Pantheon Rise of the Fallen

[Reviction]

This game really has an old school EQ feel and despite what you've likely heard it's playable and fun, AND will have bunch more content in by December for playing and testing. Hope to see some more of my old EQ players there!

[Penish]

10 more years to go, cant wait to play this

lol

[Evia]

LOL

[Zadrian]

Pantheon kinda died with Brad. It's Joppa's game now, so it's whatever it's become at this point.

Monsters and Memories is the one we wait for.

[Ciderpress]

There will probably be a full blown nuclear war and nuclear winter, and at some point as the dust is settling Pantheon somehow actually releases and it's pretty good! I would accept that reality.

[Duik]

Pantheon: Fall Of The Risen.

[Wakanda]

From the outside looking in it doesn't feel like EverQuest, it feels more like WoW. Like you know how when you make a mage in WoW, you'll still be using the same frost bolt 60 levels later? That's how Pantheon looks to me. Part of what made EQ cool was getting different lines of spells periodically. Using the same spells your entire career is very WoW-esque.

I hope it's a good game though. I'm so burned out on WoW and don't even know if I'll buy War Within. The last three expacs were a waste of time/money imho.

[Ekco]

Pantheon kinda died with Brad.

let's not get crazy here, Pantheon was a clusterfuck from day 1, Brad dying was just the final in a long long line of nails in the coffin.

[f4k3n4m3]

Followed and tested Pantheon for years. It has some stuff going for it, but I find the combat less than fun. Kind of like the inverse of the old easy to learn, hard to master that made so many games great. Its hard to learn and easy to master because its mostly just rotation spam and knowing what openers you provide for your group.

Feels like they've wasted so much time trying to reinvent the wheel and focus on the less important parts that they forgot what they were doing. Feels too inspired by FFXI as well, which was shit compared to EQ.

Played a laggy Monsters and Memories alpha test and immediately liked it more.

[Ciderpress]

I just wish they would name Monsters and Memories something else so bad.

[f4k3n4m3]

I just wish they would name Monsters and Memories something else so bad.

it really is. sounds great as a project name, but not actual final product.

[Ekco]

it hits a very specific target audience, ex-DnD players. all the retro clones have this naming convention. and it's literally wtf early eq was about and based on. kunark is literally based on that one dude's DnD campaign for christ sake.

[Estrang87]

When they went to the weird cartoon graphics the whole idea of a eq type game died. How many times have they redone the engine or graphics now?

[Knuckle]

This game really has an old school EQ feel and despite what you've likely heard it's playable and fun, AND will have bunch more content in by December for playing and testing. Hope to see some more of my old EQ players there!

They changed the graphics to look like WoW classic. They can't seem to put a product together after a decade of development. What their goals are seem to change on a whim. Also the fact that they are anti-soloing is going to kill this game. People should be able to solo or group, people dont have hours to wait around for groups to get SOME exp/progression. Should be obvious their head is up their asses and has been for awhile.

[shovelquest]

Oh god I had to look up the latest. It's fortnight graphics!

[Knuckle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/712449384150990959/1280569218445611058/image.png?ex=66d88e85&is=66d73d05&hm=0f3413df99655a89c7a6afcac5e39e8641e13bf0a512bfe 993fe2157bc9ad1e0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=962&height=526

lol.

I realize i posted twice in a row on different accounts(lost this one for awhile). Wasn't trying to brigade the thread. But as you can see, the graphics do suck and kills the classic EQ immersion (imo).
Graphics may not make or break a game, but style does, and the video showing this comparison nails it on the head. EQ Style games have a grim world feel while also sharing high fantasy setting and epic adventure. I would say classic EQ stands the test of time despite its dated graphics, because of the art style and tone.

They think going with pastel color book world is going to hold their core audiences attention, they are asking you to eat shit with a smile. Even if they had financial constraints, this has been in development 10 years, and I find it hard to believe that scrapping all that progress to shit on the atmosphere of the world they created was a goal created by people who have a passion for the type of game that the audience crowdfunded initially. I feel bad for any sucker who has been pledging to this game with no tangible reward for 10 years. Maybe the game will be awesome but it will be hard to not pass on it, there is clearly behind the scenes major issues. That's assuming this ever actually releases as a finished product.

