Mrylokar BP vs Fungi vs both - Time investment on leveling

[Fireblade7]

Hey all,

I'm 48 Rogue atm. I have a fungi.

I need a math party helped solved. I'm trying to level my rogue to 60 mostly through soloing. Would it be worth it to buy a Mrylokar BP and spend the time farming cash for that as an idea on time investment total.

What i mean by that is, using a fungi and sitting, 50% to full is 750 hp atm (and will increase as i level). i'm ignoring the x amount to 50% for now but i know it would be faster with a Mrylokar Bp. Im just focusing on the latter half.

If it takes about a minute to heal to full with Mry BP vs 4+ mins with fungi, i save about 3 mins each heal to full. But currently i usually feel safe to engage again at around 60-70. But as i take on more risks, it would prolly behoove me to make that number higher as a death loses me a ton of time.

On the split side, it would prolly take me upwards of 90 hours to farm the 60K plat for the BP.

Now i could also sell the fungi (and my seahorse belt as i dont need the haste anymore -it was going to go to an alt) and only farm 8K, but then i lose the benefit of healing while fighting and while stealthed if in dangerous area.

I know there's more to this. Basically, is it worth it to spend 90 hours to get a Mrylokar BP to help me solo to 60, would those 90 hours be better spent just leveling and with downtime between kills, or should i sell the fungi and haste belt and jsut level with a Mry BP?

The idea is fastest solo leveling with my rogue. (We're not getting into how silly it is to solo a rogue to 60)

Edit: i also realized that i save money by not buying bandages, but i could alleviate this with the embalmers knife as well which is relatively cheap.

[wagorf]

i would sell fungi and belt to get mrylokar bp. my 60 rogue still has the bp but he never needed the fungi, even though i have 3 laying around between alts

[Vexenu]

If you really want to solo, it's absolutely worth selling the Fungi and belt to get the Myrlo BP. Healing 900 HP per min out of combat is much, much better than healing 150 HP per min in combat. Do it and don't think twice, you won't miss the Fungi.

[Crede]

keep fungi, and get bind wound to 210.

[Toxigen]

y tho

[Zuranthium]

You should definitely get the skinning knife for infinite bandages either way. We then get this comparison at Level 51 when bind wound becomes really good:

Fungi + Bandages = 654 heal per minute
Breastplate + Bandages = 1,044 heal per minute (and breastplate can heal past 70% health faster than Fungi)

It's not worth farming 90 hours to have Breastplate + Fungi, but it's worth farming for 13 hours to sell your Fungi + Seahorse Belt and get the Breastplate.

[Fireblade7]

Thanks everyone! working on selling my stuff so i can get a Mrylokar BP! appreciate the feedback :)

[Snaggles]

Mryo looks amazing too. And has better melee stats.

At some point it will be a kill, regen or heal to full, and another kill. The Mryo is a better solution for that.

[Jimjam]

Devil’s advocate: Fungi you can just slap a 4xbandage, 1x sit macro while hide/sneak and go outside to smell a bunch of flowers for 10 mins instead of getting carpal tunnel.

Is there any design reason Mrylokar has 6sec cast time instead of the typical 15?

[Zuranthium]

Devil’s advocate: Fungi you can just slap a 4xbandage, 1x sit macro while hide/sneak and go outside to smell a bunch of flowers for 10 mins instead of getting carpal tunnel.

Minus the hide part, you can AFK for a few mins and have something click the breastplate for you and be full health when you get back


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[Toxigen]

Solist, Flexer of Dicks

[Fireblade7]

Would like to say; got the breastplate and it's so much faster killing stuff. Thanks all for the feedback!

[Trelaboon]

I regret selling my Mrylokar BP. I bought it years ago for less than a fungi, then for whatever reason the price sky rocketed and I wish I had one still. The six second heal is awesome.

