Question for p99 vets

[Seducio]

Does anyone know who among the p99 CSR team or the p99 dev team is the primary administrator is for the P1999 forums currently?

Thanks

[booter]

that's a good question. i've reported specific posts that have actual racism or anti-semitism to a few green names via PM and most of the time nothing is even done

[magnetaress]

Menden used to show up around here :p

I think he had the saurons eye for a time, or that was another guy i forget. It has been a long time !

I liked both, even tho they banned me unfairly imo

[unsunghero]

No idea, I don’t even know how to report anything

[Toxigen]

that's a good question. i've reported specific posts that have actual racism or anti-semitism to a few green names via PM and most of the time nothing is even done

lmao

[Evia]

Imagine volunteering to be the morality police

[Seducio]

Imagine volunteering to be the morality police

Four years of modern college does that to almost everyone that goes unless they enjoy reading on their own thereby gaining the ability to see through the framework they were taught.

The reason I asked the question to vets of this forum is because I recently asked a Senior Guide who was the administrator of this forum and did not get an answer.

That gave me the indication that either nobody is currently in charge of these forums or that whoever is in charge isn't active.

[Ooloo]

that's a good question. i've reported specific posts that have actual racism or anti-semitism to a few green names via PM and most of the time nothing is even done

Maybe they disagreed that whatever you were reporting broke a rule?

Just throwing it out there

[Seducio]

Maybe they disagreed that whatever you were reporting broke a rule?

Just throwing it out there

The rules as enforced differ from what is written I believe is the point. Nothing new under the sun really, but more noticeable these days. It's a bit hard to know what the rules actually are since enforcement is relatively selective, private, and often not in complete accordance with the written rules. The rules could be updated to reflect the current administrators goal of p99 forums if they could actually be reached.

Thus it doesn't surprise me if folks are confused, possibly including the mods, as what rules are to be followed. Follow the leader might be hard in the absence of one.

[Lune]

I can only imagine moderating this place. It's mostly insane drivel, there are only like 10 people, but they're insanely prolific, and about 8 of them would be outspoken racists if it didn't result in an occasional vacation. So they're dog whistle racists/bigots. But wait, they also veeerryyy sloowlly push the boundaries until there is a purge. Rinse/repeat. Yikes.

https://i.imgur.com/eJqaLBr.gif

[Seducio]

I'm more thinking about toward the future. The public facing p99 website and public facing p99 forum might need to become more welcoming overall if the p99 team wants to compete going forward. This includes forum moderation that isn't currently happening. P99 is no longer the only game in town.

If these forums focused more on EQ community, P1999 community, and Gaming topic only type spaces to communicate with other folks interested in p99 I would enjoy it better then it's current setup. The 10 people you mentioned might disagree with me about that though and that's ok. Some appear to use this site as a therapist or friend as best as I can tell and that is ok I guess it doesn't cost them anything. There are only a few trained medical professionals on this site though, mostly unknown because of privacy, so the exchange is more peer to peer than anything that could be described as therapeutic in a clinical sense.

Many gaming companies/orgs decide to keep their forums relatively on topic to avoid drama that can distract from the games community that is being built. P99 forums instead has a community with RnF and a percentage of Off Topic which is essentially RnF that appears wholly disconnected from the game Everquest. These forums have survived many bouts of drama and political acrimony which have turned off everyone except for the 10 people Lune mentioned. RnF doesn't seem needed anymore in the era of Social Media. Social media is designed for RnF in ways this forum could never be without major programming changes to the forums code and design.

Updating the rules and enforcing them in a transparent manner in an environment with new competitive EQ Emu servers entering the scene would encourage more people to play P1999 and feel welcome here. Currently with the competition that is now out there the marketing of this server and how it differentiates itself might matter in the future more than it appears to matter now.

With all respect to many of those here, I am more interested learning about different and cool ways to play EQ from folks/vets that have been playing it for over two decades than I am interested in debating politics with other EQ players.

I can find more appropriate venues to do that.

[unsunghero]

The 10 people you mentioned might disagree with me about that though and that's ok

There’s less than 10 people that post on this forum lol

You’re a good guy, Seducio

[Lune]

Off topic was among the slowest subforums for like 90% of the life of P99. The death of all the other subforums has more to do with demographics and Discord use than anything else, imo. There just aren't a lot of bright eyed, bushy-tailed, ignorant newbies anymore running around asking questions. Of the people left playing P99, I would guess many are die-hard veterans, soloists, or not deeply embedded enough in P99 culture to bother with the forums.

I doubt removing the only semi-active subforum left on the site would cause the other subforums, on a slowly dying emulator, to spring to life. If I had to guess, by this point, EQ emus have captured about all the market they are ever going to capture, outside a few young stragglers that wander in.

If P99 really wants to compete it can restart green and segue blue into custom content or a customized Luclin that doesn't deprecate all of Norrath, or something.

[unsunghero]

With all respect to many of those here, I am more interested learning about different and cool ways to play EQ from folks/vets that have been playing it for over two decades than I am interested in debating politics with other EQ players.

I can find more appropriate venues to do that.

The problem with a lot of forums are they are either too large or have downvotes/upvotes, IMO

Too large of a forum and conversations get lost and buried under hundreds of replies

Downvotes/upvotes are trash, simply encouraging bandwagon bullying to silence opposing viewpoints. Whichever side has more people downvotes any dissenting opinion into oblivion

[unsunghero]

If this forum did get shut down I would miss the 40yr old men crusade-spamming the exact same line hundreds of times per week until they have some sort of a mild mental health breakdown over it and give themselves a break

Not calling myself perfect either. I’ve said many times that I feed off attention, and this forum gives it to me. The less attention I get here, the more I wither and die IRL. I dread the day I have to rely on only my more tame family friendly Facebook posts

Maybe I’ll start an IG next…do people shitpost there?

Edit: I know people that don’t like me will suggest 4chan. I’ve looked at it, and I can only read it for a few minutes before I want to throw up. Them dudes be gross…

[Lune]

btw, if this place ever goes under, Bay 12 Games (Dwarf Fortress) has a pretty bumpin' off topic, old style vbulletin type forum. Not quite as entertaining though, as they're about 5 years behind this place in the descent into madness.

[unsunghero]

Hmm I wonder if I could get the 4chan degenerates to come out of their basements into the sunlight and get a job, exercise, date, and socialize

I think I could if I could spend time with them IRL. But if I tried too hard on their forum I’d probably be just some pariah

But they truly are the Lost Boys of our time that no one really cares about

[unsunghero]

btw, if this place ever goes under, Bay 12 Games (Dwarf Fortress) has a pretty bumpin' off topic, old style vbulletin type forum. Not quite as entertaining though, as they're about 5 years behind this place in the descent into madness.

