iksar necro

[abysalwhip2008]

where should i put my points if rolling an iksar necro?

[Duik]

Wisdom.

[Ghost of Starman]

where should i put my points if rolling an iksar necro?

The min-max choice is STA, both because you can't cap it with gear alone, and because STA is more important than INT to a necro (Lich line of spells means massive mana regen, the more HP you have the less you have to lifetap, the size of the mana tank isn't important since you will almost never be full mana). INT is also much more common on gear, my necro was 200+ iNT without even trying from low end tunnel gear, with raid gear you'll easily hit INT cap.

Either way you're fine, but if you're the type to min-max and will regret not being 100% optimal, go STA. If not, INT or STA are fine.

[zelld52]

STR also a good option. Necro make a really good Drain Tank from 4-30. Also helps with carrying capacity.

If you're min / maxing, then Stamina. (Even though Necro only get 2.4 HP per STA at 60, so +20sta is only +48hp) -- It's nice to see high stats at level 60.

[PatChapp]

You can't make a serious mistake here, you'll be fine with any of the 3 options

[Jimjam]

Big fan of Str on any toon, especially if it won't be heavily twinked.

[magnetaress]

Charisma.

[Toxigen]

STA

[Crede]

These threads start out so vague then turn into 50 pages.

OP, what are your end goals? Do you play your chars to 50ish then quit? Do you want to min/max?

Some combination of INT/STR will probably see the biggest benefit while leveling. But at 60, if you're gearing out which will pretty quickly max INT, then you'll probably want to go STA. I went 25 INT/5 STR on my Human Necro, no regrets. But if I knew I was going to raid a lot with him, I would have definitely gone STA.

[Troxx]

I honestly don’t remember what I put my start stats in but concur you can’t go wrong with stamina, intelligence or str.

Stamina: pitiful returns even at 60 but moar stamina = moar hp which for necro is huge

Intelligence: obvious benefit is obvious but capping or getting to 200+ is easy. Mana pool is less important on a class that can lich.

Strength: a quality of life stat for the full duration of your time enjoying the character.

[Uteunayr]

In the past I've always gone with 25 Int/5 Sta because that Int helps on a brand new first character and Classic/Kunark era gear gives us a good bit of freedom to pick +HP items instead of +Int/Mana items. I don't remember it exactly, but 2012-2015 Blue Sess sat somewhere around 200 Int but had 1.8k-1.9k HP. Come Velious though, so many of the best +HP items are also +Int/Mana items, so there's no real trade off going on.

I've been toying with both Dex and Sta necro, and related to what I said earlier, both feel to me like they play better as twinked characters. That 85 Int is just rough on one's mana capacity in the early to mid game when the character doesn't have enough cash together to get good Int items in addition to the more important big +HP items.

Edit: For a bit of fun while camping AC, I decided to put together my item of choice for each slot and then figure out the ideal starting stats if I were to somehow get every one of those items. Starting stats: +12 Dex, +14 Intelligence, +4 Strength. STA will always be greater than 255, but Int will hit exactly 255 and Dex will hit exactly 240 for 31 average seconds per proc (couldn't get 255 for 30), and Strength will hit 207. I guess I'll try that for my next necro!

[fortior]

I went stamina but I think necro really doesn’t care. For mana you just need a decent mana pool, since it’s more about mana regen than the size of your tank. And 48 hp won’t ever be a big deal.

[Anichek]

In the past I've always gone with 25 Int/5 Sta because that Int helps on a brand new first character and Classic/Kunark era gear gives us a good bit of freedom to pick +HP items instead of +Int/Mana items. I don't remember it exactly, but 2012-2015 Blue Sess sat somewhere around 200 Int but had 1.8k-1.9k HP. Come Velious though, so many of the best +HP items are also +Int/Mana items, so there's no real trade off going on.

I've been toying with both Dex and Sta necro, and related to what I said earlier, both feel to me like they play better as twinked characters. That 85 Int is just rough on one's mana capacity in the early to mid game when the character doesn't have enough cash together to get good Int items in addition to the more important big +HP items.

Edit: For a bit of fun while camping AC, I decided to put together my item of choice for each slot and then figure out the ideal starting stats if I were to somehow get every one of those items. Starting stats: +12 Dex, +14 Intelligence, +4 Strength. STA will always be greater than 255, but Int will hit exactly 255 and Dex will hit exactly 240 for 31 average seconds per proc (couldn't get 255 for 30), and Strength will hit 207. I guess I'll try that for my next necro!

You should have simply linked the thread to your guide. While I'm DE until I die, you're my necro brother from another mother....

[Iksar_Knight001]

Would stamina be a crazy choice? Most into it and the rest in int?

[Toxigen]

Would stamina be a crazy choice? Most into it and the rest in int?

not at all, thats probably the most common these days

[DeathsSilkyMist]

not at all, thats probably the most common these days

Exactly. INT is much easier to cap on a cloth caster since their gear has a lot of INT on it anyway. STA will be less likely to be capped, which means you will get more mileage out of it in the long run.

[wuanahto]

Stamina every time. I also prefer gear that has both hp/mana like jaded rings/bracer or black sapphire ears, that one seb staff with EB on it but also 100 hp/mp and so on.

plat tiara from guk.

