Fun necro clickies and their utility

[fortior]

I’m really enjoying my baby necro. I got him a prenerf CoS and a Zheart, but I was wondering about the various other clickies available, either raid loot or droppables. As far as I know, only really the VP staff is notoriously good.

There’s the velketor bracelet which seems to be not liked very much despite being a better jbb, is that because necros get so much free mana?

The fear staff from xalgoz seems rather meh. I don’t think fear is used much when charm killing, right?

And the third other big item I know of is the necro epic, but it looks rather underwhelming, staff of the silent star has better stats, but the clicky looks useful at least.

I like charming a lot (necro instead of enchanter because iksar master race), any clickies aimed at the charming lifestyle that might not be well known?

[Uteunayr]

Some other good clickies to add to your list: Dain 10 ring, Manna Robe, Holgresh Elder Beads, raider skullcap, Robe of Adversity, Encyclopedia Necrotheurgia, and maybe a Crown of Rile. Oh and don't forget a small stockpile of wort pots. They can be damn handy in a bad situation.

Two quick comments: I agree about the Fear Staff, especially for charming, but it has its uses. It has a longer cast time but has an opportunity cost of only 20 mana. Also not needing to memorize Invoke Fear when it's needed is absolutely wonderful.

Necro epic has been a lot more fun now that darkness can stack with roots. While your charm pet is fighting something, you can epic click it after rooting it, that way if charm and roots breaks at the same time, one of them will be snared. Also when you pair it with VP staff, you're looking at ~2k damage without any upfront mana cost and only a minimal opportunity cost. That's not bad if you ever need to finish something off and you don't want to waste mana. Also, like with the fear staff: not needing to mem a darkness spell again is fantastic.

[Solist]

Ring 10
Either VP staff
Crown of hatred+bracer of the hidden so your pet can take a dispel.
Nex Robe + velious pants. Saves memming shit.
A lot of wort pots. Shit happens.
Mallet for a weak slow.

Delete button. Class is all but trash except for pet walking and summoning corpses.

[Penish]

Ring 10
Either VP staff
Crown of hatred+bracer of the hidden so your pet can take a dispel.
Nex Robe + velious pants. Saves memming shit.
A lot of wort pots. Shit happens.
Mallet for a weak slow.

Delete button. Class is all but trash except for pet walking and summoning corpses.

^

roll a chanter, gl

[silo32]

Necro clicky fear staff.. used in neriak on trolls and ogres from 53+-60... Fear forever pet dots zzzzz was in trash gear. Weird buggy pathing, was a snooze grind.

[zelld52]

Soul Well Staff. To get it you have to get a VP key. Is it worth it? Yes if you really love necro.
Another option is Bone Ring of Condemnation from Velketor. Either the staff or bone ring pair well with Holgresh Beads.

Seriously, try enchanter if you like charm. Hell, even druid. I have a 60 necro and 58 enchanter, 56 druid. I was team Necro is better at charming until late 50s. Enchanter can do so much more than necro with AE Mez, AE Stun, Pacify.
the ONE area Necro does better than Enchanter charming is feigning to mem blur pet. (Paci pet, then feign death and pet forgets about you) It's slightly better than guarding pet far away, invis, stun, and mez/mem blur routine for enchanter.

But everything else, enchanter is much more fun, and versatile charming.

Druid get some of the best charm clickies. Snare shield, Heal Legs/Robe, Regen BP, Thorns Gloves.

[fortior]

I’m leveling a chanter too, but I prefer the necro’s aesthetics, want to play an iksar, and am annoyed with having to recast the iksar illusion. I’m aware enchanters are stronger and better at charming, but I want to play a necro. Thanks for all the suggestions guys but I just want to work on this next fun leveling project, no need to win anything or be the best at anything.

[fortior]

Oh yeah and I have beads and heard they’re fun on necro with vp staff that’s also why. Don’t worry guys I’ll work on the server’s 10000th enchanter too

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This isn't a clickie:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Boneshear - but this can be good if you are lazy about buying bonechips in EC.

[kjs86zskidoo]

After Z heart / CoS its basically Ring 10 and VP Staff for big ticket items (beads ofc too).

The VP staff is the true necro epic.

[Vivitron]

I have an Earring of the Frozen Skull on my necro. Soloing it has not been a huge impact for me; it's pretty rare that I need another da before my cast da cycles. I like it anyway, but I don't think it should be a high priority unless you have specific (probably raid related) usecases in mind.

For others that don't have beads, half a bag of stalking probes goes farther than I might have guessed. They're cheap to recharge.

Seriously, try enchanter if you like charm. Hell, even druid. I have a 60 necro and 58 enchanter, 56 druid. I was team Necro is better at charming until late 50s. Enchanter can do so much more than necro with AE Mez, AE Stun, Pacify.
the ONE area Necro does better than Enchanter charming is feigning to mem blur pet. (Paci pet, then feign death and pet forgets about you) It's slightly better than guarding pet far away, invis, stun, and mez/mem blur routine for enchanter.