Good 2 know

[Elizondo]

that's a good question. i've reported specific posts that have actual racism or anti-semitism to a few green names via PM and most of the time nothing is even done

lol

[magnetaress]

Don't worry. Pretty soon we'll get AI mods that will be infallible :p

😇😁 *cackles like Mr Heston mittens internally*

[Toxigen]

I'm more thinking about toward the future. The public facing p99 website and public facing p99 forum might need to become more welcoming overall if the p99 team wants to compete going forward. This includes forum moderation that isn't currently happening. P99 is no longer the only game in town.

If these forums focused more on EQ community, P1999 community, and Gaming topic only type spaces to communicate with other folks interested in p99 I would enjoy it better then it's current setup. The 10 people you mentioned might disagree with me about that though and that's ok. Some appear to use this site as a therapist or friend as best as I can tell and that is ok I guess it doesn't cost them anything. There are only a few trained medical professionals on this site though, mostly unknown because of privacy, so the exchange is more peer to peer than anything that could be described as therapeutic in a clinical sense.

Many gaming companies/orgs decide to keep their forums relatively on topic to avoid drama that can distract from the games community that is being built. P99 forums instead has a community with RnF and a percentage of Off Topic which is essentially RnF that appears wholly disconnected from the game Everquest. These forums have survived many bouts of drama and political acrimony which have turned off everyone except for the 10 people Lune mentioned. RnF doesn't seem needed anymore in the era of Social Media. Social media is designed for RnF in ways this forum could never be without major programming changes to the forums code and design.

Updating the rules and enforcing them in a transparent manner in an environment with new competitive EQ Emu servers entering the scene would encourage more people to play P1999 and feel welcome here. Currently with the competition that is now out there the marketing of this server and how it differentiates itself might matter in the future more than it appears to matter now.

With all respect to many of those here, I am more interested learning about different and cool ways to play EQ from folks/vets that have been playing it for over two decades than I am interested in debating politics with other EQ players.

I can find more appropriate venues to do that.

nobody cares hope this helps

[silo32]

This forum use to be amazing. Most moved to private channels and the good posters hurt some ones feel feels banned and retired. What's, left is the same liberal retards and social justice warriors. Been dead for years.

It's over for most bbs since discord

[Seducio]

nobody cares hope this helps

If you are talking about P1999 very few do and you are mostly right. If you mean RL I'd say it depends on who you are with.

[Botten]

This forum use to be amazing. Most moved to private channels and the good posters hurt some ones feel feels banned and retired. What's, left is the same liberal retards and social justice warriors. Been dead for years.

It's over for most bbs since discord

The Popular vote for president has widened in margin every election period.

But population has little meaning unless it is occurring in a more blue direction in popular conservative states.

And that is exactly what is happening. With population centers getting bigger in each of these red states they are becoming more progressive; more adaptive - more accepting.

Sorry you want to live in an unchanging society but your values aren't shared by popular opinion.

In a way your mental labels fit yourself as you in fact become less normalized. :D

[Seducio]

Both silo32 and Botten would get their asses kicked in real life if they talked to an adult like that.

[Seducio]

Which is literally the point. Polarization means you can't think. You've been divided, you've been conquered. Trained to point fingers at each other. The moneyed elites who pay for both the Rs and the Ds love you both.

[Botten]

Both sides aren't equal and that is more of a said clique when the R side needs another do over.

The game is fun and forums are informative.

If the political talk gets out of hand then rules are enforced and some lose their soapboxes.

Are you looking to be a mod then I say go for it and apply.

[Toxigen]

id willingly go in the ring vs botten and booter 1 v 2

[Homesteaded]

Ahh yes the sane and rational Libs portray their counterparts as evil.

Meanwhile they push mutilating children and replacing actual teaching with ideological indoctrination of homosexual lifestyles.

Saying we shouldn't fund, and consume valuable time in school with this is hatful and causes actual harm.

You guys remember when TED was cool? Captured, woke nonsense now. Way to go. Same thing that happens here. Intolerant left cries and silences opposition. Toll stations await.

[Seducio]

Trained to point fingers at each other.

My point, which doesn't seem to be connecting and that is ok, is that it seems folks posting about politics on this elf sim forum are basically giving themself dopamine hits of confirmation bias. They are expressing trained responses to trained inputs. The folks with different polarized politics respond in kind. A predictable crossfire begins. It's like a tennis match that doesn't stop but doesn't help anyone except the person who thinks they'll win the argument in that fleeting feeling of being 'right' when they hit the post button. This of course ends up looking like a trained input that will then generate the opposing sides trained input.

I don't understand why so many can't see through that.

It's informative the first few times you see the interaction if you can tease out the pattern, but overall I don't find it that informative after seeing play out again and again and again. Rather I find it as a means to figure out if a person is trapped in a particular ideology.

[Ooloo]

I can only imagine moderating this place. It's mostly insane drivel, there are only like 10 people, but they're insanely prolific, and about 8 of them would be outspoken racists if it didn't result in an occasional vacation. So they're dog whistle racists/bigots. But wait, they also veeerryyy sloowlly push the boundaries until there is a purge. Rinse/repeat. Yikes.

https://i.imgur.com/eJqaLBr.gif

The only dude I've seen who is racist is that guy who is now banned who rants about jewish people all the time. I literally can't think of any other poster who I'd consider covertly racist much less openly racist. Also nice mind reading trick: "sure nobody here is saying anything racist but I know they really arrrrrreee!!!"

By far the most alarming trend here to me is the weird quasi-religious biblical stuff that some people will just go into these crazy long tangents about. I still don't know if it's genuine or not but it doesn't really matter. And whatever sadre is.

[Origen]

Toxigen is pretty openly racist. So is Homesteaded.

There's a few covert ones too, Ben Shapiro fan, but I prefer them to think they're clever.

[aussenseiter]

There's a few covert ones too, Ben Shapiro fan, but I prefer them to think they're clever.

I didn't know you were into crypto. :p

[Ooloo]

Toxigen is pretty openly racist. So is Homesteaded.

There's a few covert ones too, Ben Shapiro fan, but I prefer them to think they're clever.

Tell me how you can tell a "covert" racist from a regular one?

Ben Shapiro isn't a racist, neither is matt walsh. I know you think they are, and yet they aren't. How am I to reconcile these facts?

[Evia]

Racism is a serious thing and yall are making the word lose all meaning when you throw it around inaccurately. "Ohhh this guy doesn't agree with me he must be racist!11!"

The only racism I see daily is white racism. Because society says that's ok to do.

Judging anyone based off the color of their skin is racism. Not someone you don't like.

[Lune]

Being against millions of illegal immigrants flooding across the border - not racist

Wanting bigotry-against-whites to calm down a bit - not racist

Teaching students about things like slavery - not racist

why aren't those kids in school or at home hanging out with their fathers, or volunteering at a charity?

