Alchemy Mats - Grobb??

[baue1446]

So the patch said

Nilbog: Corrected alchemy vendor lists of Grobb and Oggok.


I am looking for clubmoss and jatamasi. Wiki says Grabah has them. But he doesnt. And the other vendors that are around him are all gone? whats going on? What/where are the other vendors? Is that stuff sold in grobb any more?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

So the patch said

Nilbog: Corrected alchemy vendor lists of Grobb and Oggok.


I am looking for clubmoss and jatamasi. Wiki says Grabah has them. But he doesnt. And the other vendors that are around him are all gone? whats going on? What/where are the other vendors? Is that stuff sold in grobb any more?

I would try Oggok if you can. That's where I usually Alchemy, and they had everything. This is probably not the case now though.

Worst case you'll probably need to go to Thurgadin if you aren't KoS to them. They sell everything.

[jolanar]

Troll and Ogre shamans don't like eachother, so be careful of the guildmasters they will be Threatening.

[Snaggles]

Yea, Thurgadin is the best spot in my opinion.

[Wakanda]

I would try Oggok if you can. That's where I usually Alchemy, and they had everything. This is probably not the case now though.

Worst case you'll probably need to go to Thurgadin if you aren't KoS to them. They sell everything.

I think it’s based off of religion, but haven’t tested this. My first troll shaman was a CT follower because I didn’t know about the snare necklace. I used to frequently go to oggok to buy bat wings while leveling at the pyramid in CT. No problem.

Second Shaman was an Inny follower and got absolutely rekt when he walked in to try and buy bat wings. I even died a second time trying to get my corpse ☠️ I never got attacked or killed on my CT troll shaman, so I’ve always assumed it was deity based etc.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think it’s based off of religion, but haven’t tested this. My first troll shaman was a CT follower because I didn’t know about the snare necklace. I used to frequently go to oggok to buy bat wings while leveling at the pyramid in CT. No problem.

Second Shaman was an Inny follower and got absolutely rekt when he walked in to try and buy bat wings. I even died a second time trying to get my corpse ☠️ I never got attacked or killed on my CT troll shaman, so I’ve always assumed it was deity based etc.

The Ogre/Troll factions do have factions that hate each other if memory serves, so you do have to be careful with that as a troll going to oggok or an ogre going to grobb. I don't remember off hand what all of them were.

[Nilstoniakrath]

So basically for an ogre or troll shaman, the choice is go for Kael faction, or alchemy? Because you can't do both, unless you accept perpetually having to rely on ground transfers to get the mats...

And pre-Velious, only barbarian and iksar shaman can realistically do alchemy at all

[DeathsSilkyMist]

So basically for an ogre or troll shaman, the choice is go for Kael faction, or alchemy? Because you can't do both, unless you accept perpetually having to rely on ground transfers to get the mats...

And pre-Velious, only barbarian and iksar shaman can realistically do alchemy at all

Yeah it kind of sucks. My Ogre Shaman is on Kael faction right now. I don't do much alchemy anymore, so it doesn't bother me. But it will be a pain if I start again.

You could still buy the ingredients on one char who has thurg faction and drop-swap the ingredients to your Shaman. It's more complicated, but doable.

[loramin]

So basically for an ogre or troll shaman, the choice is go for Kael faction, or alchemy? Because you can't do both, unless you accept perpetually having to rely on ground transfers to get the mats...

And pre-Velious, only barbarian and iksar shaman can realistically do alchemy at all

You can see for yourself; here's an archive of EQ Traders from June of 2000: https://web.archive.org/web/20000605140111fw_/http://www.eqtraders.com/location/alchemy.html.

Verant feared and hated tradeskills, especially initially, so they made them difficult (and largely pointless). For instance, want to blacksmith as a Barbarian in classic? Get ready to run to Qeynos every time, because the molds are in Halas, but the ore is there. I think they saw the Grobb/Oggok split as being similar.

If it's any consolation, according to this bug thread, https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425636, Barbarians shouldn't get all the alchemy components either, until September 2000 (ie. almost the end of the server).

[Goregasmic]

Even if you tradeskill in freeport it isn't uncommon to have to run to 2 zones and often 3 just to get all the mats.