[fortior]

any class that charms to solo wants hp gear

hp >>> mana every time as long as you can cast a few charms and a few roots/mezes on a full mana bar

[Vexenu]

Anyone saying you can "easily" cap Iksar INT, please post a Magelo so we can judge what sort of gear you're defining as "easily acquired", especially if you're advocating a 25 STA/5 INT split which results in 90 starting INT. If you're stacking HP gear as you should be (because +HP gives way better returns than pumping STA), it's actually quite difficult to max Iksar INT until you've got a good amount of Velious no drops.

[Toxigen]

Yeah its not "easy" but max mana pool is basically useless compared to max hp.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Anyone saying you can "easily" cap Iksar INT, please post a Magelo so we can judge what sort of gear you're defining as "easily acquired", especially if you're advocating a 25 STA/5 INT split which results in 90 starting INT. If you're stacking HP gear as you should be (because +HP gives way better returns than pumping STA), it's actually quite difficult to max Iksar INT until you've got a good amount of Velious no drops.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Hand_of_the_Reaper +15 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Gnoll_Hide_Tome +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar_Hide_Manual +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Supple_Scale_Armband +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Steel_Wristband_of_Strategy + 7 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Braided_Cinch_Cord +4 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Fancy_Velvet_Mantle +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Black_Alloy_Medallion +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Astral_Leggings_of_the_Titans +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar_Hide_Cap +7 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Skin_Gloves +6 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Diamond_Wedding_Band +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Di%60zok_Begirding +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Skin_Boots +8 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Mask_of_Secrets +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Ivandyr%27s_Hoop +6 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Batskull_Earring +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tolapumj%27s_Robe +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cloak_of_the_Maelstrom +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Loam_Encrusted_Sleeves +5 INT

This is 133 INT, all with items you can buy in EC. Most of them are cheap too. An Iksar with 90 INT would already be at 223 INT. Past 200 INT you are getting diminishing returns on INT. If you were an Erudite with 122 INT you would be capped at 255 INT.

Necros are good at farming, so it isn't too difficult for them to get the money to buy this stuff.

[Crede]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Hand_of_the_Reaper +15 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Gnoll_Hide_Tome +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar_Hide_Manual +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Supple_Scale_Armband +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Steel_Wristband_of_Strategy + 7 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Braided_Cinch_Cord +4 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Fancy_Velvet_Mantle +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Black_Alloy_Medallion +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Astral_Leggings_of_the_Titans +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar_Hide_Cap +7 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Skin_Gloves +6 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Diamond_Wedding_Band +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Di%60zok_Begirding +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Skin_Boots +8 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Mask_of_Secrets +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Ivandyr%27s_Hoop +6 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Batskull_Earring +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tolapumj%27s_Robe +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cloak_of_the_Maelstrom +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Loam_Encrusted_Sleeves +5 INT

This is 133 INT, all with items you can buy in EC. Most of them are cheap too. An Iksar with 90 INT would already be at 223 INT. Past 200 INT you are getting diminishing returns on INT. If you were an Erudite with 122 INT you would be capped at 255 INT.

Can tell you've never played a necro, congrats on breaking 200 int with absolutely shit hp.

Here's a relevant quote from an actual necro, not DSM:

In the past I've always gone with 25 Int/5 Sta because that Int helps on a brand new first character and Classic/Kunark era gear gives us a good bit of freedom to pick +HP items instead of +Int/Mana items. I don't remember it exactly, but 2012-2015 Blue Sess sat somewhere around 200 Int but had 1.8k-1.9k HP. Come Velious though, so many of the best +HP items are also +Int/Mana items, so there's no real trade off going on.

I've been toying with both Dex and Sta necro, and related to what I said earlier, both feel to me like they play better as twinked characters. That 85 Int is just rough on one's mana capacity in the early to mid game when the character doesn't have enough cash together to get good Int items in addition to the more important big +HP items.

Edit: For a bit of fun while camping AC, I decided to put together my item of choice for each slot and then figure out the ideal starting stats if I were to somehow get every one of those items. Starting stats: +12 Dex, +14 Intelligence, +4 Strength. STA will always be greater than 255, but Int will hit exactly 255 and Dex will hit exactly 240 for 31 average seconds per proc (couldn't get 255 for 30), and Strength will hit 207. I guess I'll try that for my next necro!

[Toxigen]

Can tell you've never played a necro, congrats on breaking 200 int with absolutely shit hp.

yeah was gonna say lmao

max mana means almost nothing as long as you dont play like a mongoloid

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Can tell you've never played a necro, congrats on breaking 200 int with absolutely shit hp.

Here's a relevant quote from an actual necro, not DSM:

Lol I just gave a basic example of gear that puts you over 200 INT. It's all EC buyable too. I never said it was an optimal setup. The point is that INT is common on droppable items by the time you get to Velious, you don't need raid gear to get a ton of INT.

Good job at making yourself look like an ass, again. Please stop making assumptions about what people are saying.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01

You can still hit 201 INT with an Iksar in EC gear and free rot drops while also focusing on HP. A Necro can easily farm the money for this stuff just by killing guards while leveling.

Casters get 2.4 HP per STA, and 5.5 Mana per INT (over 200) at level 60. With 25 STA/5 INT on starting stats, you are looking at +60 HP vs. +138 Mana before you cap your INT with buffs and slightly better gear. After you cap INT you are getting +60 HP instead of +0 Mana.

[Toxigen]

c u boys in 30 pages

[Duik]

A Necromancer is just a Shadow Knight in a dress! DSM

[Vexenu]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01

You can still hit 201 INT with an Iksar in EC gear and free rot drops while also focusing on HP. A Necro can easily farm the money for this stuff just by killing guards while leveling.