You know, building character and learning life skills from upstanding and responsible citizens?

mystery mystery
you know exactly why black culture is the way it is, its just really uncomfortable for your liberal beta-man brain, so instead of growing the balls to admit they are their own problem, you would rather blame your own race, because you're a cowardly cuck boy.

- at least slightly racist

[aussenseiter]

Teaching students about things like slavery - not racist

Even if you teach them the Corwin Amendment?

[Seducio]

Tell me how you can tell a "covert" racist from a regular one

Funny how this thread devolved into politics like many do that don't start that way. This might be my last post of the thread as it has shifted to different topic.

To answer your question it really has to do with framework of understanding. A human typically adopts the following models for racism and then applies them to reality. This makes it so two different people with different frameworks talk past each other with purposeful triggering language. It's a version of 'Beautiful Trouble' to shift the Overton window by making everyone upset with each other while the elites change the rules.

Here are the frameworks most Americans view racism with from most popular to least popular:

1. Content of Character - MLK's Colorblind framework - is fashionable amongst conservatives and old school liberals. The idea is not that a human does not see race/color, but rather is taught not to judge others by immutable characteristics and rather to judge them by their character. It is individualistic.

2. Systemic Racism - Ie. CRT: Critical Race Theory - is fashionable amongst progressives, academics, and elites of the D party. The idea is that society is oppressive to black people and 'people of color' (a relatively new term) in general and so nearly everything in society is 'White Supremacy' which create this alleged oppression. Therefore even people who deny being racist are covertly acting racist. It's collectivist.

3. Segregationism - A old 'separate but equal' model that fell out of fashion in the 60s and yet is making a comeback due to a progressive embrace of 'black only' or 'poc only' spaces at universities. Meanwhile there has always been an extreme element of the conservative movement that still embraces segregation in remote parts of the country. Typically tied Xenophobia and Tribalism. It's localism.

4. I don't care/Racism doesn't matter - This model used to far more popular than it currently is. Essentially those in the Systemic Racism camp used the phrase 'Silence is Violence' during the George Floyd protest to get people emotionally whipped up and into the streets that typically don't care about politics. After they did that it became difficult to fall back into that camp again. Those that don't care about racism are still around and there are many of them. It's the privilege of living in modernity.

When anyone from any of these four models interacts with anyone from one of the other models sparks fly because the definition of racism will differ for all of them.

[Origen]

Tell me how you can tell a "covert" racist from a regular one?

Ben Shapiro isn't a racist, neither is matt walsh. I know you think they are, and yet they aren't. How am I to reconcile these facts?I'm not giving you tips on how to conceal right wing racism, but I will summarize by saying you all do a really shitty job.

Hope this does not help!

[magnetaress]

Funny how this thread devolved into politics like many do that don't start that way. This might be my last post of the thread as it has shifted to different topic.

To answer your question it really has to do with framework of understanding. A human typically adopts the following models for racism and then applies them to reality. This makes it so two different people with different frameworks talk past each other with purposeful triggering language. It's a version of 'Beautiful Trouble' to shift the Overton window by making everyone upset with each other while the elites change the rules.

Here are the frameworks most Americans view racism with from most popular to least popular:

1. Content of Character - MLK's Colorblind framework - is fashionable amongst conservatives and old school liberals. The idea is not that a human does not see race/color, but rather is taught not to judge others by immutable characteristics and rather to judge them by their character. It is individualistic.

2. Systemic Racism - Ie. CRT: Critical Race Theory - is fashionable amongst progressives, academics, and elites of the D party. The idea is that society is oppressive to black people and 'people of color' (a relatively new term) in general and so nearly everything in society is 'White Supremacy' which create this alleged oppression. Therefore even people who deny being racist are covertly acting racist. It's collectivist.

3. Segregationism - A old 'separate but equal' model that fell out of fashion in the 60s and yet is making a comeback due to a progressive embrace of 'black only' or 'poc only' spaces at universities. Meanwhile there has always been an extreme element of the conservative movement that still embraces segregation in remote parts of the country. Typically tied Xenophobia and Tribalism. It's localism.

4. I don't care/Racism doesn't matter - This model used to far more popular than it currently is. Essentially those in the Systemic Racism camp used the phrase 'Silence is Violence' during the George Floyd protest to get people emotionally whipped up and into the streets that typically don't care about politics. After they did that it became difficult to fall back into that camp again. Those that don't care about racism are still around and there are many of them. It's the privilege of living in modernity.

When anyone from any of these four models interacts with anyone from one of the other models sparks fly because the definition of racism will differ for all of them.

What am I. I want a new culture not based on race, butt individual excellence, where you die if you're a monster or idiot who is blatantly animalistic, deceitful, needlessly aggressive, selfish and undisciplined.

[Seducio]

What am I.

Whatever you want to be.

[unsunghero]

Judging anyone based off the color of their skin is racism. Not someone you don't like.

You are far behind the times

We started with this idea, then Martin Luther King moved us into a colorblindness "content of their character" judgement era, what I like to think as the golden years

Now, colorblindness IS back to being considered racist. We are required to have a presupposition of every person based on a their race in the form of collection of stereotypes regarding their "LiVeD ExPeRiEnCes" which are defined by Universities and then fed to the media

So when I first see someone, if I notice they are [x] race, I should have a pre-packed set of assumptions about their life. Even if they tell me something that contradicts these assumptions, we are not to drop the assumptions. For example, if I see a black person, I should assume they've had a harder life than me. If, in the process of getting to know them, I discover that they were born rich and have always been rich, this should NOT change my assumption about their life being difficult. I will then just switch to another stereotype about society's views about black people and use that as my justification on how difficult their life is

[Origen]

You are far behind the times

We started with this idea, then Martin Luther King moved us into a colorblindness "content of their character" judgement era, what I like to think as the golden years

Now, colorblindness IS back to being considered racist. We are required to have a presupposition of every person based on a their race in the form of collection of stereotypes regarding their "LiVeD ExPeRiEnCes" which are defined by Universities and then fed to the media

So when I first see someone, if I notice they are [x] race, I should have a pre-packed set of assumptions about their life. Even if they tell me something that contradicts these assumptions, we are not to drop the assumptions. For example, if I see a black person, I should assume they've had a harder life than me. If, in the process of getting to know them, I discover that they were born rich and have always been rich, this should NOT change my assumption about their life being difficult. I will then just switch to another stereotype about society's views about black people and use that as my justification on how difficult their life ishttps://i.imgur.com/ysaOFuN.jpeg

[magnetaress]

Whatever you want to be.

