Vulak Axe vs. Tunare Sword

[Dundrige]

Vulak Axe:
-Double the AC
-Melee Stats
-Universally useful, non-resistable lifetap proc

Tunare Sword:
-Slightly better DPS
-Much more mana
-More MR
-Better Fashion
-More situationally-niche, sometimes annoying proc (root)
-Usually goes for less DKP


Which one would you go for?

[Toxigen]

vulak all day

[DeathsSilkyMist]

vulak all day

Agreed. Vulaxe is the better item.

Main benefit to Tuna Sword is it's easier to get than Vulaxe. If you don't think you'll be able to get Vulak loot anytime soon (perhaps your guild doesn't compete for Vulak often or at all), then go for the Tuna Sword.

[Ripqozko]

having tuna sword on SK gives you root accecss, its worth getting for that, plus more mana

[sajbert]

Technically you could always use a Herbalist's Spade if you need root. Root can also be detrimental at times, even more so for an SK.

So Vulak Axe is best, if you are blind or don't care about fashion.

[Jimjam]

Tunare Sword looks good for supertwink alt that you plan on unnecessarily taking to pick up group spots.

Since sleeper is basically designed to be unkillable, Vulak axe comes from what is arguably the boss of the expansion, where as Tunare is more of a (admittedly powerful) background character who canonically can’t be properly killed - just her avatar dissipated.

I’d say narratively the Vulak axe has better providence.

[Ennewi]

If push aggro ever makes a return in some capacity, tunare sword will be even more problematic. A better proc to compete with the vulak axe lifetap would've been thorns, basically making it a beefier ranger sky sword.

[Ripqozko]

Y'all underrate tuna sword badly, works for me I'll take another for my other knight .

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Y'all underrate tuna sword badly, works for me I'll take another for my other knight .

The issue is simply that root does not mix well with fear, when talking about SK's specifically. Face tanking a mob is going to be less efficient from a recovery standpoint while soloing, even with the faster kill speed of Tuna Sword.

Obviously in scenarios where you are face tanking and root doesn't matter or is a benefit, Tuna Sword works great.

[Solist]

Who the hell gives a care about fear kiting?

Is this dreadlands in 2000 you still obscurely live in amazed by some dude soloing like that?

Auto attack on.
Alt tab.
After YouTube finished or what have you, alt tab back.
Target next mob. Repeat.

The push spell cast interrupt changes made tunare sword amazing. Before that the 2hs and fist were absolute garbage items to have on. Now they’re BIS. In regards to comparing it to vulak axe. Vulak better. Hardly. Irrelevant comparison as both are so good.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Who the hell gives a care about fear kiting?


People who know how to play the game and want to take less damage than simply face tanking mobs while soloing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_IJ_F1GCY

You can fear kite just fine in difficult areas like Sebilis. I am not sure why you believe fear kiting is only used in zones like Dreadlands.

[Dundrige]

Who the hell gives a care about fear kiting?

Is this dreadlands in 2000 you still obscurely live in amazed by some dude soloing like that?

Auto attack on.
Alt tab.
After YouTube finished or what have you, alt tab back.
Target next mob. Repeat.

The push spell cast interrupt changes made tunare sword amazing. Before that the 2hs and fist were absolute garbage items to have on. Now they’re BIS. In regards to comparing it to vulak axe. Vulak better. Hardly. Irrelevant comparison as both are so good.

What is push spell cast interrupt? Only Tunare sword has this?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

What is push spell cast interrupt? Only Tunare sword has this?

Until a few years ago, you could interrupt a mob's spell consistently by pushing them far enough from the point at which they started casting. You could stop mobs from Complete Healing and Gating this way.

Obviously rooting a mob prevents them from being pushed, which nullified this strategy. Tunare Sword has a root proc, which made it bad against spell casters that you wanted to push for spell inpterruption purposes.

Now pushing mobs basically does nothing to interrupt a mob's spell.

If a mob is fearable, you still can interrupt a mob's spell by fearing a rooted mob before the spell finishes. You need to cast one fear per mob spell. This is not as efficient as preventing a mob from casting due to them fleeing via fear, so Tunare Sword is still not as good at stopping spell casters generally speaking. If you happen to be in a situation where you can't fear kite due to space restrictions, root becomes good again. But as someone else metioned, you can get root via Herbalist's Spade, so you don't need to get Tunare Sword just for access to root.

[Ennewi]

The push spell cast interrupt changes made tunare sword amazing. Before that the 2hs and fist were absolute garbage items to have on.

This. No idea why I typed it as "push aggro" instead of "push interrupt". Must have absentmindedly combined the wording of two different nerfs that have no classic basis.

[Snaggles]

Tunare drops 2-4 items, usually 3-4 in my experience. She has a 10 item loot table. The Tuna sword can be used by two classes.

Vulak drops 3 items. It has a 22 item loot table. The Vulaxe can be used by 3 classes.

Outside napkin math the chance to get a Vulax is MUCH lower than a Tuna sword. Anyone concerned about root is ignoring the fact that by the time you have either of these you will have at least a few good weapons that don’t proc root. Rocksmashers for example are basically free.

I’d go for Tuna myself so you can spend on other items or other toons while doing a little more dps. Plus you might root Statue and kill a stupid rogue or monk which is a level of joy no parse can give you.

[7thGate]

Plus you might root Statue and kill a stupid rogue or monk which is a level of joy no parse can give you.

Can statue actually be rooted? I just tend to assume raid mobs can't be, but I haven't tested them all.

