Warrior main - semi-casual player

[one_chill_cat]

I have a Barbarian 52 Warrior - and I would like to grind him to 60, but..

Are warriors as sub-par as everyone says outside of raid tanking?

I've never been on a raid - and unless my work changes I likely won't ever have the free time that allows bat-phoning. I would love to get in on some raiding but have no experience so I assume I'm not going to be picked for the tank?

Am I wasting my time leveling up my War vs my Pally? I like dual wielding, putting out respectable DPS and tanking. Pally is an option I just find the Warrior much more fun.

I don't have any raid gear, but am decently EC twinked/geared (minus some of the more expensive QoL items like some Cobalt clickies / Shrink bracer etc.) Sboz/Frostbringer have been doing a pretty damn good job holding aggro so far. Also have a wavecrasher but Sboz white dmg has been doing the job.

End goal: Crawling, Item/Treasure hunting, some raiding if I can get in on it

Appreciate any input!

[Jimjam]

Sub par is sufficient enough for non-raiding content.

[PatChapp]

Paladins are much better dungeon tanks,but warriors are fine. If you like warrior,play it. It's quite thr grind 50+ for either class

[Snaggles]

Either will easily fill a casual role. A warrior is better for some low-man stuff at 60.

It’s going to be a slog to 60; knights are a bit easier to solo there. Always level the class you like the best.

[jolanar]

If you find the warrior fun then just stick with it. If you are semi casual then your class is irrelevant for raiding. Join the raids when you can and don't sweat the rest. You can also always play the guilds cleric or mage or port bots as needed if you want to feel more helpful for the raid.

[skulldudes]

your warrior will do just fine even if u don't give af about tanking gods. soak big dmg, do big dmg, and collect all the fun clickies forever. knights whippin u on group agro? tell someone to root and take a step forward.

[Naethyn]

Get the best haste you can.

[Snaggles]

I agree, I’d rather see an EC geared warrior with a reaver and two passable aggro weapons than half the people who show up on raids. A 60 warrior is a formidable char and with a scepter and a heal chain you can tank 99% of raid content without 6k+ hps.

Plus..they get massive gains with a little mid tier gear.

[Duik]

So lvl 60 is a game changer for war? Some disc or triple att?
Knights who rip agro from warriors (assuming ≈ weapon gear lvls) are just FoL/stun or disease cloud/darkness too often?

[one_chill_cat]

So far Knights only rip aggro from me with intention (FoL etc). If they aren't actively trying to rip it I have been able to hold aggro (taunt works wonders) consistently. 36% haste with Sboz/FB are surprisingly effective.

Sweet. Those are the answers I was hoping for. Gonna stick with the Warrior! Been having a blast and had more than a few groupmates stoked on my tanking. Solo will definitely be a slog, even compared to my pally, but I'm much more motivated on the war & pugs haven't been too hard to find so far.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. Cheers!

[Naethyn]

Use evasive every time it is up and you are tanking.

[one_chill_cat]

Use evasive every time it is up and you are tanking.

Just got evasive at 52. What a game changer! I'll make it a habit to fire that thing off every time it refreshes.

[Jimjam]

So lvl 60 is a game changer for war? Some disc or triple att?
Knights who rip agro from warriors (assuming ≈ weapon gear lvls) are just FoL/stun or disease cloud/darkness too often?

Treble attack is good but not transformative.

Every level after acquiring a discipline the reuse timer gets one second shorter so by level 60 evasive is 3 minutes on for every 4 off.

Evasive is just way overpowering. Don’t save it for hard mobs. Run it on refresh and time the hard mobs to be pulled for when it is up.

It’s no longer a relevant anecdote but I remember my warrior on green happily tanking 25 spiders in velks at a time with evasive while waiting for the bard to pick up aggro on my pull. Good times!

[Crede]

I have a Barbarian 52 Warrior - and I would like to grind him to 60, but..

Are warriors as sub-par as everyone says outside of raid tanking?

I've never been on a raid - and unless my work changes I likely won't ever have the free time that allows bat-phoning. I would love to get in on some raiding but have no experience so I assume I'm not going to be picked for the tank?

Am I wasting my time leveling up my War vs my Pally? I like dual wielding, putting out respectable DPS and tanking. Pally is an option I just find the Warrior much more fun.

I don't have any raid gear, but am decently EC twinked/geared (minus some of the more expensive QoL items like some Cobalt clickies / Shrink bracer etc.) Sboz/Frostbringer have been doing a pretty damn good job holding aggro so far. Also have a wavecrasher but Sboz white dmg has been doing the job.

End goal: Crawling, Item/Treasure hunting, some raiding if I can get in on it

Appreciate any input!

Based on your end goals, I’d switch to pally. Leveling alts isn’t hard. Getting to 51 is especially easy. And getting knight loot if you do decide to raid is going to be wayyyyy easier than trying to gear a warrior.

You won’t really be crawling/treasure hunting at 60 as a warrior either unless you have some buddies to hunt with. The root net nerf hit warriors and mages the hardest.

Pally is good but also consider sk. Both have a lot of dungeon solo potential but sk has more flexibility with fd.

[jolanar]

If you want an actual treasure hunter just roll a chanter/shaman/necro alt. None of the melee classes are good at it, and will be relegated to farming fine steel and goblin skins for plat (which is still good money, just not what I would consider treasure hunting.)