[Cecily]

You should definitely get the skinning knife for infinite bandages either way. We then get this comparison at Level 51 when bind wound becomes really good:

Fungi + Bandages = 654 heal per minute
Breastplate + Bandages = 1,044 heal per minute (and breastplate can heal past 70% health faster than Fungi)

It's not worth farming 90 hours to have Breastplate + Fungi, but it's worth farming for 13 hours to sell your Fungi + Seahorse Belt and get the Breastplate.
Explain Breastplate + Bandages math please. Or don't. There's no reason to combine them. Breastplate is straight up faster healing than bind wound 0 to 100%

The only advantages bind wound has, and they are significant, are healing oneself and maintaining invisibility and healing others. Mrylo's cannot be beat out of combat.

[Jimjam]

Explain Breastplate + Bandages math please. Or don't.
Dirty, simple maths time!

Combining click+bandage only makes sense for stuff with ~10+ sec cast time.

t (s) / event / healed
0 / Begin cast
0.1 / begin bandage
2 / stand
6 / complete cast / 90
10.1 / complete bandage / 140
~ 14 hp/sec
Vs
15 hp/sec for just bp

Once you beat 201 skill in bandage it becomes ‘worth’ doing both at once (17 hp/sec), but imo the relative difference isn’t as worth while as it is in rogues (17 vs 15) compared to wars (12 vs 6).

Assuming my napkins built in calculator function is working.

[Zuranthium]

Breastplate heals 900 per minute on its own. If you do breastplate every 10 seconds (instead of 6) to include Bind Wound in the cycle, then you get 1,044 per minute

[Snaggles]

Outside binding other people though it seems silly to carry all those stacks to pick up 10% healing speed. Sure, carry a couple stacks with a Mryo but more than that?

[Zuranthium]

That's the point of the skinning knife - infinite bandages. I suppose it's not always worth the time of making them though.

[Jimjam]

Outside binding other people though it seems silly to carry all those stacks to pick up 10% healing speed. Sure, carry a couple stacks with a Mryo but more than that?

Bandages are great for converting unwanted copper/silver/gold into something useful in vendor trips. Starting an adventure with a few backpacks full - just replace each stack with cash loot as you burn they the bandages. A stack is only like 1pp - you can always jettison for something more important.

Tldr bandages are basically free/no obligation and fill up empty bag slots until you can replace them with cash loot / whateves.

[Snaggles]

Bandages are great for converting unwanted copper/silver/gold into something useful in vendor trips. Starting an adventure with a few backpacks full - just replace each stack with cash loot as you burn they the bandages. A stack is only like 1pp - you can always jettison for something more important.

Tldr bandages are basically free/no obligation and fill up empty bag slots until you can replace them with cash loot / whateves.

My two main melee hardly have room for food and drink. Maybe it’s different with a rogue but I remember carrying a lot of junk on live with mine.

If I had a rogue I’d have a lot of random clickies on me plus some poison making stuff. Seems a better use than an abundance of bandages (presuming a Mryo bp).

[WarpathEQ]

RIP solo rogue, seems like pretty bad advice here, what you're going to find as you get closer to 60 is you aren't going to be able to survive the fight without the fungi and the out of battle regen won't really matter if you can't successfully get the mobs dead solo.

Alternatively you'll have to resort to fighting the absolutely weakest margin greenest mobs that still give exp that your exp gains will be so slow you'll be farming to get the fungi back.

Best of luck.

[Zuranthium]

Fungi has less armor, it's hardly better to use in combat at high level.

Rogue in the high 50's shouldn't have a problem soloing the level 44/45 NPC's in Neriak to get dark blue kills with good ZEM.

[Snaggles]

RIP solo rogue, seems like pretty bad advice here, what you're going to find as you get closer to 60 is you aren't going to be able to survive the fight without the fungi and the out of battle regen won't really matter if you can't successfully get the mobs dead solo.

Alternatively you'll have to resort to fighting the absolutely weakest margin greenest mobs that still give exp that your exp gains will be so slow you'll be farming to get the fungi back.