How difficult was it to have a tradeskill quarter/market or have more than one merchant carrying molds/sketches/ores/clay/whatever. It is so infuriating for no valid reason that I felt is was just downright disrespectful of players. I suffered through shawl 7 and next time I'm just farming the 60k for a choker of the wretched, that's like 1/10th of the time required.

[loramin]

You have to remember, DikuMUD (which EQ was largely based off) didn't even have tradeskills, so the very idea of having them in EQ was seen as new and controversial by the Verant devs. They were afraid that players crafting stuff would trivialize players killing stuff, and so they made tradeskills mostly useless.

Over time, as the player base complained, they started to embrace tradeskills more and more with each expansion. It eventually go to the point where, when they made their first non-EQ game (Star Wars Galaxies), maybe half the game was tradeskills!

But, back in classic, they really weren't a key part of the game; they were a tentatively added (almost) afterthought.

[Goregasmic]

IIRC one of the dev said other games had them and they felt obliged to have them too so they added them begrudgingly last minute. Not sure if it is all BS due to lack of planning or just out of spite.

[Treefall]

So is the consensus that a Troll shaman (Inny) has to make an ogre alt or use another char to buy all alchemy mats wherever they are? Probably not the end of the world, but could for sure be tedious when you are trying to make a stack of 10 buying the right amount and having a random fail

I could take the time to process the changes but is that the current consensus...or a better spot to buy the mats for leveling? I remember before I had a Shaman everyone complaining about the gypsys losing alchemy mats, assuming that was nerfed before green. :)

[Tann]

further proof that Iksar is the superior race for Shamans, given that everything you ever would need is in Cabilis.

*Disclaimer: I've never done alch nor did I even bother fact checking myself, shooting the Iksar love from the hip*

[loramin]

further proof that Iksar is the superior race for Shamans, given that everything you ever would need is in Cabilis.

*Disclaimer: I've never done alch nor did I even bother fact checking myself, shooting the Iksar love from the hip*

Objectively speaking, when it comes to Monks or Necromancers, Iksar are the master race. They also make great Shadow Knights or Warriors ... but when it comes to Shaman, they clearly the absolute worst race.

Essentially, an Iksar Shaman is just a Troll Shaman who can never use a JBB (or wear any other plate item), can't get the snare necklace, and has lower stats (combined stamina/wisdom of Troll is 184, Iksar is 164). In exchange, they get forage, 100 swim, and a few points of AC.

[WarpathEQ]

So is the consensus that a Troll shaman (Inny) has to make an ogre alt or use another char to buy all alchemy mats wherever they are? Probably not the end of the world, but could for sure be tedious when you are trying to make a stack of 10 buying the right amount and having a random fail

I could take the time to process the changes but is that the current consensus...or a better spot to buy the mats for leveling? I remember before I had a Shaman everyone complaining about the gypsys losing alchemy mats, assuming that was nerfed before green. :)

Funnily enough I did most of my alchemy skill ups on my Ogre Shaman in Halas. Doesn't really matter what your starting race is, you can faction for any city you want to travel to.

[Tann]

Objectively speaking, when it comes to Monks or Necromancers, Iksar are the master race. They also make great Shadow Knights or Warriors ... but when it comes to Shaman, they clearly the absolute worst race.

Essentially, an Iksar Shaman is just a Troll Shaman who can never use a JBB (or wear any other plate item), can't get the snare necklace, and has lower stats (combined stamina/wisdom of Troll is 184, Iksar is 164). In exchange, they get forage, 100 swim, and a few points of AC.

but but but, every vendor bought shaman spell is available in Cabilis, no running to oasis or middle of a swamp or whatever. hours of travel time saved!

[druidbob]

So is the consensus that a Troll shaman (Inny) has to make an ogre alt or use another char to buy all alchemy mats wherever they are? Probably not the end of the world, but could for sure be tedious when you are trying to make a stack of 10 buying the right amount and having a random fail

I could take the time to process the changes but is that the current consensus...or a better spot to buy the mats for leveling? I remember before I had a Shaman everyone complaining about the gypsys losing alchemy mats, assuming that was nerfed before green. :)

It's been a minute, but isn't there an alchemy vendor in neriak that will sell to trolls?