Casters get 2.4 HP per STA, and 5.5 Mana per INT (over 200) at level 60. With 25 STA/5 INT on starting stats, you are looking at +60 HP vs. +138 Mana before you cap your INT with buffs and slightly better gear. After you cap INT you are getting +60 HP instead of +0 Mana.

Except most people aren't twinking a Necro to that extent. I made what I consider a much more realistically and cheaply geared Necro twink:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:RealNecca

I have more HP and about 200 less mana than your example with probably a quarter of your budget or less. This is how you can feasibly gear when pumping INT at creation. That being said, I think you can reasonably argue for pumping STA if you know you are going to be heavily twinked from the beginning and are confident you will be pushing the character to 60 and acquiring raid gear, because it's true that the extra INT becomes meaningless at the very late game. But if you're an average player either making a Necro from scratch or just messing around with a reasonably geared twink, I think you're much better off pumping INT.

[Vivitron]

I swapped some gear around on my 60 ench and if I didn't screw it up:

20 sta: 48 hp
20 int sub 200: 222ish mana
20 int post 200: 116ish mana

I went int on my iksar necro and I'm at ~160 int at 54. Rolled him with the expectation that I won't gear him enough to hit 200 int. Not sure it was the right choice but at least it's not a huge difference.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Except most people aren't twinking a Necro to that extent. I made what I consider a much more realistically and cheaply geared Necro twink:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:RealNecca

I have more HP and about 200 less mana than your example with probably a quarter of your budget or less. This is how you can feasibly gear when pumping INT at creation. That being said, I think you can reasonably argue for pumping STA if you know you are going to be heavily twinked from the beginning and are confident you will be pushing the character to 60 and acquiring raid gear, because it's true that the extra INT becomes meaningless at the very late game. But if you're an average player either making a Necro from scratch or just messing around with a reasonably geared twink, I think you're much better off pumping INT.

You don't need to start your Necro with that much gear. They can start naked and level naked. You can make 10k every 40 hours just from killing guards while leveling. You can also shave like 10k off my Magelo with just a few swaps. You don't need Djarn's, you can use a Sandwitch of Foul Smelling Herbs, etc. You'd only lose 25 HP from those two swaps. Getting 30K or more just from leveling by killing guards is very realistic on a Necromancer. I did this on my Shadowknight.

Your Magelo is great for a tighter budget, but it doesn't really show why going INT for your starting stats is better. INT is still easy to cap, easier than STA. Your STA is 87 points behind your INT. The default assumption should be that you are going to level to 60, since that is how the leveling mechanic works. Usually people who aren't getting to 60 are either making bots for Vox/Naggy, or are very casual. If you are very casual, starting stats don't really matter, because INT and STA scale with level. You aren't getting much HP or Mana from your stats anyway if you are the type of player that stops at level 25.

EDIT: Also it looks like Magelo's HP calculations are off, for cloth casters at least. If I add +14 STA by swapping my boots to Netted Kelp Lined Shoes for example, I only get +23 HP. This is clearly wrong, so my Magelo is showing lower HP than it should, with +29 STA over yours. My example would probably have a bit more HP than yours if the calculations were correct.

[Vivitron]

EDIT: Also it looks like Magelo's HP calculations are off, for cloth casters at least. If I add +14 STA by swapping my boots to Netted Kelp Lined Shoes for example, I only get +23 HP. This is clearly wrong, so my Magelo is showing lower HP than it should, with +29 STA over yours. My example would probably have a bit more HP than yours if the calculations were correct.

Not sure if this exists somewhere players can edit but the wiki magelo seems to errantly give only half returns for sta over ~127.5 https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3484218&highlight=magelo#post3484218

[Elizondo]

Can tell you've never played a necro, congrats on breaking 200 int with absolutely shit hp.

Here's a relevant quote from an actual necro, not DSM:

Exactly

So many slots wasted going for INT and not hp/mana

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Exactly

So many slots wasted going for INT and not hp/mana

You have yet to produce a Magelo yourself. Please enlighten us. I am simply providing examples, I am not claiming they are the best setup. Please stop asauming things, it doesn't help you or your argument.

[Vexenu]

I think at the high end the debate is completely academic. When you've got several +100 mana/HP items loaded with INT, the added +25 INT or STA is pretty meaningless for a Necro. Even the extra 60 HP from STA will be functionally unnoticeable for both solo and group/raid play at that point. However, I think that pumping INT gives more flexibility for gearing during the leveling process, and allows you the breathing room to heavily gear in favor of raw +HP while still maintaining a decent mana pool.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think at the high end the debate is completely academic. When you've got several +100 mana/HP items loaded with INT, the added +25 INT or STA is pretty meaningless for a Necro. Even the extra 60 HP from STA will be functionally unnoticeable for both solo and group/raid play at that point. However, I think that pumping INT gives more flexibility for gearing during the leveling process, and allows you the breathing room to heavily gear in favor of raw +HP while still maintaining a decent mana pool.

Yeah none of it matters much in the long run. There are enough good + cheap caster items that will make up for whatever deficiency you have. Luckily Necros are good at farming.

The way I see it, if you care about starting stats, you are probably looking at the endgame. That is when they matter the most due to scaling. Since INT is much easier to cap, you are going to eventually get zero mana from your +25 INT, where your +25 STA will last much longer. If you end up doing BiS in every slot, you'll cap both. At that point if you are aiming for full BiS, you would plan all of your gear ahead of time so you get the exact stats you want. You probably aren't asking this question on the forums, however, if you are already going that hard.

