Scenic outdoor zone for a 17 and 20 duo

[Crass]

After my partner and I, as a 20 human monk and 17 wood elf druid, fell for every trap in Befallen and spent about 2 hours repeatedly dying, we're looking for somewhere to hunt that is relatively open and easy to navigate.

Looking for quality over quantity: would rather have a nice scenic, open area than a high risk / high reward dungeon. Not worried much about loot, but good EXP is appreciated.

Any recommendations?

[Ozudin20]

Crag Spiders in East Karana. Aviaks in Lake Rathe

[kjs86z2]

befallen is rough like that

unrest is considered outdoors, has a nice open courtyard, easy train out to ZL, etc

and you can find other ppl to team up with

[strongNpretty]

Hmm maybe Stonebrunt mountains? Just trying to think of off the beaten path zones that check the boxes you're lookin for.. Large zone, scenic, outdoor... I think kobalds over there are within your level ranges!

[Lampolo]

Maybe orc highway in oasis?

[Goregasmic]

You could easily kill aviak egrets/darters and some rooks in south karana and move up the food chain until you're 29 or so and then do tesch mas gnolls up to 35. There's a vendor in zone and worst case scenario NK isn't too far. Gnolls are ok money and they have a good exp quest.

Unrest is also a fun outdoors dungeon. If you don't like it at 25ish you can move to mistmoore, which is another outdoors dungeon but they both are a lot more forgiving than befallen.

[in3b]

befallen is rough like that

unrest is considered outdoors, has a nice open courtyard, easy train out to ZL, etc

and you can find other ppl to team up with

Maybe orc highway in oasis?

Agreed. Oasis or Unrest

[Crass]

Thanks for the recs everybody. I set out on the 17 towards Karana to follow some of the recommendations, and on the way had a long look around.

I didn't end up fighting much, but it turned into the most satisfying P99 session in a very long time.

In years past I'd leveled up a 40 shaman and a handful of other 20ish chars, guided by the ZEM list and advice for grinding. I had never really spent the time to visit all those classic zones outside the major camps and dungeons. Prowling through Kithicor and Highpass felt like real exploring and brought back some of the magic.

Thanks everyone.

[WarpathEQ]

+1 for south karana. Massive wide open zone with tons of mobs, low population/competition and a wide variety of level ranges so you have options as you progress.

[Tewaz]

Go to East Karana and go to the very south east corner by the waterfall.

One of my favorite spots in the game.

[Lampolo]

Karana is bad recommendation. Its dangerous for lvl 17 and 20 and would be a huge cr. These forums are full of bad advice

Just bind in FP. Stay near unless your heading to a dungeon. I sometimes wonder if this board is trolling noobs

[shovelquest]

That's a pretty extreme take. SK is like a great zone for that level!

Yeah sure you have to run through lake rathe to get there if you die as a melee, but.. that's like an extra 15 mins from freeport.

I was gonna suggest Cazic Thule for OP - it's open as in it's got no roof.. but it's by no means: "easy to navigate."

I felt SK was a great suggestion.

At level 20 what are you thinking they would kill for exp near FP? Oasis mobs? That's really not great for 20+ IMO

I think the karanas is a great suggestion, it's both very classic and senic, but open and there is plenty to do from 20-30 there.

Go to East Karana and go to the very south east corner by the waterfall.

One of my favorite spots in the game.

EK is great, gore hounds for days!

Also break when you see a rabid wolf and kill it, those pelts are great exp till well into the 20s (https://wiki.project1999.com/Rabid_Wolves)

Aviak village for 20+ too, rooks are up in the higher 20s iirc mixed with blues and whites and yellows for mid low 20s?

[WarpathEQ]

Karana is bad recommendation. Its dangerous for lvl 17 and 20 and would be a huge cr. These forums are full of bad advice

Just bind in FP. Stay near unless your heading to a dungeon. I sometimes wonder if this board is trolling noobs

I mean I was just there on my lowbie in the northern part of SK. Most of the mobs weren't kos and I didn't have a single pather agro me during my entire stay. I found it much less dangerous than almost any place I've traveled in norrath, which is virtually all of them

[Snaggles]

All the karanas are great. Stonebrunt too.

I would definitely do outdoor zones. Harmony is a cheat code for quick pulling. Once you master that and venture indoors your partner can figure out FD pulling. Sounds like a great duo :)

[kjs86z2]

charm crocs in oasis?

get some practice in before you guys do gators in CT (basically required for your duo, its that good)

https://wiki.project1999.com/Cazic_Thule_Alligator_Pit#Level_32

if you not doing CT mid 20s to upper 30s you're doing it wrong

[Goregasmic]

Karana is bad recommendation. Its dangerous for lvl 17 and 20 and would be a huge cr. These forums are full of bad advice

Just bind in FP. Stay near unless your heading to a dungeon. I sometimes wonder if this board is trolling noobs

Only roamers that will give you a hard time is the werewolf and very rarely cracktusk. You can bind at the NK gypsies. Not the safest bind but worst case scenario you can strafe run to guard tower or SK bridge guards. Bound my ranger there and never had an issue.