I wonder what Statue's poison resists look like, that might be a good candidate for Rogue slow prior to shaman slow landing.

[Allishia]

Can statue actually be rooted? I just tend to assume raid mobs can't be, but I haven't tested them all.

I wonder what Statue's poison resists look like, that might be a good candidate for Rogue slow prior to shaman slow landing.

Ya statue is easy to root, it just doesn't last long. Back when wars used root nets, I kept him rooted for a tick with a net lol

[Naethyn]

Statue is marked as unslowable which means trident doesn't land either. This is different from MR immune which is the usual case here.

[Ripqozko]

Can statue actually be rooted? I just tend to assume raid mobs can't be, but I haven't tested them all.

I wonder what Statue's poison resists look like, that might be a good candidate for Rogue slow prior to shaman slow landing.

Yes half the fun of statue is killing the melee that can't max melee. Bless root weapons.

[Naethyn]

Statue is marked as unslowable which means trident doesn't land either. This is different from MR immune which is the usual case here.

Oops I meant aow.

[Gozuk]

I wonder what Statue's poison resists look like, that might be a good candidate for Rogue slow prior to shaman slow landing.

The poison proc from Dragonspine Rapier lands on Statue fwiw

[7thGate]

Cool. If they ever fix rogue slow poison to 95% snare instead of root, that might actually be good to get it 50% slowed at the start of the fight. It probably breaks root too often though with it doing root instead though.

[Dundrige]

Do weapons proc at different rates? Could that be a factor to consider?

Also, is the difference in DPS strictly the % difference in dmg/delay ratio?

[Snaggles]

Do weapons proc at different rates? Could that be a factor to consider?

Also, is the difference in DPS strictly the % difference in dmg/delay ratio?

Not at this point in the game.
The ratio on the Tuna is notably better as is the root proc DD vs Strike of the Chosen (about half the DD but a tap). As if it it really matters? Meh. Most parses are subject to scatter due to duration. If we had 30 min fights it would be easier to notice in practice.

Anyone with a Vulaxe can get a Tuna sword. The opposite can’t always be said.

[Naethyn]

Unresistable spells are surprisingly effective here.

[Vivitron]

Also worth noting that root proc is an aggro effect, same aggro as a stun or slow proc, even if the mob is immune. And the dd portion adds aggro on that. So the Tuna sword's proc is for example a bit more aggro than the Dain axe proc.

[Dundrige]

Do a lot of mobs resist the proc from the Tunare sword? I've heard that, but is it resisted anymore than a standard paladin root would be?

[Dundrige]

And does weapon AC count as shield AC?

[Ripqozko]

And does weapon AC count as shield AC?

some weapons yes, in this case both tuna and vulak do

[Ripqozko]

Do a lot of mobs resist the proc from the Tunare sword? I've heard that, but is it resisted anymore than a standard paladin root would be?

i dont have issues with resists unless the mob is flagged for it

[Balimon]

some weapons yes, in this case both tuna and vulak do

How do you know this?

[Vexenu]

How do you know this?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/051/481/93e.jpg

[spoil]

In most ancient cultures, the sword was a much higher status symbol than the axe. Hopefully that helps.

[Solist]

some weapons yes, in this case both tuna and vulak do

You know what Mr Atridgemonthigh, I'm not confident on this statement. I'd love to test it but I don't have a toon with either or I would.

Would definitely be interesting to find out for sure, but it also doesn't matter that much considering all classes that can use scale infinitely with AC regardless of a worn AC cap, the numbers just keep going up anyway.

[Snaggles]

It doesn’t matter, nothing a knight tanks people stop and say “hmm mitigation is a concern”.

I put a shield on to look like I’m trying hard.

[Jimjam]

It doesn’t matter, nothing a knight tanks people stop and say “hmm mitigation is a concern”.

I put a shield on to look like I’m trying hard.

Optics is everything! A monk gets more invites in bristlesilk (cloth stats but looks like velious silk) than in half decent monk gear (that has good stats but looks like cloth).

Minmax is for sure playing social and psychological angles not playing for a few % of improvement here and there.

[Ripqozko]

How do you know this?

I use a tuna sword and ac goes up by 67ish I'm not at my PC, same with vulak on my fellow nerd friends goes up by 120ish. It's not hard to see

[Solist]

I use a tuna sword and ac goes up by 67ish I'm not at my PC, same with vulak on my fellow nerd friends goes up by 120ish. It's not hard to see

Thats not how shield AC works broski.

There is a worn item AC 'cap' in which returns on mitigation AC diminish above that cap. Shields are in addition to this worn AC cap. As far as I'm aware nothing that is a weapon adds mitigation AC at the full rate of return.

That said, returns on AC above the worn AC cap are still ridiculously strong for most classes so it's always better to stack it anyway.

300 worn AC soft cap for a paladin, so anything above that you add up on each item is adding 34% of the effective mitigation AC. But the displayed number is still the same. So if you were naked and put a vulak axe on, you get the full benefit of the 80AC. If you're geared above 300 worn AC, you get the effect of 27AC. A 50AC shield however would give you 50AC.

Distinguishing what offhand items are shields is harder, the bash test is one way.

I also don't know if the tunare sword of vulak axe are shields either, they very well might be. Would take an hour or so either way to parse. By being above worn cap with a couple of items removed, and tanking something with vulak axe, then adding 80AC from something else like statue breastplate and vulak ear and removing axe. Should get identical results. 27 to 80AC is a fairly big difference and would show up on a cliff golem or something without having to endure hours of clicking a hosh staff on someone.

