Making a Warrior

[spoil]

I've been thinking about rolling a little Warrior for a while now, pretty much settled on Halfling. Realistically I probably won't get to raid level, but also my lowest level alt is 55. This gear is mostly just stuff that I have already, asterisk is my guess at what I should go for.

* Neck: Enchanted Dwarven Plate Collar *
* Head: Dragon Tooth Choker
* Ears1: Earring of Essence
* Ears2: Fingerbone Hoop *
* Face: Eyepatch of the Shadows
* Chest: Fungus Covered Scale Tunic
* Arms: Crystal Chitin Armplates *
* Back: Cloak of the Maelstrom
* Waist: Spiked Seahorse Hide Belt
* Shoulders: Chokidai Hide Pauldrons *
* Wrists1: Silver Chitin Wristband
* Wrists2: Silver Chitin Wristband
* Legs: Enchanted Dwarven Plate Greaves *
* Hands: Blood Runed Gauntlets *
* Fingers1: Djarn's Amethyst Ring
* Fingers2: Platinum Fire Wedding Ring
* Feet: Barbed Dragonscale Boots

* Primary: Reaver
* Secondary: Talisen, Bow of the Trailblazer *
* Range: Idol of the Thorned
* Ammo:

I do have some plat to throw at this twink, but I don't know if something like CoF for example is worth it over the seahorse belt I already have. Open to any suggestions you guys might have.

[spoil]

I assume I'll be doing a lot of soloing at least until ~40+ but at that point I'm not sure what 1h weapons I'll get the most mileage out of. Or should I just go with Herbalist's Spade for grouping?

[zelld52]

dont do halfling they are ugly =(

[Crede]

Pick up a frostbringer/silken whip for grouping or spade depending on budget. Both are fine. Also get a truncheon. Rest is fine.

[Toxigen]

Pick up a frostbringer/silken whip for grouping or spade depending on budget. Both are fine. Also get a truncheon. Rest is fine.

yep this + your gear is cruise control

big fan of spade... and truncheon allows you to duo with classes other than shaman

[spoil]

dont do halfling they are ugly =(

The best name for a Warrior that I have is Facesmasher. So I think it fits a small race ironically, or one of the big boys. But I also like that I can do a little something with Halfing sneak-pulling and limited wall hacks. I can also hide, camp out and clear a PH on my enchanter.

I also like Barbarian, something real classic and nostalgic about that combination. I could afford a cobalt bracer so that's not a limitation. Leaning towards HFL but I'm still undecided.

yep this + your gear is cruise control

big fan of spade... and truncheon allows you to duo with classes other than shaman

Yeah I'm gonna pick those up and the cheap stun proc hammer. The goal is to group where I can not so much level efficiently, probably join one of those guilds like Friendly Druids. Just something to mess around on but I have some plat so I might as well get him properly geared.

[PatChapp]

I went dwarf,wish I had went halfling. Gear gets to a point ra e is meaningless, but never needing shrink to corner tank is legit.
Bracer click works ofcourse but is slow and annoying.

[PatChapp]

Get a dragon tooth choker for your neck and a skull shaped barbute for your head
That gear will get you to 60 either way

[spoil]

I went dwarf,wish I had went halfling. Gear gets to a point ra e is meaningless, but never needing shrink to corner tank is legit.
Bracer click works ofcourse but is slow and annoying.

Dorf is pretty cool, keep a stack of ale in your inventory and pass it out to celebrate a good night of grouping. Also looks cool in classic plate/your BIS headgear. Halfling has a bucket on his head, but I guess with my name I have to embrace looking a bit silly out there. I do have a skull shaped barbute so that's easy.

Where did you put your starting stats? We're both blessed with 90 dex to start off with so I assume stam is a pretty safe play.

[Keebz]

1h's are necessary 1-29 (damage cap) and then again for raiding at 60. Otherwise you should just be reavering or spading.

If you're in a raid guild, look to grab a KT or Dain 2her as a better version.

On my halfling war, I really enjoyed sol a—being small is nice and you can sneak buy/sell to goblin merchant. CC has similar vibes, but being able to buy/sell anywhere is really pretty luxurious.

[PatChapp]

Dorf is pretty cool, keep a stack of ale in your inventory and pass it out to celebrate a good night of grouping. Also looks cool in classic plate/your BIS headgear. Halfling has a bucket on his head, but I guess with my name I have to embrace looking a bit silly out there. I do have a skull shaped barbute so that's easy.

Where did you put your starting stats? We're both blessed with 90 dex to start off with so I assume stam is a pretty safe play.

