Is Red fun?

[Tomdottington]

Hey new player here thinking about starting a toon on Red.

[loramin]

I think Red's population itself answers the question of whether it's fun.

Is it fun for most people? No: the low population numbers prove it.

Is it fun for a select group? Yes: if it wasn't, Red's pop would be 0.

[magnetaress]

Yes

[Zuranthium]

Red is the most fun server, there's a large exp bonus that also incentivizes grouping (start on the server with others), camps are open, and the bit of extra danger that's present makes things more exciting. It's essentially a PVE server at this point, so all the people who are scared of PVP shouldn't be.

Is it fun for most people? No: the low population numbers prove it.

That doesn't "prove it".

[Tomdottington]

I also tried Sunday Night PvP. It's Titanium only now and uses p99 Spell files and functions perfectly. They just added it to a VPS recently. Completely classic P99 melee/Spells resists/files. No downloading necessary!

Also their Discord is https://discord.gg/khEJqUSpyp

[Imago]

I also tried Sunday Night PvP. It's Titanium only now and uses p99 Spell files and functions perfectly. They just added it to a VPS recently. Completely classic P99 melee/Spells resists/files. No downloading necessary!

Also their Discord is https://discord.gg/khEJqUSpyp

The undead rises once again

[Duik]

No.

[Toxigen]

i love the argument pro red people make

camps are open!

yeah no shit

[Zuranthium]

You're not saying anything. Where is another server with p99 coding where camps are open? There isn't one, therefore it's a benefit of Red server.

[loramin]

Is it fun for most people? No: the low population numbers prove it.

That doesn't "prove it".

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[Salaryman]

these nerds who play pve have an empty server too, they just have 50 chars afk in tunnel/ on raid targets instead of 5.

[Gustoo]

That's kinda true. Not exactly true but feels kinda true. There's a good amount of traditional players there. Not super efficient farming machines. Some people just questing. The game is all there for you to play it the way you enjoy.

I'm glad for these servers I just wish a little bit of experimental actions could be taken on red.

For example. Re introduce 'legacy items' of every kind. It evens the playing field and gives people stuff to go for. The implementation can be custom, like it's on an unannounced random 'boss' NPC in any dungeon for a week or two.

For a while there is pvp while people are just trying to kill a boss mob and find where the item drops cuz it won't be a 100 percent drop rate. But the same drop rate as the manastone which is a traditional hyper battleground pvp battleground.

Then there will be battle to hold down the identified camp.

There's no item loot but the stakes of battle is the loot of the item. There is no kill stealing whatever group does the most damage to the mob gets to loot it.

It's something to do and could give people a reason to log in.

Just dreaming.

[Toxigen]

there is no economy, GL trying to find an item you really need

[Jimjam]

WTB Runed Blade

[magnetaress]

there is no economy, GL trying to find an item you really need

Want.

Ftfy

[Salaryman]

there is no economy, GL trying to find an item you really need

another cringosaurus rex post from the guy with an avatar thats making facial expressions that would get him kicked out of any real life situation.

I have been farming paineel gaurds for over a year and bought almost every item a ranger can get. theres more items avaialble on red then the other servers because they actualy have a use other then killing npcs( no skill involved in that)

[Swish]

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[magnetaress]

I really enjoyed my time on red. If you enjoy solo stuff and just random adventure without max gear. It's probably amazing r now

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

More people monitor the forums than login

[Gustoo]

Cuz we keep checking for new server.

[Tomdottington]

Did you guys know Golem wands are actually instant cast so Red is custom anyway. Should bows be machine gun dmg? Should buffs mean nothing if some neck beard farms Golem Wands? Should Bards actually be mandatory so everyone can have 20X run speed?

The thing with Classic PVP is people never gamed like they do now. It was new, people were experiencing everything and played to their personal style of D&D type settings.

To match Classic Eq PVP feel, you need to break some of the mechanics that exist, such as Selos/Bows/Golem wands/Insta clickies PVP etc etc. They never anticipated it to be taken to this level of competitiveness?

I played A Budding Classic EQpvp and noticed CT was restored perfectly, all mob placement, rubicite, totemic helm, all nameds/mobs are perfect bang on. Titanium with p99 files only no downloads necessary people should try it out with gear/50 during alpha.

[Tomdottington]

It's like DOTA also in a way, once you reach a certain MMR you're with a bunch of nerds who watch youtube pros and "esports lol" shit. So if you don't pick the meta, or fairly close you eat 4 reports by south americans all day.

I was going pos 5 Lone druid, winning lanes by harassing, then going rat build and just ending (aghs/deso/mask of madness type shit) I went like 15-0? Or something dumb, but I ate 4 reports every game and people would cry and give up and like not play. Eventually I went LP and just stopped doing it, but my win rate was 100% with that strat lol.