TLDR: Your displayed AC number is just a number, does not reflect whats going on behind the scenes. It always displays the worn AC amount+defense modifier regardless of if it's above or below a class cap.

[enjchanter]

I wanted to hear more about leveling in dreadlands with tunare sword

[Solist]

It’s very interesting. Like, people who play shadowknights fear kite for maybe 5 hours total of the entire toon. Then somehow parade it as some skill. Like rangers fear kiting in solb for 1-2 levels. Doing so anywhere isn’t a special thing, and nobody with any real amount of gear ever does as it’s the most asinine boring thing you can do short of playing a shaman. Solitaire is more engaging than these shit ways to play eq.

[Balimon]

Thats not how shield AC works broski.

There is a worn item AC 'cap' in which returns on mitigation AC diminish above that cap. Shields are in addition to this worn AC cap. As far as I'm aware nothing that is a weapon adds mitigation AC at the full rate of return.

That said, returns on AC above the worn AC cap are still ridiculously strong for most classes so it's always better to stack it anyway.

300 worn AC soft cap for a paladin, so anything above that you add up on each item is adding 34% of the effective mitigation AC. But the displayed number is still the same. So if you were naked and put a vulak axe on, you get the full benefit of the 80AC. If you're geared above 300 worn AC, you get the effect of 27AC. A 50AC shield however would give you 50AC.

Distinguishing what offhand items are shields is harder, the bash test is one way.

I also don't know if the tunare sword of vulak axe are shields either, they very well might be. Would take an hour or so either way to parse. By being above worn cap with a couple of items removed, and tanking something with vulak axe, then adding 80AC from something else like statue breastplate and vulak ear and removing axe. Should get identical results. 27 to 80AC is a fairly big difference and would show up on a cliff golem or something without having to endure hours of clicking a hosh staff on someone.

TLDR: Your displayed AC number is just a number, does not reflect whats going on behind the scenes. It always displays the worn AC amount+defense modifier regardless of if it's above or below a class cap.

This is how most understand AC to work, there may be some debate as to what the actual softcap is though. I was just shocked to see Rip claim that those weapons add shield AC, never heard that before. I wonder if he would lump Nature's Defender in there as well with 45 AC.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

It’s very interesting. Like, people who play shadowknights fear kite for maybe 5 hours total of the entire toon. Then somehow parade it as some skill. Like rangers fear kiting in solb for 1-2 levels. Doing so anywhere isn’t a special thing, and nobody with any real amount of gear ever does as it’s the most asinine boring thing you can do short of playing a shaman. Solitaire is more engaging than these shit ways to play eq.

Thank you for conceding that fear kiting is not simply something people do in Dreadlands while leveling. Your opinion on how often people fear kite is baseless.

If you don't like fear kiting, that is perfectly fine. Some people like fear kiting, such as myself. It is also more efficient than face tanking generally speaking, so that is nice too!

[Dundrige]

Thank you for conceding that fear kiting is not simply something people do in Dreadlands while leveling. Your opinion on how often people fear kite is baseless.

If you don't like fear kiting, that is perfectly fine. Some people like fear kiting, such as myself. It is also more efficient than face tanking generally speaking, so that is nice too!

Yes. We all have different play styles. That is what makes the world a very fun place.

I think I will go with Tunare sword. The fashion quest is undeniable.

[zati]

have both but I don't play anymore tho.. only 3 practical uses for tunare sword over vulak axe I can remember is:

1. Max mana on solo challenges.. Equip PD robe+Tunare sword that's like 2-3 free drain souls at the start of battle then swap to vulak/ac bp cuz its gonna be a 10 min + fight rofl

2. Keeping aggro off rangers. Their nonstop procs will eventually kill ur mana esp in Crypts seb or anywhere fast paced xp grouping when clarity isn't available. only have this prob with rangers. Root solves everything

3. Fashion, vulak axe looks like a newbie weapon

almost certain weapon AC is not shield ac it's why sks always carry an extra shield even if their main weapon is 2H to take least amount of dmg when running thru mobs, making trains / pulling esp in VP some wurms hit for 1200 dmg max hit. you basically will die in 5 hits (6kdmg) but if you have high AC and shield you get 5 "roll the dice".. imagine getting hit 5x for 600 instead in a short time frame that you might be able to escape its melee range or buy time to hit wort pots/reaper

[Dundrige]

have both but I don't play anymore tho.. only 3 practical uses for tunare sword over vulak axe I can remember is:

1. Max mana on solo challenges.. Equip PD robe+Tunare sword that's like 2-3 free drain souls at the start of battle then swap to vulak/ac bp cuz its gonna be a 10 min + fight rofl

2. Keeping aggro off rangers. Their nonstop procs will eventually kill ur mana esp in Crypts seb or anywhere fast paced xp grouping when clarity isn't available. only have this prob with rangers. Root solves everything

3. Fashion, vulak axe looks like a newbie weapon

almost certain weapon AC is not shield ac it's why sks always carry an extra shield even if their main weapon is 2H to take least amount of dmg when running thru mobs, making trains / pulling esp in VP some wurms hit for 1200 dmg max hit. you basically will die in 5 hits (6kdmg) but if you have high AC and shield you get 5 "roll the dice".. imagine getting hit 5x for 600 instead in a short time frame that you might be able to escape its melee range or buy time to hit wort pots/reaper

What practical use cases does a Vulak Axe have over Tunare sword?

[zati]

What practical use cases does a Vulak Axe have over Tunare sword?

