I was wrong about Pantheon.

[Wakanda]

I've been a huge hater of Pantheon. (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436621) I've been very vocal about how it looks bad and how it won't be anything like EQ. I was very wrong, honestly.

I bought the Early Access fully expecting to be disappointed, and mad, but at least I could tell people how much I disliked this game afterwards. To me that would be worth $40. What ended up actually happening is I got super addicted to Pantheon and now my friends are mad at me because the weekend is over and I completely ghosted everyone who wanted to play Black Ops 6 and Path of Exile 2 with me.

https://i.ibb.co/Xj6D4cS/pantheonz.png

It does not play like WoW at all. It actually reminds me of EQ in the sense that it's like, okay I'm just going to kill 1 more frog and then 5 hours later you're still killing frogs because it's super addictive. The noob areas can be crowded. I've gotten KS'd and accidentally KS'd several people. I've had other players train their scorpions on me (likely by accident). Players actually seek out buffs and heals from each other. I almost re-rolled after foolishly placing my torch in a bag so I could use a shield, and then died right before the sun went down and wasn't able to see anything since my torch was on my corpse.

It also has that very cozy feeling to it when you finally find a magical spot that has the type of mobs that are ideal for you, and no other players are around and you are just camping the same mobs like clockwork since sweet spots like this are still kind of rare or unknown.

The game is also actually scary because there is no maps, and you have no clue what is out there, or where you're going. This may be exclusive to Wild's End though. I feel like Thronefast isn't nearly as dark, and there are roads and merchants everywhere. Wild's End is the polar opposite. Trying to navigate through Wild's End feels like trying to wander through Trakanon's Teeth / Emerald Jungle without a map or a clue about what may be out there. And also the night time in Wild's End is dramatically darker than Thronefast. And remember, if you die, you may not be able to find your corpse or even have any clue where you were.

Also like .... even getting basic gear in this game is difficult. I had to choose between getting my spells or getting bags. Which is why I almost re-rolled when I thought I lost my corpse. Felt like I lost all my bags, and didn't even have money for spells. I also have a friend who I met in-game who spent an entire day straight basically skinning frogs just to make a set of leather armor with no stats on it. But other players are envious of them and keep asking them where they got it.

Also the mobs are really dangerous once you get out of the noob area. I joined a random group at the goblin camp in Wild's End. We had four people, but no tank. I figured since we had two healers, we would be fine, and told the Rogue to go ahead and pull anyways. He died faster than we could get a single heal off, lmao.

So far I've only played a Shaman, Cleric, and Enchanter. Ironically I had more fun on the Cleric than the Shaman because the Cleric actually nukes really hard, whereas most mobs die before the Shaman DoTs can do much at low level. + it may be because my Cleric is a dwarf, but he seems to do almost twice as much damage with melee than my Elf Shaman. But Enchanter has been the most fun class for me so far. You can tell they are trying to make it a finesse class. It has things like fixate and delayed wound where if you time everything perfectly you can kill a mob that is essentially mesmerized the entire time, but this relies on you being able to cast fixate and have it land a split second after delayed wound detonates. It's super fun and rewarding when it works, but I feel like a lot of casual players will find it too exhausting to use and that you'll probably only see try-hard Enchanters pushing boundaries with this. Also they made the runes that Enchanters had in EverQuest a passive, but you have to have the passive on your spellbar in order for it to work (you don't actually cast it since it's a passive, but you have to have it memorized). You periodically gain an absorb shield up to 3 stacks when you aren't taking damage, but only if you have this ability on your spell bar. I actually think it's more fun than the rune system on WoW, and makes the class more unique, given that they are super squish and don't have a pet like summoner or necromancer, or the firepower of a Wizard.

All that being said, the leveling / grind / camping / expensive spells & basic gear feels very much like EQ. Having to make lengthy trips to town to empty your bags etc. Really dangerous mobs. No maps. The super dark nights. The CRs. All very EQ-esque.

I am curious though, how much it will be like EQ at higher levels? Will there be really coveted items like the FBSS, SSoY, SMR, GEBS etc. that are really hard to camp, but super impactful and sought after? Or will the high level loot be more like WoW and super cookie cutter? I hope not. But I don't know.

