Which is more boring? Mage vs. Wiz

[Selene]

Hello,

What is your opinion on the more boring class between Mage and wizard?

I had taken a break from playing the game for a while but am getting back into playing about ~2 hours a week now casually. I don't have the same drive for playing this game (or any for that matter) as I did before, but before I had quit, I played a mage up to 56 and got bored. The gameplay just felt too repetitive and simple as a mage. Also had a 58 druid, 52 pally, and 51 monk (the druid and pally were fun, until they weren't).

Now I don't want to play any class that would require too much investment/attention/devotion to the game (such as an enchanter or shammy), so I figured I'd ask if Wizzy is more "fun" to play than mage since I do think it suits a casual, semi-afk player perfectly. Thank you

[sajbert]

IMHO both are as boring as it gets but Wizard has the best QoL with ports (easy to swap camp locations if one is taken and less time wasted moving around) and kill faster than any other class i the game and then you meditate /afk.

Wizards root and nuke until they can quad then they snare and quad until they're 60. They don't group. In raids they port and do token DPS except for a few fights like plane of fear where they PbAoE nuke and once they get dragonbane (a pain in the ass to get) can chuck peridots at dragon for better than useless damage per fight.

I don't spend DKP on my wiz because it doesn't change what it can do. All you want is some resist gear, HP gear, flux staff, sky neck and ring (ring sorta optional), epic, vp robe and vp staff, jboots and pegi cloak. If you're feeling fancy then mannarobe and/or manastone. Sure you could get Flowing Thought, Dain Ring IV and some aura of Battle items but it wouldn't really change what you can do.

[sajbert]

And I mean, if you got bored of your Druid there's no point rolling Wiz. It's like Druid with less options but the added benefit of better end-game raid nukes.

[Jimjam]

None of then are particularly challenging, but personally I’ve got furthest on a wizard, which suggests either it is least boring or easiest to pick back up again.

[Toxigen]

wiz can work on a semi afk playstyle if you can burn through your mana on a quad then afk while you med

[PatChapp]

If you don't like quadding on your druid you won't like wizard. Wizards are a bit better at it,but it's the same thing. Gather 4 mobs,kill take a break.

[Snaggles]

Every character I have outside my cleric (grouped extensively 56+) has been soloed semi-afk to the end. They were all pretty boring but the payoff level 60. My worst experiences have resulted the most fun/beneficial characters at the end.

If just going for an adventure I’d try a bard, whether you swarm, melee, or charm kill there is plenty of variety and running fast is as fun as EQ gets. It’s unlike any other class, in fact it doesn’t seem like the same game at all. Plus you need very little gear to make it work.

[Vivitron]

Hello,

What is your opinion on the more boring class between Mage and wizard?

I had taken a break from playing the game for a while but am getting back into playing about ~2 hours a week now casually. I don't have the same drive for playing this game (or any for that matter) as I did before, but before I had quit, I played a mage up to 56 and got bored. The gameplay just felt too repetitive and simple as a mage. Also had a 58 druid, 52 pally, and 51 monk (the druid and pally were fun, until they weren't).

Now I don't want to play any class that would require too much investment/attention/devotion to the game (such as an enchanter or shammy), so I figured I'd ask if Wizzy is more "fun" to play than mage since I do think it suits a casual, semi-afk player perfectly. Thank you

I think dynamic fun gameplay and not having to pay attention or be invested are contradictoy, or at least at high tension with eachother. My recommendation is to have options for either priority, and decide which option to take each time you log in. For example quad the druid if you don't want to pay much attention, but charm on the druid or start an enchanter/necromancer/shaman for when you want to be more engaged?

[bcbrown]

running fast is as fun as EQ gets.

It's such a fun feeling after you zone, start running, and then Selos kicks in with a drum. Feels like you're engaging warp drive.

Definitely not a boring low-attention class though.

[strongNpretty]

Hello,

What is your opinion on the more boring class between Mage and wizard?

I had taken a break from playing the game for a while but am getting back into playing about ~2 hours a week now casually. I don't have the same drive for playing this game (or any for that matter) as I did before, but before I had quit, I played a mage up to 56 and got bored. The gameplay just felt too repetitive and simple as a mage. Also had a 58 druid, 52 pally, and 51 monk (the druid and pally were fun, until they weren't).

Now I don't want to play any class that would require too much investment/attention/devotion to the game (such as an enchanter or shammy), so I figured I'd ask if Wizzy is more "fun" to play than mage since I do think it suits a casual, semi-afk player perfectly. Thank you

To answer this question directly- Wizard is more boring.