[Elizondo]

You have yet to produce a Magelo yourself. Please enlighten us. I am simply providing examples, I am not claiming they are the best setup. Please stop asauming things, it doesn't help you or your argument.

I'm not trying to argue with you

I simply do not care about your opinion on this subject

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I'm not trying to argue with you

I simply do not care about your opinion on this subject

I find it interesting that you think people care that you do not care. If you think I am wrong, provide something other than trolling. That way everybody can perhaps learn something. Otherwise your post is meaningless.

You are operating on the false assumption that I was creating the best possible setup, and drawing conclusions from that. I never did that, and you can feel free to create a better Magelo if you think you know better.

You can take a look at this one I made later in the thread and give us your advice on what you would switch out, instead of simply acting silly: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01

[Samoht]

STR is the answer. Running around with encumbrance constantly at 74/75 sucks when looting simple PP will always push you over.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

:cool:STR is the answer. Running around with encumbrance constantly at 74/75 sucks when looting simple PP will always push you over.

Basically any class/race combo can boost their STR by 50 if you have Thick Banded Belt, Gauntlets of Potence, and Mask of War bagged for when you need to go back to a merchant. That plus the standard cheap WR bags should be able to get you through any farming session just fine. You also have Bind/Gate for teleporting back to merchants.

STR can be a good starting stat on low STR races when you are making a character without any twink items/money. Like an SSF character or your first character on a server. Anyone who is twinking can get around low STR with money.

[Jimjam]

Really surprised to learn iksar can wear thick banded belt / gauntlets of potence. Thanks for that tip, DSM!

[Samoht]

Yeah, I'd rather wear my coldain skin gloves and my bone-clasped girdle.

[Crede]

I find it interesting that you think people care that you do not care. If you think I am wrong, provide something other than trolling. That way everybody can perhaps learn something. Otherwise your post is meaningless.

You are operating on the false assumption that I was creating the best possible setup, and drawing conclusions from that. I never did that, and you can feel free to create a better Magelo if you think you know better.

You can take a look at this one I made later in the thread and give us your advice on what you would switch out, instead of simply acting silly: https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01

No where did he claim to think people cared that he doesn’t care. Not sure why you’d would assume that about him. He simply doesn’t care about your opinion, which is a choice he is capable of, despite whatever information you think you bring to the table.

The fact that you are trying to continue a conversation with him(and claiming he’s a troll) when he explicitly expressed his desire not to converse with you makes you a troll at this point. All you continue to do is provide evidence that you should be banned.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Really surprised to learn iksar can wear thick banded belt / gauntlets of potence. Thanks for that tip, DSM!

No problem!

Yeah, I'd rather wear my coldain skin gloves and my bone-clasped girdle.

The idea is that you have your STR items bagged for when you are running back to a merchant. You only need to put it on once you get to a point where slower movement is becoming an issue. Necromancers have bind/gate, so they can also bind next to a merchant to save time that way. Casters have plenty of options to overcome having a bit less STR due to not dumping into it at character creation. Mask of War is a clickie, so you don't need to have it equipped at all times.

No where did he claim to think people cared that he doesn’t care. Not sure why you’d would assume that about him. He simply doesn’t care about your opinion, which is a choice he is capable of, despite whatever information you think you bring to the table.

The fact that you are trying to continue a conversation with him(and claiming he’s a troll) when he explicitly expressed his desire not to converse with you makes you a troll at this point. All you continue to do is provide evidence that you should be banned.

Why bother posting this? It is the same problem as Elizondo. You are posting your baseless and nonsensical opinion about me for no reason. Nobody asked for it, nobody cares, and it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you think I have said something wrong, make a contribution to the thread so we can all learn something. At present, you are contributing nothing except attacking other people. That is actual trolling. Please stick to the topic and hand instead of attacking people in a vain attempt to discredit them.

[Duik]

DSM, how many posts (i dont care to look it the fuck up in ya post history) do you simply ADD ZERO TO THE TOPIC AT HAND and simply tell the trolls to stop trolling? It has to be in the fifties (all threads included). That's some world class trolling right there.
Deflecting Sensible Messages by telling us you are helping us be better is a sure sign of trolling behaviour.
That might just be me though.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

DSM, how many posts (i dont care to look it the fuck up in ya post history) do you simply ADD ZERO TO THE TOPIC AT HAND and simply tell the trolls to stop trolling? It has to be in the fifties (all threads included). That's some world class trolling right there.
Deflecting Sensible Messages by telling us you are helping us be better is a sure sign of trolling behaviour.
That might just be me though.

If you don't troll people, lie about people, and spam threads with nonsense like this very post, I won't need to post telling you to stop. It's really that simple! Honestly you are just scaring people away from the forums/game when you and other posters act hostile towards other people every time you post for no apparent reason. The typical knee jerk reaction of "you're stupid and I am right!" is not very welcoming, and a lot of posters do this.

Crede, Toxigen, and Elizondo made assumptions about what I said for no logical reason, and attacked me simply for posting an item list lol. When you ask them what they would do better, they just attack you some more instead of contributing to the thread. You can check the post history. I never start this stuff. But I have the right to defend myself.

I am not sure why you think that you can attack people and simply expect them to roll over and do nothing. If you don't want people defending themselves, don't attack people in the first place.

[Duik]

Boom.