There's other things I'm not really sure about. Like how long will mobs chase you? Until you zone? I've never lived long enough to find out. Also there's no guards in the nooby area for elves/halflings. Which BTW I highly recommend you make an elf/halfling when you try this game. Wild's End feels like a true classic EQ zone. Thronefast is much brighter, much easier to navigate, and I feel like the loot is even better (I got full cloth armor off of mobs by level 5, meanwhile I've never seen a single piece drop in Wild's End).

Wild's End though, is so much more fun to play in that I retired my Dwarf Cleric and made an Elf Enchanter just to get back over there because it's so much more fun and immersive. There is a compass in the game BTW, which can help you find your corpse, or locate popular camps. For instance, Goblin Camp is North East from Tree City etc.

But yeah, I was really wrong about Pantheon and it's been a lot of fun. The graphics kind of turned me off at first, but once it started to get dark outside and it started raining, it looked amazing. To the point where people who were watching me play it over Discord were asking me the name of the game because they wanted to play it. The only thing about this game that has annoyed me so far is all the noobs in OOC complaining that there's no map or that the game is too dark ;)

Edit: I'm also super curious to see what the dungeons are like. I'm really hoping they will be massive and have Unrest, Guk, Sebilis vibes to them.

[Duik]

Cool-aid.
Sunk cost fallacy.

Pick one.

Also. Didn't read.
Also also, you don't look like a cow. But they can milk you.

[Eisai]

Hucows be $

[Ekco]

2,321 all-time peak 33 minutes ago

even if it's good i think their prolly fucked.

[Penish]

Dumpster fire of a game, 25 year old emus have larger pops

Also didn’t read

lol

[Wakanda]

Cool-aid.
Sunk cost fallacy.
Erm, I spent more money on Black Ops 6 and already have more time spent playing Pantheon :p despite owning the game for significantly less amount of time

Also I played WoW: War Within for like 3 hours before I got bored and logged out (https://i.ibb.co/60JTzWt/lolzerzdsda.png)permanently (most boring expansion to date).

I can't speak for everyone on the planet. Maybe someone who never played EQ before might actually would hate this game, but I'm almost positive that anyone who enjoyed EQ or who enjoys P99 would love Pantheon. The formula is so similar that it almost feels like when Kunark first launched and it was the EQ we all knew and loved, but had no clue where anything was, or what new spells or items may exist

[Wakanda]

Dumpster fire of a game, 25 year old emus have larger pops

Also didn’t read

lolNo dang way, dude. Our server is so packed that there's currently 3 shards of our server and our guild mates are still on discord complaining that they can't log on due to every shard being full.

https://i.ibb.co/YLxkhHM/lmarezzer.png

Even Mischief wasn't this packed when it launched. I can't speak for the other servers though obviously, but I notice a lot of them have multiple shards as well ;)

[Ekco]

didn't even survive the weekend ;/

https://i.imgur.com/daODa2c.png

[Wakanda]

Also I been playing a lot of Enchanter and I really like how on Pantheon Enchanters are just a support class, and not some ultra mega DPS that you build an entire group around. We're still plenty sought after, but mainly for buffs, debuffs and CC.

[Wakanda]

didn't even survive the weekend ;/

https://i.imgur.com/daODa2c.png

Compared to... what.... exactly?

https://i.ibb.co/jht0rbV/comapred2what.png

And keep in mind, most player characters on the Darkpaw servers are boxed ;) I know from personal experience.

Like I'm not claiming that everyone is playing Pantheon. In fact I haven't ran into a single Pantheon player under the age of 40 or who didn't play EverQuest in 1999. A lot of them are actually P99 players. I'm not claiming Pantheon has a widespread audience because it doesn't. But it's definitely more hopping than any of the EQ TLPs or EQ emulators I've personally tried. So much to the point of it being annoying. Group had to move 3 times tonight, and we got trained multiple times.

Just feels weird to see other P99 players who are aware of the fact that our server usually only has a couple hundred active players online outside of prime-time act like the fact that Pantheon currently has over 2K players on a sunday night is a small insignificant feat.

I think also one of the biggest differences is, these are actual real players, in low level zones, who are playing the game. Whereas 90% of EQ's population is AFK level 60s, or on Darkpaw servers, boxed mules.

I still stand by the fact that if a person likes EverQuest, they will like Pantheon. This isn't another EQ 2 or Vanguard. This feels really, really close to the original recipe.