[Snaggles]

It's such a fun feeling after you zone, start running, and then Selos kicks in with a drum. Feels like you're engaging warp drive.

Definitely not a boring low-attention class though.

Totally, I have to be in the right mindset to play my bard. I like boring EQ, lol

People who have bard in their blood just operate at a difference pace.

[Selene]

And I mean, if you got bored of your Druid there's no point rolling Wiz. It's like Druid with less options but the added benefit of better end-game raid nukes.

I liked my druid a lot but the end game just feels a little underwhelming for me...I didn't quad much on my druid not because I found it boring, but mostly because I found charming and root rotting to be more fun at the time. Now I am looking for quick, casual play and Wizard seems more suited for that. I like nukes so that's why I am trying to just settle on Mage or Wizard for more casual play

Only problem is I would love to explore dungeons but neither can do it, and Monk just feels really boring

[Toxigen]

I liked my druid a lot but the end game just feels a little underwhelming for me...I didn't quad much on my druid not because I found it boring, but mostly because I found charming and root rotting to be more fun at the time. Now I am looking for quick, casual play and Wizard seems more suited for that. I like nukes so that's why I am trying to just settle on Mage or Wizard for more casual play

Only problem is I would love to explore dungeons but neither can do it, and Monk just feels really boring

time for an enchanter

[loramin]

Only problem is I would love to explore dungeons but neither can do it

Mages can explore dungeons, just not very efficiently. First you "explore" Permafrost for an extended period of time to collect several bags of root nets, and then you can explore any other dungeon you want ... until your nets run out. ;)

[sajbert]

Mages can explore dungeons, just not very efficiently. First you "explore" Permafrost for an extended period of time to collect several bags of root nets, and then you can explore any other dungeon you want ... until your nets run out. ;)

Even then anything with summon will give you a hard time.

Although I've been curious about what a BIS raid geared mage with Willsapper and Herbalist's shovel could do.

[Toxigen]

Even then anything with summon will give you a hard time.

Although I've been curious about what a BIS raid geared mage with Willsapper and Herbalist's shovel could do.

not much

mages are just garbage in general

[Balimon]

Mage's can dungeon crawl in classic at level no problem, it's really in Kunark (with the lack of any real power gain) that mages fall behind there. Honestly I think OP is going to be bored with both classes. Try something you've never played much before IMO.

[Balimon]

Even then anything with summon will give you a hard time.

Although I've been curious about what a BIS raid geared mage with Willsapper and Herbalist's shovel could do.

No one really bothers to BIS a mage anymore I think. That's a cool thought experiment though, it's possible that it would open up a lot of single pull camps. There would be enough HP to face tank for willsapper procs, or joust for procs. Crypt, KM, OS come to mind.

[Duik]

Imma wait for Rimitto Stilskin to pipe up.
That shit is gold.

Just dont say its name 3 times.

[Ripqozko]

as a main mage, mage sucks outside of raiding and even then those that dont quad are less useful which is like half at least.

[Selene]

Hmm, I'm trying out wizard right now and it's not too bad...i outfitted her with jboots and solist wand. It is nice and peaceful to play. After work it's just nice to do something simple and fun as blasting a mob down with nukes.

I've thought of enc a lot but just seems it requires too much attention. And although I enjoyed charming, I did it a lot on my druid already...after awhile it feels like i'm just watching two NPCs go at it while sitting on my bum, lol

do wizzies have an end game besides raiding? because my 56 mage seems to be good only at being a CoH/Mod rod bot, and I do not enjoy that...and yet I can't go out there and try neat places by myself very well, either

[Vexenu]

do wizzies have an end game besides raiding?
Hang around and port/TL people. Quad Seafuries/Wyverns. If you get really bored, invent random quad challenges for yourself like city guards or some dungeon mobs.

That's about it.

Wizard is the best class for playing EQ while minimizing your time actually playing EQ.

[PatChapp]

Wizard is a raiding class, or the best port bot.

[Troxx]

If you get your rocks off and find joy in watching your consistent dps output, mage is gonna be a lot more fun. I mean … compare that to a rogue where you’re really just pressing autoattack and smashing backstab as often as the situation allows?

I, for one, enjoy that aspect when playing a dps toon. As such, I never really got bored playing my mage. Even between casts you can oggle about your pet buzz-sawing more dps than most of the melee characters.