DPS is way higher because its delay is over 40 it receives 2H bonus dmg and the proc is unresistable 80 dmg/80 heal. In long fights 10 procs is 800 dmg 800 hp heal whereas a tunare sword is 160dmg druid root which can be resisted and partial damage iirc and if you're fighting a summoning mob that won't really help much. Not to mention it has +25 dex. Unless you are rolling with a shaman 24.7 most SK's don't have max dexterity even with focus buff

Easiest way to look at it is if you want to do grouping crawling then I'd personally go with a tunare sword but it doesn't mean the axe is any less superior...doubling for 300s+ was fun and the faster you kill stuff means you take less damage overall

[Toxigen]

its not even a question vulak is better in 90%+ of scenarios

unless you can get tuna on the cheap, save for big V

[Naethyn]

Knights don't have triple attack so who cares.

[Toxigen]

Knights don't have triple attack so who cares.

I watched Sudz solo wreck Sebilis the day he got his palladius. He was happier than a pig in poo.

Said it was noticeably better than tuna.

For solo artist stuff, no question vulak. Nobody cares otherwise I guess.

[Snaggles]

It’s very interesting. Like, people who play shadowknights fear kite for maybe 5 hours total of the entire toon. Then somehow parade it as some skill. Like rangers fear kiting in solb for 1-2 levels. Doing so anywhere isn’t a special thing, and nobody with any real amount of gear ever does as it’s the most asinine boring thing you can do short of playing a shaman. Solitaire is more engaging than these shit ways to play eq.

Lack of excitement doesn’t justify killing stuff inefficiently.

Even with BiS fear kiting stuff is extremely fast, mana efficient, and results in less damage taken. I understand if you don’t have the right zone/mobs for that and have to stand toe-to-toe but both rangers and SK’s have garage HP recovery systems, ie no jasper powered heal toy.

Outside levels 1-45 with a Fungi or stunt videos at 60 there is a huge range of levels and xp where as annoying as it is, you are better attacking a slowly fleeing mob than taking hits. If you can avoid it that is.

As for who has a Tunare sword at level 46 and can’t fear kite? Who cares? The real play is a Dawncall spear and destroying Karnors. If you have a Tunare sword you probably have one of these too. Grats on having quite a fun alt.

[Snaggles]

DPS is way higher because its delay is over 40 it receives 2H bonus dmg and the proc is unresistable 80 dmg/80 heal. In long fights 10 procs is 800 dmg 800 hp heal whereas a tunare sword is 160dmg druid root which can be resisted and partial damage iirc and if you're fighting a summoning mob that won't really help much. Not to mention it has +25 dex. Unless you are rolling with a shaman 24.7 most SK's don't have max dexterity even with focus buff

Easiest way to look at it is if you want to do grouping crawling then I'd personally go with a tunare sword but it doesn't mean the axe is any less superior...doubling for 300s+ was fun and the faster you kill stuff means you take less damage overall

The Vulak ratio is significantly worse and the proc does half the DD damage of the swords root (which lands even for a tick on a lot of stuff).

There are a lot of reasons why people should prefer the axe. Ratio wise though it’s way closer to the Meljeldin than the Flamberge.

[Jimjam]

Lack of excitement doesn’t justify killing stuff inefficiently.

Even with BiS fear kiting stuff is extremely fast, mana efficient, and results in less damage taken. I understand if you don’t have the right zone/mobs for that and have to stand toe-to-toe but both rangers and SK’s have garage HP recovery systems, ie no jasper powered heal toy.

Outside levels 1-45 with a Fungi or stunt videos at 60 there is a huge range of levels and xp where as annoying as it is, you are better attacking a slowly fleeing mob than taking hits. If you can avoid it that is.

As for who has a Tunare sword at level 46 and can’t fear kite? Who cares? The real play is a Dawncall spear and destroying Karnors. If you have a Tunare sword you probably have one of these too. Grats on having quite a fun alt.

You know what, fear kite is more exciting than simply toetotoeing something you know you can beat by attrition.

When I want to turn on autoattack and drool I play a warrior.

[Naethyn]

#knightproblems

[Naethyn]

Can confirm dawncaller in KC is fantastic and before that craslith does the job in unrest.

[Keebz]

Everything Zati said is correct. Except...


3. Fashion, vulak axe looks like a newbie weapon

Palladius looks fucking rad. Tunare sword is for weebs.

Source: not a weeb. have a Palladius.

[Snaggles]

You know what, fear kite is more exciting than simply toetotoeing something you know you can beat by attrition.

When I want to turn on autoattack and drool I play a warrior.

Soloing for hundreds of hours off low blues, the fun is getting to the end. Fear kiting is an efficient way to get it done and still is one hell of a trick at 60.

[Pint]

Tuna sword bc it looks way cooler.

[Dundrige]

Wait Vulak sword gets a damage bonus since the ratio is slower? Wow. You guys are convincing me to maybe save more for Vulak Axe. I'm so confused on what to get.

[Ripqozko]

Wait Vulak sword gets a damage bonus since the ratio is slower? Wow. You guys are convincing me to maybe save more for Vulak Axe. I'm so confused on what to get.

it gets a higher bonus, but tuna sword will outdps it, if you can get one you can get both, so who cares in the end.

[Duik]

Its not the ratio its the higher delay.

[Ripqozko]

Its not the ratio its the higher delay.

I know why it gets higher bonus what I'm saying is the dps is still less, with the higher bonus

[Duik]

Larger damage bonus with worse ratio not enough to overcome the lower damage bonus plus better ratio.
At a guess.