Yeah Stam for sure.

[Troxx]

Meh. I went dex on my dwarf.

Zero regrets at any point in time.

[PatChapp]

Yeah doesn't make much difference either way. If you start raiding with your warrior you'll have both capped pretty easy by the time you have passable gear

[spoil]

1h's are necessary 1-29 (damage cap) and then again for raiding at 60. Otherwise you should just be reavering or spading.

If you're in a raid guild, look to grab a KT or Dain 2her as a better version.

On my halfling war, I really enjoyed sol a—being small is nice and you can sneak buy/sell to goblin merchant. CC has similar vibes, but being able to buy/sell anywhere is really pretty luxurious.

Thanks for the suggestion, I've done solb but barely stepped foot in sola.

For 1-handers I've got a venomous axe and jade mace lying around for >30 exping.

[Crede]

The best name for a Warrior that I have is Facesmasher. So I think it fits a small race ironically, or one of the big boys. But I also like that I can do a little something with Halfing sneak-pulling and limited wall hacks. I can also hide, camp out and clear a PH on my enchanter.

I also like Barbarian, something real classic and nostalgic about that combination. I could afford a cobalt bracer so that's not a limitation. Leaning towards HFL but I'm still undecided.



Yeah I'm gonna pick those up and the cheap stun proc hammer. The goal is to group where I can not so much level efficiently, probably join one of those guilds like Friendly Druids. Just something to mess around on but I have some plat so I might as well get him properly geared.

The name Facesmasher screams troll to me. Trolls can slam which is nice to have and it has a higher skill cap than kick(which doesn’t stun until 55), they look good in plate(arguably best custom helm), don’t have to endless faction/buy OT hammer, but most importantly have regen which you will notice if soloing 99% of the time. I did the dwarf dex warrior build, even got him an eyepatch, and while it was fun looking back I would have rather just went troll and retained all the clickies while having regen.

Gnome is also a really strong option with the dorf armor and haste arms.

[zelld52]

dont discount 1h at 30, especially at 50+

granted, i delevelled my warrior and had over 200 dual wield and 1h skills, but i was doing more DPS with Frostbringer + Edge of the Nightwalker than i was with Herbalist spade at level 49.

wouldnt recommend jade mace + venomous axe past 30, however (granted still more DPS than toons who arent twinked). if you get a swiftblade of zek or soemthing and a big damage offhand, (wuoshi scimitar, edge of nightwalker, even winters fury) youll rip through stuff as well

[Infectious]

Roll gnome. The clockwork armor clicky are so strong. Clicky dex buff, clicky haste and so on

[spoil]

The name Facesmasher screams troll to me. Trolls can slam which is nice to have and it has a higher skill cap than kick(which doesn’t stun until 55), they look good in plate(arguably best custom helm), don’t have to endless faction/buy OT hammer, but most importantly have regen which you will notice if soloing 99% of the time. I did the dwarf dex warrior build, even got him an eyepatch, and while it was fun looking back I would have rather just went troll and retained all the clickies while having regen.

Gnome is also a really strong option with the dorf armor and haste arms.

Both good options. Do you think dex is the play on Warriors, assuming moderate raid-gear at the maximum? I know it's hard to cap but Halfling only start with 85 stam and Gnome 80.

[Crede]

Both good options. Do you think dex is the play on Warriors, assuming moderate raid-gear at the maximum? I know it's hard to cap but Halfling only start with 85 stam and Gnome 80.

Depends on your goals. Even at 255 dex you can’t rely on that spade proc to save you from a bad pull.

If I was doing a casual halfling build I’d prob go str. If I planned to raid I’d go sta.

[PatChapp]

Both good options. Do you think dex is the play on Warriors, assuming moderate raid-gear at the maximum? I know it's hard to cap but Halfling only start with 85 stam and Gnome 80.


If your talking about capping dex for raids,it's very easy.
With focus, vog and dex buff from a shaman you only need 125 or so to be capped at 255.
Stamina you only have righteous health,so you need 205.

[Troxx]

Lewl @ folks assuming shit

255 dex is what every war should aspire to

[magnetaress]

Select half elf. Diety prexus. Click create.

[Jimjam]

If your talking about capping dex for raids,it's very easy.
With focus, vog and dex buff from a shaman you only need 125 or so to be capped at 255.
Stamina you only have righteous health,so you need 205.

Don’t forget to add boon of the garou and avatar so you can max dex from -75 or whatever.


Select half elf. Diety prexus. Click create.