[Crede]

If you want an actual treasure hunter just roll a chanter/shaman/necro alt. None of the melee classes are good at it, and will be relegated to farming fine steel and goblin skins for plat (which is still good money, just not what I would consider treasure hunting.)

Geared sks can do some pretty cool shit and with 3 fds you’re basically unkillable. Check out keeraraes solo vids. But yea enc/shaman/necro can do it with a lot less gear.

[sajbert]

A warrior, even with amazing gear, isn't really a solo character for crawling. It can sorta be done but typically lower end content.

A paladin will fare better but even a paladin isn't ideal.

If you enjoy the war, keep it. I'd instead level an enchanter or necro for crawling. It's just going to be way waaaay better and can help you fund gear for your warrior later too.

Basically, get war to 60. Then raid park warrior and play enc/necro.

[Eisai]

I love paladin, love to sixman tank. Warrior is a lot of fun there too though and you can be a badass and get lots of pras if you're attentive to the battlefield situation. Get on the mob asap and stand on it's toes. A lot of casters know to root before they throw something high threat. Just expect the rogue to always wait to be hit in the face before they bother to evade. They're probably overgeared and being leveled by a mage or some other low priority raid class that is used to paying very little attention to the fight.

Also, positioning is everything. Strafe to a position around the mob so you can see your high threat mates. Watching for particles that will rip your target in their direction. You'll be prepared to quarter turn and straferun to them faster.

[one_chill_cat]

If you want an actual treasure hunter just roll a chanter/shaman/necro alt. None of the melee classes are good at it, and will be relegated to farming fine steel and goblin skins for plat (which is still good money, just not what I would consider treasure hunting.)

I hear you guys on the Pally/SK suggestions. If I lose faith down the road my 50 pally will still be waiting for me. I have a 55 Necro so solo hunting isn't an issue.

I assumed any crawling & treasure hunting on the tank will be done in a small group. I don't expect to do much soloing on the War with how rough its been going 50+. I'm hopeful as I get closer to 60 I can find some like-minded folks that are up to group some named's, help with epics, etc. My understanding has always been if I'm on the warrior I'm going to want to be in a duo at a minimum.

[Eisai]

Are you green or blue?

[one_chill_cat]

Green

[PatChapp]

If an epic is your goal,paladin is far easier than necro or warrior. Paladin one takes a while,but other than the books is pretty easy. Can sometimes buy the book to

[sajbert]

If you want an actual treasure hunter just roll a chanter/shaman/necro alt. None of the melee classes are good at it, and will be relegated to farming fine steel and goblin skins for plat (which is still good money, just not what I would consider treasure hunting.)

I’d advise against shaman. Takes a lot of investef plat to make shaman work and even then not a great crawler as you lack paci and FD (kinda).

[Snaggles]

You get the extra ease for a knight soloing and aggro spells, or the durability of a warrior with an optional dps disc.

Either way you sacrifice something to get something. All the more reason to go with your gut.

[one_chill_cat]

If an epic is your goal,paladin is far easier than necro or warrior. Paladin one takes a while,but other than the books is pretty easy. Can sometimes buy the book to

I figure a new warrior is going to be very low on the priority list for epic bottlenecks. I more-so meant helping folks w/ their epics (as an example of the caliber of fights I would like to help on). Red sword epic would be a massive win for me but I don't know if that'll ever be in the cards. A ToV 2h is probably more likely and still exciting to work towards.

[PatChapp]

You can level a rogue to 50ish and get a freebie epic to scratch that itch.
Green scale for sure sucks,took me forever

[Keebz]

Having a defensive warrior in the stable is indeed useful! Keep the faith with the warrior so long as you're having fun.

[Duik]

So 52 defensive aligns with vox/nagafen tanking. Is it needed? Or just makes it cake?

[Trelaboon]

It’s never a waste of time to play a class that you enjoy. With that being said, raids are where Warriors really shine, and upgrades from raids make the Warrior way more enjoyable. But again, if you’re having fun, that’s all that matters. They tank fine in groups, they just don’t have the immediate snap aggro of a knight

[zelld52]

I hear you guys on the Pally/SK suggestions. If I lose faith down the road my 50 pally will still be waiting for me. I have a 55 Necro so solo hunting isn't an issue.

I assumed any crawling & treasure hunting on the tank will be done in a small group. I don't expect to do much soloing on the War with how rough its been going 50+. I'm hopeful as I get closer to 60 I can find some like-minded folks that are up to group some named's, help with epics, etc. My understanding has always been if I'm on the warrior I'm going to want to be in a duo at a minimum.

At this point in each server any dungeon crawling groups are BYOG. Yes it’s helpful to be a tank but another class (enc, shm, monk) can do more of the heavy lifting to make up for lack of players

[Naethyn]

My pal is 55 and ngl I had way more fun on my warrior, but I am biased. It just feels so repetitive. Sure, I have spells and can solo super well. Sometimes the challenge of playing a class that isn't easy is what makes it fun.

[Jimjam]

Sometimes the challenge of playing a class that isn't easy is what makes it fun.

I’m glad someone said it. Ngl I sometimes forget which key my warrior mapped auto attack to as well.

[kjs86z2]

warriors are also just so far ahead