Requesting Pro Ench Feedback: Best 4th class?

[Snaggles]

Your makeup:

1. Ench
2. Ench
3. Cleric
4. ?

This is for low-man group content with some stunt kills.

[Snaggles]

Please don’t vote if you aren’t an enchanter who does high end camp stuff. I don’t know much and am not putting my thumb on the scale for my favorite. Thanks!

[PatChapp]

Depends,with 2 enchanters you aren't lacking dps at all.
Really not much a 3rd enchanter adds, I do royals a lot and sometimes a 3rd charm pet actually winds up killing the king too fast,and he ch's before he's sieved out of mana.

Realistically it's still probably enchanter.

[Snaggles]

TBH and I’m not voting, but if you could have four Ench’s it’s also not too bad if people have a cleric camped.

Anyways, ty for the feedback. I’m genuinely curious what real Ench’s think.

[Troxx]

You are not interested from a cleric’s perspective? They are also in this group …

Additionally are they all starting from level 1 and having a go at it or just squishing 4 level 60s together? Do you want it to be limited to only ever this 4 caster setup? (Ie not logging in alts etc). Lack of specificity is what has caused some headaches in this thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923

Please define more clearly

[Snaggles]

Sorry, no intention to censor views.
I have typically played a backup to enchanters but do not have one myself. Usually this is a mage, Druid, shaman, or cleric (my favorite).

I’d say you should keep the leveling together path in mind but weigh it mostly on end performance. After all, getting to 60 is not hard in any group.

Do as you wish :). I won’t vote simply to avoid biasing my own poll.

[Toxigen]

stunt kills include hate?

if so, wizard

[Duik]

There are no pockets in dresses.

[Surpent]

Shaman and it isn't close. Torpor tank/malo/slow... would also replace the cleric because they're doing nothing in all caster group with enchanters.

[PatChapp]

Shaman and it isn't close. Torpor tank/malo/slow... would also replace the cleric because they're doing nothing in all caster group with enchanters.

Some stuff requires ch on pets,cleric is required

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Some stuff requires ch on pets,cleric is required

Can you name a camp?

Multiple camp names would be nice if you have them.

[spoil]

solo

[cyxthryth]

I can name multiple camps that need a Shaman.

Please enlighten us!

Can you name a camp?

Multiple camp names would be nice if you have them.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please ignore cyxthryth. He is coming from a different thread to troll and bloat this one. I would advise not to engage with him further, as he will not accept any answer, or read the answers. He will play word games as well, which is what he is doing with that quote. I specifically did not use the word "required", which is what he is trying to claim.

EDIT: You can see his next post is playing word games, as I predicted. The question was answered already in the other thead he is referring to, where the word "need" is not being used as "required". As I said, he doesn't read answers or accept them.

Responding to him further will just bloat the thread with his circular posting. I would advise not to engage.

[cyxthryth]

Please ignore cyxthryth. He is coming from a different thread to troll and bloat this one. I would advise not to engage with him further, as he will not accept any answer, or read the answers. He will play word games as well, which is what he is doing with that quote. I specifically did not use the word "required", which is what he is trying to claim.

I have made zero claims that you used the word "required", I provided direct quotes.
Who is playing word games exactly?

I can name multiple camps that need a Shaman.

Can you name a camp?

Multiple camp names would be nice if you have them.

[cyxthryth]

EDIT: You can see his next post is playing word games, as I predicted. The question was answered already in the other thead he is referring to, where the word "need" is not being used as "required"

You can see DeathsSilkyMist posted that he could name multiple camps that need a Shaman, and when asked to list those camps he just starts "playing word games" (and - seemingly/apparently - losing).

I can name multiple camps that need a Shaman.


Can you name a camp?

Multiple camp names would be nice if you have them.

[PatChapp]

The big lvl 60 cash camp that requires enchanters/cleric is chardok royals. Torpor will not be able to keep up with the king or queens damage.
Cleric is nice for Pom puppets too,though shaman can keep up. Much longer kills with Torpor though.

Cleric/enchanter can duo general in kith. Spicy but fun

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The big lvl 60 cash camp that requires enchanters/cleric is chardok royals. Torpor will not be able to keep up with the king or queens damage.
Cleric is nice for Pom puppets too,though shaman can keep up. Much longer kills with Torpor though.

Cleric/enchanter can duo general in kith. Spicy but fun

Thanks for naming a camp. Would a level 49 Cleric be able to handle Royals CH duty?

I agree that Shamans can do puppets.

[PatChapp]

The lowest we've used is 52 and mana was very tight. If queen has a shield 52cleric is really hairy

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The lowest we've used is 52 and mana was very tight. If queen has a shield 52cleric is really hairy

Thank you very much for the info!

[Vear99]

Can you name a camp?

Siren's Grotto. Icy Servants will wreck you without Aegolism and Stun Command (and sometimes with it).

Unlike The Famous Thread I don't think the OP's question really makes sense because any farm crew will have access to all-the-things by now and use the best for each encounter, e.g. spore king with MNK/MNK and puppets with ENC/CLR, rather than picking one set of classes to do all the encounters.

But why debate these things? When someone doesn't want to concede a point, they can either write pages of semi-relevant rationalizations or take emotional shots. I think it would be much more fun to just work up a group of ENC/ENC/CLR and try multiple fourth wheels and see how you do. I don't think SHM would be the best choice, but I also have to imagine that str+dex+focus+avatar on a L53 spectre with a staff of undead legions would be pretty ridiculous in Howling Stones.

[branamil]

Druid or necro cause they can also charm, backup heal, extra mana regen, and save you time traveling or save you a corpse recovery on the tricky stuff

[Ruien]

I'd want malosini for sure, meaning shaman or mage. For 4-man content I generally want a mage because the epic pet can offtank on charm breaks for longer, offer better dps while things are going normally, and he can drop rods in the meantime. Shaman pulls ahead as the group gets larger. For example, in a 7-man ST clear, the consensus is definitely to prefer shaman over mage and it's not even close.

[ScottBerta]

Either shaman or Druid. 2 hasted pets is more than enough to drop mobs and with 3 enc and having those pets randomly break even with stun the cleric will run through mana trying to keep all 3 enchanters up. IMO a shaman for buffs, slow, DoTs and heals is too good. Also a Druid has good buffs including mana regeneration, HP regen, good dps, and solid heals. Be a lot safer with shaman or Druid as opposed to 3 enchanters.

[Toxigen]

Its Wiz if Hate is on the docket.

Just sayin.

[rjw513]

Can’t you just pay DaP for that

[Toxigen]

Can’t you just pay DaP for that

not if you're trying to snipe magi

[Naethyn]

Warrior for positioning. Have the cleric cast stun command on the tank on inc.

[thebutthat]

I don't see much added value in a 3rd enc, a shaman, 2nd cleric, mage(lol), or druid. 2 enc's can handle slowing...got extra stun from cleric for pet breaks. So I'm voting necro. FD to split something that lull might fail. FD to rez cleric if shit hits the fan. A decent summoned pet if you have 2 breaks. And the whole mana battery/off healing to let cleric focus on CHs for pets.

If you're doing something outside, then I would consider a druid for harmony if it's something like gwurms and a quick port back to recover. But I have a feeling most of your stuff is going to be somewhere not fun to get to naked.