When the Lady of the Lake has enough of distributing swords and decides to take matters into her own hands.

[Duik]

Are we trying to make the worst warrior?

[Naethyn]

We've already done that.

[Botten]

Lewl @ folks assuming shit

255 dex is what every war should aspire to

This is chance to talk about the fun I set out to accomplish on my warrior while leveling.

A warrior when leveling doesn't always hold the attention of the player like the other classes.

The exciting point in leveling when you get your next slow, charm, buff, teleport etc.. just isn't there as it is with the other classes.

So gearing can be where the fun is.

I set out to have a warrior with 255 dex at all times who had a number of procing weapons and let me tell you it has been a very fun journey.

This is the gear I accomplished from the start for my warrior that gave me 255 dex.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:DexTroll

(all gear was bought, however, some were very rare)

I have a lot of procing weapons and it help to find the ones you want to get from this list.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Weapon_Procs

The best from level one, was the Doljonijiarnimorinar
https://wiki.project1999.com/Doljonijiarnimorinar

It proced often and was a lot of fun to lay out the mobs very early on. I would almost consider it a powerleveling weapon.

For procing buffs -
Best fun was the Cat o' Nine Tails (swapped it in and out for the buff starting at level 20)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cat_o%27_Nine_Tails

Next best fun was the Beetle Stinger (swapped it in and out for the buff starting at level 30)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Beetle_Stinger

Next best fun was the Luminary Two Handed Sword (a Cha buff ... But not needed)

For low level fun and mob control was the
Glaive of Marltek - (Procs a Snare at level 15)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Glaive_of_Marltek

And I am currently at level 53 with the Truncheon of Doom - (Procs a 50% slow at level 50)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Truncheon_of_Doom

Lastly for soloing I do use two Blood Point and they do proc often for life steal
https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Point

For faction farming I use the Earthshaker or Sword of Skyfire - Earthshaker for fun
https://wiki.project1999.com/Earthshaker
https://wiki.project1999.com/Sword_of_Skyfire

Last fun procing item is for those annoying debuffs; the Glowing Black Sword (You don't need it thou and you don't want to use it in group)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Glowing_Black_Sword

I don't have a the Paebala Warbone but I hear that is fun too
(Oh this reminds me, I need to verify whether there is some type of aggro that carries from putting the illusion debuff on the mob. I think there is.)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Paebala_Warbone

I want a Herbalist Spade to test aggro control
https://wiki.project1999.com/Herbalist%27s_Spade

I have a no drop Wish List to test aggro generation and that is:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Neb%27s_Warbone
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tserrina%27s_Whip
https://wiki.project1999.com/Sarnak_Lightning_Caller

And I am working with the Bow of the Huntsman with A Weighted Axe (I don't think it affects procs and there are too few procs even with 255 dex. Something is borked.)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Bow_of_the_Huntsman

.. the Exquisite Velium Reinforced Bow is better

Either way having fun!

[Vexenu]

255 unbuffed DEX build is wild stuff. I can't imagine how fast mobs were dying 1-30 with the Doljon axe lol.

[Crede]

This is chance to talk about the fun I set out to accomplish on my warrior while leveling.

A warrior when leveling doesn't always hold the attention of the player like the other classes.

The exciting point in leveling when you get your next slow, charm, buff, teleport etc.. just isn't there as it is with the other classes.

So gearing can be where the fun is.

I set out to have a warrior with 255 dex at all times who had a number of procing weapons and let me tell you it has been a very fun journey.

This is the gear I accomplished from the start for my warrior that gave me 255 dex.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:DexTroll

(all gear was bought, however, some were very rare)

I have a lot of procing weapons and it help to find the ones you want to get from this list.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Weapon_Procs

The best from level one, was the Doljonijiarnimorinar
https://wiki.project1999.com/Doljonijiarnimorinar

It proced often and was a lot of fun to lay out the mobs very early on. I would almost consider it a powerleveling weapon.