[Duik]

DSM, using Deceivingly Salubrious Manipulations like you do makes you think you are being helpful. You just proved that you do just what i suggested. Add nothing to the subject matter at hand whilst proclaiming you refuse to be bullied into silence by trolls.
So, some advice.
Say your piece.
Maybe a couple extra posts clarifying a point or two but please for the love of Tunare get the fuck off your high horse "defending your right to clean the muddied troll waters" by muddying the waters with your patented Troll Defence Network.
Amen.
Seek drugs

[Toxigen]

nobody has STR gear in their bags for vendor trips lmao

[Penish]

dsm made his way into necro threads now? lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

nobody has STR gear in their bags for vendor trips lmao

You cannot back up this claim. Three pieces of gear in your bags isn't a big deal for a leveling necro. People can decide for themselves if they want to do this strategy.

DSM, using Deceivingly Salubrious Manipulations like you do makes you think you are being helpful. You just proved that you do just what i suggested. Add nothing to the subject matter at hand whilst proclaiming you refuse to be bullied into silence by trolls.
So, some advice.
Say your piece.
Maybe a couple extra posts clarifying a point or two but please for the love of Tunare get the fuck off your high horse "defending your right to clean the muddied troll waters" by muddying the waters with your patented Troll Defence Network.
Amen.
Seek drugs

More nonsense and trolling. Please take your own advise and actually post something useful a few times in a thread. Unlike yourself, I have actually contributed to the thread. As of now you haven't contributed to this thread at all. Nobody cares about your delusions and baseless opinions about other posters.

[Penish]

anyone compile a fun list of dsm duh's yet? lol

[Crede]

anyone compile a fun list of dsm duh's yet? lol

Yea I did awhile back. I’ll add some more and repost.

DSM prob has a list of random points he wants to debate to the death on. Here’s a summary of his nonsense so far:

-There’s “math” to objectively say that ogres are the best shaman race.
-Shamans are a dps class and can out dps mages
-People can’t be mad about players voluntarily awakening the sleeper
-Shaman pets are tanks
-JBB is a min max item for shamans
-Clerics arent needed for 4 man content
-shamans offer more use to enchanters than clerics do
-shamans net the same pp per hour as an enchanter
-you should consider spamming taunt as +1 aggro every 6 seconds is better than nothing while ignoring the fact that there is a superior way to use taunt
-150 str on a monk is good enough
-you are trolling if you are not interested in my opinion
-iksar int is easy to max. You don’t need hp gear.

I’ll continue to monitor and track this so that people are aware of all these theories. I’m sure there’s some more I missed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yea I did awhile back. I’ll add some more and repost.

Please stop posting your strawman versions of what you think I have said. It continues to show you are just a troll and a liar. That entire list has nothing to do with what I have said in the past. It purposely misses context and twists my words.

Because you can't win arguments with facts and logic, you have been reduced to lying about other people and trolling them. It's honestly very sad. You aren't going to show how knowledgeable you are about Necromancers by simply posting off topic nonsense. Nor does this nonsense discredit anything I have said.

Stick to the topic at hand. What you are doing doesn't help anybody, and just makes people want to avoid talking to you. It also scares people away from the forums. I am not sure why you think an obvious troll like this is making you look good, and me look bad. It is easy to show where you are twisting my words and ignoring context for every sentence in that list. I am not sure why you think the forum post history has disappeared.

EDIT: I see you are also claiming I've said "You don't need hp gear" in the context of Iksar Necromancers. You are talking about this thread. There are only 6 pages in this thread. You won't be able to find me saying you don't need hp gear lol. I even advocated putting starting stats into STA. You are proving you are lying about what I've said in this very thread, which is easy to check. Thanks for making it easier for people to see you are just a troll.

[Crede]

Please stop posting your strawman versions of what you think I have said. It continues to show you are just a troll and a liar. That entire list has nothing to do with what I have said in the past. It purposely misses context and twists my words.

Because you can't win arguments with facts and logic, you have been reduced to lying about other people and trolling them. It's honestly very sad. You aren't going to show how knowledgeable you are about Necromancers by simply posting off topic nonsense. Nor does this nonsense discredit anything I have said.

Stick to the topic at hand. What you are doing doesn't help anybody, and just makes people want to avoid talking to you. It also scares people away from the forums. I am not sure why you think an obvious troll like this is making you look good, and me look bad. It is easy to show where you are twisting my words and ignoring context for every sentence in that list. I am not sure why you think the forum post history has disappeared.

EDIT: I see you are also claiming I've said "You don't need hp gear" in the context of Iksar Necromancers. You are talking about this thread. There are only 6 pages in this thread. You won't be able to find me saying you don't need hp gear lol. I even advocated putting starting stats into STA. You are proving you are a liar about what I've said in this very thread, which is very easy to check.

Your “EDIT” was like your 5th edit btw. I watched them all. Stop lying to us with all your stealth edits. Nobody knows what you mean

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Your “EDIT” was like your 5th edit btw. I watched them all. Stop lying to us with all your stealth edits. Nobody knows what you mean

You added this line to your nonsensical list via "stealth edit" in your previous post:


iksar int is easy to max. You don’t need hp gear.


Please show me where I said "Iksar Necromancers don't need HP gear" in this thread. You won't find it. You've exposed your lying nature again lol. You won't be able to find me saying this quote elsewhere on these forums either. Why would people believe that list you made when they can already see you are lying about what I say?

You are just making it so easy to prove you are a liar and a troll. Thanks. There are only 6 pages in this thread. I am not sure why you think you can get away with such a blatant lie.

Please stick to the topic at hand or stop posting. You are only hurting yourself and the forums with this nonsense. You aren't hurting me.