[sajbert]

Pantheon is ass. Boomers stole your money, again.

Monsters and Memories are doing a better job by the looks of it. The project seems VERY rough for being so close to paid beta test (that’s the truth of it). Progress seems slow but there’s continuous progres and the’re open with the community. Either devs are lazy or far too few but if the community is big enough may turn into something great.

Pantheon however, it’s not even risen from the grave much less any heights.

Reat in shit Pantheon.

[Knuckle]

I respect what M&M is doing but I also strongly dislike the art style of the game. However they never pretended it was anything else so that already puts it above Pantheon.

[booter]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3107230/Pantheon_Rise_of_the_Fallen/

early access starts friday... vaporware no more? liquidware?

[mcoy]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3107230/Pantheon_Rise_of_the_Fallen/

early access starts friday... vaporware no more? liquidware?

https://imgur.com/Bg6zxmL.jpg

-Mcoy

[Ekco]

seems like an odd time to launch

inb4 this is just ripping the Band-Aid off so it can fail, and these poor people move on with their fucking life.

[Swish]

I still want it to succeed as much as the internet wants everything to fail these days. Some of their decision making has been really poor though.

[Eisai]

I've only followed the game's progress through these forum updates so i can only imagine just how completely and utterly un-fucking-believably awesome this is! :P

[Ekco]

I still want it to succeed as much as the internet wants everything to fail these days. Some of their decision making has been really poor though.

it's more than the internet just hating things, like... the people there already said the quiet part out loud years ago with that 247 Extraction mode drama, at least now they can actually go try to make the game they want to

[Wakanda]

I haven't played it, but it feels more like a classic WoW clone than an EQ clone. Like how the mobs out in the world all have warnings above their head if they are elites or dangerous. The fact that you get all of your core abilities at really low level and keep them throughout your entire career instead of getting entirely new spells as you level. The fact that there's no over-lap between classes for certain spells (IE. how in EverQuest, multiple classes get shared spells like Root, Invis, Resist Magic, Fear etc) makes the spells and abilities feel way more WoW based.

I honestly hope I'm wrong though. I'll wait a couple of weeks, maybe even a month before I decide to purchase EA though. I've already gotten burned on too many MMOs over the years whether it's Vanguard, Crowfall, Warhammer Online, Age of Conan, Wildstar etc.

In the meantime y'all might want to check out Stalcraft. It's a F2P MMO that's fun if you like FPS and PVP.

[Balur]

I haven't played it, but it feels more like a classic WoW clone than an EQ clone. Like how the mobs out in the world all have warnings above their head if they are elites or dangerous. The fact that you get all of your core abilities at really low level and keep them throughout your entire career instead of getting entirely new spells as you level. The fact that there's no over-lap between classes for certain spells (IE. how in EverQuest, multiple classes get shared spells like Root, Invis, Resist Magic, Fear etc) makes the spells and abilities feel way more WoW based.

I honestly hope I'm wrong though. I'll wait a couple of weeks, maybe even a month before I decide to purchase EA though. I've already gotten burned on too many MMOs over the years whether it's Vanguard, Crowfall, Warhammer Online, Age of Conan, Wildstar etc.

In the meantime y'all might want to check out Stalcraft. It's a F2P MMO that's fun if you like FPS and PVP.

WoW was basically a more polished version of EverQuest with most of the rough edges sanded off. It was more mechanically complex than EverQuest, but it was a much easier game because non-elite mobs were so wimpy and you could minimize (or nullify in the case of some classes) downtime in multiple ways.

If Pantheon manages to combine classic WoW's mechanical complexity with EverQuest's mob difficulty, I'll give it a chance even though the graphics are terrible. It's not like there are any other MMOs worth playing.

[jolanar]

I haven't paid attention to this game at all since I had no faith it would come out and didn't want to get let down.

I've watched some videos of early access and it does seem promising, but I still feel like it's not ready to play yet.

I might start playing when they launch/switch to a persistent world.

[mcoy]

I am totally addicted to Pantheon now. I do not recommend any of you try it, but if you do I'm on eremos and can 25%. They've fixed everything I considered broken and kept everything we hate. I love it. Please come join me so I can rez you for free! I hope to get 50% soon...