So far I enjoy the forms of soloing where you break charm and kill the pet to get full xp significantly better on my necro than my enchanter. Self heals, more efficient cast damage, and instant charmbreak without swapping targets are all pretty nice in addition to fd. I do expect to be sick of HS before I hit 60, though.

[Crede]

Ring 10 if you get bored at 60. But you’re basically done with cos zheart and Iksar. Gluck.

[fortior]

Thanks! It’s a lot of fun so far and once I hit 60 I’m using the zheart on my enchanter. I don’t think I’m ring 10ing either but might fesh bp the necro.

[druidbob]

I don't know why people hate on the Velk bracers, my necro has one and I find it to be very useful especially for finishing off mobs when you last dot wears off

[fortior]

I don't know why people hate on the Velk bracers, my necro has one and I find it to be very useful especially for finishing off mobs when you last dot wears off

Its got a pretty long ass cast time, making you miss 2 ticks of sitting down, that's the criticism I've heard. So you lose mana in another way

[Duik]

105 mana per tic? What's possible?
I know mana regen spells and lich etc but they work standing just as efficiently dont they? EDIT clarity no stack wiff lich type...
So just sitting regen as iks is what -2hp with arch lich -14hp with demi lich.
So, using arch lich converting hp to mana 40 mana from 2 ticks sitting.
Am i missing something?
Genuine question btw.

[Crede]

15 sec is a long time if you’re blowing through mobs while charming. I just used deflux/hungry earth to finish mobs off that got low so I never had to bond/vex. Still can’t out med a free nuke like that though, so I’d definitely get it if it’s cheap dkp. It Also prob makes you the best group dps ahead of enc between a charmed pet and spamming bracer if there’s undead around to charm.

[fortior]

31/tick (demi lich) + 21/tick (max meditate at 58) = 52/tick.
Bone bracelet of condemnation = 15 second cast for a 500DD which gives it an opportunity cost of 104 mana (2 ticks) at least.
Deflux = 3 second cast so you won't miss a tick if you're able to sit down (if you aren't, a 15 second cast isn't going well for you either) at 198 mana.

I think the bone bracelet would be incredibly good on any class that's not necro or enchanter. Mana 'free' but extremely long casting DDs feel less useful on a class that already swims in mana. That's just my opinion though, I'm not even 60 yet. I bet it's very nice while leveling since it's just a better JBB. Happy to reconsider if someone with more experience has used it at higher levels. Keep in mind that it's a 0 resist mod nuke though.

[druidbob]

Yeah I guess it depends on what you are doing. For undead charming it isnt as necessary but for me personally doing 57-60 I was hitting live targets when the good undead spots were camped, and for fear kiting it is much more effective. Speaking of fear kiting, staff of the dreaded gaze didnt get much mileage for me but if you ever want to solo kill your own dragon as a necro (Yeldema) then it is super useful. Just a fun thing to say you did.

[fortior]

I didn't expect that staff to be useful at all considering fear costs so little mana, but glad to hear it's good for that. I'm getting the bracer when possible, but focusing on epic/vp staff first.

[Vivitron]

31/tick (demi lich) + 21/tick (max meditate at 58) = 52/tick.
Bone bracelet of condemnation = 15 second cast for a 500DD which gives it an opportunity cost of 104 mana (2 ticks) at least.
Deflux = 3 second cast so you won't miss a tick if you're able to sit down (if you aren't, a 15 second cast isn't going well for you either) at 198 mana.

I think the bone bracelet would be incredibly good on any class that's not necro or enchanter. Mana 'free' but extremely long casting DDs feel less useful on a class that already swims in mana. That's just my opinion though, I'm not even 60 yet. I bet it's very nice while leveling since it's just a better JBB. Happy to reconsider if someone with more experience has used it at higher levels. Keep in mind that it's a 0 resist mod nuke though.

You only want to count the difference between sit and stand; you aren't losing lich mana. So call it ~20/tick mana from not medding and ~6/tick hp from not sitting (Iksar 50+ value). 2 ticks lost compared to a deflux, so only ~40 mana and ~12 hp -- which puts you +158 mana compared to casting deflux if you didn't need the hp. 2.5 ticks on average compared to just medding through, assuming you don't time the cast with your ticks, so ~50 mana / ~15 hp cost in general.

I recently got one on my necro that I haven't had a chance to play with but I'm looking forward to it. I'm not sure how well I'll be able to work it into fear kiting (will mobs still be in los and casting range in 15s?), but I've had times charming or grouping (if they can accept the illusion) where it would have been useful.

[fortior]

Oh yeah, you're right, duh. Shows what I know. Yeah it seems nice in a group where a mob is tanked or something.