[Elizondo]

Imagine a 30+ page thread where a shaman tries to convince players that have played necro at the highest level that they should be stacking INT instead of HP/Mana

Oh wait ....

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Imagine a 30+ page thread where a shaman tries to convince players that have played necro at the highest level that they should be stacking INT instead of HP/Mana

Oh wait ....

Please show me where I said that. Again you are making it so painfully obvious you are a liar.

[Crede]

DSM prob has a list of random points he wants to debate to the death on. Here’s a summary of his nonsense so far:

-There’s “math” to objectively say that ogres are the best shaman race.
-Shamans are a dps class and can out dps mages
-People can’t be mad about players voluntarily awakening the sleeper
-Shaman pets are tanks
-JBB is a min max item for shamans
-Clerics arent needed for 4 man content
-shamans offer more use to enchanters than clerics do
-shamans net the same pp per hour as an enchanter
-you should consider spamming taunt as +1 aggro every 6 seconds is better than nothing while ignoring the fact that there is a superior way to use taunt
-150 str on a monk is good enough
-you are trolling if you are not interested in my opinion
-iksar int is easy to max. You don’t need hp gear.
-you cannot claim ad populum yet my experience as a sk is good enough for this discussion

I’ll continue to monitor and track this so that people are aware of all these theories. I’m sure there’s some more I missed.

Added another one

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Added another one

Thank you for continuing to show you are just a troll and a liar. Your list is incorrect, and you've proven you are willing to add new lies to the list that can be disproven by looking at this very thread. I didn't say anywhere that Iksar Necros do not need HP gear.

[Duik]

So nerr nerr nerr nerr nerr.

[Penish]

lol'd

[Duik]

It's a lazydog danglin' sat'd'y afternoon here in AU.
What are the US numbats up to?
Personally I'm equiping my Gauntlets of Ogre Power to assist with my weekly shopping at the Swap-O-Mart in EC (East Canberra).
Fill me in wiff ya own experiences.
NO TROLLS PLS.

Edit bit
Lolocaust!
An attractive young vendor just said "Hello Duik, You look like you could use a root!"
Indeed!

Unuva Edit for post below--
Fuck you Zondo. Thats gold and chuck away names that also rock?
I'll have Hoboreckno so as to not annoy name conventions. You go girl. Zero sarcasm.

[Elizondo]

https://wiki.project1999.com/Hand_of_the_Reaper +15 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Gnoll_Hide_Tome +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar_Hide_Manual +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Supple_Scale_Armband +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Steel_Wristband_of_Strategy + 7 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Braided_Cinch_Cord +4 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Fancy_Velvet_Mantle +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Black_Alloy_Medallion +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Astral_Leggings_of_the_Titans +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar_Hide_Cap +7 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Skin_Gloves +6 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Diamond_Wedding_Band +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Di%60zok_Begirding +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Skin_Boots +8 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Mask_of_Secrets +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Ivandyr%27s_Hoop +6 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Batskull_Earring +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tolapumj%27s_Robe +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cloak_of_the_Maelstrom +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Loam_Encrusted_Sleeves +5 INT

This is 133 INT, all with items you can buy in EC. Most of them are cheap too . An Iksar with 90 INT would already be at 223 INT. Past 200 INT you are getting diminishing returns on INT. If you were an Erudite with 122 INT you would be capped at 255 INT.

Necros are good at farming, so it isn't too difficult for them to get the money to buy this stuff.

Total cost of this gear = 20k

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01

You can still hit 201 INT with an Iksar in EC gear and free rot drops (+6 Neck is a free rot drop?) while also focusing on HP. A Necro can easily farm the money for this stuff just by killing guards while leveling.

Casters get 2.4 HP per STA, and 5.5 Mana per INT (over 200) at level 60. With 25 STA/5 INT on starting stats, you are looking at +60 HP vs. +138 Mana before you cap your INT with buffs and slightly better gear. After you cap INT you are getting +60 HP instead of +0 Mana.

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Total cost of THIS gear = 53K

A Necro can easily farm the money for this stuff

Except you're forgetting what a necro should be farming for while leveling. A Circlet of Shadow.

I've never personally seen a +6 neck auctioned as a 'free rot drop'. Maybe someone else can chime in and help me out here. I didn't even factor in what the potential loot rights cost of that item would be. Let's say 6k + CoS. We're almost at 90K now.

Great advice to a new player looking to try necro. Maybe you should write a guide on the Wiki. It'll be a NYT Bestseller I'm sure.

So what is the practical advice I would give a new player that doesn't have 90k laying around the bank and they want to either try a necro or it's their first character and it's going to be a necro

What gear to buy and where to put points (scraping the bottom of the barrel for as cheap as possible items in EC tunnel), this is probably what I would do. Take it for what you will:

Starting points - 25 INT / 5 Str (Race - Iksar)

I prefer the front load of INT so I can maximize as many slots as possible to HP/Mana. This is what I prefer. Swap the str for sta. Go 50/50. Any combination (within reason) will work just fine. Your mileage may vary.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Poornewnecro

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Total cost of this gear = 3K

So with a minimal investment of 3K I have 150 less HP and 700 less mana. 700 less mana is considerable I'll grant you that. Gratz on being able to cast 1 additional Vexing Mordinia and Splurt at the cost of 56K. With Iksar regen and Lich I'm sure it will matter

Oh you have 5 more Str and sub 40 CHA. My bad.