-Mcoy

[Knuckle]

This game really has an old school EQ feel and despite what you've likely heard it's playable and fun, AND will have bunch more content in by December for playing and testing. Hope to see some more of my old EQ players there!

It's not as oldschool EQ feel as you or others would like to believe.

1.) Focuses on low cooldown abilities during combat (WoW style of gameplay).
2.) White Damage (aka autoattack damage), is far less important to gameplay, which is signficantly different from EQ melee combat.
3.) Downtime is minimal.
4.) Spells are not very much like EQ. Very minimal spell selection per class. The attempt to mimic spell gems from EQ are somewhat noted, but the amount of utility each spell class gets is far more minimal and consolidated compared to EQ. Seems like there are very few "fluff" abilities which add class immersion and is much more barebones, like an EQ min maxxer cut out every spell that didn't have high impact in combat.
5.) The size and scale of this game is absolutely dwarfed by classic EQ. The towns in this game are far, far smaller than anything from EQ. Wilds end has Kelething Jr. Which looks cool but is probably 10% the size of Kelethin.
6.) Crafting is....something. It is definitely a lot better than EQ crafting in some ways, but a worse version of WoW in others. Locking schematics behind RNG chests to progress any tradeskill beyond equipping a level 5 character is hilarious. Alchemy seems ok, as well as provisioning. Anything for armor, weapon, etc... is terrible.
7.) "Reacting to NPC one-shot mechanics". Level 7 mobs with a suicide sting that does a full tanks HP if you don't have a interrupt mechanic. Other mobs like level 5 non elite skeletons nuking for 30dmg.... You might think EQ does this, but the closes thing to these mechanics was Harm Touch, which did not one shot you as a lower level mob.
8.) Packing the game with wow elite mobs to punish soloing experience and force grouping. Mobs are more dangerous than EQ, leveling up you still can get annihilated by grey mobs if they are 'elite' or have some broken mechanic to make them too difficult to kill. Power scaling by level is nothing like EQ.

People that race to defend this game, answer me how 10 years of time has resulted in:

1.) Stackable items not automatically sorting when placed in bank.
2.) 6 playable zones (several incomplete or partially completed).
3.) Camping a character kicks you to server select instead of character select.
4.) Only PARTIALLY implementing 6 starting races with TWO starting zones(do not call the cave ogres/dark myr start in a zone....)
5.) No racials implemented.
6.) Can't switch weapons during combat.(good luck traveling at night with a torch :) )

This is of course just scratching the surface, which is what this game is. A surface level tech demo of a EQ-Lite game mashed with some wow mechanics and puzzling group obsessive content to the point it makes you wonder who their target audience actually is, other than delusional EQ players who want to pretend this is the "spiritual successor" to EQ.

EDIT: I know this sounds like I am bashing the game, and I am, I am very critical of its shortcomings, it has many, and I doubt this game stays online another 5 years.

That being said, I am still having fun, but I do think the luster will wear off much quicker than a game like EQ or WoW. I entered EA last week with 2 RL friends and we have probably collectively put in 120 hours. The longevity of this game is EXTREMELY doubtful, and the game going to EA at this stage is like paying $40 for early alpha testing after 10 years dev time. ALSO before anyone replies.....Yes I am aware of the comical behind the scenes of this game rebuilding from scratch and other drama, it doesn't excuse 10 years of investment flushed down the cocaine toilet.

[Ekco]

4,820
all-time peak 2 days ago

are most of the players not using Steam or something? even if it's twice that number i don't see how the game stays operating for 5 months let alone 5 years rofl.

[Knuckle]

4,820
all-time peak 2 days ago

are most of the players not using Steam or something? even if it's twice that number i don't see how the game stays operating for 5 months let alone 5 years rofl.

It's possible they could stay profitable once they get a subscription plan especially with such a small team( i assume its a VERY small team giving the lack of QoL and content size). But they are just not at a good stage to win that sort of confidence from players.

[Ekco]

so the game is shit currently, after 10 years. BUT once they lay off 99% of the people who have been working on it we'll be on the right track.
https://media.tenor.com/teYUqgLMBucAAAAM/right-track.gif
no refunds btw.