[Toxigen]

i mean the stats are pretty damn juicy anyway

but yeah just get Druushk staff and you're done...its so insanely good...god tier if ya got beads

[fortior]

Can't afford to buy a full VP key MQ so just doing the camps like a noob but yeah, that's next on the list after epic (I know necro epic isn't great but I like completing epics)

[Crede]

Can't afford to buy a full VP key MQ so just doing the camps like a noob but yeah, that's next on the list after epic (I know necro epic isn't great but I like completing epics)

Epic sucks. Just get zheart. And I have 11 epics. I just didn’t bother with necro one.

[Toxigen]

yeah necro epic is pretty much a waste of time....even more so than any other eq activity

[fortior]

Getting epics is fun and I've already got most of it, already got zheart, cos, etc etc. Getting vp staff next but I figured it'd be fun to get some key pieces while xping/charming in those areas

[Sonolin]

Necro clicky fear staff.. used in neriak on trolls and ogres from 53+-60... Fear forever pet dots zzzzz was in trash gear. Weird buggy pathing, was a snooze grind.

Yea I used to have this on live back in the day, was so much fun. To each their own though - it does take forever to cast IIRC.

[noleriand]

Plug for Words_of_Darkness (https://wiki.project1999.com/Words_of_Darkness) for instant 'travel lich' that will last when you zone, in addition to being a solid global cooldown item on its own.

Necro planar wands are actually pretty nice. Wand_of_Souls (https://wiki.project1999.com/Wand_of_Souls) is ~1k in instant lifetaps when full, and Wand_of_Darkness (https://wiki.project1999.com/Wand_of_Darkness) is pretty much just an instant cast epic that you have to recharge.

Staff_of_the_Dreaded_Gaze (https://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_the_Dreaded_Gaze) *is* one of the only ways to reduce the mana cost (increase efficiency) of a fear kiting leveling strategy, but for bigger things like Neze or WW dragons I still find that I have a fear mem'd for when it inevitably breaks early.

Nightshade_Scented_Staff (https://wiki.project1999.com/Nightshade_Scented_Staff) has an (I think?) one-of-a-kind graphic with an Iksar skull? S tier fashion, more-or-less F-tier click.

If you actually play your necro and understand math, Bone_Bracelet_of_Condemnation (https://wiki.project1999.com/Bone_Bracelet_of_Condemnation) is amazing. 500dmg in 15s is 200dmg a tick, stacks on top of all your other dots, and only costs your meditation mana (~40 mana, because you don't have to sit to get lich mana). You aren't going to find ways to use it while tanking like you do with a JBB, but you're a necro and you are probably tap tanking for higher DPS anyway.

The Manna_Robe (https://wiki.project1999.com/Manna_Robe) paired with soul well and beads allows for a very active form of mana regeneration where you come out about 15 mana/tick ahead for no net loss of hp as Iksar (just costs your sanity, and you don't get the full 20 on average due to the time it takes to cycle beads + soulwell). Pair it with FT8, GoB, PotG, and bard song, and you are hitting 101 mana/tick on your successful robe ticks.

Abashi%27s_Rod_of_Disempowerment (https://wiki.project1999.com/Abashi%27s_Rod_of_Disempowerment) was probably not worth the effort and is a symbol of just how badly I wasted the tail end of my 20's, but what's done is done, I love the lore behind it, and it is actually a unique and valuable effect that you can right click from inventory. Abashi was a GM/dev/whatever who played a PvP necro and tried to fight a wizard, who just instantly pumice-stone'd off his dots - and Abashi proceeded to have poison and disease dot mechanics changed so that they cannot be dispeled. [Source: literally just some EQ apocrypha on the internet]. Bottom line is that you never have to 1v1 something that is hasted, sow'd, DS'd, HP or MR buffed ever again and since it only dispels beneficial effects (buffs), your own dots are safe.

[Crede]

Plug for Words_of_Darkness (https://wiki.project1999.com/Words_of_Darkness) for instant 'travel lich' that will last when you zone, in addition to being a solid global cooldown item on its own.

Necro planar wands are actually pretty nice. Wand_of_Souls (https://wiki.project1999.com/Wand_of_Souls) is ~1k in instant lifetaps when full, and Wand_of_Darkness (https://wiki.project1999.com/Wand_of_Darkness) is pretty much just an instant cast epic that you have to recharge.

Staff_of_the_Dreaded_Gaze (https://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_the_Dreaded_Gaze) *is* one of the only ways to reduce the mana cost (increase efficiency) of a fear kiting leveling strategy, but for bigger things like Neze or WW dragons I still find that I have a fear mem'd for when it inevitably breaks early.

Nightshade_Scented_Staff (https://wiki.project1999.com/Nightshade_Scented_Staff) has an (I think?) one-of-a-kind graphic with an Iksar skull? S tier fashion, more-or-less F-tier click.