I guess... authoritarian. Butt in action and practice. Pretty much don't get involved and I let other ppl tell me how to vote. How I feel. Doesn't necessarily align with my circumstances or capacity.

[unsunghero]

https://i.imgur.com/ysaOFuN.jpeg

Is it your struggle with diction that makes you need to use other people's words to try to get a point across?

Just do what all the other lazies do who can't think for themselves and use AI lol

BTW, that meme doesn't apply to what I said, but I'm sure it's a banger on reddit

[aussenseiter]

https://i.imgur.com/ysaOFuN.jpeg

Did they consider moving the meeting to a larger, different room that isn't hermetically sealed, or maybe outside?

I'm a Problem Solvers Caucus.

[unsunghero]

For Rob, since he's too dumb to understand why his plagiarized quote doesn't apply:

"Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome"

- Do you see how Rob's stolen quote starts with the word "equality"?

Equality would be colorblindness, the concept I was mentioning. Equity would be the "recognition of different circumstances" (this is before those differences are even discovered, aka pre-packed set of stereotypes), the concept Rob wants to push

But the dude didn't even understand the word "vanish" when I used it a while back, so this isn't surprising

[Origen]

Pretty funny for a manchild whose entire ideology is sourced from memes

[unsunghero]

Pretty funny for a manchild whose entire ideology is sourced from memes

True I do love me some memes, fair enough

[Botten]

Ahh yes the sane and rational Libs portray their counterparts as evil.

Meanwhile they push mutilating children and replacing actual teaching with ideological indoctrination of homosexual lifestyles.

Saying we shouldn't fund, and consume valuable time in school with this is hatful and causes actual harm.

You guys remember when TED was cool? Captured, woke nonsense now. Way to go. Same thing that happens here. Intolerant left cries and silences opposition. Toll stations await.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/SHSM_up_arrow_for_guide_signs.svg/573px-SHSM_up_arrow_for_guide_signs.svg.png

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3221157&postcount=19

You can't fix stupid.

[Seducio]

Thanks for the link, Botten. If you zoom out into that whole thread, look how lively and how many different folks were posting on these boards in 2020 compared to now.

[magnetaress]

Thanks for the link, Botten. If you zoom out into that whole thread, look how lively and how many different folks were posting on these boards in 2020 compared to now.

I feel like most of the ppl in that thread just moved on to TAKP, wow hardcore, or probably even PQ now.

A few solid games came out in the last two years too

It's less of a forums bad situation and more of a p99 is past its own half-life situation. A few actually probably got old and died. All of these things accounts for like 8 ppl.

Zoomers aren't going to be able to handle long form TLDR threads with boomer and gen X refs. So it's very unlikely p99 will be able to replace its losses. In this regard.

[Seducio]

It's less of a forums bad situation and more of a p99 is past its own half-life situation.

You are on to something here. But we all know how this place could revive itself. It just isn't clear if the will to do that is there.

[Botten]

Thanks for the link, Botten. If you zoom out into that whole thread, look how lively and how many different folks were posting on these boards in 2020 compared to now.

You had a lot to say.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3261670&postcount=80

Where is that Seducio?

Very colorful, very animated.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3261630&postcount=73

You cast those rocks nicely.

You fit well in this off topic forum.

https://media.tenor.com/Rr_b74hIyC0AAAAC/homer-simpson-bart-simpson.gif

[Seducio]

This forum use to be amazing. Most moved to private channels and the good posters hurt some ones feel feels banned and retired. What's, left is the same liberal retards and social justice warriors. Been dead for years.

It's over for most bbs since discord

The Popular vote for president has widened in margin every election period.

But population has little meaning unless it is occurring in a more blue direction in popular conservative states.

And that is exactly what is happening. With population centers getting bigger in each of these red states they are becoming more progressive; more adaptive - more accepting.

Sorry you want to live in an unchanging society but your values aren't shared by popular opinion.

In a way your mental labels fit yourself as you in fact become less normalized. :D

Both silo32 and Botten would get their asses kicked in real life if they talked to an adult like that.

Some gain awareness that talking to real life people is different than talking to folks online.

[magnetaress]

You are on to something here. But we all know how this place could revive itself. It just isn't clear if the will to do that is there.

I feel like it has a lot to do with the entrenched populations of players on both blue and green. Especially since they mostly pull from the same pool. For example a lot of green players are basically blues who've already been here a decade.

And the prevailing attitude at end game is "lets be as disruptive and controlling as possible"... very little RP and beer and chips while we camp FBSS with the newbz.

I mean it still happens. Butt more rarely than on live! Heck. I am guilty as charged. I used to make it a daily mission to round up newbies and go do efreeti, lord, magus, frenzy etc back in like post pop days on live with my lvl 85 cleric... than mercs came around...things changed. I changed. Last time I played on green I took a newb cleric into befallen only to see it getting bard swarmed to lvl some rando without a grp... the ppl where very antisocial and west side story so I bounced...

Same with my ranger and lvl 40+ players farming crags and they would pull all of the carrion spiders too just because they could even tho they saw me exping. I wouldn't mind them killing the crags butt they took everything.

I spent an hr one night getting 3 other ppl to go to sola with me and there was like 2 ppl in zone deep and away. We set up and cleared a few mobs only to have like 5 different high levels timing respawns come in and kill everything and ALSO train us wiping us 3x. And I set up the group back by the solb zl. Out of the way

It's not worth the time frapsing and lawyering on p99 either. It shouldn't be hard for these players to recieve attitude adjustments butt whatever..


I logged off and loaded up minecraft for a few months. And I posted less too.

Anyways.

The community could "be better" butt it's 2023 and “I Really Don’t Care, Do U?”

Lol. Plz don't read this as me upset and whining. Just dropping facts and anecdotes!

It will all improve as population drops and ppl get lonely maybe lol.

[Seducio]

The community could "be better" butt it's 2023 and “I Really Don’t Care, Do U?”

Out of respect for what the devs built here. I have enjoyed this place for so many freaking hours it's only commensurate of my time here to have respect for the place. P1999 is an impressive and important part of EQ history. I'm worried about it's legacy if it doesn't shore up certain things that could alter how folks remember it.

I have had jobs and even mini careers where I stuck around for the 'people'. EQ catches me in a different way. I stay here not because of any person but because there isn't anything like it. Live moved on and outside of emulation there is no other way to peek back into late last millennium of EQ gaming than here or a couple other servers.

Nilbog, Rogean, Haydar, Telin, the names go on and on and it's regretful that I miss any. The CSR team, Menden now plus Medris and others. Even folks from the past. Uthgaard. Sirken. Braknar. Nowadays Mortecom, Stigion, Visceryn. So many working behind the scenes over time. For no money all out of love of the game.

If the movie is about to end and the credit scene hasn't been done what are we left with. A field of dreams was built and we all were able to enjoy it.

