple of either this week alone but I went earlier today and there was none so give me a couple days. Your war needs a sarnak battlehammer?

[Shadowmorphisis]

No rush at all, we're pretty casual so won't be outgrowing them any time soon hah

And yeah definitely wouldn't say no to that. Haven't leveled up 2HB at all and absolutely would with that behemoth of a hammer!

[Snaggles]

Yea outside aggro generation consideration dps comparison for weapons is the same.

Formula wise it’s a bit more difficult to compare 2h to DW especially on a raid level when the mobs you are fighting are level 60+.

I’ve collected a lot of weapons with my ranger, as have many others. It’s fun to mix it up but for sake of simplicity, with the final evolution of the 2h patches if you were required to use one weapon skill to 60 and beyond 2hs or 2hb would be my pick. The ToV Gozz Shovel of the Harvest or Cekenar Meljeldin Bane or Giants are top tier.

For a warrior while a Reaver and raid 2h won’t generate the most aggro they will put out some of the best dps. Nice thing with the ranger they can jolt off the aggro or even root the mob so you can step in and tank without aggro issues. Between a ranger and warrior using 2h, it’s also the easiest swap to a slow weapon. A Swarmcaller for the ranger and Truncheon of Doom for the warrior. Granted the Truncheon is about 6x the cost but both slow a max of 50%.

[Goregasmic]

No rush at all, we're pretty casual so won't be outgrowing them any time soon hah

And yeah definitely wouldn't say no to that. Haven't leveled up 2HB at all and absolutely would with that behemoth of a hammer!

Got you a sarnak warhammer and a silver swifblade. PM me your info so I can get them to you.

[Dundrige]

If you were a real ranger you would use bow and arrow only.