It's just a different era and I don't think big Brad thought some nerd would do whatever it takes to win elf sim.

[Salaryman]

It's like DOTA also in a way, once you reach a certain MMR you're with a bunch of nerds who watch youtube pros and "esports lol" shit. So if you don't pick the meta, or fairly close you eat 4 reports by south americans all day.

I was going pos 5 Lone druid, winning lanes by harassing, then going rat build and just ending (aghs/deso/mask of madness type shit) I went like 15-0? Or something dumb, but I ate 4 reports every game and people would cry and give up and like not play. Eventually I went LP and just stopped doing it, but my win rate was 100% with that strat lol.

It's just a different era and I don't think big Brad thought some nerd would do whatever it takes to win elf sim.

u owe me fungi aon

[Toxigen]

u owe me fungi aon

sorry you dont got fungi aon, hope this helps

[Jazzy]

Even when red had a semi decent pop, being euro it was often quiet (like it must be 24/7 currently)

Was always something free to farm or camp. Dream for anyone sick of blue , green, whatever

[Wakanda]

It was boring for me. I never saw any PVP, which is prob good since I wasn’t a twink. The experience was fast, but it felt pointless. It felt like playing EverQuest in single player offline mode.

[Vexenu]

I'm honestly surprised you don't see more long term Blue/Green players messing around on Red. With the grouping XP bonus you can level into the 50s in a few weeks of casual play. It's the perfect environment to challenge yourself on content with limited resources and a small number of players. Pure Everquest. It boggles my mind that people would rather zerg raid with 50+ other people to accumulate DKP to gear out their 10th alt instead.

[Duik]

Better dead than red.

[Gustoo]

I decided that red is fun after all. Did some research.

[Tomdottington]

VZTZ reborn is the future, VPS upgraded to 8 gigs memory, 80 zones static loaded, no dynamic zones, Knuckle has gone through and tested all the content, we got ourselves a box boys. Just need the people to believe.

[Zuranthium]

I'm honestly surprised you don't see more long term Blue/Green players messing around on Red. With the grouping XP bonus you can level into the 50s in a few weeks of casual play. It's the perfect environment to challenge yourself on content with limited resources and a small number of players. Pure Everquest.

Yeah, way more people should get off the empty rat race of the PvE servers, with those horrendous timesinks and limited gameplay.

There's nothing to be scared about with regards to PvP, because it barely happens anyway. But it does add an extra level of suspense and intrigue to the game, which is great. Even if someone does consider it to be an "inconvenience", the very low rate that it happens is easily preferably to the massive inconveniences that exist on the other servers.

Start on the server with another player or a guild, have great fun. There's global /ooc chat too, so nobody is ever alone in game anyway. Plenty of times on the PvE servers, you'll be all alone in zone and it feels much more empty, especially with the populations on those servers these days.

[enjchanter]

I tried leveling on red multiple times.

I have a 50 warrior, 41 necro and 17 enc

I had to completely quit the warrior because the fungi I borrowed got returned and I only made it thru my 40s because of some random PL session in CoM. Couldn't ever find a group after that.

We tried coming back with a 4man leveling group and we got 1v4'd by some aon sk twink in Mistmoore, that was our last session

I tried a 3rd time where I made an enc and even tried to make my own little guild. 1 person was interested and he never logged in again.

Even as someone who's main game content is wow arena and an actual pvp enjoyer, the very tiny amount of pvp I participated in on red was stupid because it's apparently either someone who severely out gears you or you get attacked while you're fighting already. And since eq is a dogshit game at baseline , if someone kills you you still have to CR and there's no DAP so get fucked if you died on another continent

[Zuranthium]

Why would you go to another continent and not bind. Why would you stop playing because you died once. You already leveled faster thanks to the bonus on Red, you're still ahead by a long way. Just get your stuff and keep going. Whoever the dumb twink was, that's not common and you can quickly get out of level range of them.

[Salaryman]

Why would you go to another continent and not bind. Why would you stop playing because you died once. You already leveled faster thanks to the bonus on Red, you're still ahead by a long way. Just get your stuff and keep going. Whoever the dumb twink was, that's not common and you can quickly get out of level range of them.

Becasue theyre not like us

[Infectious]

Becasue theyre not like us

Played a raid geared sk and had like 2 kills and 100+ deaths when there was a leader board. Get your slow ass out this conversation.

[Salaryman]

Played a raid geared sk and had like 2 kills and 100+ deaths when there was a leader board. Get your slow ass out this conversation.