You could even drop the Tattered Tomb Shroud for a Green Silken Drape

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Dirtbrokenecro

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You have now spent less than 3K, gained 10 CHA with a loss of 8HP. Your unbuffed poison and disease resist are at 45 and 55 respectively where the player that spent 53K is sitting at a poison and disease resist of 26

If you wanted to gain additional mana while retaining HP at the sacrifice of some strength for hauling loot you could make these changes and still stay at a total cost of 3K

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Hobonecro

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Any one of those dirt cheap combinations of gear will easily get you to 60 where you will want to be raiding anyways to get the gear that actually matters

[DeathsSilkyMist]

...


I appreciate that you tried to give a proper answer this time. It was unfortunately spoiled by a number of unnecessary attacks on me. But we can put that aside for now, as this is progress!

1. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01 - I used a 4+ neck here, not a 6+ neck. A 4+ neck is a free rot drop. It will save you some money on buying a Necklace of Superiority. Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread.

2. 20k is not difficult to get on a Necromancer. I made more than that on my SK killing guards while leveling, and a Necromancer can solo better than an SK.

3. I never said a Necro shouldn't be farming for a CoS or other clickies. The nice thing about EC items is you can always resell them as needed. Buy gear now to help you farm/level, then resell it for CoS when you have saved up enough plat + items.

4. I never claimed the gear combinations I provided were the absolute best combinations possible, or that they are the best fit for every player starting a Necromancer. You jumped to those conclusions for no logical reason. I was simply showing that INT is common on gear that is easily found in EC. I put a lot of cheap gear in both of my examples. The Magelo had a few expensive pieces, but you can swap them out for cheaper pieces. As I said in an earlier post, you could shave like 10k on the Magelo just by replacing Djarns and Sickly Orb with a 6/65 Ring and a Sandwitch. You'd only lose 25 HP.

5. I never claimed that a Necro needs expensive gear to get to 60. But since Necros are good at farming, a lot of people will end up buying/finding the gear they want while leveling.

6. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Dirtbrokenecro This is a perfectly reasonable Magelo showing cheap gear. I have no problems with it. In your Magelo you would have 41 more INT than STA if you had put 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. My point still stands that you are going to get a lot more INT from items than STA, even when you are focusing on +HP items specifically. That is why you will end up capping INT before STA, and why STA is generally the better starting stat. You yourself seemed to suggest that losing 700 mana isn't a big deal for you. That means you aren't too worried about the 230 mana you would lose from putting 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. 288 mana if you put the 5 points into STR instead.

[Duik]

Thread End.

[Elizondo]

I appreciate that you tried to give a proper answer this time. It was unfortunately spoiled by a number of unnecessary attacks on me. But we can put that aside for now, as this is progress!

1. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01 - I used a 4+ neck here, not a 6+ neck. A 4+ neck is a free rot drop. It will save you some money on buying a Necklace of Superiority. Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread.

2. 20k is not difficult to get on a Necromancer. I made more than that on my SK killing guards while leveling, and a Necromancer can solo better than an SK.

Total cost of that gear (Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01) with CoS and NoS is more than 90K. Not 20K

Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread

[Penish]

DSM prob has a list of random points he wants to debate to the death on. Here’s a summary of his nonsense so far:

-There’s “math” to objectively say that ogres are the best shaman race.
-Shamans are a dps class and can out dps mages
-People can’t be mad about players voluntarily awakening the sleeper
-Shaman pets are tanks
-JBB is a min max item for shamans
-Clerics arent needed for 4 man content
-shamans offer more use to enchanters than clerics do
-shamans net the same pp per hour as an enchanter
-you should consider spamming taunt as +1 aggro every 6 seconds is better than nothing while ignoring the fact that there is a superior way to use taunt
-150 str on a monk is good enough
-you are trolling if you are not interested in my opinion
-iksar int is easy to max. You don’t need hp gear.
-you cannot claim ad populum yet my experience as a sk is good enough for this discussion

I’ll continue to monitor and track this so that people are aware of all these theories. I’m sure there’s some more I missed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Total cost of that gear (Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01) with CoS and NoS is more than 90K. Not 20K

Missing details like this is probably why you have a skewed interpretation of what I have been saying in this thread

You missed multiple things again. Please read my full post. Stopping on the first two points is why you don't know what I am saying.

My 20k comment was referring to you mentioning the cost of the first item set. Did you forget that you posted the 20k number? You seemed to be suggesting 20k wasn't that easy to get.

You also didn't read where I said you can take quite a bit of cost off my magelo with a few simple replacements. You can shave 10k easily with only losing 25 HP. You could go further too. You also didn't read where I said you can resell items. You do know that you can buy something to help you in the short term, and resell it when you need the money for something else like CoS?

DSM prob has a list of random points he wants to debate to the death on. Here’s a summary of his nonsense so far:

Penish and Crede can keep reposting that list of lies if they want. I can just refer back to this thread to prove I never said Iksar Necros don't need HP gear. It shows you are liars, and casts enough doubt on the rest of the list.

Please keep showing people you are liars. It doesn't hurt me. Clearly you are admitting defeat yet again in this thread. You are reduced to attacking people rather than countering anything I have said with facts and logic. I am not sure why you think people will believe proven liars.

Also beware of playing with Penish in the future:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3653255#post3653255

He will purposely group with you under false pretenses and video record you in an attempt to capture you making a mistake. He will try to use this in the future as ammunition to try and discredit you. Unfortunately for him he isn't good enough at the game to understand basic game mechanics like camp cycling mobs, so he didn't get what he was after. I hope he posts the video so we can see proof that he does this to other players in game.