Aviak village for 20+ too, rooks are up in the higher 20s iirc mixed with blues and whites and yellows for mid low 20s?

Rooks are 20-22, harriers 24-26 and avocets 29-31 iirc. They'll be fine on egrets/darters.

charm crocs in oasis?

This spot is usually super crowded to this day.

[Crass]

Just to update everyone, I decided to take my 19 Cleric to East Karana to solo undead gnolls, going against basically all the advice I hear anywhere but here.
I've been having such a nice time that I don't think I'd like to ever go back to crocs or unrest again.

Compared to the lovely atmosphere of the outdoor western zones, cramping into a dungeon or standing ankle-deep on the shore in oasis sounds like a joke on the players. Yet it's all anyone does!

Looking forward to the other Karanas, Rathe, maybe even Everfrost next. Never been to Rathe, ever!

P.S. The exp is excellent. I'm halfway convinced the real ZEM is based on zone popularity and drop value.

- Spatz, 21 Hafling Tourist

[PatChapp]

Just to update everyone, I decided to take my 19 Cleric to East Karana to solo undead gnolls, going against basically all the advice I hear anywhere but here.
I've been having such a nice time that I don't think I'd like to ever go back to crocs or unrest again.

Compared to the lovely atmosphere of the outdoor western zones, cramping into a dungeon or standing ankle-deep on the shore in oasis sounds like a joke on the players. Yet it's all anyone does!

Looking forward to the other Karanas, Rathe, maybe even Everfrost next. Never been to Rathe, ever!

P.S. The exp is excellent. I'm halfway convinced the real ZEM is based on zone popularity and drop value.

- Spatz, 21 Hafling Tourist

I just did 24-30 on a cleric in Najena,it went very fast. It's not dangerous,and the mobs you'd be killing are 3 single spawn skeletons. If dungeons aren't your cup of tea maybe not for you,but it's a great spot for that level range.

[shovelquest]

Just to update everyone, I decided to take my 19 Cleric to East Karana to solo undead gnolls, going against basically all the advice I hear anywhere but here.
I've been having such a nice time that I don't think I'd like to ever go back to crocs or unrest again.

Compared to the lovely atmosphere of the outdoor western zones, cramping into a dungeon or standing ankle-deep on the shore in oasis sounds like a joke on the players. Yet it's all anyone does!

Looking forward to the other Karanas, Rathe, maybe even Everfrost next. Never been to Rathe, ever!

P.S. The exp is excellent. I'm halfway convinced the real ZEM is based on zone popularity and drop value.

- Spatz, 21 Hafling Tourist

The east karanas are beautiful this time of year.

[strongNpretty]

Karana is bad recommendation. Its dangerous for lvl 17 and 20 and would be a huge cr. These forums are full of bad advice

Just bind in FP. Stay near unless your heading to a dungeon. I sometimes wonder if this board is trolling noobs

At one time the EXP highway's made sense.. You could walk into a zone, throw up LFG and get a group.. Now you have to bring your own group, so why follow that highway? Cause of ZEM? Get that outta here. P99 is 15+ years old. The golden days are over. Might as well adventure off the beaten path to experience what didn't as a kid, and explore Norrath.

[Goregasmic]

Yesterday there was 20+ people in seb and crypt/disco/ABC/king was taken with someone doing NG and me doing gangrenous scarab for the solo artist challenge. Most groups are BYOG (and not guild groups surprisingly) but they're hardly ever full so if you show up they'll often take you. Been soloing in there a bit lately and I get invited all the time. Not bad for a zone considered dead.

The grouping scene is not like it was on live but it isn't as dead as some claim. The upside of not having every square foot of the zone camped is it makes it a lot more rewarding for people who actually bring a group there.

[kjs86z2]

Yesterday there was 20+ people in seb and crypt/disco/ABC/king was taken with someone doing NG and me doing gangrenous scarab for the solo artist challenge. Most groups are BYOG (and not guild groups surprisingly) but they're hardly ever full so if you show up they'll often take you. Been soloing in there a bit lately and I get invited all the time. Not bad for a zone considered dead.

The grouping scene is not like it was on live but it isn't as dead as some claim. The upside of not having every square foot of the zone camped is it makes it a lot more rewarding for people who actually bring a group there.

is a guild raid banned or is it draft week?

i havent seen 20 people in seb (outside of trak low window) since 2018

[PatChapp]

is a guild raid banned or is it draft week?

i havent seen 20 people in seb (outside of trak low window) since 2018

Yeah I love seb but it's often dead. At least in green,your likely to see a trio at king
Maybe a group at crypt,maybe 2 enchanters. Sometimes a small group doing ng or disco. Rare to see 8 people total.

[WarpathEQ]

Dead is a relative term, its probably the 2nd most populated zone aside from KC for people doing exp from 50+. Velks prolly the only other zone that has anyone popping in randomly looking for exp. Everywhere else is pretty much 100% bring the entire group with you.

Maybe you could throw Wakening lands in by zone count but its typically more than 50% of people in zone are soloing, usually like 1 group max and a lot of times its a group of guildies.