[Ekco]

anything else other than EQ live, even other 25 year old dead MMOs are doing better. Eve Online is finally dying now after telling their anti-crypto/NFT players(98% of us) to fuck off and die
https://i.imgur.com/Mwbq4qR.jpeg


EQ live outside of TLP is literally considered a zombie MMO now my necro is lvl 115 and more bots farming Krono were/are on my server than humans actually playing when i blitzed through those Darkpaw reboots of Kunark,Velious,and Luclin in a month a couple years ago

so comparing 25-yr old rotting corpse's current stats to this is wild to begin with straight up.

also, if the game was any good you wouldn't be wasting your time posting about tbh, you'd be playing.


nobody is going to invest their time in something that literally looks like a quick cash grab before layoffs and liquidation 2 months from now

[shovelquest]

Im interested in trying it.

[Swish]

Compared to... what.... exactly?

https://i.ibb.co/jht0rbV/comapred2what.png



I'm not a fan of the live EQ servers at all but I wouldn't expect many to be launching through Steam.

[Ciderpress]

The hate for this game around here is kind of curious cause it seems like we should all be rooting for it, no?

Glad OP is enjoying it! Long live brad.

[jolanar]

The hate is because there is a long list of Kickstarter games/mmos that have been outright scams. With 10 years of development and this is all they have to show, it's hard not to make assumptions at that point.

[Ciderpress]

That makes sense. I guess I just want it to be good and succeed, and I have to at least respect the fact they released *something*. If it's like OP is describing, it sounds great to me. I'd try it myself but I don't have time to play more than 1 mmo, and I'm currently a p99er so.

MMO's are kind of a risky business model and I totally get why they all went free to play with microtransactions and shit, but MAN it was magic when they were new and unmolested. I miss that feeling (which is why I play here).

I remember when brad was still alive he posted on somethingawful, and he made a thread for pantheon in the games subforum and everyone just ran him off the forum. Nothing but hostility, made me sad. Dude wasn't perfect but I mean cmon, he was clearly a fellow huge nerd like the rest of us.

[shovelquest]

The hate for this game around here is kind of curious cause it seems like we should all be rooting for it, no?

Glad OP is enjoying it! Long live brad.

Well it doesn't have darkelves so its kind of an abomination.

[Duik]

The hate is because there is a long list of Kickstarter games/mmos that have been outright scams. With 10 years of development and this is all they have to show, it's hard not to make assumptions at that point.

Yeah this. Exactly this.

[Ekco]

The hate for this game around here is kind of curious

it's because of 247 Mode drama and the kickstarter and everything else over the 10 years it took to get to this point.

[shovelquest]

yeah, I would look at them launching even this as a major achievement. Like I imagine getting this game actually onto our PC's was exactly like that movie 1917.

I just think the graphics look a little shitty, and there are no darkelves

but there are shambling skeletons...hmmm

I also don't like how the camera is zoomed out so far. I can't get immersed with those wow cams.

[Ekco]

they didn't decide to go the shitty graphic style wow clone because they wanted to,

they had to pivot after Brad claimed people wanted old everquest or w/e and only raised 200k in a week on kickstarter instead of funding in like an hour.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/8ZoRkUT.gif

[Ekco]

https://i.imgur.com/8ZoRkUT.gif

true enlightenment is realizing it's not the kids doing this to you and everquest, but everquest and you having already done this 26 years ago to TTRPGs

I'm trying to learn legit Nethack right now and the controls are more fucked up than Dwarf Fortress

barrier of entry is feature not a bug, casuals ruin everything. C.R.E.A.M dolla dolla bills yall.

[onmove_broke]

So it follows the same formula of killing a rat, then moving to the next zone to kill a bigger rat, then moving to the next zone and killing a bigger rat. Gonna be a pass for me

[Ciderpress]

So it follows the same formula of killing a rat, then moving to the next zone to kill a bigger rat, then moving to the next zone and killing a bigger rat. Gonna be a pass for me

This describes almost every game ever, in a sense.

[Eisai]

And then you and 50+ of your friends kill the rat-god and divvy up pieces of it's carcass.

[Balur]

I remember when brad was still alive he posted on somethingawful, and he made a thread for pantheon in the games subforum and everyone just ran him off the forum. Nothing but hostility, made me sad. Dude wasn't perfect but I mean cmon, he was clearly a fellow huge nerd like the rest of us.