[Lune]

I know I'm going to regret it, looks like janky garbage, is the xylazine to EQ's heroine, but hey I said the same thing in 1999 let's fucking gooooo

[Duik]

Pantheon, Fall Of The Risen.
'Nuff said.

[shovelquest]

Watched a video online and want to give it a try.

[Estrang87]

Almost 16 on my pally and thinking of hanging it up. Not muchcontent, nothing worthwhile to solo, and all crafting and loot is gated behind wow elite type mobs. Some genius decided theyd have perfect hit rate even once grey. So theyve handicapped player agency beyond eq levels in some ways. There just isnt much to do. If you are super motivated by a desolate end game with minimal loot there is a place for you. Its hard to be hype about a MASSIVE multiplayer game that is struggling to have fleshed out 6 zones. i mean seriously, the size i could forgive, but everything feels mega jank, the team is too small for an mmo, most classes feel incomplete, crafting system is trash. Its a struggle to stay engaged. And you have rogues looting all the chests gatekeeping all the best loot lol.

[Swish]

so the game is shit currently, after 10 years. BUT once they lay off 99% of the people who have been working on it we'll be on the right track.
https://media.tenor.com/teYUqgLMBucAAAAM/right-track.gif
no refunds btw.

Maybe it'll get good at expansion 1. Who's up for an expansion/DLC?

[Ekco]

Maybe it'll get good at expansion 1. Who's up for an expansion/DLC?

https://media.tenor.com/7IYEbcm9-BoAAAAM/fuck-you.gif

[shovelquest]

Im getting really tempted to try this I came so close tonight, but am not going to yet.

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[Knuckle]

I think that there is fun to be had, its just a very small world for a MMO.

[Duik]

5 yrs ago it was new. Exciting even.
Now it is just an emu with new (different?) clothes, and a money (coke) sink.
I'm sorry Brad fucked it for everyone. He did good, then failed (wrapped in plastic). Get over it.

But keep falling for it.
Ask them if they accept bitcoin.
Or Golden basketball shoes.

[shovelquest]

Idk... it looks exactly like everquest.

Im not gonna sit here and talk shit on a game that looks like everquest.

Whats with your like, need to hate on this game?

But keep falling for it.

It's a fuckn toy dude. Not a crypto.

[shovelquest]

I think that there is fun to be had, its just a very small world for a MMO.

I heard its small, tbh at least that means I can quit playing sooner than later, which is part of the attraction to starting a new game that reminds me of EQ :o

[Swish]

But is it more fun than rolling an alt on EQ?

[shovelquest]

But is it more fun than rolling an alt on EQ?

I literally was wondering this, because I was like thinking it was so simliar to EQ... its part of why I haven't pulled the trigger.

I was in the middle of watching a shaman video and I was like, this is literally eq.

The guys on that stream I linked were talking about the major differences (I watch that stream a lot).

They said in Pantheon, the dps output from enemies is much higher than it is in eq.

So like, one tiny F up and the whole party gets wiped.

Which.. a more hard core, eq experience.. might be fun to master! And also remind me of the good old days when we all sucked at EQ :o

I also just don't know if I want to put the effort of mastering it.

[Duik]

Idk...
Boring stuff...



It's a fuckn toy dude. Not a crypto.

I didnt ask if it was crypto, I asked if they'd accept it.
Are they still asking for kickstarter/pre-release money?

The toys I buy are all finished and i can use them to the fullest.
Jetski. Remote control car. Motorcycle. Computer.

All bought knowing their limitations but basically finished goods. Not a gimmie more cash so I can supply you a "concept of a game" (that is 5+ yrs in the making) Eq was made in 1998 onwards with waaaay less design tools available. No 3d engines to use less programming libraries to leverage.

I dont hate it per se, i hate the concept of people being happy to pay for an incomplete grift that keeps on grifting. Like a youngen I worked with was happy to donate to CS something or other with the parachute release. He was happy to pay for crap in the hope it was good. Fuck that. Make ya game fuckers. I will decide, as will others to buy it or not.
So.
Make a game. Offer your version of it, take an artistic risk. M&M comes to mind.
YMMV.

[shovelquest]

I didnt ask if it was crypto, I asked if they'd accept it.
Are they still asking for kickstarter/pre-release money?