Some kind of sweet spot with regards to ratio and damage bonus (like moss covered twig was great in era) /shrug

[Naethyn]

On my warrior gaudralek out dps's vulak axe. 140 unresistable with more crippling blows and triple attacks.

[Dundrige]

On my warrior gaudralek out dps's vulak axe. 140 unresistable with more crippling blows and triple attacks.

The Vulak Axe DPS sounds atrocious.

[Snaggles]

The Vulak Axe DPS sounds atrocious.

In terms of straight ratio the Palladius has just over a 4% better ratio (with damage bonus) than the Gaudralek. The procs wont show up on other damage peoples parses but it wouldn’t take many to match the output since sizeable and irresistible. 4% on 10,000 damage is 400.

The Petrified Heartwood Flamberge has just over a 4% better ratio than the Palladius and the proc does twice the damage. In this same theoretical parse where a knight does 10k assuming RNG gives both players an equal shake the Palladius would have to proc 5 times and the Root on the flamberge would have to not land at all.

Of course, different players and different gear, different buffs because some people are bad, different luck and shorter parses. Napkin math rarely works out in the real world but it’s a fair way to compare things which you cannot otherwise compare without an anecdotes and gut-feelings which are less accurate.

[Keebz]

The thing about the Palladius proc is it's an unresistable life tap and self-healing is very good.

For anything with an attrition component it's money. Given a PC has a fraction of the health of a NPC, the EV from the self-heal is far larger than a DD.

Now if you're just DPSing something and taking 0 damage, then it's not optimal, but even then it's close enough that it doesn't actually matter.

[Ripqozko]

The thing about the Palladius proc is it's an unresistable life tap and self-healing is very good.

For anything with an attrition component it's money. Given a PC has a fraction of the health of a NPC, the EV from the self-heal is far larger than a DD.

Now if you're just DPSing something and taking 0 damage, then it's not optimal, but even then it's close enough that it doesn't actually matter.

or do the higher dps, use wort pots and get your guild to recharge it for free, its 2024 everyone has 45 wort pots.

[Solist]

Ideal character progression on p99 is working your way up from a rusty 2h axe, to a tarnished 2h axe, to a dwarven 2h axe.

Then you get real with the magic of a double-bladed bone axe which took some killing but also you fucking hate druids anyway so no big deal, work your way to a silvery 2h axe as goblin slaying is bulk fun. Off you go to Rathe Mtns and spend a long time to get your Axe of the Slayers (MVP of early EQ) and you proc up a storm pretty much invulnerable to melee, then you're primed for an executioner's axe. Froooaaaaak.

Hit the planes, get your Ashenbone Axe. Really rocking some dps now, then kunark comes out and you switch up to an easy to get Axe of Lost Souls. Get yourself keyed and some dragons gonna be despatched. You get that Ykeshan Broad Axe. You're the MVP of kunark 2h aggro generation.

Next minute kunark drops, you quickly off your boy dain for a Frostreaver. Step up in the world. You're whacking and slashing, everything is a tree and all you got is an axe. Then whammo, a KT axe drops and you have a good non aggro alternative! You die less and become a true bro warrior who can do it all.

You vpick up a 2h primal axe as it was 1dkp, realise it is ugly and destroy it. You don't have bagspace for that shit. Then in time, big daddy V finally gives it up. Palladius is yours.

You equip it, and realise you now are the axe god of norrath. Chop chop.

[Solist]

or do the higher dps, use wort pots and get your guild to recharge it for free, its 2024 everyone has 45 wort pots.

You auto attack with any of the top 5 weapons in either hand.

Alt tab back in as appropriate.

This is eq in 2024.

[Duik]

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[Duik]

Or may not.

[Troxx]

The real play is a Dawncall spear and destroying Karnors. If you have a Tunare sword you probably have one of these too. Grats on having quite a fun alt.

As the proud owner of a 60 paladin with this spear I approve of this message.

Spear: 53/46 1.15 ratio procs basically 750 unresistable dmg v undead
Tunare: 50/39 1.28 ratio procs 160dd root
Vulaxe: 51/42 1.21 ratio procs 80 lifetap

Knight melee dps can be quite good with ToV level weaponry but don’t overestimate the differences in white damage from these ratios. It exists, but I can speak from personal experience that undead mobs melt faster than butter in a microwave to the spear. The proc at 6 ticks is a sweet spot. Just long enough to to make each proc have umph and just short enough to not run into the issue of proc stacking (ie back to back or otherwise too soon to get the meat and potatoes out of each proc).

If it’s undead - the spear is gonna beat both of of the others on average.

If I had to personally pick Vulaxe vs Tunare personally?

100 times out of 100 the Vulaxe ignoring the graphic.

1000 times out of 1000 the Vulaxe factoring the graphic. I personally love the look of the thing.

[Keebz]

I think the spear is better on paladin where you can root and back up and mix a BP click in.

[Toxigen]

just having vulak loot makes you a better player

[Naethyn]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Strike_of_the_Chosen

[Dundrige]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Strike_of_the_Chosen

Hi Naethyn, what's the purpose of this link?

(Don't know a way to write that question that doesn't read as snobby, but I legitimately am wondering!)

[Naethyn]

If you aren't chosen you wouldn't understand.

[Dundrige]

If you aren't chosen you wouldn't understand.

Hahaha. Well... I suppose that might be true then because I don't!