Now .. on raids? Mages are super boring. Nukes are resisted left and right and pets can cause more problems than they are worth.

[Toxigen]

do wizzies have an end game besides raiding?

Not sure I understand the question...raiding is the end game.

There is no more efficient way to gear up characters than being in a good raid guild. DKP earned is far more valuable than anything you could farm yourself, as long as your guild consistently gets targets. I know they all say "no selling raid gear" but let's face it everyone and their grandma has sold a Zlandi Heart / Manna Robe / etc before.

And Wizards are damn good in the raid scene, but you need Porlos Fury and Epic for sure...among a few other clicks to do a proper job.

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If you want a class to play outside of raids, make an enchanter. There is no situation where having an enchanter isn't optimal.

[Duik]

So if he wins does that make him the raining champion?

[Ripqozko]

Hmm, I'm trying out wizard right now and it's not too bad...i outfitted her with jboots and solist wand. It is nice and peaceful to play. After work it's just nice to do something simple and fun as blasting a mob down with nukes.

I've thought of enc a lot but just seems it requires too much attention. And although I enjoyed charming, I did it a lot on my druid already...after awhile it feels like i'm just watching two NPCs go at it while sitting on my bum, lol

do wizzies have an end game besides raiding? because my 56 mage seems to be good only at being a CoH/Mod rod bot, and I do not enjoy that...and yet I can't go out there and try neat places by myself very well, either

mage is only good at DAing, mages that dont quad are useless

[Toxigen]

mage is only good at DAing, mages that dont quad are useless

95% of new raiders aren't going to step up and just start DAing trains around either

they have to be willing to put in some time when targets aren't in window to learn, hopefully with some guidance from a pro

easier to just log on a cleric bot

[loramin]

mage is only good at DAing, mages that dont quad are useless

Because no one likes CoTHs, mod rods, and rip sticks :rolleyes:

[Ripqozko]

Because no one likes CoTHs, mod rods, and rip sticks :rolleyes:

coths are important but any random bot can do it, no one uses rods except vyemm, and everyone has wands. so yea only quads matter.

[Toxigen]

loramin you're out of your league here buddy

[Nibblewitz]

Wizards are more boring than mages in that their spells are impactful and resolve quickly.

[Snaggles]

I think mage players are always welcome vs reliance on bots. Maybe not a S-tier raider, but certainly the mid-range compared to so many others and if you have enough to easily kill the target mobility makes the game less painful.

Solo it’s fraught with issues mainly due to no CC outside root and snare clickies. No surprise there.

As a +1 DPS I would rather take one for killing blue cons than most melees. In seb a focused max level 60 water will rival EC monks and some rogues without taking damage. This doesn’t include the damage shield perk, clicking a burnt wood stave/velks boots or burning the blue bar.

I’ve beaten the mage epic and some ToV geared melees on silly fights like Xenvorash and Vindi…which is rather amusing.

Personally, these days I mostly play mine for train outs and killing Phinny or any fight like Eejag. I raided it a lot prior to having a cleric.

[loramin]

coths are important but any random bot can do it, no one uses rods except vyemm, and everyone has wands. so yea only quads matter.

It's been a year since I raided, but I was in a top raid guild and I definitely dropped mod rods and rip sticks on a regular basis. I highly doubt the game has changed fundamentally in a year.

[Ripqozko]

It's been a year since I raided, but I was in a top raid guild and I definitely dropped mod rods and rip sticks on a regular basis. I highly doubt the game has changed fundamentally in a year.

It has, I was in IB and rampage, you were in anonymous, it ain't the same. Sorry to disappoint you but I actually mage.

[Toxigen]

that was a lot longer than a year ago lol

what guild was loramin raiding with last year?

[Ripqozko]

that was a lot longer than a year ago lol

what guild was loramin raiding with last year?

Who knows somewhere on green, I don't think green would do it that different than riot. In the top end not the casual guilds without as much gear.

[loramin]

It has, I was in IB and rampage, you were in anonymous, it ain't the same. Sorry to disappoint you but I actually mage.

No, I was in Kingdom. Are they not serious enough for you? :rolleyes:

[Ripqozko]

No, I was in Kingdom. Are they not serious enough for you? :rolleyes:

Wouldn't know, green sucks. You were on blue and camped only geos.

You weren't seal team so you didn't do anything until after server died.