Brad will always be a legend. He followed a similar path to John Romero in that he changed video game history, lost the company he founded, and failed spectacularly when he tried to recover from that loss. Big deal. We all fuck up, but most of us never succeed on a high enough level to be granted the opportunity to fuck up on as grand a scale as Brad or John.

Long live Brad. I hope Pantheon honors his legacy.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

This describes almost every game ever, in a sense.

What’s make or break is:

- is the gameplay loop engaging and entertaining? Even if it’s repetitive, as long as it’s engaging, people will run that treadmill

- can a player separate themselves from the pack through clever use of game mechanics or gear choices? Without being able to separate selves by merit, people tend to lose interest

That’s off the top of my head. But yes just repetitive gameplay is not a game killer on its own. Just look at moba’s and battle royale fps

[shovelquest]

true enlightenment is realizing it's not the kids doing this to you and everquest, but everquest and you having already done this 26 years ago to TTRPGs

You almos got a whoah out of me, until I realized we were wearing converse, and the kids today are wearing crocks.

You're wrong.

You're wrong! What we did to TTRPGs was fucking AWESOME and idiots have tried to follow our generation and failed every time.

It's like, you're saying 90s anime ruined anime, because the anime in 2020 sucks.

NO!

That's just classic wokie brainwashing.

"we're all immigrants"

shut the f up no we aren't some of us are pioneers.

[shovelquest]

And then you and 50+ of your friends kill the rat-god and divvy up pieces of it's carcass.

K__vKoNtHss

[jolanar]

So it follows the same formula of killing a rat, then moving to the next zone to kill a bigger rat, then moving to the next zone and killing a bigger rat. Gonna be a pass for me

Have... have you ever played Everquest?

[shovelquest]

I love killing rats.

I dislike killing soul gods from the 10th ring of eldon right outside the farmers fence.

[Ekco]

You almos got a whoah out of me, until I realized we were wearing converse, and the kids today are wearing crocks.

You're wrong.

You're wrong! What we did to TTRPGs was fucking AWESOME and idiots have tried to follow our generation and failed every time.

It's like, you're saying 90s anime ruined anime, because the anime in 2020 sucks.

NO!

That's just classic wokie brainwashing.

"we're all immigrants"

shut the f up no we aren't some of us are pioneers.

That's just your brain protecting you from the truth.

we're more like those light up shoes from the 90s and WoW was those shoes with half a rollerblade in the heel that went downhill straight into hell.

Brad's ideas... like his unrealistic plan for the paladin epic that involved mostly puzzles n shit, like someone had to explain to him the players are shit and are going to ruin it, HE was wearing the fuckin converses, not us.

dude was a dreamer
"Fuck gamers, acquire dirt bikes" - Brad probably.

[shovelquest]

his puzzle was so good that i'd die on hamburger hill defending it literally with someone who's still doing that quest regularly 25 years later.

my brain is protecting me from these self hating KGB communist ideas is what it's protecting me from.

[Eisai]

This is pretty stupid. When an artist creates something it is never intended to be universally enjoyed by all living creatures. Catering to the whims of every potential subscriber is how you alienate the real fans of your work. That is what turns art into muted gray globs of shyte. Do you really think that the solution to solving the Coke v. Pepsi debate is to simply mix the two together? Everquest was great because it was fucking hard! They designed encounters with the literal intent that they could never be conquered. The masochists that enjoyed the pain of five hour corpse runs at midnight on a schoolnight are the ones still here. This is the same reason this project chooses to replicate that piece of art instead of reimagining it.

The willingness for people to cooperate is directly proportionate to the difficulty level of the task. When you allow someone to alter your vision to bring it in line with their own you are no longer making art. Guess you just plan to make money selling turd burgers to morons so you can buy someone else's art for your mansion wall?

I like a grand array of completely different art styles and many of them are fusions and alterations of other styles but why would you ever want to destroy something you didn't create just because it doesn't speak to you? If you don't like it just turn the page until you find something you do like.

(Did you really just read that crap? Oh man, and now you're going to quote it and reply like it wasn't a pile of bullshit..)

You win.

[Ekco]

This is pretty stupid.

that's why i like it here, best early 00s forum emulator on the entire internet.