Best of luck.

A fungi is 150hps a minute. It regens 2.5hp/second. Blue cons do more than 2.5dps. Best of luck using a calculator.

Lots of rogues solo to 60, it is isn’t hard if you know where to go, have decent gear, bum buffs, or use poisons.

[Toxigen]

yeah all this sounds like torture

[Snaggles]

yeah all this sounds like torture

More or less than the forums?

[Fireblade7]

I’m already 53. I’m doing fine soloing. The Mrylokar bp actually helped tremendously to kill things faster compared to the 150 hp of regen from the fungi during each fight.

5.5% per hour when I’m being lazy and half afk because of work and 11% when I’m being proactive and using poisons. Yeah that’ll half once I get to 54, but still seems decent.

[zelld52]

when youre 60 and raiding lose the mrylo and get a fungi again.

[Snaggles]

I wouldn’t do that. Plenty of times you might be in a HoT group with limited healing. Ducking around the corner to invig click isn’t worth it but between fights it can be. It might also save you from dying to a dot after the fight like Talendor or Trak.

I keep great healing loaded on my Ranger when I raid. Fungi is often bagged. I’d rock a myro BP in an instant it I could.

[zelld52]

I wouldn’t do that. Plenty of times you might be in a HoT group with limited healing. Ducking around the corner to invig click isn’t worth it but between fights it can be. It might also save you from dying to a dot after the fight like Talendor or Trak.

I keep great healing loaded on my Ranger when I raid. Fungi is often bagged. I’d rock a myro BP in an instant it I could.

Yeah but I’d rather afk hidden for a few minutes between fights and fungi regen from 70% up to full in HoT.

You get almost as HP per tick with fungi + 210 bind wound as you Do with mrylokar click. Def see your point though. I got rid of my mrylo when I got the SS BP but that extra 3s on cast adds up

[Duik]

Has anyone tried to click (in a corner) long cast time heal BP and move away from mob and go back to corner for the completed cast time? Like old mate in the video with the wiz robe. That would be pretty sweet heal/time i should think.

[Snaggles]

If it would work your position would have to be perfect since no channeling.

It always seemed more a gimmick than a trick to exploit. Between ducking and recasting later, or a utility spell like Root, not sure what benefit it might give outside maybe PvP’ing.

[Duik]

Rogue cannot root or snare (outside of poisons). Also the stand in a corner so position has no choice but be the same, like the video linked about the wiz robe.

Also also, it was a question directed st someone who has A: a rogue of 45+ and B: a Mrylokar BP.
Other BP heal classes may also apply.

[Fireblade7]

Oh I plan on picking up a fungi for my bag later on and just keeping both. I just didn’t have the funds to do that while leveling. Also 60% into 54!

[Evia]

FWIW I had a fungi on my 60 rogue and I sold it and bought a mrylokars BP. Within a week i sold the mrylokars and bought back the fungi. I felt I could do more with in combat regen vs patching myself up after battles. Mobs I used to be able to take with the fungi I now could not with the mrylokars. Maybe that's just me tho.

[zelld52]

Rogue cannot root or snare (outside of poisons). Also the stand in a corner so position has no choice but be the same, like the video linked about the wiz robe.

Also also, it was a question directed st someone who has A: a rogue of 45+ and B: a Mrylokar BP.
Other BP heal classes may also apply.

didnt do with corner positioning, but i soloed the barbarians in Qeynos bank using poison and mrylo BP. trick is to back up and reapply poison while root is still effect on Spine Break, so you keep it constantly rooted. if necessary you can heal mid fight too, but Spine Break is also a slow.

Rogue solo is really really not good

[WarpathEQ]

A fungi is 150hps a minute. It regens 2.5hp/second. Blue cons do more than 2.5dps. Best of luck using a calculator.

Lots of rogues solo to 60, it is isn’t hard if you know where to go, have decent gear, bum buffs, or use poisons.