[Keebz]

It's been a while since I've run coth engage groups, but beefy mages can coth more bodies than shitter bot mages, which can mean a faster engage depending on your strategy. Maybe on blue all the mages are beefy now, idk, but lots of people suck at cothing even after training. The poor saps who actually main mages tend to not miss a beat.

Also, wizards need very little gear to kite things with flux staff and cast TL's, which is all I do on mine.

[Ripqozko]

It's been a while since I've run coth engage groups, but beefy mages can coth more bodies than shitter bot mages, which can mean a faster engage depending on your strategy. Maybe on blue all the mages are beefy now, idk, but lots of people suck at cothing even after training. The poor saps who actually main mages tend to not miss a beat.

Also, wizards need very little gear to kite things with flux staff and cast TL's, which is all I do on mine.

That's true too, main mages is always better for both da and cothing , gear helps with both. However I still think DAing is the most important job a mage can do since about 2018. We use to do more like coth pulling and tank swaps.

[Balimon]

That's true too, main mages is always better for both da and cothing , gear helps with both. However I still think DAing is the most important job a mage can do since about 2018. We use to do more like coth pulling and tank swaps.

Rip do you still gear up your mage? I'd be curious to see your magelo if you have one.

[Ripqozko]

Rip do you still gear up your mage? I'd be curious to see your magelo if you have one.

no its been same for at least 6 years, its good enough. i have enough to have 4.1k mana pool and went resists after quadding. my gear isnt your normal set for instance i wear draco shoulders when tech bis is sky. i purely raid on my mage tho i dont find groups fun on it, i play my alts then. i can make a magelo i guess sometime when not at work. Ramen is my main on blue.

[Ripqozko]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Ramen did quick import of my gear, its nothing special, def people with better gear. I havent really touched it since 2018, i just invest in my alts.

[sajbert]

Wouldn't know, green sucks. You were on blue and camped only geos.

You weren't seal team so you didn't do anything until after server died.

90% of seal team were just drones who didn't know better. They didn't get shit for helping and only served to help the 10% of neckbeards who gatekept loot through raid attendance requirements and a cryptic loot reserve system. Guild management couldn't care less about the 90%.

But yeah, I digress...

Being a Mage could probably be nice if you're a very active player and focused on making key raid plays with DA. However, wizards an also do some pulls if they wanted. I wonder if the sky neck could be used for some neat tricks.

[Balimon]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Ramen did quick import of my gear, its nothing special, def people with better gear. I havent really touched it since 2018, i just invest in my alts.

Thanks! It's pretty good gear I think, I was curious how you were gearing and I see the focus on the resists, very nice. That makes a lot of sense. I started boosting HP over mama once I hit 4k with buffs since I am using manna robe constantly.

[Ripqozko]

Thanks! It's pretty good gear I think, I was curious how you were gearing and I see the focus on the resists, very nice. That makes a lot of sense. I started boosting HP over mama once I hit 4k with buffs since I am using manna robe constantly.

There is def better geared folks than me on mages, i know linksfather and maladark are both BiS. I just didnt find it necessary for what i do on a mage. i enjoy being in a pull team or moving trash away more than i enjoy the basic stuff on a mage. Im not a huge bis everything person i rather have an army of geared alts which i have.

[Toxigen]

i rather have an army of geared alts which i have.

amen ramen

[Balimon]

amen ramen

Agreed, I stopped gearing my mage and focused on my pally.

[Jimjam]

Agreed, I stopped gearing my mage and focused on my pally.

Once you’ve filled your slots with sixteen hundred malachites what else gear is there really?

[Balimon]

Once you’ve filled your slots with sixteen hundred pearls what else gear is there really?

Fixed!

[Jimjam]

Fixed!

This got a good chuckle out of me :D

[Zuranthium]

no one uses rods except vyemm

Any smaller team will want rods, aka real raiding. Ofc, it's still not an interesting job

[Ripqozko]

Any smaller team will want rods, aka real raiding. Ofc, it's still not an interesting job

its not our fault red has 20 people, consider playing on a real server.

[Snaggles]

For smaller guilds, a mage tryhard making rods is very nice if you are down a cleric or two.

The flip side of course is having to ask a mage to make a rod when playing a cleric. :mad:

[Zuranthium]

consider playing on a real server

Yeah, you should. It's funny you think zerging non-stop on an inflated server with zero danger means something. That doesn't take skill and it's not representative of how the game is played in other instances.