Do you really think that the solution to solving the Coke v. Pepsi debate is to simply mix the two together?

a zero-sum debate, when you mix everything at the soda fountain together you're at least acknowledging the problem that's why the only other MMO i respect is Eve Online and think everything else is "bullshit derivative bullshit"
https://i.imgur.com/xNHLUrY.gif

they basically went "yeah we don't fucking know either" but they knew Elite, Traveller and Ultima Online were pretty dope so they made a sandbox and just let the idiots loose.

someone of us got lucky with the right combo and made a soda that was unique and the best thing we had tasted until then and some didn't understand the fucking assignment at all. but atleast someone attempted it and because they did game devs at GDC for the last like 20 years have always sucked eve's cock and given them awards while wishing they had the freedom to make a game like that

but the reality is mother fuckers got bills to pay and if a 3-yr old gets addicted to loot box mechanics oh well.

the actual problem is how you turn the artform of making a decent tasting suicide without drowning it out with too much dr.pepper
https://i.imgur.com/vxpbpOH.jpeg
https://robertkaplinsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/freestyle_large-3.jpg
into the freestyle coke machine that is not only "good" but able to appeal to more people is the string theory of gaming and you probably need 11 dimensions to actually make it work.

[Eisai]

With that machine you can still get a plain coke. Seems like the real problem with there alternate realities is that there isn't enough fodder in the one i choose to live in. Of course all of this will be solved in January when we get a fresh start. Plenty of lfg good times.

[Ekco]

>With that machine you can still get a plain coke.
that's the whole point though and why it works. something like 50+% of freestyle drinks are just normal coke orders.

coke - pve
cherry coke - pvp
vanilla coke - tradeskill industrialists
raspberry coke - marketeers
..etc..etc

freestyle machine has 127 flavors
eve had like 30 fucking emergent gameplay styles that rose up within the system, none of it possible without the half of the game just drinking coke in high sec mining rocks paying their monthly subscription

https://i.imgur.com/25LbyoJ.jpeg

that's IMO... the only progress made in the last 24 years in mmo game dev.

[Balur]

I love killing rats.

I dislike killing soul gods from the 10th ring of eldon right outside the farmers fence.
The journey is always better than the destination. End game can't hope to compete with the feeling you get when you're grinding generic mobs on a fresh server with a group of guys you just met. That's all Pantheon has to get right.

[shovelquest]

might and magic 5 good.

zelda clones made by nintendo after the year 2000 bad.

[Reiwa]

2k or 9k or whatever you said isn't near enough for a game to succeed.

10x that wouldn't be either. Media will shit all over this for fun and almost noone will even try it.

Which is not to comment on the quality of the game itself.

[Reiwa]

his puzzle was so good that i'd die on hamburger hill defending it literally with someone who's still doing that quest regularly 25 years later.

my brain is protecting me from these self hating KGB communist ideas is what it's protecting me from.

MoogWkly1t4

[shovelquest]

"KGBs epic grand scheme of brainwashing and defeating the west without a shot isn't real."

*donates to ceo killer fund

[Ekco]

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[Eisai]

Take me out, to the black..

[shovelquest]

I am right, just saying. :o

[Ekco]

I am right, just saying. :o

right is a strong word. nothing Bezmenov said was inaccurate about how ideological subversion works or what they wanted to do but they were incompetent as fuck about it and it was more about getting us to waste resources looking for traitors than anything else because we were outspending them 100 to 1 or whatever it was.

hilariously, most/all of their actual big wins and putting points on the board in the cold war was due to capitalism. their best dude literally got caught because his wife wouldn't stop shopping with money they couldn't explain how they got.

they didn't understand us the same way we didn't understand them
"America doesn't make sense because they buy and sell each others homes" - putin
but yeah, i remember that cut scene in call of duty being pretty cool too.

The Cambridge Five in the UK and the spies at Los Alamos are the examples of when the ideology debate actually worked but by the 80s that shit was so fucking over.

x1U1Ue_5kq8

[shovelquest]

You can say "this that or the other" all of that is propaganda made up by KGB agents.

No political argument made by the left today, isnt propaganda made up by KGB agents in the 60s.

There is no new political dialogue. It's all recycled arguments about racism abortion and anti capitalism anti religion anti family.

That's all anti american KGB propaganda lies from the 60s.