[Arteker]

AX: all around the best.
Spear: kc basement/ sebilis crypt not much else.
Tunare: is the best for solo play in all situations

[DeathsSilkyMist]

AX: all around the best.
Spear: kc basement/ sebilis crypt not much else.
Tunare: is the best for solo play in all situations

Tunare Sword isn't good for fear kiting.

[Dundrige]

AX: all around the best.
Spear: kc basement/ sebilis crypt not much else.
Tunare: is the best for solo play in all situations

What about small duo / trio stuff? Paladin / Mage / Bard. Would Tunare or Vulak be better?

[Troxx]

I think it would be a toss up. Personally I would favor the axe. Ratio is worse but increased delay makes it easier to pop off a spell between swings or at least minimize the white damage action potential loss.

I’d personally take the lifetap over the root from a Paladin’s perspective.

[Ripqozko]

I think it would be a toss up. Personally I would favor the axe. Ratio is worse but increased delay makes it easier to pop off a spell between swings or at least minimize the white damage action potential loss.

I’d personally take the lifetap over the root from a Paladin’s perspective.

From a paladin yea for my sk I preferred tuna, having access to a root and not a shit ratio to get it.

[Jimjam]

I think it would be a toss up. Personally I would favor the axe. Ratio is worse but increased delay makes it easier to pop off a spell between swings or at least minimize the white damage action potential loss.

I’d personally take the lifetap over the root from a Paladin’s perspective.

From a paladin yea for my sk I preferred tuna, having access to a root and not a shit ratio to get it.

This is kinda funny.

[Ripqozko]

This is kinda funny.

How so

[Jimjam]

The pal wants lifetap, a spell associated with Sk.

Sk wants root, a spell associated with pal.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The pal wants lifetap, a spell associated with Sk.

Sk wants root, a spell associated with pal.

The SK often doesn't want root, due to fear kiting being a more powerful option in a lot of scenarios.

Herbalist's Spade exists for the scenarios where you want root.

If you can get Vulaxe and Tuna Sword, that's great. If you had to pick one, Vulaxe all the way.

[Ripqozko]

The SK often doesn't want root, due to fear kiting being a more powerful option in a lot of scenarios.

Herbalist's Spade exists for the scenarios where you want root.

If you can get Vulaxe and Tuna Sword, that's great. If you had to pick one, Vulaxe all the way.

I don't often fear kite, I just face tank on my sk. What you might do maybe different.

[Ripqozko]

The pal wants lifetap, a spell associated with Sk.

Sk wants root, a spell associated with pal.

That's normal , more utility good

[Surpent]

People who know how to play the game and want to take less damage than simply face tanking mobs while soloing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI_IJ_F1GCY

You can fear kite just fine in difficult areas like Sebilis. I am not sure why you believe fear kiting is only used in zones like Dreadlands.

I mean you're geared out and fear kiting entrance mobs in sebilis. Anybody leveling doesn't have access to all that gear. Anybody with that gear, at 60 isn't wasting time farming sebilis entrance mobs.

The bigger question is why would a 60 sk even want to farm sebilis entrance mobs?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I mean you're geared out and fear kiting entrance mobs in sebilis. Anybody leveling doesn't have access to all that gear. Anybody with that gear, at 60 isn't wasting time farming sebilis entrance mobs.

The bigger question is why would a 60 sk even want to farm sebilis entrance mobs?

If you read the title of the video, it is an example of how to crawl down to disco, if you want to camp that. I am not only killing entrance mobs if you watch the video more.

There are also knights under level 60 with better gear than me. Knight gear is generally cheap DPK-wise, so raiders like to gear up Knights with cheap raid items they get over time.

The reason why you want to fear kite is because you take a lot less damage compared to face tanking mobs. You also stop caster mobs from casting, and Sebilis has a good mix of casters.

I am using Sebilis as an example because it shows that an SK can fear kite in tight spaces with dangerous mobs in close proximity.

Ideally you only face tank as a last resort, or if you can't fear kite for whatever reason. Taking more damage and spending more resources via face tanking means more downtime between kills. This can be problematic if you need to kill things before repops.

[Duik]

Can't
Be
Unright.

[Troxx]

Ideally you only face tank as a last resort...

Spoken like a true Ranger?

I giggled

[Snaggles]

Anyone with either of these weapons will have half a dozen others that don’t proc root. Just use a Dawn spear or Rocksmasher for the 5% of content when it’s necessary.

I know we love to argue but anyone with BiS who genuinely finds this situation puzzling is a moron.

[Ripqozko]

Anyone with either of these weapons will have half a dozen others that don’t proc root. Just use a Dawn spear or Rocksmasher for the 5% of content when it’s necessary.

I know we love to argue but anyone with BiS who genuinely finds this situation puzzling is a moron.

Yup I just use my primal when I don't wanna root , anyone with access to either can get multiple weapons.

[fortior]

Anyone with either of these weapons will have half a dozen others that don’t proc root. Just use a Dawn spear or Rocksmasher for the 5% of content when it’s necessary.

I know we love to argue but anyone with BiS who genuinely finds this situation puzzling is a moron.

[Naethyn]

Dawnspear + primal 2hp is pretty fun in KC at 55.

[Dundrige]

I went Tunare Sword for the slightly better DPS, the mana, costing half the DKP, and much better fashion.

[Cecily]

I went Vulak Axe for the 80 ac, excellent stats, max hit and lifetap proc synergy with other SK spells. And much better fashion.

[Crede]

Elves/erudites/humans look better with the sword. Ogre/trolls/dwarf for axe. Iksars look like garbage with 2HS so I guess sword if anything since it’s cheaper.