For procing buffs -
Best fun was the Cat o' Nine Tails (swapped it in and out for the buff starting at level 20)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cat_o%27_Nine_Tails

Next best fun was the Beetle Stinger (swapped it in and out for the buff starting at level 30)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Beetle_Stinger

Next best fun was the Luminary Two Handed Sword (a Cha buff ... But not needed)

For low level fun and mob control was the
Glaive of Marltek - (Procs a Snare at level 15)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Glaive_of_Marltek

And I am currently at level 53 with the Truncheon of Doom - (Procs a 50% slow at level 50)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Truncheon_of_Doom

Lastly for soloing I do use two Blood Point and they do proc often for life steal
https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Point

For faction farming I use the Earthshaker or Sword of Skyfire - Earthshaker for fun
https://wiki.project1999.com/Earthshaker
https://wiki.project1999.com/Sword_of_Skyfire

Last fun procing item is for those annoying debuffs; the Glowing Black Sword (You don't need it thou and you don't want to use it in group)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Glowing_Black_Sword

I don't have a the Paebala Warbone but I hear that is fun too
(Oh this reminds me, I need to verify whether there is some type of aggro that carries from putting the illusion debuff on the mob. I think there is.)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Paebala_Warbone

I want a Herbalist Spade to test aggro control
https://wiki.project1999.com/Herbalist%27s_Spade

I have a no drop Wish List to test aggro generation and that is:
https://wiki.project1999.com/Neb%27s_Warbone
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tserrina%27s_Whip
https://wiki.project1999.com/Sarnak_Lightning_Caller

And I am working with the Bow of the Huntsman with A Weighted Axe (I don't think it affects procs and there are too few procs even with 255 dex. Something is borked.)
https://wiki.project1999.com/Bow_of_the_Huntsman

.. the Exquisite Velium Reinforced Bow is better

Either way having fun!

Impressive build! I had about 170 dex on mine but I just didn’t get those spade/truncheon procs fast enough when adds were involved. But if you have better results feel free to share.

[Snaggles]

255 unbuffed DEX build is wild stuff. I can't imagine how fast mobs were dying 1-30 with the Doljon axe lol.

Still pretty slowly. 2ppm with a horrible ratio damage capped 2h?
The only thing that thing is good for is beating fashion quest with a Ranger.

[Vexenu]

Still pretty slowly. 2ppm with a horrible ratio damage capped 2h?
The only thing that thing is good for is beating fashion quest with a Ranger.
Imagine taking the time to gear out an uber-twink with max DEX and then using a Jade Mace at low level anyway. Pfft. Efficiency can take a back seat. This toon is all about proccing that sweet DD and one shotting XP mobs up until level 10.

[Naethyn]

I like how warriors get the least number of actions (activated abilities, spells) by default, but have access the most varied number of spell proc/clicks out of any class.

[Keebz]

They get some good procs (slow and snares mainly), and targeted shrink is cool, but "most" is a stretch.

[Naethyn]

What class gets access to more weapons with unique procs or clickable items?

[Keebz]

Well the casters that have the best clickies with stuff like haste, runes, soul well, rez, lures, ports, etc, etc. Not to mention Manastone is effectively unusable by warriors.

I think the only unique warrior clickies are cobalt (correct me if wrong)? Meanwhile, the other melees have shit like clicky haste, insta invis, FD, Symbol, soothe, illusions, etc. So easily at least on par with shrink.

For procs I'd say they are up there and there's a valid argument here, but Rangers also get the snares and slows and a bunch of novel (if bad) high damage procing weapons. The Bard/Shadow Knight epic procs are also notably defining.

Warriors get the _most value_ out of trivial clickies and procs because they have no abilities, so it feels like they have more.

[Gustoo]

Warriors can't channel

So the shit should be mega sketchy in combat

For a while they were channeling.

SK and pally for utility and invulnerability.

[Jimjam]

When warriors could 360’ full speed sneak, infinite z taunt, sneak pull, invis pull and battle-bandage my god halfling warriors were gods!

… well, not compared to velious monks, maybe, but compared to unbugged warriors they were!

[shovelquest]

When warriors could 360’ full speed sneak, infinite z taunt, sneak pull, invis pull and battle-bandage my god halfling warriors were gods!

… well, not compared to velious monks, maybe, but compared to unbugged warriors they were!

Jimjam and Gandalf know wassup. All those "bugs" were just their heart's being true.

MU5_-lLjhQw

[Naethyn]

Well the casters that have the best clickies with stuff like haste, runes, soul well, rez, lures, ports, etc, etc. Not to mention Manastone is effectively unusable by warriors.

I think the only unique warrior clickies are cobalt (correct me if wrong)? Meanwhile, the other melees have shit like clicky haste, insta invis, FD, Symbol, soothe, illusions, etc. So easily at least on par with shrink.

For procs I'd say they are up there and there's a valid argument here, but Rangers also get the snares and slows and a bunch of novel (if bad) high damage procing weapons. The Bard/Shadow Knight epic procs are also notably defining.

Warriors get the _most value_ out of trivial clickies and procs because they have no abilities, so it feels like they have more.