[Ripqozko]

Yeah, you should. It's funny you think zerging non-stop on an inflated server with zero danger means something. That doesn't take skill and it's not representative of how the game is played in other instances.

Id be this upset too if my server had 20 people, I understand

[Zuranthium]

Stop saying nonsense, a guild on ANY server can choose to play with a non-zerg force, and I don't play on a 20 person server to begin with.

[Ripqozko]

Stop saying nonsense, a guild on ANY server can choose to play with a non-zerg force, and I don't play on a 20 person server to begin with.

its cool my red friend, i support you and your dead server.

[Toxigen]

Stop saying nonsense, a guild on ANY server can choose to play with a non-zerg force, and I don't play on a 20 person server to begin with.

sure, but GL getting any worthwhile targets

[Solist]

Any smaller team will want rods, aka real raiding. Ofc, it's still not an interesting job

As an expert on small man raiding, please share your secrets.

By that logic we should keep adding mages and dropping clerics for 20 man contested KT kills.

:confused:

[Zuranthium]

By that logic we should keep adding mages and dropping clerics for 20 man contested KT kills.

That's not the logic at all. Except for Plane of Sky during pre-Kunark, LOL. The discussion was what a Mage brings to a raid. Riqueefko said rods are not valuable, but they definitely are. If a Mage is all you have to play on a server, then you're going to be spamming rods. Or even if you have another char, then any extra time you have, you'll want to be casting some before needing to log over to the other char.

[Ripqozko]

That's not the logic at all. Except for Plane of Sky during pre-Kunark, LOL. The discussion was what a Mage brings to a raid. Riqueefko said rods are not valuable, but they definitely are. If a Mage is all you have to play on a server, then you're going to be spamming rods. Or even if you have another char, then any extra time you have, you'll want to be casting some before needing to log over to the other char.

Nah we never use rods in riot except a few encounters like aow and vyemm, I did the small raid thing before it was cool 8 years ago. Sorry it upsets you to hear we don't use them.

[Balimon]

That's not the logic at all. Except for Plane of Sky during pre-Kunark, LOL. The discussion was what a Mage brings to a raid. Riqueefko said rods are not valuable, but they definitely are. If a Mage is all you have to play on a server, then you're going to be spamming rods. Or even if you have another char, then any extra time you have, you'll want to be casting some before needing to log over to the other char.

He has a point though, no one is asking clerics to log for mages. A KT raid only needs 1 or 2 mages making rods, beyond that everyone should be on clerics, luckily there aren't many folks who actually main mages these days so that generally there is only one or two.

[Selene]

Not sure I understand the question...raiding is the end game.

And Wizards are damn good in the raid scene, but you need Porlos Fury and Epic for sure...among a few other clicks to do a proper job.

If you want a class to play outside of raids, make an enchanter. There is no situation where having an enchanter isn't optimal.

To answer your question: as a casual player, between mage and wiz, which class is more suitable in the end game? I used to raid a little bit on a casual guild with my druid (58) and pally (54) on green. My monk (52), mage (56), and wiz (now 34) on blue don't really raid much. My job often leaves me only 2-3 hours max of free time on weekdays so I may see myself as being, at best, a casual raider.

I just want to pick one toon amongst these that would allow me to enjoy the "end game," which I hope has more than just raiding. Because if it's raiding --- then I'll just invest in the wiz and play that class when time permits for raids. But if the end-game might also include things like duoing/trio-ing, or god-forbid grouping in a 6 man group, for adventures and certain interesting camps or quest kills, then maybe mage would be better?

What do you all spend time doing for the most part at the end game? Is it raiding or going on little adventures with a smaller group? Would any mage players care to comment --- is your 60 mage often welcomed for such grouping (and i mean not xp groups)? Thank you all and hope this makes sense...

[Toxigen]

I just want to pick one toon amongst these that would allow me to enjoy the "end game," which I hope has more than just raiding. Because if it's raiding --- then I'll just invest in the wiz and play that class when time permits for raids. But if the end-game might also include things like duoing/trio-ing, or god-forbid grouping in a 6 man group, for adventures and certain interesting camps or quest kills, then maybe mage would be better?


End game is basically raiding, farming high value targets (epics, plat camps, etc), and solo / duo artist stuff. I basically did all this to mega-twink my next alt...leveling was just more fun for me save for the first couple years of raiding when everything felt new / exciting.

Mage and Wiz are terrible outside of raiding, probably the two worst characters (ranger and druid honorable mentions). They just don't bring anything to small groups and they can't solo anything worthwhile.