If you actually play your necro and understand math, Bone_Bracelet_of_Condemnation (https://wiki.project1999.com/Bone_Bracelet_of_Condemnation) is amazing. 500dmg in 15s is 200dmg a tick, stacks on top of all your other dots, and only costs your meditation mana (~40 mana, because you don't have to sit to get lich mana). You aren't going to find ways to use it while tanking like you do with a JBB, but you're a necro and you are probably tap tanking for higher DPS anyway.

The Manna_Robe (https://wiki.project1999.com/Manna_Robe) paired with soul well and beads allows for a very active form of mana regeneration where you come out about 15 mana/tick ahead for no net loss of hp as Iksar (just costs your sanity, and you don't get the full 20 on average due to the time it takes to cycle beads + soulwell). Pair it with FT8, GoB, PotG, and bard song, and you are hitting 101 mana/tick on your successful robe ticks.

Abashi%27s_Rod_of_Disempowerment (https://wiki.project1999.com/Abashi%27s_Rod_of_Disempowerment) was probably not worth the effort and is a symbol of just how badly I wasted the tail end of my 20's, but what's done is done, I love the lore behind it, and it is actually a unique and valuable effect that you can right click from inventory. Abashi was a GM/dev/whatever who played a PvP necro and tried to fight a wizard, who just instantly pumice-stone'd off his dots - and Abashi proceeded to have poison and disease dot mechanics changed so that they cannot be dispeled. [Source: literally just some EQ apocrypha on the internet]. Bottom line is that you never have to 1v1 something that is hasted, sow'd, DS'd, HP or MR buffed ever again and since it only dispels beneficial effects (buffs), your own dots are safe.

Oh man I always wondered how many necros had abashi. Prob a lot of butt hurt monks on that one, gg tho lol.

[fortior]

Plug for Words_of_Darkness (https://wiki.project1999.com/Words_of_Darkness) for instant 'travel lich' that will last when you zone, in addition to being a solid global cooldown item on its own.

Necro planar wands are actually pretty nice. Wand_of_Souls (https://wiki.project1999.com/Wand_of_Souls) is ~1k in instant lifetaps when full, and Wand_of_Darkness (https://wiki.project1999.com/Wand_of_Darkness) is pretty much just an instant cast epic that you have to recharge.

Staff_of_the_Dreaded_Gaze (https://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_the_Dreaded_Gaze) *is* one of the only ways to reduce the mana cost (increase efficiency) of a fear kiting leveling strategy, but for bigger things like Neze or WW dragons I still find that I have a fear mem'd for when it inevitably breaks early.

Nightshade_Scented_Staff (https://wiki.project1999.com/Nightshade_Scented_Staff) has an (I think?) one-of-a-kind graphic with an Iksar skull? S tier fashion, more-or-less F-tier click.

If you actually play your necro and understand math, Bone_Bracelet_of_Condemnation (https://wiki.project1999.com/Bone_Bracelet_of_Condemnation) is amazing. 500dmg in 15s is 200dmg a tick, stacks on top of all your other dots, and only costs your meditation mana (~40 mana, because you don't have to sit to get lich mana). You aren't going to find ways to use it while tanking like you do with a JBB, but you're a necro and you are probably tap tanking for higher DPS anyway.

The Manna_Robe (https://wiki.project1999.com/Manna_Robe) paired with soul well and beads allows for a very active form of mana regeneration where you come out about 15 mana/tick ahead for no net loss of hp as Iksar (just costs your sanity, and you don't get the full 20 on average due to the time it takes to cycle beads + soulwell). Pair it with FT8, GoB, PotG, and bard song, and you are hitting 101 mana/tick on your successful robe ticks.

Abashi%27s_Rod_of_Disempowerment (https://wiki.project1999.com/Abashi%27s_Rod_of_Disempowerment) was probably not worth the effort and is a symbol of just how badly I wasted the tail end of my 20's, but what's done is done, I love the lore behind it, and it is actually a unique and valuable effect that you can right click from inventory. Abashi was a GM/dev/whatever who played a PvP necro and tried to fight a wizard, who just instantly pumice-stone'd off his dots - and Abashi proceeded to have poison and disease dot mechanics changed so that they cannot be dispeled. [Source: literally just some EQ apocrypha on the internet]. Bottom line is that you never have to 1v1 something that is hasted, sow'd, DS'd, HP or MR buffed ever again and since it only dispels beneficial effects (buffs), your own dots are safe.

Alright, I'm sold on the bracer, but I'm not grinding out the DKP for an abashi's :p

[Iksar_Knight001]

The VP staff is the true necro epic.

Which staff is this? Not that I’d ever get it

[Toxigen]

Which staff is this? Not that I’d ever get it

https://wiki.project1999.com/Soul_Well