You're comparing warriors against every other class at once. Sure, other classes get a few of each of the clicks, but I challenge you to pick a class that has as many that are so diverse.

Also, manastone is the best way to stay zerk.

[Troxx]

Also, manastone is the best way to stay zerk.

https://media.tenor.com/tvFWFDXRrmMAAAAM/blow-mind-mind-blown.gif



…. I honestly never would have thought of using one that way.

Touché

[spoil]

That's because you think of manastone as a scarce item. Using it to zerk came immediately to mind when I was making my warrior on PQ. Even called myself Berserker.

[Keebz]

You're comparing warriors against every other class at once. Sure, other classes get a few of each of the clicks, but I challenge you to pick a class that has as many that are so diverse.

What warrior exclusive clickies are there outside of Cobalt? Procs?

I literally think warriors are bottom tier for clickies. Targeted shrink is pretty weak relative to the other classes. For procs, they are fine, but don't have access to any particularly special procs aside from a 50% slow (mind you virtually everyone gets 35% via Willsapper).

Take Ranger. They get roughly the same procs including the big slow, but have self-haste and self-port instead of shrink.

[Keebz]

…. I honestly never would have thought of using one that way.


The real hack was manastones being really good for maintaining low health aggro for trains. At least it was until it was patched out of the planes.

[PatChapp]

Yeah I did a lot of leveling with my buddies druid, he would kite endless crap as I chased it down berserk. Pass the stone back and forth as needed,by far the stupidest way I ever leveled a toon but fun at times.

[Naethyn]

What warrior exclusive clickies are there outside of Cobalt? Procs?

You're comparing warriors against every other class at once. Sure, other classes get a few of each of the clicks, but I challenge you to pick a class that has as many that are so diverse.

This is about diversity, not exclusivity. You keep going back to what warriors can do that no one else can do. Warriors have access to more gear and more weapons than any other class. As a result warriors get more a far more procs and clicks than anyone else.

[Keebz]

Warriors have access to more gear and more weapons than any other class.

Do they? More importantly do they have access to more clickies and procs than any other class? I'd suggest backing up your claim with data.

[Naethyn]

Do they? More importantly do they have access to more clickies and procs than any other class? I'd suggest backing up your claim with data.


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https://wiki.project1999.com/Equipment_By_Class

[Swish]

Aside: SKs get more equipment than paladins, therefore the best knight.

Carry on.

[Duik]

There are only a 100 (or so) items tops per class that really help that class.
Listing the 1000's of usable items is quite a waste of time.

Onward and to insanity, with a blonde!

[Naethyn]

Clearly the opinion of a low item count int caster.

[greatdane]

This is about diversity, not exclusivity. You keep going back to what warriors can do that no one else can do. Warriors have access to more gear and more weapons than any other class. As a result warriors get more a far more procs and clicks than anyone else.

Volume of items is irrelevant. Diversity is not inherently valuable. What matters is which ones are impactful and valuable to have. The overwhelming majority of procs and clickies in this game are worthless garbage that nobody cares about. For warriors in particular, most of their procs give them a worse alternative to things that other classes can do better without needing to rely on an item for it. For instance, weapons with aggro procs are not some kind of advantage warriors have over knights. Knights don't care if their weapons have aggro procs because they don't need them. For that reason, aggro procs aren't some sort of asset specific to the warrior class. As such, it's illogical to measure the power of a class by the sheer number of weapons with procs that it has available to it. That's an intellectual fallacy. It's like saying the Special Olympics offers a greater display of athleticism than the regular olympics because there's a greater diversity between the athletes.

Example:

Warrior has a larger number of items with clicky invis than an SK does. However, the SK has an instant-click one, and can also cast the spell themselves without relying on any item. By your logic, the warrior's invis options are better simply because their list of items is longer. That clearly isn't true, though.

[Naethyn]

Once again we are comparing warriors vs every other class at once. My point is that warriors have access to more relevant abilities that each individual class can lack. It truly is about diversity.

[Botten]

Volume of items is irrelevant. Diversity is not inherently valuable. What matters is which ones are impactful and valuable to have. The overwhelming majority of procs and clickies in this game are worthless garbage that nobody cares about. For warriors in particular, most of their procs give them a worse alternative to things that other classes can do better without needing to rely on an item for it. For instance, weapons with aggro procs are not some kind of advantage warriors have over knights. Knights don't care if their weapons have aggro procs because they don't need them. For that reason, aggro procs aren't some sort of asset specific to the warrior class. As such, it's illogical to measure the power of a class by the sheer number of weapons with procs that it has available to it. That's an intellectual fallacy. It's like saying the Special Olympics offers a greater display of athleticism than the regular olympics because there's a greater diversity between the athletes.