If you're stuck with Mage and Wiz, I'd raid / gear the Wiz and just find chill spots to solo farm plat on the mage. The mage will be the char you would use in single group content with friends. Find an enc + cleric duo and beg them to take you along, thats your ideal trio.

Chip away at the Wiz epic...and Porlos Fury if your guild does ToV.

[loramin]

Mage and Wiz are terrible outside of raiding, probably the two worst characters (ranger and druid honorable mentions). They just don't bring anything to small groups and they can't solo anything worthwhile.

That's an inaccurate comparison: Mages are great group/sustained DPS (maybe not as great as a Rogue, but still very good). Wizards just aren't.

And while you're correct about soloing, there are things that can only be duo-ed or trio-ed with a Mage (eg. General in Overthere). Maybe not a lot, but I don't know of anything that requires a Wizard.

[Ripqozko]

That's an inaccurate comparison: Mages are great group/sustained DPS (maybe not as great as a Rogue, but still very good). Wizards just aren't.

And while you're correct about soloing, there are things that can only be duo-ed or trio-ed with a Mage (eg. General in Overthere). Maybe not a lot, but I don't know of anything that requires a Wizard.

wizards in 2024 have sustained dps with rend robe (54dps) and can provide cc. in some groups thats prob better.

[Insaiyan]

I think, if you aren’t farming cash camps and holding a monopoly on some camp for drops, the “end game” is raiding on any toon and gaining DKP to twink alts and then enjoying the leveling experience all over again but with more power. Correct me if I’m wrong but I feel as if the majority does this. Say you get a mage to raid level, and as players here have said you’re useless or some such. The guild will just ask you to log into a guild cleric or rogue and you’ll raid on that, still earn full DKP and twink alts. Or you could just say fuck it and play your own toon. If your class feels “useless” or “worthless” at end game you’ll have options if you’re in a large guild and have built a reputation. Play what’s fun

[sajbert]

wizards in 2024 have sustained dps with rend robe (54dps) and can provide cc. in some groups thats prob better.

Nobody cares about that. I've gotten stonewalled by groups of trash geared players with my 60 VP robed wiz, even after initially inviting me before realizing I was a wiz.

[Ripqozko]

Nobody cares about that. I've gotten stonewalled by groups of trash geared players with my 60 VP robed wiz, even after initially inviting me before realizing I was a wiz.

sorry you dont got group, consider getting friends

[Jimjam]

Nobody cares about that. I've gotten stonewalled by groups of trash geared players with my 60 VP robed wiz, even after initially inviting me before realizing I was a wiz.

Gotta gear to look like an enc. my fave trick is to have an enc boon me then approach a group lfg. Guaranteed invite. Just keep rooting and stunning they suspect nothing. Throw out the occasional flaming sword cos people think that is enc for some reason. Don’t forget to reclaim that energy tho!

[Zuranthium]

wizards in 2024 have sustained dps with rend robe (54dps)

Rend Robe is not 54 DPS most of the time. Resists reduce that number drastically.

Nah we never use rods in riot

That's completely irrelevant. Maybe try to stop making so many worthless posts all the time.

The mathematics of modrods make no sense compared to just having that person on a cleric. Even a level 50 cleric.

You're assuming there are an infinite number of clerics to use.

You're also wrong in the first place. A 60 Mage casting mod rods during a fight is providing the Cleric chain more mana than simply adding a 50 Cleric to the chain. The Mage is also adding DPS with their pet, so really even compared to adding a 60 Cleric to the chain, the Mage is contributing more.

PLUS, mod rods are something that can be pre-cast before a fight when there's time. Having a Mage at a raid is more beneficial than simply having another Cleric instead, assuming you already have enough Clerics to do a sufficient C-heal chain for the tank to not die between each C-heal landing.

[Toxigen]

You're assuming there are an infinite number of clerics to use.

You're also wrong in the first place. A 60 Mage casting mod rods during a fight is providing the Cleric chain more mana than simply adding a 50 Cleric to the chain. The Mage is also adding DPS with their pet, so really even compared to adding a 60 Cleric to the chain, the Mage is contributing more.

PLUS, mod rods are something that can be pre-cast before a fight when there's time. Having a Mage at a raid is more beneficial than simply having another Cleric instead, assuming you already have enough Clerics to do a sufficient C-heal chain for the tank to not die between each C-heal landing.

bro, every post you make trying to talk about the raid scene just proves further you have no idea what you're talking about

lmao...mage pets

"You're out of your element, Donny!"