The toys I buy are all finished and i can use them to the fullest.
Jetski. Remote control car. Motorcycle. Computer.

All bought knowing their limitations but basically finished goods. Not a gimmie more cash so I can supply you a "concept of a game" (that is 5+ yrs in the making) Eq was made in 1998 onwards with waaaay less design tools available. No 3d engines to use less programming libraries to leverage.

I dont hate it per se, i hate the concept of people being happy to pay for an incomplete grift that keeps on grifting. Like a youngen I worked with was happy to donate to CS something or other with the parachute release. He was happy to pay for crap in the hope it was good. Fuck that. Make ya game fuckers. I will decide, as will others to buy it or not.
So.
Make a game. Offer your version of it, take an artistic risk. M&M comes to mind.
YMMV.

EverQuest wasn’t finished.

How is this a grift?

[Ekco]

How is this a grift?

too early to tell right now, if the servers shutoff in a couple months due to not enough double-down backers (kick starter + 40 dollar EA) to fund further development after a decade one could argue it's a grift based on like wtf was the actual plan there finance wise

if in a couple months the population is 30% higher with actual progress and a roadmap to success then it isn't

i hope it does well, as with any game. looks pretty shit to me though.( i only watched 5minutes of some dude's stream on EQ launch day )

[Duik]

Read a bit more of the stuff I wrote.

Like. 1998 had almost zero tools to create 3d interactive worlds. Now we have multiple 3d engines. Graphics libraries. Computing power and still the devs have 6 zones, incomplete almost everything quests, tradeskills itemizing but they still ask for money before priducing anything remotely eq like.
Ask for cash. Promise stuff... dont deliver. All while arguably having an easier time to produce interwsting content with the engine/graphics being produced more easily.

If you cant see that im sorry.

The eqemu community has better world building tools at its disposal and its a hodge podge of underlying c/c++ with an overlay of perl/lua scripting for us dumbies to play with.

[Ekco]

The eqemu community has better world building tools

Shards of Dalaya and other emu servers have done more innovative shit with eq than ive seen triple A studios do for the mmo industry
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[shovelquest]

idk

boring stuff....

we could end world hunger

[shovelquest]

i hate the concept of people being happy to pay for an incomplete grift that keeps on grifting. Like a youngen I worked with was happy to donate to CS something or other with the parachute release. He was happy to pay for crap in the hope it was good. Fuck that. Make ya game fuckers. I will decide, as will others to buy it or not.
So.
Make a game. Offer your version of it, take an artistic risk. M&M comes to mind.
YMMV.

AKA have a corporation pay for the game up front.

Meanwhile:

The tactics of many corporations and their CEOs is to use predatory techniques to manipulate circumstances tjat are simply beyond the ability of us normies. Even given the chance to screw millions of people out of their worth I'd like to think i wouldnt.

You hate game devs working without CEOs yet say CEOs are predatory.

How do you justify this hypocrisy?

Are the workers, more predatory than the CEO's and corporations???

Because this is what it sounds like you're saying.

[Duik]

See the other thread for the answer to that shovel old bean.

[Ekco]

I'm loving the discussion about Pantheon and EQ. It's like, we're all just waiting for that perfect MMO experience, but it's hard to find. I mean, Pantheon looks cool and all, but is it really worth the hype? And what's with all the drama about kickstarter money and incomplete games? Can't we just have a game that's finished and fun, without all the extra baggage

Dude, I think you're getting a bit too worked up about CEOs and game devs. It's just a game, right? Can we please just focus on the important stuff, like raid tanking and maxing out our cha stats? What's your take on the latest MMO trends, anyway? Are we seeing a resurgence of interest in the genre, or are we just stuck in a loop of rehashing old ideas?

so proud of my ai boy.

https://media.tenor.com/-XNVFOzH1p8AAAAM/michael-scott-the-office.gif

[shovelquest]

so proud of my ai boy.

https://media.tenor.com/-XNVFOzH1p8AAAAM/michael-scott-the-office.gif

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[Lune]

I don't know what the fuck you guys were expecting but for $40 I've gotten 100+ hours of living the EQ ranger dream

Who knows what the future holds but so far it's been pretty fun

[Ekco]