Example:

Warrior has a larger number of items with clicky invis than an SK does. However, the SK has an instant-click one, and can also cast the spell themselves without relying on any item. By your logic, the warrior's invis options are better simply because their list of items is longer. That clearly isn't true, though.

-What a silly analogy when all classes technically have and instant invisible clickable for a measly 10 pp.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cloudy_Potion

(I forget isn't Ring of Shadows instant invis, open to everyone, not lore and rechargeable too? meh, whatever.)

-Oh due to the change one of the best procing hate generators is Rage of Vallon.:D

(I am really not sure why there is such an incisive need to belittle the warrior class lately. Is it that popular to joining the enjchanter pity parade?)

Procs and Crippling blows are a lot of fun and with the right gear and party you can sit back and watch the numbers. Because exp parties are serious business, right?! :rolleyes:

I see Warriors in a unique role and have a chance at being one of the staple position of a guild and raid -> when you are there it is a lot of responsibility and empowering.

And sometime it isn't for a lot of people.:cool:

[greatdane]

I was illustrating the fallacy of his argument, not pointing to a tangible scenario. The point is: the number of procs available to a class does not directly translate into greater options for that class than what's available to other classes. In that particular case, I was pointing out that having a larger number of invis clickies isn't some inherent advantage when, as you note, invis clickies are easy to come by and available in equal and/or better ways to other classes.

Procs being "fun" has no bearing in the discussion about which class has access to the most useful procs and clickies. The objectively most fun proc would be one that forcibly plays a loud fart sound on all clients within earshot. That doesn't make it a good proc.

I don't know where crippling blows entered the conversation.

[Botten]

I was illustrating the fallacy of his argument, not pointing to a tangible scenario. The point is: the number of procs available to a class does not directly translate into greater options for that class than what's available to other classes. In that particular case, I was pointing out that having a larger number of invis clickies isn't some inherent advantage when, as you note, invis clickies are easy to come by and available in equal and/or better ways to other classes.

Procs being "fun" has no bearing in the discussion about which class has access to the most useful procs and clickies. The objectively most fun proc would be one that forcibly plays a loud fart sound on all clients within earshot. That doesn't make it a good proc.

I don't know where crippling blows entered the conversation.

A proc can be fun and be good. Like Rage of Vallon.

And crippling blows start to 'proc' at lower life; the frequency maybe based on the same stat.

Either way warriors get a ton of fun and "good" procs.

I see from your past posts you argue a lot for the value of an Shadow Knight. You may even be a bit bias.

[SmallBandaid]

Didn't want to start a new thread for hopefully a simple question.

Did the WESS get nerfed? Is it still useful for aggro? I got a lev 31 warrior. Was gonna combine it with my Canyoneer Pike for aggro thanks! https://wiki.project1999.com/Canyoneer_Pike

[Troxx]

It is nerfed in that the hate on weapons is now capped. It still has a threat proc but it is a shadow of what it once was.

[PatChapp]

The poison counters it adds used to be huge agro,now they are 0. It should still be a 400hate proc,equal to a stun or debuff

[SmallBandaid]

It is nerfed in that the hate on weapons is now capped. It still has a threat proc but it is a shadow of what it once was.

Anything better in the same price range? Thanks.

[Crede]

Prob frostbringer/silken whip of ensnaring on a budget. Don’t think whip procs until 50 tho. Slim pickings at your level for good aggro weapons. I’d prob just rock a reaver for white damage aggro. Then I’d try to buy LR for dain axe at 50 or stick with the above mentioned combo. Not many good options until you start raiding.

[SmallBandaid]

Prob frostbringer/silken whip of ensnaring on a budget. Don’t think whip procs until 50 tho. Slim pickings at your level for good aggro weapons. I’d prob just rock a reaver for white damage aggro. Then I’d try to buy LR for dain axe at 50 or stick with the above mentioned combo. Not many good options until you start raiding.

Thanks so much for the reply!

[Duik]

We need sizes for bandaids like armor sizes.
Fatties need 3 (at a time)
Human, hef, iks and erud 2
Elf dwf gnome ½ling.

Evil fatties get all the (melee) breaks. Especially after the xp penalty gets removed.

Sorry. User SmallBandaid above made me think of it. Blame them.

Prolly should go back to gardening.