[Ripqozko]

bro, every post you make trying to talk about the raid scene just proves further you have no idea what you're talking about

lmao...mage pets

"You're out of your element, Donny!"

ehh i give up he can live in fantasy world on red and i will continue raiding on my mage quadding away.

[loramin]

What a typical P99 discussion: someone makes a bunch of valid points, and a single kind of weird one ... and the brainless responses just fixate on that weird point while ignoring all the valid points.

[Ripqozko]

What a typical P99 discussion: someone makes a bunch of valid points, and a single kind of weird one ... and the brainless responses just fixate on that weird point while ignoring all the valid points.

i mean you also think rods and coths is most important part, coths are needed but if ya maining a mage you should be quadding unless you are in a casual guild.

[Zuranthium]

bro, every post you make trying to talk about the raid scene just proves further you have no idea what you're talking about

Nope that's you, completely ignoring the math and mechanics. You are wrong so frequently and constantly act like the singular way you play the game is best, when it's either less efficient or not how the game has to played.

lmao...mage pets

They do DPS. There is nothing to "lmao" about.

[enjchanter]

As a fesh staff owner, the proc is highly overrated


I have a 60 wiz and a 60 epic mage

I haven't logged in the wizard since level 44 (pras shadol)
I use the mage all the time

[Jimjam]

Wiz amazing for some content.
Mag amazing for some content.

None of that content involves modrods or dps for either class.

Idk AoE is acceptable dps.

[Zuranthium]

Typical crazy talk from Solist.

Wizard on any server where DPS-racing is the rule are amazing for exactly that purpose on key targets. Otherwise, it's still their short-term DPS that makes them relevant for raid targets, aside from ports. And ofc for PvP.

Mage unquestionably do amazing DPS on a lot of content, especially compared to what others are doing pre-Kunark or for a starter character.

[Wakanda]

Wizard is the only class I've ever played completely AFK. I would go out and dump my entire mana bar, get 20% of my level, and then go outside and work on my garden or mow the yard, and come back and dump my mana again. It felt really cool and like I was barely playing the game, while still easily leveling a character.

I think Dark Elf is OP for Wizard because of this. Being able to hide while you AFK is really nice. Also even if you aren't afk it's really nice because you don't have to waste mana killing random greens that aggro'd you. Magicians and necromancers don't have to worry about this as much because their pet can kill the green for them, but Wizards don't have that luxury.

Also people saying that Wizard is boring need to keep in mind that quad kiting is fun and unique, they get some cool clicky nukes that make the class more fun (everyone should get a solist's icy wand asap), and the fact that you can teleport anywhere you want is actually pretty fun. Like I log on some characters, and get bored and log off because I don't feel like riding a boat or running across 6 zones to check something out. With Wizard you don't have to worry about that as much. Also I've never raided as a wizard, but being a major raid dps sounds like fun to me, lol.

Magician... is probably fun though. Having a badass pet and being able to solo a lot of stuff does seem cool, don't get me wrong, but I can do the same thing on a Necromancer much easier. Magician is basically a poor man's necromancer and summon bot. Wizard is at least a little bit more unique because they can teleport around, quad kite, play completely afk, still have major appeal to raids etc. I remember when green was new one of my wizard friends got hired by a guild just to teleport people to plane of hate. They also got a ton of free loot.. since no wizards, lol.

[Toxigen]

a mage isnt soloing shit that isnt trash farm

[Zuranthium]

Mage can solo plenty of difficult NPC's when chain petting is working properly. They need to fix the aggro dump bug.

the fact that you can teleport anywhere you want is actually pretty fun. Like I log on some characters, and get bored and log off because I don't feel like riding a boat or running across 6 zones to check something out. With Wizard you don't have to worry about that as much.

It's fun on a PvP server. Not on a PvE server without DPS racing existing IMO, because you can't actually do much solo and nobody needs a Wizard for a group. Wizards contribute less to a group than any other class most of the time, it feels bad to play.

[wuanahto]

Wizard soloing and small grouping more boring
Mage in raids is boring

[Jimjam]

Mage is way less boring in raid. Not cos ur constantly cycling consumables, nor summoning forces. Not even for ‘quadding’, whatever that means.

Its fun cos raid leaders are shouty sperg lords so you can send them off the handle by daring to summon a pet and sending it to dps a mob.