ME: Im the number #1 PVPER in all of EverQuest History, and I never had any raid l00t from Velious other than Velium encrusted Gauntlets, Hackle hammer and Pauldrols of ferocity..

you: need cheats to kill dragons, troll bug forums and dont even play.

[enjchanter]

Why would you go to another continent and not bind. Why would you stop playing because you died once. You already leveled faster thanks to the bonus on Red, you're still ahead by a long way. Just get your stuff and keep going. Whoever the dumb twink was, that's not common and you can quickly get out of level range of them.

My static group I was playing with disbanded after that night so that was a huge deterrent to continuing.

I also wasn't able to continue leveling on my warrior because there was literally not a single person around to group with and I couldn't solo anything on a warrior with like 600p worth of gear. Like I said, I only made it to 40ish because l borrowed a fungi and I only made to50 because a of free aoe PL I happened upon. So it's not like I was thriving by any means

Real talk , I'm still not even opposed to playing red. I still think it'd be cool if I was still interested in this game. But when the server pop is like 22 ppl it just feels kinda disingenuous to say stuff like "camps are always open" and "xp is so much faster!" Because while those things are true, if no one is playing then why wouldn't I just go play retail eq , atleast there I can play completely alone but have a merc help me out

Need a big time red player to give me the hook up of a lifetime

[Knuckle]

My static group I was playing with disbanded after that night so that was a huge deterrent to continuing.

I also wasn't able to continue leveling on my warrior because there was literally not a single person around to group with and I couldn't solo anything on a warrior with like 600p worth of gear. Like I said, I only made it to 40ish because l borrowed a fungi and I only made to50 because a of free aoe PL I happened upon. So it's not like I was thriving by any means

Real talk , I'm still not even opposed to playing red. I still think it'd be cool if I was still interested in this game. But when the server pop is like 22 ppl it just feels kinda disingenuous to say stuff like "camps are always open" and "xp is so much faster!" Because while those things are true, if no one is playing then why wouldn't I just go play retail eq , atleast there I can play completely alone but have a merc help me out

Need a big time red player to give me the hook up of a lifetime

Red would still be legit, classic, pvp museum server with 2 boxxing enabled. I am not sure why they never put a green flag up for it. Population would quadruple overnight. I have a 57 rogue rotting on red that I'll probably log into once a year just to remember what gear I had on him but there's no point to trying to do anything because a rogue cant solo with any type of efficiency, 1 box kills melees on low pop.

[Salaryman]

Red would still be legit, classic, pvp museum server with 2 boxxing enabled. I am not sure why they never put a green flag up for it. Population would quadruple overnight. I have a 57 rogue rotting on red that I'll probably log into once a year just to remember what gear I had on him but there's no point to trying to do anything because a rogue cant solo with any type of efficiency, 1 box kills melees on low pop.

Why did you create a rogue if you new they couldnt solo?

[Salaryman]

My static group I was playing with disbanded after that night so that was a huge deterrent to continuing.

I also wasn't able to continue leveling on my warrior because there was literally not a single person around to group with and I couldn't solo anything on a warrior with like 600p worth of gear. Like I said, I only made it to 40ish because l borrowed a fungi and I only made to50 because a of free aoe PL I happened upon. So it's not like I was thriving by any means

Real talk , I'm still not even opposed to playing red. I still think it'd be cool if I was still interested in this game. But when the server pop is like 22 ppl it just feels kinda disingenuous to say stuff like "camps are always open" and "xp is so much faster!" Because while those things are true, if no one is playing then why wouldn't I just go play retail eq , atleast there I can play completely alone but have a merc help me out

Need a big time red player to give me the hook up of a lifetime

Your "static group" is filled with cowards, you should stop hangin with them, show me your friends and ill show you your future.

[Zuranthium]

I wasn't able to continue leveling on my warrior because there was literally not a single person around to group with and I couldn't solo anything on a warrior with like 600p worth of gear

Real talk , I'm still not even opposed to playing red. I still think it'd be cool if I was still interested in this game. But when the server pop is like 22 ppl it just feels kinda disingenuous to say stuff like "camps are always open" and "xp is so much faster!" Because while those things are true, if no one is playing then why wouldn't I just go play retail eq , atleast there I can play completely alone but have a merc help me out

Need a big time red player to give me the hook up of a lifetime

Retail EQ is garbage so that's why. There were 50 online last night when I looked at the front page. But yeah it sucks to solo as a melee without gear.

Should play a caster and solo while trying to get a group for your Warrior. Constantly message anyone that's online on Red to group up whenever you're playing, along with using the global /ooc chat to form, and keep asking around for others to join the server. It takes some effort but yeah, if I wanted to play p99, Red is the best server. No point wasting time with Green/Blue, when they are far from what Classic EQ is supposed to be and involve a lot of top-heavy crowding. At least with Red there is far less time waste happening, and a level of dynamic gameplay that helps to make the game feel more alive (being aware of your surroundings, since it's possible someone can unexpectedly attack).