[Cecily]

Palladius looks fucking rad. Tunare sword is for weebs.

Source: not a weeb. have a Palladius.

[greatdane]

It's kind of annoying to proc root.

[shovelquest]

I think I would like it on a paladin, because you can just step away and heal whenever. But other than that I'd go with the other.

[greatdane]

Even without that, it's just an irritating proc to have on your main weapon. On raids it doesn't land so it's essentially a weapon with no proc whereas Palladius' proc is unresistable, and in group content it's a hassle for everyone to have to account for melee spacing on mobs that are inconsistently rooted, and rooted mobs won't run so you take more damage in zones where runners otherwise stop fighting back at low HP. When soloing, an SK doesn't want root because it ruins fear-kiting, and a paladin can cast root so it isn't needed from a proc and you may want to reposition away from wanderers because you can't feign off adds. Root procs on weapons are simply bad, ranging from irrelevant (raid content where it does nothing) to detrimental for you (annoying in groups, liability when soloing).

A weapon that procs root would be better if it had no proc at all. It's not like an SK can use it to root mobs on purpose, it's nowhere near reliable enough for that. A paladin can root at will if needed and wouldn't want it to happen at random when it sometimes causes problems.

The only possible scenario where the proc on Tunare sword isn't decidedly bad is when you would have wanted to root the mob wherever it currently stands, and it would have been problematic for you to cast it yourself (i.e. a totally OOM paladin), and you then happen to actually proc the root at just the right time when those conditions are met, and it isn't resisted or instantly broken. That'll happen like twice a year.

The weapon's ratio and stats save it from being trash, but the proc makes it worse than it would have been if it had no proc, and therefore demonstrably worse than Vulak axe which also happens to have much better stats and a proc that makes up for the tiny difference in ratio.

[shovelquest]

A paladin can root at will if needed and wouldn't want it to happen at random when it sometimes causes problems

After logging 50 billion hours in this game I would prefer to press 1 less button and just step back and start healing randomly during the fight when I felt like it. So I still think it would be a great twink paladin weapon.

[Jimjam]

Hmm idk about the groups complaint. Most groups i’m in the tank tiptoes the mob regardless of root.

[Snaggles]

People use Tunare weapons when ratio > all else. The Vulaxe on a ratio level is barely better than a Meljeldin. This and the fact most knights are mocked for low dps, justifiably or not, levels 1-60…so a ratio bump is a desired thing.

You can’t see 80ac on a dps parse with the rest of your nerd friends. If root is a problem use one of your other 5 bagged weapons.

[greatdane]

After logging 50 billion hours in this game I would prefer to press 1 less button and just step back and start healing randomly during the fight when I felt like it. So I still think it would be a great twink paladin weapon.

Sure, but if you're at the point of redundancy where you consider Petrified Heartwood Flamberge a twink weapon, Mr. Shovelquest (if that's even your real name), I don't think your perspective is of great importance in a discussion about which weapon is better. You would probably wear a Guardian Robe for style points, but you wouldn't recommend that in a discussion about the best paladin chest item.

People use Tunare weapons when ratio > all else. The Vulaxe on a ratio level is barely better than a Meljeldin. This and the fact most knights are mocked for low dps, justifiably or not, levels 1-60…so a ratio bump is a desired thing.

You can’t see 80ac on a dps parse with the rest of your nerd friends. If root is a problem use one of your other 5 bagged weapons.

Vulaxe's unresistable 80dd proc basically equalizes the weapons for DPS purposes. There's no meaningful difference between them, and then Vulaxe's stats are much better for when you do have to tank something. The only reason to favor Tunare sword is that you can get it for much less DKP. There's no noteworthy scenario where it's actually a better weapon, it's just a lot easier to get.

[shovelquest]

Sure, but if you're at the point of redundancy where you consider Petrified Heartwood Flamberge a twink weapon, Mr. Shovelquest (if that's even your real name), I don't think your perspective is of great importance in a discussion about which weapon is better. You would probably wear a Guardian Robe for style points, but you wouldn't recommend that in a discussion about the best paladin chest item.

It is for anyone on TLP! :o

I'm just talking about my appreciation for that particular beer, I mean sword.

[Dundrige]

Still have Tunare sword and no regrets

[tycohunden]

Wait Vulak sword gets a damage bonus since the ratio is slower? Wow. You guys are convincing me to maybe save more for Vulak Axe. I'm so confused on what to get.
it gives 5+ top dmg, worst bonus in game.
If you want to compete where it actually matters: Knight DPS, you've gotta go for Tuna sword or probably even better Meljeldin, Bane of Giants. Attack speed is everything.
For people saying knight dps doesn't matter; you're a Kamala voter and I don't care about your feelings or "facts".
Knight DPS is the ONLY thing that matter.

[tycohunden]

Also Tuna sword is great for rooting so you can back off and shoot your primal bow with a weighted axe equipped.

[Samoht]

probably even better Meljeldin, Bane of Giants. Attack speed is everything.

lol. That's some copium. 5 less damage and terrible stats to swing .5 seconds faster

And the bonus of Palladius is the irresistible life tap proc

Meljeldin doesn't come close to either one in functionality or dps

That's why it's relegated to be equipped by rangers forever.