Killing joke is just another of the millions people out there who thought they were being edgy but they were just being robots for the KGB.

[Eisai]

"grab her by the *****" might have been an old kgb tactic?

[shovelquest]

"grab her by the *****" might have been an old kgb tactic?

No that was based and american as F

Anyone who has been outside know its true, if you are famous and rich you can do that.

I don't like, it but its true. And he said "this is shocking but you can just do this if youre rich and famous" and he was right and based.

[Duik]

So based means "A clueless complete fuckwit" ok got it.

[Ekco]

based? based on what?

[shovelquest]

based on not giving a fuckwit duik thinks.

[Duik]

I can see that you cant see sense mate. It's all good. I live in a nice place.
You love a bully sex offender and think there is nuffin you can do about it.
That is the only thing that is sad.

Have you ever met a strong woman who does not take your (or others') shit? Im guessin' not cuz if you had you'd know that statement you made was fundamentally wrong.
I hope a woman in your life is gropped/fondled (in an unwelcome manner) and you say to their face "its ok, they are rich, they can do it and you love it". That look you get is their disgust in you.

Grip on gripper. Grip. Grip. Grip!

[Ekco]

this is why i haven't voted since the first time i was legally allowed to in 2008 rofl.

[Ciderpress]

Welp since this isn't about pantheon anymore.

There is a marked difference between "grab them by the pussy because I'm a misogynist and I hate women yada yada" and "they let you if you're rich", which is a comment on shallow, materialist women.

For some reason everyone becomes the best boyscout in the world in their own mind when orange man is the topic. As if you've never seen a hot weather lady on TV and made a untoward remark.

Highhorses abound.

[Ekco]

Welp since this isn't about pantheon anymore.


says good things about the game honestly, the people into it are too busy playing to evangelize it here any longer.


2,865 users on steam -
all-time peak 11 hours ago

[Duik]

Welp since this isn't about pantheon anymore.

There is a marked difference between "grab them by the pussy because I'm a misogynist and I hate women yada yada" and "they let you if you're rich", which is a comment on shallow, materialist women.

For some reason everyone becomes the best boyscout in the world in their own mind when orange man is the topic. As if you've never seen a hot weather lady on TV and made a untoward remark.

Highhorses abound.

Neigh says I!
Why was he taken to court by at least one woman then?
Just because someone says "If you are rich and famous they let you" and it being true of everyone.

Im sure *some* ladies love that shit. More power to them if they like and welcome it it is true.

It is just untrue that all women "just let you cuz you famous".
To believe this is saying you wish it were true and would certainly make it true on whoever you choose

You sir are a pig. Defending the actions of a pig.
I am glad I live nowhere near your sty.

[Reiwa]

this is why i haven't voted since the first time i was legally allowed to in 2008 rofl.

It's all decided by people who would rather discuss who is or is not a sex demon than the questions of the day. Best not to bother.

For example, they recently approved teachers to double-dip in the loomingly bankrupt federal pensions.

[Bisonzabi]

Brad will always be a legend. He followed a similar path to John Romero in that he changed video game history, lost the company he founded, and failed spectacularly when he tried to recover from that loss. Big deal. We all fuck up, but most of us never succeed on a high enough level to be granted the opportunity to fuck up on as grand a scale as Brad or John.

Long live Brad. I hope Pantheon honors his legacy.

Brad wasn't the sole reason why Everquest got big, infact it was Smedley of all people who pushed for it being fully 3D and even hired Brad in the first place. Same way that Romero wasn't the sole contributor of the success of Wolfeinstein 3D, Doom or Quake but due to a combination of people like John Carmack, Tom Hall, Adrian Carmack, Sandy Peterson, American Mcgee ect...
Brad wasn't this insurmountable genius and almost 18 years later I won't forget how horribly he managed Sigil while battling a drug addiction.
I already paid $100 for the CE of Vanguard in Jan 2007. Not paying $40 for an early access of another pre-alpha. Never again.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

No that was based and american as F

Anyone who has been outside know its true, if you are famous and rich you can do that.

I don't like, it but its true. And he said "this is shocking but you can just do this if youre rich and famous" and he was right and based.