[Botten]

Some gain awareness that talking to real life people is different than talking to folks online.

https://media.makeameme.org/created/excellent-youre-one.jpg

[Seducio]

-qdvm6h8WKg

[Botten]

Out of respect for what the devs built here. I have enjoyed this place for so many freaking hours it's only commensurate of my time here to have respect for the place. P1999 is an impressive and important part of EQ history. I'm worried about it's legacy if it doesn't shore up certain things that could alter how folks remember it.

I have had jobs and even mini careers where I stuck around for the 'people'. EQ catches me in a different way. I stay here not because of any person but because there isn't anything like it. Live moved on and outside of emulation there is no other way to peek back into late last millennium of EQ gaming than here or a couple other servers.

Nilbog, Rogean, Haydar, Telin, the names go on and on and it's regretful that I miss any. The CSR team, Menden now plus Medris and others. Even folks from the past. Uthgaard. Sirken. Braknar. Nowadays Mortecom, Stigion, Visceryn. So many working behind the scenes over time. For no money all out of love of the game.

If the movie is about to end and the credit scene hasn't been done what are we left with. A field of dreams was built and we all were able to enjoy it.

My account is just as old as yours.

And when you are around as long as us you see the same people talking to each other.

Only you would know them as starkind.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3341813&postcount=17

[magnetaress]

Out of respect for what the devs built here. I have enjoyed this place for so many freaking hours it's only commensurate of my time here to have respect for the place. P1999 is an impressive and important part of EQ history. I'm worried about it's legacy if it doesn't shore up certain things that could alter how folks remember it.

I have had jobs and even mini careers where I stuck around for the 'people'. EQ catches me in a different way. I stay here not because of any person but because there isn't anything like it. Live moved on and outside of emulation there is no other way to peek back into late last millennium of EQ gaming than here or a couple other servers.

Nilbog, Rogean, Haydar, Telin, the names go on and on and it's regretful that I miss any. The CSR team, Menden now plus Medris and others. Even folks from the past. Uthgaard. Sirken. Braknar. Nowadays Mortecom, Stigion, Visceryn. So many working behind the scenes over time. For no money all out of love of the game.

If the movie is about to end and the credit scene hasn't been done what are we left with. A field of dreams was built and we all were able to enjoy it.

Yeah. I like that sentiment. I have way more great memories here than bad tons fun times on red99 nuking wizards and druids in mm and lfay and getting ganked im fearrott.

Levelig in CT back in 2010. Everyone getting mad because me and a mage buddy could easily duo lord in guk and we did the same at solb royals with a trio.

Lots of really good memories in blackburrow. Cb. And chewie ambushing us at guk bedroom. Fireplace in unrest. Getting lost and falling in traps in befallen.

For the most part I love all the devs. It's actually hard to run a box.

Before I was just ruminating on why there's a desert here where once there was an oasis. There's a place for that.

It's definitely better to remember the GOOD times of p99 tho. Chasing Nizzar and his group out of karnors and across dreadlands and FM to OT lol after he went after us...

Getting the drop on gloinz wiz after he tried to levi snipe us in com. Getting insta gibbed by two epic rogues just after zoning into lguk. Heartbrand loosing some uber item on his charmed pet after wiping at efreeti.

Hanging out with my pal in the rear entrance to bugs in solb and with my mage on an alt warrior douing up thru nsjena!

Just straight up grand memories. I miss being able to play like that. This place WAS definitely good. Why ppl gotta be mad and mean now. I don't get.

[Seducio]

My account is just as old as yours.

And when you are around as long as us you see the same people talking to each other.

Only you would know them as starkind.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3341813&postcount=17

Interesting I didn't know starkind and magnetaress were the same person.

[Seducio]

Outside of Eratani you won't find many old timers that know me that well. Eratani is currently in PQ last I saw.

[Seducio]

What other cool stuff from my past have you dug up Botten?

[magnetaress]

This is my 8th or 9th account or something. The rest are banned. Butt I have been here since 2010 and emu since like 08

I have had several accounts with over 7k posts.


Memory is a siv tho it doesn't hold onto much

[Seducio]

Interesting, have I interacted with you on other accounts besides starkind and magnetaress?

[magnetaress]

Interesting, have I interacted with you on other accounts besides starkind and magnetaress?

Probably?

Azure, Irulan. Runlvlzero. Veris. A couple others I forgot there's a few years from like 16-19 that are kinda "blacked out", one reason I kept making new accounts cuz i would forget the old account infos.

[magnetaress]

Starkind/magnetaress my most stable personalities i guess... I used to be a raging cisphobic communist. My old personalies where closer to Botten/origen/horza than they'd ever like to admit .

[Seducio]

None of those I remember. I do remember the starkind account. Anyway best of luck to you hopefully whatever interactions I had with any of your accounts I wasn't aware of was a good experience.

I'm not sure what Botten's point is. Maybe he thought we were friends or something instead of folks who have randomly talked on these forums at some point in the past.

[magnetaress]

Ya it's all random. I'm friends to everyone. Even ppl on my ignore list still

One person got super mad at me cuz I wouldn't staunchly take their side. That's about it. Won't drop names or try to remember more.

I also was a bit more meaner and sinister... like evil backstabby too and vindictive... sadistic...so it's not unwarranted

[arvidez]

And whatever sadre is.

he is the butterfly from 'the last unicorn'.

[Seducio]

and whatever sadre is.

he is the butterfly from 'the last unicorn'.

Good assessment of Sadre. Every now and again he likes to remind of us of his caterpillar days. Guy really went the distance to become a butterfly and it shows.

[IshayaBehas]

I'm not sure about the current primary administrator, but you might find that info in the forum's "About" section or by reaching out to the mod team directly. Good luck!

[magnetaress]

Case in point... (https://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-388363.html)

[Jimjam]

There indeed have been some amazing adventures on p1999, and it is those thoughts, feelings, emotions, moments that I hold in my heart when I think of p99.

[magnetaress]

can't hold on to something forever and i for one and perfectly happy for the zoomers to take over p99s administration lawl got everything done here that i ever wanted to do

[Seducio]

I'm not sure about the current primary administrator, but you might find that info in the forum's "About" section or by reaching out to the mod team directly. Good luck!

Ya, I attemped this. A Guide passed me to a Senior Guide. The Senior Guide didn't answer when I asked who the primary administrator of these forums is.

If you look at the About page it lists:

>>
Server Staff
Management
Nilbog Project Founder & Manager; Content Developer; Goblin
Rogean Project Manager; Server Administrator; Programmer
>>

So it's one of those two. The first listed is still active and does bug reports all the time. The second listed is currently playing on Mischief, but doesn't appear to touch this place as often as he once did. Fifteen years is a long time to stay interested in the same project.

