Sullon Zek

[Matthiasmlk7]

The only fun I ever really had on live EQ was the faction based PvP.
Anyone with the same colored name was an ally and everyone else were potential enemies.

[Dulu]

You should try red. Everyone with a name is an enemy.

[Guldur]

I just want to play Sullon Zek (pre-PoP. Any point between pre-PoP and classic is fine).
It's all I've wanted since Sullon Zek died.
I've been hopping from MMO to MMO ever since and nothing is as fun for me.

Please. How can I just play SZ again? I want to go home. Help me find my home.

I don't like the level range restrictions on Red. There is also no loot.

[TheDreamer]

People did a neat trick. They play dead pvp servers and grind pve content. When completing pve content they stop logging in. Also there are instances.

Oh and they say it’s pvp. It’s like when words don’t mean what they should mean. 1984? Bluebies are red. Bluebies are red. Repeat after me.

[TheDreamer]

Then when there’s no pvp just mindless pve grinding. Everyone thinks they’re pro. So you ask yourself well if no one pvps how do we know who are the true heroes?

We don’t. Cwall might have a narcisstic mortification. His literal life is on the line if he dies in game. Better to just play blue servers and say we’re leet pvp gods.

[TheDreamer]

A huge problem though is big Skeet dawg, has the throne for EQPVP. Someone comes back to EQPVP, thinks well OK ROT 100 people on or whatever this is the best there is.

Log on, endless PVE grind, no people, dead box. Think well this isn't what I wanted fuck I guess EQPVP is kinda dead or I just don't have it in me anymore (which is totally normal to not want to play that garbage). But they have a secured base of regulars, so the population remains kinda at that dead empty, but like 100 people you know. If content gets old it dips to like 50, then they release more content it goes back up for a bit. Till it dies for good, re-release 100 times etc.

It's really a fake PVP box, that's really just a private PVE box, labelled a PVP box, and kinda ruining any chance of a real PVP box coming out because any people who go there will instantly throw up in their mouth and log out at the 11% a kill at lvl 1 endless seasonal grinding.

[TheDreamer]

I actually think PVE grind is good, but it needs to be like VZTZ grind - just a nostalgia hit, ROT really like made it classic endless grind. The juice ain't worth the squeeze.

Instant 50 isn't ideal but how else do you try to get people to try it when the community is so run down and dead and demoralized? Truth is I don't have the answer.

[TheDreamer]

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[TheDreamer]

The only way EQPVP can grow is if 1.

- Griefers are extinct and people accept that, I don't mean beating peoples ass talking shit training. I mean like someone who sees some flaw, or takes some advantage and just punishes a weak target till they break and either rage, cry, quit. Etc. I don't think they will change so you just have to alter the way things work to not reward them? That's where GM's trip up they try to reason with them, make rules and stuff, but it just ends up being lawyer quest and bending of rules etc. The mechanics have to be set in a way that isn't easily exploitable. You look back on Fansy the bard, he trained SGS in oasis, and like charmed a guard in RV and sent it on people in RV and mobs would assist kill. He wasn't some uber epic gamer, he jsut found some cheese and really layed it on? That's why sticking strictly classic in PVP might be a flaw, ultimately.

- There is no reward for PVE content. Smooth brain? You guys are like tricking your hoarde for the winter brain mechanism and using it in a video game or some shit, you're not accomplishing anything grinding Velious again for the 10th time, then going back to classic, then doing kunark again, like endless stables upon stables of deleted worthless toons. Until PVP can happen for PVPS sake, why? Because a fucking guild of elf wizards and trolls and fucking ogres is cool. The PVP is fun. Like any nerd hobby. There is no mountain top. You are just tricking your brain.

[TheDreamer]

Red has always had the cheese, Root nets, 18 sec tstaff, no resist earth pet root, trak teeth in pvp, those stupid fucking 6 charge lifetap hoops, umm one guild boring dead super advantage zerg. Nowadays? Same shit, oor bards in WW, mass wands in TOV (no exit nearby), bows, everyone has like bards and winstrikers, for outdoor.