Nobody is saying you will be HP neutral or positive with a fungi on 50+ silly man but that extra 450hp over a 3 minute fight, which is probably ~20% of your total HP self buffed means you can fight 20% more mob, compared to a very minimal diff in your overall AC. As someone who used both while leveling I saw a massive difference in what fights I could win with a fungi on over a mrylokars BP during combat. Of course the MBP is the best thing outside of combat but that only matters when you aren't dead and when you can actually kill things that give meaningful exp gains.

The fungi is a necessity to maximize your solo exp efficiency the MBP is a luxury to reduce downtime

[Snaggles]

Nobody is saying you will be HP neutral or positive with a fungi on 50+ silly man but that extra 450hp over a 3 minute fight, which is probably ~20% of your total HP self buffed means you can fight 20% more mob, compared to a very minimal diff in your overall AC. As someone who used both while leveling I saw a massive difference in what fights I could win with a fungi on over a mrylokars BP during combat. Of course the MBP is the best thing outside of combat but that only matters when you aren't dead and when you can actually kill things that give meaningful exp gains.

The fungi is a necessity to maximize your solo exp efficiency the MBP is a luxury to reduce downtime

I came off smug, sorry about that.

Understandable but most fights in this game outside a few classes are kill one, recover, repeat ad nauseam. 7 min repops are the life blood of a solo to 60 melee.

Currently a Mryo on blue sells for about 2x a Fungi. It’s a nice cheap pick for any melee and most the priests situationally. That said, most fights aren’t 3 minutes long for a monk, rogue, or warrior. Perhaps for a hybrid melee due to spell use and lower dps on higher Hp targets.

All of it does sound painful though. I agree you certainly need a recovery tool to keep killing a repop in those high levels. Not sure I agree that a 58+ post-HK rogue needs a fungi to live. If so they are walking a high-wire with death (a couple hundred hps) every fight, RNG is going to roll bad dice eventually.

[Jimjam]

I’ve never timed it on any other class, but sonic bats (and later LdCs) can take a full evasive disc when soloing on a warrior, so I don’t think a rogue would be that much faster (unless very talented at ghost stab)… then again maybe RB + eyepatch could speed things up enough to make the fight closer to 2 mins, but that is still a beefy +300hp. That is a big cutdown on how often you’d have to zone out / emergency potion / whateverif you take a few bad rounds.

[Snaggles]

I’ve never timed it on any other class, but sonic bats (and later LdCs) can take a full evasive disc when soloing on a warrior, so I don’t think a rogue would be that much faster (unless very talented at ghost stab)… then again maybe RB + eyepatch could speed things up enough to make the fight closer to 2 mins, but that is still a beefy +300hp. That is a big cutdown on how often you’d have to zone out / emergency potion / whateverif you take a few bad rounds.

lDC’s have 5.3k. You need 29dps to do that in 3 minutes.

I guess it makes sense but that dps seems a bit low. It’s about what my SK does with a soul defiler with a Sky haste belt.

This thread is making rogue poison even more appealing. Due to the duration of spine break 1 though I’m thinking a leveling path to farm materials for higher rank versions might be necessary.

[Duik]

Stop making me want a rog. All this chat of poisons and ghost BS sounds enticing.
Moderate to extreme twinkage though would be required im thinking. At least money to make poisons.

[zelld52]

Due to the duration of spine break 1 though I’m thinking a leveling path to farm materials for higher rank versions might be necessary.

curious to see how that goes. i gave up on that quest long time ago, because of the same reason tho. i just used spine break 1 til 60. but the longer duration would be siiiiiiiiick

[Snaggles]

curious to see how that goes. i gave up on that quest long time ago, because of the same reason tho. i just used spine break 1 til 60. but the longer duration would be siiiiiiiiick

Yea even 42 seconds of 50% slow is probably worth just dealing with due to the vendor convenience.

To farm enough of the heartstring scorpion poison sacs or basilisk eyestalks to level on would be an enormous time sink :(