I could be wrong, but I remember this 'About page' being slightly different and at one point Rogean was the first listed.

[magnetaress]

nilbog a good guy he's just watching over the project and trying not to delete the last few ppl here imo

i don't think nilbog has an agenda at all if ur worried about it lawl it's kinda dumb to think so

[Seducio]

I think Nilbog's focused more on game content than admin tasks from what I can tell. His strength is having incredible breadth and depth of classic EQ knowledge that only very few other EQ emu devs still alive can come close to. When Nilbog speaks I listen.

The mods basically are acting without an admin most of the time. More than likely a few times a year the admin will pop in and be in charge.

[magnetaress]

i would voulenteer to moderate the forums butt i really don't hve the time so i don't complain about the forums lawl

[Homesteaded]

So is Homesteaded.

You should be banned for this bullshit.

Just claiming people are racist with zero evidence. Pointing out differences in race does not make you racist. The evidence of racial differences smack you in the face if you live in the real world and aren't blindly following the current trends. Take a look at the globe and how each race has organized it's civilization. How it's citizens have behaved. The differences are obvious. There isn't anything wrong with that either, but pretending we're all born equal and with the same genetic predispositions and traits is false.

Dig into the very hard to find statistics on IQ based on race and it becomes obvious. Work with an American Engineer and a Chinese engineer. Take a class taught by a Chinese professor or an American professor. Study with an American student vs a Chinese student. Take a gym class with Asian students and African American students. It's just so obvious. What's wrong with recognizing and celebrating differences? Instead we're told we need to pretend we're all the same like we're clones churned out. I think the MMORPG Character creation process is pretty close to reality. You have stats to allocate and you can't create a Superman Character. Things balance, we all have God given abilities and strengths. Celebrate them and exploit them to better the world. Don't hate on the qualities you lack, focus on your gifts.

Origen and Botten continue to be the most toxic shitlords on this forum. Luckily for the sane lot of us the tide is turning and all this woke/equality bullshit is coming to an end.

[Rager and Quitter]

I fucking love when the forums devolve into the right and left slinging shit at each other. I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, but I certainly enjoy the show. Also, I don't get the stuff about the kids that the Dems have been about for the last few years, that all seems pretty odd, but the Reps also seem totally cool with children starving and dying and whatnot as long as the mother gives birth to it first.

[aussenseiter]

You should be banned for this bullshit.

Just claiming people are racist with zero evidence. Pointing out differences in race does not make you racist. The evidence of racial differences smack you in the face if you live in the real world and aren't blindly following the current trends. Take a look at the globe and how each race has organized it's civilization. How it's citizens have behaved. The differences are obvious. There isn't anything wrong with that either, but pretending we're all born equal and with the same genetic predispositions and traits is false.

Dig into the very hard to find statistics on IQ based on race and it becomes obvious. Work with an American Engineer and a Chinese engineer. Take a class taught by a Chinese professor or an American professor. Study with an American student vs a Chinese student. Take a gym class with Asian students and African American students. It's just so obvious. What's wrong with recognizing and celebrating differences? Instead we're told we need to pretend we're all the same like we're clones churned out. I think the MMORPG Character creation process is pretty close to reality. You have stats to allocate and you can't create a Superman Character. Things balance, we all have God given abilities and strengths. Celebrate them and exploit them to better the world. Don't hate on the qualities you lack, focus on your gifts.

Origen and Botten continue to be the most toxic shitlords on this forum. Luckily for the sane lot of us the tide is turning and all this woke/equality bullshit is coming to an end.

There are phenotypes and genotypes, but I have to say I much prefer the xeno-types. 👽

[Origen]

"Hate Speech" Homesteaded real mad that I've described him accurately, as usual

[Lune]

Dig into the very hard to find statistics on IQ based on race and it becomes obvious. Work with an American Engineer and a Chinese engineer. Take a class taught by a Chinese professor or an American professor. Study with an American student vs a Chinese student. Take a gym class with Asian students and African American students. It's just so obvious. What's wrong with recognizing and celebrating differences? Instead we're told we need to pretend we're all the same like we're clones churned out. I think the MMORPG Character creation process is pretty close to reality. You have stats to allocate and you can't create a Superman Character. Things balance, we all have God given abilities and strengths. Celebrate them and exploit them to better the world. Don't hate on the qualities you lack, focus on your gifts.

https://i.imgur.com/kVVRoUZ.gif

[Origen]

He's trying real hard to "the left are the real racists" as he spews his race science shit that fell out of favor a century ago. Might as well start doing phrenology posts

Anyways, we all know he isn't gonna say a word of that somewhere where it actually has consequences. There should be additional layers of verification for conservatives to use the internet, like a learner's permit

[unsunghero]

He's trying real hard to "the left are the real racists" as he spews his race science shit that fell out of favor a century ago. Might as well start doing phrenology posts

Anyways, we all know he isn't gonna say a word of that somewhere where it actually has consequences. There should be additional layers of verification for conservatives to use the internet, like a learner's permit

I saw a documentary about some extremely poor part of Africa where the people didn’t have clean water, and were exposed to constant toxic chemicals by burning trash, tires, etc, and breathing in the fumes

The documentary said that they had very high rates of developmental disabilities as a result of the constant pollutants resulting in intellectual deficiencies

It would not be crazy to assume that people from extremely poor areas exposed to a lot of toxic shit have all kinds of genetic medical problems as a result, including with their brains

Speaking in generalities as I didn’t bother to comb through whatever this latest moral grandstanding is about

[Rager and Quitter]

He's trying real hard to "the left are the real racists" as he spews his race science shit that fell out of favor a century ago. Might as well start doing phrenology posts

Anyways, we all know he isn't gonna say a word of that somewhere where it actually has consequences. There should be additional layers of verification for conservatives to use the internet, like a learner's permit

I've found what I think is prejudice on both the left and the right, applied differently to different groups. I love how frequently we use racist for character assassination, though. The term racist used to be a really bad thing, now it's just a quick go-to to demonize the other side. Getting watered down pretty fast.

[unsunghero]

I've found what I think is prejudice on both the left and the right, applied differently to different groups. I love how frequently we use racist for character assassination, though. The term racist used to be a really bad thing, now it's just a quick go-to to demonize the other side. Getting watered down pretty fast.

It’s perfect for character assassination, as it’s a non-falsifiable statement

Meaning no one can sue for slander (or libel, whichever the print version is) because doing so would involve having to prove the statement as false

Which is why I don’t understand why any person of a protected class WOULDN’T default to the some kind of -ism as an explanation for anything negative that anyone ever says or does to them, rather than their individual personality. There is no negative consequence for being wrong, and it absolves the person of ever needing to do any self-reflection or personal growth

For example, a hypothetical, person throws their food and trash on the ground. Someome says “hey man you shouldn’t litter” person responds with “he said that because I’m [whatever] race and he’s racist”

[Seducio]

Hang over effect for liberals who were progressive for a brief minute during George Floyd protests and got dopamine hits for being told they were on the right side of history.