[Snaggles]

“I figured I'd ask if Wizzy is more "fun" to play than mage since I do think it suits a casual, semi-afk player perfectly. Thank you”

OP isn’t talk about quad-DA or wizard flurry kiting.
I know most games are supposed to be fun from start to finish but EQ isn’t.

In a pinch, mages are more fun to group with. Soloing is a worse since you don’t quad. You can find a single spawn and squat it to 60. Outside raiding the mage is a much better rounded class (outside ports).

At 60 the mage is a pretty useful green farmer or +1 group player. The wiz with banes is a good raider but otherwise on Lure targets is a mana-limited rogue that can port. With VP or Velk clickies they are more well rounded. Its still easier to get a water staff for a mage off Phinny. Neither are capable of killing much solo at 60.

In general, most of the most fun/useful classes are horrible to grind to 60 but people do it for the payoff. The OP should keep pushing the Druid to 60 and figure out how to get an epic. Or pick an enchanter or necro is looking for a fun and capable experience on the cheap.

[loramin]

Mage can solo plenty of difficult NPC's when chain petting is working properly. They need to fix the aggro dump bug.


While I would love to see that bug fixed, you can still chain pretty reliably with the earth and epic pets.

The earth pet will proc a root fast enough (regardless of agro), and the epic pet will proc a stun in about the same time. Air might work also, but I don't use it.

If you do it right (summon a new pet with existing pet, then /pet get lost at the last second before the new pet arrives), the worst case scenario is that you'll take a hit or two before the proc goes off ... but that's what Phantom Armor is for ;)

The only annoying part is trying to /pet get lost at the correct moment. With server lag if you do it it too late your second pet won't get summoned (leaving you with no pet and a mob that's breaking root/stun any second ... a likely death unless you can run), but if you do it too early you waste a lot of your first pet's life.

[Toxigen]

you still aint doing shit with a mage lol

[Selene]

“I figured I'd ask if Wizzy is more "fun" to play than mage since I do think it suits a casual, semi-afk player perfectly. Thank you”

In general, most of the most fun/useful classes are horrible to grind to 60 but people do it for the payoff. The OP should keep pushing the Druid to 60 and figure out how to get an epic. Or pick an enchanter or necro is looking for a fun and capable experience on the cheap.

I did get the epic on my druid at 52, she's 58 now, but since the druid is not a big player nor all that fun on raids, nor is it desired in groups at 60, nor is it a great solo artist/dungeon crawler, I just don't see the point in leveling her to 60.

At least with wizard at 60 I can raid and contribute...and nukes are just my thing. I know charming is way more powerful and torpor+dot is way more powerful, but I don't like the playing styles of either enc or shm.

I guess I will keep leveling my wiz to 60 since i like quadding on her (for some odd reason i cant explain, i just dont find quadding as fun on a druid) and then also level up my mage from 56 to 60 so i can find groups with people.

i'll have to decide which class to level to 60 between the monk and pally as my solo artist/dungeon crawler, but monk is so dry and boring to me so maybe i'll stick with pally to round it all out...

[enjchanter]

i really wish there was content i could do with my mage cuz i actually do like it alot. I play it all the time as DS and its great for that but theres basically no other group that would take a 60 epic mage that isnt just me helping an LCY group level or something

[Snaggles]

I did get the epic on my druid at 52, she's 58 now, but since the druid is not a big player nor all that fun on raids, nor is it desired in groups at 60, nor is it a great solo artist/dungeon crawler, I just don't see the point in leveling her to 60.

At least with wizard at 60 I can raid and contribute...and nukes are just my thing. I know charming is way more powerful and torpor+dot is way more powerful, but I don't like the playing styles of either enc or shm.

I guess I will keep leveling my wiz to 60 since i like quadding on her (for some odd reason i cant explain, i just dont find quadding as fun on a druid) and then also level up my mage from 56 to 60 so i can find groups with people.

i'll have to decide which class to level to 60 between the monk and pally as my solo artist/dungeon crawler, but monk is so dry and boring to me so maybe i'll stick with pally to round it all out...

I didn’t realize raiding was a consideration. Wizards are amazing for raiding. All the mobility of a Druid but you can actually do damage to stuff.

As a casual raider, wiz all the way. You will be first on scene and able to bail whenever you want.

Outside raiding besides helping burn down low hp stuff they are a pretty limited group or solo class.

A knight is a lot of fun, as is a ranger. They are server favorites to gear out on the side :).