Not exclusive to women

For example, if some rich granny wanted to pay me $1million for some naughty shit, my answer is absolutely

It would be really hard to perform because, well, you’re gross, but nothing that a lot of viagra and maybe some horny goat weed or other libido supps might be able to help. That and some closed eyes and heavy imagination use

For $1mil, sure. Tell all your rich granny friends or fam. Almost everyone on earth has a price. It’s just a question of how much

[Duik]

Wow. You just went waaay down the scale nopenope.
You wasted that fall on the trail with that kinda talk mate.
You can be, nay, are better.

I'm sorry.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Wow. You just went waaay down the scale nopenope.
You wasted that fall on the trail with that kinda talk mate.
You can be, nay, are better.

I'm sorry.

Eh?

I’ve ALWAYS for years said, including here, that I’d hook up with someone gross for a life-changing sum of money. Absolutely

So would most (non-married) people. In a hypothetical scenario, eventually almost everyone caves once the sum of money gets high enough

One act that doesn’t result in medical bills or any other permanent physical harm for essentially infinite money? Uh, yes please

[Swish]

Pantheon looks fun doesn't it?

[Ekco]

Pantheon looks fun doesn't it?

https://i.imgur.com/sIUtNY1.gif

Not exclusive to women

For example, if some rich granny wanted to pay me $1million for some naughty shit, my answer is absolutely


you have to marry them and pretend to be in love, i tried finding this funny photo that went semi viral years ago of some 20 yr old marrying a 80 yr old russian or german heiress but can't find it. the most a normal dude could swing from a one nighter is prolly a playstation 5

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

you have to marry them and pretend to be in love, i tried finding this funny photo that went semi viral years ago of some 20 yr old marrying a 80 yr old russian or german heiress but can't find it. the most a normal dude could swing from a one nighter is prolly a playstation 5

Ha, yea. And my standards are above a one-nighter for a PS5. Mostly because I’m a PC > console guy ;)

It was more about the idea of any misplaced hate towards “gold digger” women. I spit some hard truths, some hard to swallow pills sometimes. And the truth is we are ALL prostitutes. It’s just that no one has come to us with an amount of money to make us cave. And for 99% of us, no one ever will. But if someone did, and did it in a way we believe (as in not some scam, money up front kind of deal), then everyone ultimately has a price

I’ll exclude the very religious and the married with ironclad loyalty to their spouse. They wouldn’t cave ever (I would hope). But the rest of us would

So just because some chick works herself a deal and gets that bag, I don’t feel any animosity towards her

I guess if I had to feel some negativity, I’d feel it towards the concept of celebrity/influencer worship, which is another factor when considering “groupies” who are often women. We need to stop putting people on pedestals they don’t deserve and are often completely un-earned. Because having an attractive perfectly symmetrical face, for example, is something no one had any control over. Just won the spin on that genetic lottery

[Ekco]

And the truth is we are ALL prostitutes. It’s just that no one has come to us with an amount of money to make us cave. And for 99% of us, no one ever will. But if someone did, and did it in a way we believe (as in not some scam, money up front kind of deal), then everyone ultimately has a price


i'm holding out for a Chinese national to purchase me.
6'5
size 15 shoe
breed: German/American mutt

no low ballers, i know what i got.

[Reiwa]

Is there a word for when you want to be a prostitute but nobody wants to rent/purchase you?

I know it's some kind of moral failing.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Is there a word for when you want to be a prostitute but nobody wants to rent/purchase you?

I know it's some kind of moral failing.

Getting into a gray area though because who’s to say I don’t take that enormous sum of money and do something philanthropic beyond what I ever would have been able to do had I not

I mean, I wouldn’t. lol, but we’re speaking hypothetically

[Eisai]

If the number was high enough you wife would make you do it. Hopefully she doesn't just divorce you after and take half? Hmm.. Whatever your number is, ask for double. Just in case.

[Reiwa]

Getting into a gray area though because who’s to say I don’t take that enormous sum of money and do something philanthropic beyond what I ever would have been able to do had I not

I mean, I wouldn’t. lol, but we’re speaking hypothetically

(D) Prostitution and commercialized vice
Any alien who-

(i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status,

(ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10-year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or

(iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution,


is inadmissible.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

(D) Prostitution and commercialized vice
Any alien who-

(i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status,

(ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10-year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or

(iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution,


is inadmissible.

Preposterous, make me Pres and it will be legalized and taxed

I was expecting an argument of well why not rob a bank to give it to charity but that is more of a victimizing crime