Calling someone racist until you controlled them worked really well in 2020 and 2021. So it's behavior that hasn't fully extinguished even though its adherents can't tell it stopped working and makes them look silly.

By 2023 since everyone is racist now according to progressive and since it's been thrown around so much it has lost all meaning.

Sadly really heinous fuckers who do super shady actual bonafide racist shit love the fact that hangover progressives that used to be liberal haven't woken up to the goosing they have given to the word racist.

[Seducio]

It’s perfect for character assassination, as it’s a non-falsifiable statement

Meaning no one can sue for slander (or libel, whichever the print version is) because doing so would involve having to prove the statement as false

Which is why I don’t understand why any person of a protected class WOULDN’T default to the some kind of -ism as an explanation for anything negative that anyone ever says or does to them, rather than their individual personality. There is no negative consequence for being wrong, and it absolves the person of ever needing to do any self-reflection or personal growth

For example, a hypothetical, person throws their food and trash on the ground. Someome says “hey man you shouldn’t litter” person responds with “he said that because I’m [whatever] race and he’s racist”

Yep. It's collectivist thinking. There is zero personal responsibility in collectivist thinking. If you get called out for anything you can just bring up intersectional victimhood to get out of it and you're good to go. Once people internalize this it's nearly impossible to hold them accountable for anything.

[unsunghero]

By 2023 since everyone is racist now according to progressive and since it's been thrown around so much it has lost all meaning.



Lost meaning but not power, especially in corporate America. Being called racist is just about the most scary thing other than bankruptcy to any company, enough to make them fire any employee prior to any sort of due process to determine the facts

Which is why it’s so easy to bully companies using the threat of the word

[Seducio]

Lost meaning but not power, especially in corporate America. Being called racist is just about the most scary thing other than bankruptcy to any company, enough to make them fire any employee prior to any sort of due process to determine the facts

Which is why it’s so easy to bully companies using the threat of the word

I see what you're saying. It appears the power is slowly waning as well as the meaning changed. There is more push back for evidence now. Without Twitter brigading its become much harder.

[Seducio]

Essentially accusers of racism are now held in suspicion because of overuse. Crying wolf only works for so long.

[aussenseiter]

Lost meaning but not power, especially in corporate America. Being called racist is just about the most scary thing other than bankruptcy to any company, enough to make them fire any employee prior to any sort of due process to determine the facts

Which is why it’s so easy to bully companies using the threat of the word

Equality racism vs equity racism.

Neologisization(sp? Too bad nerd.) is the permanent revolution.

[Toxigen]

we definitely need more racism equity

[Seducio]

I have found the easiest way to defeat Equity Racism is to bring up Content of Character. Don't even need to bring up MLK's colorblind framework. Just keep bringing up Content of Character. Most Americans are onboard with that version of racism even though academics disagree. It possibly going to have one of the biggest backfire effects that the University has ever tried.

Many of the millennials that went to college graduated with student debt.

Many of Gen Z that went to college graduate with student debt and and also framework of looking at race that is not too different from segregationist thinking.

Remind the Gen Z they were taught support segregationism. Bring up books that helped you see past the indoctrination you received at college like Lies My Teach Told me. Trust me it works. If they are offended that is good just let them know that their ideas for race are not the majority in America. Ask them if the believe in democracy.

Pin them down on why they changed their belief system so rapidly and remind them of the silliness of collectivist thinking for folks trying to get ahead in America.

[Seducio]

I can't spell.

[Origen]

I've found what I think is prejudice on both the left and the right, applied differently to different groups. I love how frequently we use racist for character assassination, though. The term racist used to be a really bad thing, now it's just a quick go-to to demonize the other side. Getting watered down pretty fast.I call that guy racist because of the racist content of his posts.

Just as I call them fascists, as they are fascists. They are accurate terms for some people here. Talk to the liberals if you want to have a debate over appropriate language.

[Homesteaded]

I call that guy racist because of the racist content of his posts.

Just as I call them fascists, as they are fascists. They are accurate terms for some people here. Talk to the liberals if you want to have a debate over appropriate language.

You're a full blown moron, or you're a full blown liar.

Are there differences in the races? Answer me that.

[rebeccablack]

honestly just close down the forums, or limit them to just game discussion. there is no reason to have political discussion here or any of the other off topic lunacy that gets posted here. i can't think of a worse first impression a person could get about p99 than if they googled around and ended up here before actually playing.

[unsunghero]

I’ll say the same thing about no mods here as I suggest to work during the periods when a supervisor leaves and work is trying to find a new supervisor:

“I thrive under no supervision”

[unsunghero]

honestly just close down the forums, or limit them to just game discussion. there is no reason to have political discussion here or any of the other off topic lunacy that gets posted here. i can't think of a worse first impression a person could get about p99 than if they googled around and ended up here before actually playing.

Uh oh then the game might not be as big of a commercial success. What will Sony do?

[Seducio]

honestly just close down the forums, or limit them to just game discussion. there is no reason to have political discussion here or any of the other off topic lunacy that gets posted here. i can't think of a worse first impression a person could get about p99 than if they googled around and ended up here before actually playing.

Sent very similar sentiments up via petition. Made it to Senior Guide for rule inquiry review given your very same concerns. Asked for inquiry to be sent to current admin and also asked who current admin was. Was told inquiry would not be sent and was not told who current admin is.

Takeaway: Forums are currently enforced at mods discretion given time constraints rather than stated rules.

[unsunghero]

FYI: Back when that one chick posted gay porn pic spam she was banned and the posts deleted within minutes

And if I recall the rare occasions when there were RL threats those people were also banned very quickly, but since I never received threats myself I can’t give an exact time frame

But porn pics? Very quick response

What does this tell us? There are mods, that are active, that are enforcing the rules as stated in the sticky at the top which include things like: no graphic violence vids/pics, no porn (I think they called it NSFW), and no RL threats

Until there’s a new rule of: no politics and no hurt feelings I don’t think they will be enforcing that

[Rager and Quitter]

honestly just close down the forums, or limit them to just game discussion. there is no reason to have political discussion here or any of the other off topic lunacy that gets posted here. i can't think of a worse first impression a person could get about p99 than if they googled around and ended up here before actually playing.

These forums are probably a better representation of the game because end-game is far more toxic and hateful than the forums could produce. If nothing it gives them a little taste of what to expect when they hit that glorious six zero.