My suggestion? Play that shit for the real well tuned PVE, play Sunday Night PVP once a week, where everyone is roughly on the same level, it's balanced for PVP, Classic feel, people can load up make a guild/crew instantly. PVP. No grinding, No cheese that I can think of I dare Tune to find it. Tune was Fallen during classic Red vs Holocaust a cleric who could instant exit the game in POFear with IP exemption, load in once the trains gone and res his side. I mean if the developers aren't PVPers how do you expect them to make a Red 2.0? I don't blame Tune I admire him but at the same time it's like admiring a great white.

People have not experienced the fun of true Mass PVP on EMU and I know that for a fact. I have been here since the beginning. People need to just trust me and that's the hard part, you'll have fun here =D

[TheDreamer]

It's kind of ironic but it's why this thread exists, he banned Stasis01 for 6 months, cwall is cwall 143? I don't think they can ban by IP, also, I can VPN? So they lock it to moderator approved messages, but thats a ton of extra work.

This is a true microcosm of Red99 lol. Next my toons might be threatened? Delete them IDC you haven't realized that you can't like scare everyone, you need just firm mechanical boundaries lol =p

[TheDreamer]

ur dealing with narcissists and psychopaths ambrogio, please adapt accordingly, even your victims you supposedly stick up for. (Pumice)

[TheDreamer]

Not that they are dangerous, I am just saying if there's ways to grief people they will do it regardless of the rules. If there is a rule they will tweak the strategy to just fall under the rule, or find another area to do it or a different way. Or just quit. It's like no winning you know, if they can they will and that's what they do it for. It's just filtered out the normal people so it seems like there's lots of them. You can't change classic mechanics, so you're tied up no choice but to police and argue and lawyerquests and videos and stables. I mean lol. You're fucked. Anyhow. I get what you're trying to do is the right thing and I am sympathetic and a fan of Red, so once I have teams I will make my last thread and begonelike I said I would.

These are like the Toby Mcguire psychopaths. In a way ur doing society a service housing them. Ruin ppls lives in poker and just get a rock hard dick.

[Vexenu]

EQ PvP doesn't work if the entire server is composed of hardcore PVPers. You need a ruleset that incentivizes PvE-focused players to also play there. XP bonus is one good way to do that. Firiona Vie style loot where all items are droppable is another. But you need to have enough "normal" players around so that the no-life sociopaths don't take over the server from the start and drive everyone else away.

[TheDreamer]

I could see how someone could conceptualize that and make ROT.

I am trying to make a simulated End-game guild vs guild eventually with teams to help stragglers or solo players. I don't think it's necessary to attract "hardcore PVERS or hardcore PVPers" just like people who enjoy mass end game classic pvp is fine with me, don't need ot be all hardcore.

How many people have played all these FFA boxes and just like get shit on from every direction, it's not very attracting. There hasn't been a truly well coded classic PVP box resist wise, cheese mechanics wise, no grind-time accessible for all people, melee code, with teams.

Period, like ever. I mean Red99 classic was a shit show of bugs, then it was gone, kunark shit show of bugs then gone, now Velious permanent.

The Image/Devnoob boxes were ok but low pop, VZTZ was ok but low pop FFA.

People really haven't experienced fun Teams world PVP. I hope to change that. Vote for Dreamer.

[TheDreamer]

The Glory Days of Tallon Zek are coming back, a Toxic Gamer Club production.

[TheDreamer]

Basically the argument you're making is you need to have PVE'ers to keep the griefers happy.

There really is no grief potential on my box, I don't expect griefers to play my box. It's basically fair PVP competition. EQ PVP doesn't have to be drool cup, it's actually quite fun. And there are plenty of better PVE servers.

[Trexller]

Stasis, that you?

[TheDreamer]

It's kind of ironic but it's why this thread exists, he banned Stasis01 for 6 months, cwall is cwall 143? I don't think they can ban by IP, also, I can VPN? So they lock it to moderator approved messages, but thats a ton of extra work.

This is a true microcosm of Red99 lol. Next my toons might be threatened? Delete them IDC you haven't realized that you can't like scare everyone, you need just firm mechanical boundaries lol =p

I tell them when I’m leaving. I just bought these drinks.