[Duik]

If red is so good you should be literally tripping over the corpses of your vanquished enemies.
Like really dude, you are trying to sell a dog to a bunch of cat ladies.
Also, if your pvp skills on this forum are anything to go by you should be tripping over your own corpses pretty often as well.

[Zuranthium]

If red is so good you should be literally tripping over the corpses of your vanquished enemies

You're missing the point, like usual.

[enjchanter]

I will log on to my red enchanter tonight

[Tomdottington]

https://i.postimg.cc/QxtGBnNs/VZTZ.png (https://postimages.org/)

VZTZ Reborn Classic EQ PVP.

Pets are now fully Classic, Melee, Spells/Resists completely p99 quality. Currently testing content, there won't be any wipes there's nothing major that's broken. Long term Classic. P99 spell files/Titanium. No Downloads, come try it out! 2 Box, Red99 Mechanics/quality with the style of VZTZ.

[Tomdottington]

EQEMU is dead don't insult Red players for keeping the dream alive, I would play I just don't care for Velious raiding commitment.

If you are playing a Nostalgia old game people should work together to make these projects fun and try to promote more people playing IMHO.

[Duik]

Waa. Waa. Waa.

[Estrang87]

Why did you create a rogue if you new they couldnt solo?

Well its a long story but i quit red at 35 on my necro when they nerfed dot dmg on moving targets. Silly reason but just enough of an excuse for me at the time, was burnt out after having grinded many yeara of classic pvp servers prior. Anyway one of my former guildmates contacted me on facebook and asked me to play a melee in one of the red botb years into server. I agreed and won him a title. He loaned me a fungi and MQ’d rogue epic for me at level 10(was possible at time). I breezed to like 55 and stopped playing he had to take the fungi back at some point.

[shovelquest]

Is prison fun?

PVP servers in everquest tend to be like prisons.

Kick someone's ass on the first day, or become some guilds bitch.

[Tomdottington]

VZTZ Reborn is focusing on immersion first and foremost. I want to tickle peoples nostalgia nerve. Everything is down stream from nostalgia.

Some of the stuff we have been working on.

- Proper Fog/color rate for Feerrot, Tox, Nek, Sola Gfay etc etc. Rain chance is increased in Feerrott, Snow chance increased in Everfrost.

- Runnyeye 2.0 reverted to 1.0. Goblin_warlord, Goblin_king etc, Dazed goblins. Everything is 1.0 Hate, Fear. Cazic_Thule 1.0 with Rubicite.

- Qeynos Female model(gypsy model) fixed Nilbog had that issue in 2008 btw.

- Adding newb robes to the caster guilds/going through them and matching them to p99.

Nothing custom, everything classic, the vision is ultimately Red99 quality with accelerated EXP rate/2 box. VPS paid for a year. No dynamic zones all 80 zones loaded permanently. No seasons, no wipes. Titanium/p99 files works fine no downloads. VZTZ Reborn come check it out.


https://discord.gg/wTsXpYUFXc

[Tomdottington]

EMU has been done too many times, people have done the grind 20-30-40-50??? times now?

I mean I get it. This box isn't about completing the grind, or downing Nagafen or end game content.

I really want to get the *feel* of EQ down, where people can come on and get that nostalgia kick from a real classic feeling box, some music maybe, all zones feel right.

I've played so many garage boxes that just don't *feel* like everquest and that's really what I'm trying to do right.

[Tomdottington]

Huge shout out for TAKP being released, our Cazicthule 1.0 Zone w/ Rubicite, Runnyeye 1.0, Inny/ct god 1.0, Lavastorm models, zone clip/fog rates, I mean so much has been taken from them and I really appreciate it.

We are a Pudge stitched together of PEQ and TAKP, with some real developer shit done thanks to Bamzal, he's fixing the Gypsies in this current patch which is all coding source compiling etc, he did the leaderboard, classic skeleton models classic spell gems, classic wolves, classic spell animations. Classic Melee code due to Bamz, p99 spells so we don't have to have client downloads etc.

[Tomdottington]

This is open source / crowd source project too, I'll send anyone the DB if they want. That being said you need the proper server/binaries to use the leaderboard/classic skeletons and other features so unless you know that end just fyi. But it has classic CT rebuilt Lavastorm, rebuilt Nek, all new objects removed, proper classic spells/resists, runnyeye 1.0 etc. Absolutely tons of DB work.

Begging for Red 2.0 isn't the solution, blue manages multiple high pop servers, we now have a great coder/dev. Community needs to be built from the ground up.