[aussenseiter]

Sent very similar sentiments up via petition. Made it to Senior Guide for rule inquiry review given your very same concerns. Asked for inquiry to be sent to current admin and also asked who current admin was. Was told inquiry would not be sent and was not told who current admin is.

Takeaway: Forums are currently enforced at mods discretion given time constraints rather than stated rules.

What was it you tried to report?

[Duik]

Can a chinese athlete attain the same level of performance as an african american?
Can a white european attain the same level of academic success as say a chinese student?
Can that same black family produce a nobel laureate?

So yes, while there are notable external differences in the globes races it is disingenuous to suggest one or another is less or more because of that race furthermore, thinly veiling the suggestion by profiling the black athlete, chinese academic etc is the racist bit.
That call right there is called racism. Saying its not racist cuz there are differences in races doesnt discount it being racist.

[Origen]

You're a full blown moron, or you're a full blown liar.

Are there differences in the races? Answer me that.Stop posting racist content and I will cease referring to you as a racist. This is very simple.

[Seducio]

What was it you tried to report?

>>
Namely it appears the following rules and text taken directly from Forum Rules are not being enforced on the p1999 forums currently:

1. These rules, a small portion extracted from our Play Nice Policy, are in place to attract more members to the community, and assist existing members of the community.
2. Content is expected to remain work friendly.
3. ....hate speech, disguised or not, will not be tolerated. This includes slurs ....
4. Keep thread subjects clean.
5. Any rant or flame against a player or guild should be contained inside of the Rants and Flames forum
>>

Was told enforcing the rules this strictly would lead to 50% of forum members banned. I won't say which Guide because I like them. But that's why I asked it to be sent to Senior Guide and then was told rule review wouldn't be sent to Admin or given response when I asked who current Admin is.

Mods quote:

If we as a team monitored and disciplined within the standards you are presenting, half the board would be banned.

[unsunghero]

The grey area is hate speech and everyone knows it heh

Grey as in, hate speech is sometimes incorrectly meaning “speech I hate hearing”….but never from you fine lads ;)

[Seducio]

I'm still waiting for someone to actually figure out my politics given I've been attacked by the full spectrum of political folks from every angle. I thought Sadre might get it and he's closest so far, Lune 2nd closest. No cigar yet though. We'll see. Also no prizes.

Joking of course. Not everyone fits into neat boxes.

As far as the rules saying "hate speech, disguised or not" that implies a strict interpretation. The mods enforcement is much looser. Take from that what you will. But essentially the enforcers define what it is without it actually being written anywhere. This makes it different then as stated in the rules.

[Homesteaded]

Can a chinese athlete attain the same level of performance as an african american?

Show me the Asian Lebron James. Show me the Asian sprinters competing.


Can a white european attain the same level of academic success as say a chinese student?

Academic success is not at all what I'm referring to. If you've ever worked with a Chinese Engineer vs an American Engineer then you know what I'm talking about. The Chinese Engineer will DOMINATE the American when it comes to grinding out spelled out tasks. Ask that same Chinese Engineer to provide a creative solution to an issue and the American will be the tool you need. There is nothing wrong with this, there is no pro or con. Neither is better or worse. I'm not saying that so stop saying I am.


Can that same black family produce a nobel laureate?

Of course, the interesting thing about the African genetics is that their bell curve of IQ is shifted left. But they produce a lot of VERY high IQ individuals per capita.

Again, I'm not assigning lesser to any of these distinctions. The ones commenting and calling me racist are doing so for talking about our differences and our strengths. They want to push an NPC world of greys where we all are the same. A reality that anyone not completely brainwashed knows isn't reality.

[Seducio]

Where there is Yao Ming. But without getting into all the rest of the questions.

individual variability > group variability

As in individualized traits will stand out far more than any kind of genetic 'group' trait that you might be predisposed to.

Anyone who has kids finds this out the hard way.

[Homesteaded]

Where there is Yao Ming. But without getting into all the rest of the questions.

Are you saying Yao Ming is as athletic as Lebron?

[Seducio]

You have missed my point sir.

[Homesteaded]

You have missed my point sir.

So you think I'm saying ALL Race X have Y trait. So you cite Yao Ming as your example that refute this claim you've fabricated?

If I've missed the point, spell it out.

[Seducio]

You asked for a basketball champion that is asian. I gave one. Is Yao a goat like Lebron? Maybe not but only a handful of players ever in the world (dead people) are considered at Lebron's level. Is Yao the best in China - without a doubt. He traveled to a different continent to play.

I haven't said what I think you're saying. I made a claim about the well known established fact that individual variability > group variability. It's been studied. The best way for a regular person to see this is noticing the differences in a handful of kids with the same parents. So parents with more then one kid will noticed tremendous differences despite similar genetics.

I get where you are coming from with the Bell Curve by Herrnstein/Murray. Group variability is a thing for sure. And regular people will take small samples of different races and then sometimes scale that impression up to a whole people. It typically is a limited sample that isn't representative of the whole group though.

Murray's research is fascinating. Currently it's a bit taboo and harder to find than it once was. Not many experiments are being done at this time on it at this time. Scientists are currently weary of studying group differences and variability because they are worried their research will be misinterpreted by the public. Maybe that will change in the future and the research on this will continue.

[Homesteaded]

I never said give me a "basketball champion" lol

Give me your lunch money, nerd.

[Seducio]

Fight me for it pussy

[Seducio]

Yea I just called you that Homesteaded.

[Origen]

https://i.imgur.com/lPKPyYu.jpeg

[Seducio]

Get outta here Origen. <Grabs Origens pipe takes hit>

Shits mids. Fucking retard

[aussenseiter]

Are you saying Yao Ming is as athletic as Lebron?

Jeremy Lin had a good run albeit for a short time.

Dikembo Mutumbo was just unbelievably tall.

[Lune]

I would love to participate in this conversation but I've been around long enough to know it almost always eventually results in a round of bans followed by thread lock. And old Lune knows how to survive

[Seducio]

Ya I'm not sure what's going on. Some P99ers are whack.

[aussenseiter]

I fucking love sports!!

[Lune]

I fucking love sports!!

Was a loss for all of P99dom when somebody let Jeremy's thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169475&highlight=love+sports) die. Who knew he was into pickleball before it really took off

[Seducio]

I've been attacked by the full spectrum of political folks from every angle

You have gotten better at PVP forums (104)

[Origen]

I fucking love sports!!Yeah but this is important: Braves or Phillies?

[aussenseiter]

Yeah but this is important: Braves or Phillies?

Braves. Phily go straight to hell.

[Origen]

Then I have good news for you, 5-4 Braves

[Swish]

Was a loss for all of P99dom when somebody let Jeremy's thread (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169475&highlight=love+sports) die. Who knew he was into pickleball before it really took off

Redwjamz youtube channel has pickleball matches. I didn't think he was into sports.