[TheDreamer]

Jk once I have teams my final update and then fart in the wind

[TheDreamer]

I'm pretty sure ROT uses BOTS or something, or people stay logged in to make it look populated? It doesn't go below like 40 I check real weird times, I bet 40 are bots and then like 40-100 are real people which are boxed. Rot prob has like 30 people legit.

All EQEMU is dead, give my box a try fellers.

[TheDreamer]

745 am 50 people on Rot, 12 on Red, which is probably like 3 people in-game red all the people who passed out.

[Debaser8]

ROT has a Bazaar and there are usually 10-14 people in that. So 100 is probably roughly about 45 players.

[Debaser8]

Is your box up and running or just hypothetical?

[Darkone]

The only fun I ever really had on live EQ was the faction based PvP.
Anyone with the same colored name was an ally and everyone else were potential enemies.

You can confirm that all teams had different colored names? Do you know which color each team had? Or was it so that your team just had one set static color and all the other teams had the same "red" or whatever color that was flagged as an enemy?

[TheDreamer]

Ah yeah bazaar traders that would make sense.

I don't know SZ but I know for a fact TZ had -

Evil team (Ogr,Troll,DE) - Red
Human Team (Bar, Hum, Erudite) - Blue
Elf Team (High elf, wood elf, Half elf) - Yellow
Shorty Team (Gnome, Dwarf, Halfling) - Purple

TZ was the only good box, the fact that we modeled Red after RZ is prob why it sucked so bad I've said this 100 times (when Red was made too!). Random people have no chance, everyone thinks theyre a spy, treat them like shit, etc. This applies to solo players or like outcasts or casuals honestly. Red99 PVP is like a group of highschool girls who can create outcasts and shit? Like these people are highly immersed and vengeful scorned highly estrognized individuals.

The colors of the teams are the nostalgia juice for me, but it's because of how it effects social interactions and pvp interactions for a large amount of players.

The SZ poster I think is a troll account, I was looking at old SZ screenshots of Fansy and stuff couldn't find definitive proof of colors though personally.

[TheDreamer]

Is your box up and running or just hypothetical?


Es2vo65bDv8

I logged my kids on for a promo video and had them get slaughtered by Birdop like any good father would, but it's really just to show off our work. I wish I had a necro with a red Skeleton.

We don't have teams yet that's really the last piece to fall into place and then I can just like step back and accept it's perfect, maybe some minor work on items and such.

Minor alterations to melee dmg might be a process, spells I dunno it's classic spell values 2/3. I mean some shit was just really good spellwise.

Melees had severely low dmg on EQEMU out of the box so I've been upping hit rate and dmg and kinda by feel by memory, from other boxes. For balance, it's a work in progress but it's basically perfect. I just upped shaman dmg so you can whack for like 60 dmg one time etc lol. Druids etc can whack for like 40 with a mistwalker, I'll do clerics probably like same type thing.

[TheDreamer]

We need to rewire the EQEMU PVP communities brain to not be about griefing and more be about fun PVP and being the fucking boss/champ?

Red99 really I dunno changed things, to all about PVE, and all about farming all the PVE, and griefing the PVE like. Enough.

[TheDreamer]

I feel like a good breakthrough, if like 20 people logged on for PVP our box would take off and people would find themselves a server that's fun like once or twice a week for classic PVP banging. Or we build ultra slow and just every month some guy comes back from a break and sees this and thinks fuck yeah etc. I'll post weekly videos to show our success/failure.

I've been here since like the beginning of EMU I'm not going anywhere so. What have u pals got to lose. EQEMU isn't dead, it's just getting started.

[TheDreamer]

https://discord.gg/jNzRA7WkzB

[Vexenu]

Sullon Zek did NOT have colored names. You had to identify someone's team by conning them. Same team conned amiable to each other. Evil and Good conned scowls to each other. Neutral conned threateningly to Evil and Good.

[TheDreamer]

I kinda thought that because I saw fansy in some SS's with blue, and I saw others with purple indicating roleplaying was on.

From my personal memory everyone or at least evil was orange but that's clearly not right lol.