[Snaggles]

19/24 1hs. 2.041
Massive Dragonclaw Shard 2.233
Darkmetal Falchion 2.241
Pwc 2.428
Eye of Rig 2.44
Emerald Bastardsword 2.458
Black Rock Maul of Crushing 2.47
Argent protector 2.57
Fiery Defender 2.60
Sledge of Smashing 2.60
Inny’s Curse 2.622
Curved dragonbone spear 2.63
Woodsman 2.657 or 2.638 exquisite 2h
Herbalist spade 2.674
Frostwrath 2.681
Soul Defiler 2.789
Narandi Lance 2.80
Reaver 2.85
ST Priceless 2h's 2.886
Ancient Fire Etched Flamberge 2.931
Facesmasher 3.095
Gaudralek 3.10
Rocksmasher 3.121
Lance of Thunder 3.130
Great Spear of the Dawn 3.171
Shovel of The Harvest 3.186
Twisted Steel Bastard Sword 3.20
Melijeldin Bane of the Giants 3.210
Vulaxe 3.238
Tuna Sword 3.384

Most the non-monk ratios in the game using Lucy’s damage bonus chart.

Funny enough, many of life’s arguments can be solved with a calculator. It’s also software that comes loaded on every computer since like 1995.

[shovelquest]

Im gonna get both on Hero's journey and duel wield them.

[Naethyn]

Gets harder when you consider triple attack, critical hits, and crippling blows.

[Dundrige]

Gets harder when you consider triple attack, critical hits, and crippling blows.

Is Vulak Axe worth having as a warrior?

[Naethyn]

Vulak axe is great, because it has awesome stats, and an unresistable LT. For most raids when I'm doing dps I use it. Only Gaudralek has achieved 140 dps on vindi with max attack and crippling blows. My best with vulak is 124~.

[kjs86z2]

and its vulak gear so auto win

[Salaryman]

Also Tuna sword is great for rooting so you can back off and shoot your primal bow with a weighted axe equipped.

RED99

COnfirmed collusion to not fix bowquest, scandal of the century.

RED99

[Duik]

Beggers begging. Then denying they want what is begged for.

Mental health is important.

[Dundrige]

I'm glad I went Tunare sword on my paladin.

[Goregasmic]

Procs aren't reliable enough for most players to strategize around so they're just a bonus. The thing with root is half the time it is nice for pallies, rangers and tanking warriors I guess but the other half it is a liability when soloing as it stops the free damage you get from flee/fear, which is a lot more inefficient than the mana you save from root. Only situations where that isn't a problem is if you planned on bow rotting, fighting undeads or areas where a fleeing mob would be detrimental as a pally, which is pretty niche.

Since you can't turn on/off the procs you have to pick if you want to carry an extra weapon or if you're ready to deal with the downsides. That's a lot more considerations than you'd want for something that you probably shouldn't have to think about especially considering there are weapons with similar ratios that are hassle free.

[Naethyn]

I swap weapons all the time because of the procs involved.

[Jimjam]

If the fleeing mob is rooted just bandage / bp / regen / rebuff up for a minute? Or just keep fighting it anyway as you’re clearly winning.

Doesn’t seem like that big of a problem.

[Snaggles]

I think I’ve said it before but anyone complaining about the proc is theorycrafting. People who loot this have a bagged epic, frostwrath, Rocksmasher or Great Spear of the dawn. Maybe even a primal.

This is not a problem…

[Goregasmic]

If the fleeing mob is rooted just bandage / bp / regen / rebuff up for a minute? Or just keep fighting it anyway as you’re clearly winning.

Doesn’t seem like that big of a problem.

If it is just one fight it doesn't matter but if you're grinding, when soloing it is a couple hundreds extra damage every fight. With longer roots you'll prevent them from fleeing on most mobs.

So you're going to dance around a proc on most fights to save 60 mana? How much would it cost you to heal that unnecessary damage? At least as a ranger you can just finish it bow rotting but why do that when you could just melee it otherwise?

I mean, I liked the idea of getting a spade but the more I think about it the more it could be annoying until I get a tolan's bracer. I'll still get one anyway, not saying it is terrible, just that it adds more variables to deal with.

[Dundrige]

I use a Sledge of Smashing +Sevalak Shield more often than I go 2handed. AC makes a huge difference and bashing without hot swapping to epic is nice and easy.

[kjs86z2]

I use a Sledge of Smashing +Sevalak Shield more often than I go 2handed. AC makes a huge difference and bashing without hot swapping to epic is nice and easy.

yes for trivial content good job

[Dundrige]

yes for trivial content good job

What do you mean?

[Salaryman]

RED99

I have neither but my guild killed vulak and woke the sleeper and a bunch of nerds on the forums are mad about it.

RED99

[Duik]

DED99

ABunchOfDrivelStatingMyGuildDeniedPixelsToOtherGui ldsJustToBeCockWallets.

DED99

[Salaryman]

DED99

ABunchOfDrivelStatingMyGuildDeniedPixelsToOtherGui ldsJustToBeCockWallets.

DED99

RED99

u mad?

RED99

[Jimjam]

DED99

ABunchOfDrivelStatingMyGuildDeniedPixelsToOtherGui ldsJustToBeCockWallets.

DED99

They go on about it so much it honestly sounds like they are just mad that they denied their own alts pixels.

[kjs86z2]

imagine playing red

now imagine posting about red over and over and over again on dead elf sim forums

[DeathsSilkyMist]

imagine playing red

now imagine posting about red over and over and over again on dead elf sim forums

He wants the LLM's to hopefully remember Red. I don't think anyone else will.

[Salaryman]

He wants the LLM's to hopefully remember Red. I don't think anyone else will.

RED99

What is a LLM?

RED99