I don't know what the fuck you guys were expecting but for $40 I've gotten 100+ hours of living the EQ ranger dream

Who knows what the future holds but so far it's been pretty fun

i can only speak for myself but the hold up for me is investing 100 hours into a mmo that doesn't seem to have a actual business model considering how few people bought the EA, most things that fuck around for a decade+ and have a kickstarter scandal and drama and the main fucking dude dying can never get half those people who were initially interested in the first place to ever give the game the time of day again due to feeling burned and ripped off

i assume you'd be fine with what you got for 40bucks if the servers shutdown but i reckon a shit load of people would be mad and demanding refunds and dumbshit.

what does have a business model that makes sense is M&M and they haven't pissed off half the internet (yet)

thanks for attending my ted talk about why this thread and clones of it exist in RnF and people are talking about it.

i plan to check out Pantheon if they ever ship the actual game

[Lune]

That's fair, those were hold ups for me as well. I guess the reason it's working for me is I have come to develop a very Buddhist type of relationship with the efforts and spoils of video games. Like it has been 100% about the journey for a long time now, and thus I was able to enjoy WoW classic hardcore, various TLP's, etc-- knowing full well those pixels were going into the abyss. In fact I'd say that started with rolling on emu's which were subject to intellectual property and the whims of whoever runs whichever box (look what happened with Quarm and all the various classic WoW emus).

In order for newbies to enjoy the game, there has to be a crowded, thriving grouping and leveling scene. As this EA ages, and the bolus of established players starts getting higher level, newcomers are going to have an increasingly hard time grouping in a game that is very unkind to anything other than a full 6 person group with tank/healer/cc/dps/dps/dps. In order to keep it fresh, they will have to wipe frequently. Wipe too frequently, people are going to stop rerolling-- unless they can dump large amounts of content on a frequent basis. Unfortunately, they are glacially slow as developers. I don't see how they will be able to do it without slowly withering away as people burn out on the minimal content and they lose their critical mass.

Tonight they released a new orc area in Avendyr's Pass. I had one of those PUG's that you get in EQ sometimes where everyone has chemistry and it's running like clockwork. We were exploring a place that was entirely new, no idea what the loot is, what the mobs do, trial and error sometimes bumping our heads against the wall and partial wiping. It felt like a mix of doing a classic EQ camp and doing that Redridge castle full of elite orcs in vanilla WOW, but remixed, new, and unknown. Much of the game has felt like that, and that's a priceless MMO experience IMO, even if it is fated to end badly. Radical acceptance of the inevitability of loss.

So avoiding the game because you have a bone to pick with them on matters of principle is one thing, avoiding it because it is a bad game or unfun is another. Getting a hit of freebase MMO cut with notes of evercrack straight to the dome has been well worth the $40 for me.

https://i.imgur.com/KwR4RoD.gif

[shovelquest]

Ranger is fun eh? Whats the best solo class?

[Lune]

Ranger is fun eh? Whats the best solo class?

From what I hear, pretty unanimously, summoner.

I also hear good things about monks on the melee side.

[shovelquest]

What is ranger like? Like if you were to describe the class in eq terms.

I saw it has enchanters, can they not charm?

[Duik]

Find out what class the lead dev likes and pick that.

[Pint]

This game is actually fun, there just isn't much game and past 20 there is even less. Makes progression somewhat linear for everyone bc there aren't many zones or camps to spread across.

[shovelquest]

Find out what class the lead dev likes and pick that.

paladin? :(

[Swish]

I'm still waiting for its full release, tempting though it is. Did they have a timeline on that?

[Pint]

I'm still waiting for its full release, tempting though it is. Did they have a timeline on that?

Less time then it took us to get velious on blue hopefully

[Lune]

What is ranger like? Like if you were to describe the class in eq terms.

I saw it has enchanters, can they not charm?

Some classes are larger departures from their EQ counterparts than others. Ranger is like 25% EQ ranger and 75% vanilla WoW hunter, simply by virtue of the fact that they have a more WoW-style arsenal of abilities to execute. You can track and forage like EQ. Combat is basically weaving in and out of melee/ranged. You have good sustained dps in either melee or ranged but do the most damage alternating between them. You have an ability that vaults you backwards and another that jumps you to the mob-- combat is very mobile, fast-paced.

The part that feels like EQ is that I'm usually pulling, using my bow, and plinking arrows at things all the way back to camp. Other than that, does it feel like an EQ ranger? Not so much. Feels more like a vanilla WoW-style hunter in an EQ-like world, which I am really enjoying. It also melts faces, and the item progression has been really fun. I've been making all my own bows. I had to explore into the next zone over to find an ash grove to cut down to make my upgraded bow.

Enchanters can't charm, not yet anyway.

[Patriam1066]

Tonight they released a new orc area in Avendyr's Pass. I had one of those PUG's that you get in EQ sometimes where everyone has chemistry and it's running like clockwork. We were exploring a place that was entirely new, no idea what the loot is, what the mobs do, trial and error sometimes bumping our heads against the wall and partial wiping. It felt like a mix of doing a classic EQ camp and doing that Redridge castle full of elite orcs in vanilla WOW, but remixed, new, and unknown. Much of the game has felt like that, and that's a priceless MMO experience IMO, even if it is fated to end badly. Radical acceptance of the inevitability of loss.



Damn, WTB pantheon. It sounds fun

[shovelquest]

https://clips.twitch.tv/VictoriousZealousPuddingPoooound-_RFvzO4tr4KQV8HJ

https://i.imgur.com/DXL6ucq.png

(not pantheon but another new indi MMO)

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[Reiwa]

That's fair, those were hold ups for me as well. I guess the reason it's working for me is I have come to develop a very Buddhist type of relationship with the efforts and spoils of video games. Like it has been 100% about the journey for a long time now, and thus I was able to enjoy WoW classic hardcore, various TLP's, etc-- knowing full well those pixels were going into the abyss. In fact I'd say that started with rolling on emu's which were subject to intellectual property and the whims of whoever runs whichever box (look what happened with Quarm and all the various classic WoW emus).

In order for newbies to enjoy the game, there has to be a crowded, thriving grouping and leveling scene. As this EA ages, and the bolus of established players starts getting higher level, newcomers are going to have an increasingly hard time grouping in a game that is very unkind to anything other than a full 6 person group with tank/healer/cc/dps/dps/dps. In order to keep it fresh, they will have to wipe frequently. Wipe too frequently, people are going to stop rerolling-- unless they can dump large amounts of content on a frequent basis. Unfortunately, they are glacially slow as developers. I don't see how they will be able to do it without slowly withering away as people burn out on the minimal content and they lose their critical mass.

Tonight they released a new orc area in Avendyr's Pass. I had one of those PUG's that you get in EQ sometimes where everyone has chemistry and it's running like clockwork. We were exploring a place that was entirely new, no idea what the loot is, what the mobs do, trial and error sometimes bumping our heads against the wall and partial wiping. It felt like a mix of doing a classic EQ camp and doing that Redridge castle full of elite orcs in vanilla WOW, but remixed, new, and unknown. Much of the game has felt like that, and that's a priceless MMO experience IMO, even if it is fated to end badly. Radical acceptance of the inevitability of loss.

So avoiding the game because you have a bone to pick with them on matters of principle is one thing, avoiding it because it is a bad game or unfun is another. Getting a hit of freebase MMO cut with notes of evercrack straight to the dome has been well worth the $40 for me.

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I think that's the niche MMOs will come to occupy, as it happened the same way with a MUD I formerly played years ago but sometimes keep tabs on.

You can have your custom elf experience but you'll have to buy what is essentially a movie ticket for it. And the puzzles and combat will be extraordinary. And the loot will have a chance at being pretty good.

[Knuckle]

I think those of us shitting on Pantheon are just calling out what it was envisioned as vs. the reality. And for those of us that see it what it is, and know the reality of how big the world will be compared to EQ...Well its probably not for us, or at least for a lot less time at full release. The number of zones is staggeringly small, the team is small. This game will have a fraction of EQs zones when it reaches release.

[shovelquest]

I didn't want to create a like EQ video thread because it would eventually die and im sure there are some other dead ones so i Just wanted to share this cool EQ lore video here.

This channel really helped me learn a lot about eq lore that is beyond my usual interest.

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