Crede isn't keeping very good company with another proven liar like Penish.

[Elizondo]

You missed multiple things again. Please read my full post. Stopping on the first two points is why you don't know what I am saying.

My 20k comment was referring to you mentioning the cost of the first item set. Did you forget that you posted the 20k number? You seemed to be suggesting 20k wasn't that easy to get.

What I'm suggesting is that a smart player will invest 3k (or even less) into gearing a necro enough to get to 60 and dedicate all the money he makes leveling to getting his hands on a CoS as quickly as possible.

Not farming 20k for all Int gear with no hp and then working on farming another 30k to finally get a CoS. Your actual magelo where you claimed the items were 'easy to get' exceeds 50k and the poor sap that takes your bad advice is going to need to farm almost 90k to finally get his hands on the one item that matters. A CoS.

It's absurd and terrible advice

You also didn't read where I said you can take quite a bit of cost off my magelo with a few simple replacements. You can shave 10k easily with only losing 25 HP. You could go further too. You also didn't read where I said you can resell items. You do know that you can buy something to help you in the short term, and resell it when you need the money for something else like CoS?

Why bother with all that? Sitting in the tunnel trying to move items when you can spend 3k and dedicate your time to getting levels and getting a CoS. Necros don't need a lot of Int or even a massive mana pool. What they need is efficient mana sustain. You get that by stacking hp. This is why Iksar is miles ahead any other necro race. They can sustain and not expel mana to regen lost health with inefficient lifetaps.

So the gap between us is more than 50k for a net gain of 150hp and 6-700 mana

Go ahead and shave off some plat by swapping out a few items but why stop there? Just go for the gear I listed and you're set. I even made a few adjustments and I'm still at 3k

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Skidrownecro

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I even have almost 90CHA with just a Crude Stein as an Iksar. Your 50k+ Magelo sits at a sub 40 CHA. More than a 50 point gap. Good luck lulling mobs in HS with that (even with CHA items in your bags). Better bring a lot of coffins and bags of emeralds.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

What I'm suggesting is that a smart player will invest 3k (or even less) into gearing a necro enough to get to 60 and dedicate all the money he makes leveling to getting his hands on a CoS as quickly as possible.

Not farming 20k for all Int gear with no hp and then working on farming another 30k to finally get a CoS. Your actual magelo where you claimed the items were 'easy to get' exceeds 50k and the poor sap that takes your bad advice is going to need to farm almost 90k to finally get his hands on the one item that matters. A CoS.

It's absurd and terrible advice

Why bother with all that? Sitting in the tunnel trying to move items when you can spend 3k and dedicate your time to getting levels and getting a CoS. Necros don't need a lot of Int or even a massive mana pool. What they need is efficient mana sustain. You get that by stacking hp. This is why Iksar is miles ahead any other necro race. They can sustain and not expel mana to regen lost health with inefficient lifetaps.



You don't seem to realize that you can farm 20k, buy stuff with it, and resell the stuff to get the 20k back. Trying to tell people they should not do that is the only bad advise being given. Increasing the ability of your character while you are 30K short of a CoS by buying gear will allow you to farm money faster.

You don't need to sit in EC to sell gear these days, there is the forums and some great discord channels that keep track of EC. Just post your wares and keep playing normally. Just login for 30 seconds on a mule and sell the gear when you find a buyer.

There is no reason why a guy who spent 50k on items needs to keep all of those items lol. You don't need to keep all the gear and then farm the full amount for a CoS. Once you get enough plat + items for CoS, sell what you need to sell and get the CoS. No unnecessary farming needed.


So the gap between us is more than 50k for a net gain of 150hp and 6-700 mana

Go ahead and shave off some plat by swapping out a few items but why stop there? Just go for the gear I listed and you're set. I even made a few adjustments and I'm still at 3k

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Skidrownecro

I even have almost 90CHA with just a Crude Stein as an Iksar. Your 50k+ Magelo sits at a sub 40 CHA. More than a 50 point gap. Good luck lulling mobs in HS with that (even with CHA items in your bags). Better bring a lot of coffins and bags of emeralds.

I don't know why you are trying to compete with my Magelo. Nowhere did I say my Magelo was the best Magelo out there, or that your Magelo was bad. I think your Magelo is fine. You simply missed what I said in my previous post, again. You really need to learn to read people's full posts before making comments:


6. https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Dirtbrokenecro This is a perfectly reasonable Magelo showing cheap gear. I have no problems with it. In your Magelo you would have 41 more INT than STA if you had put 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. My point still stands that you are going to get a lot more INT from items than STA, even when you are focusing on +HP items specifically. That is why you will end up capping INT before STA, and why STA is generally the better starting stat. You yourself seemed to suggest that losing 700 mana isn't a big deal for you. That means you aren't too worried about the 230 mana you would lose from putting 25 points into STA and 5 points into INT. 288 mana if you put the 5 points into STR instead.

[Elizondo]

No unnecessary farming needed.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Hand_of_the_Reaper +15 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Gnoll_Hide_Tome +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar_Hide_Manual +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Supple_Scale_Armband +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Steel_Wristband_of_Strategy + 7 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Braided_Cinch_Cord +4 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Fancy_Velvet_Mantle +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Black_Alloy_Medallion +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Astral_Leggings_of_the_Titans +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Iksar_Hide_Cap +7 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Skin_Gloves +6 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Diamond_Wedding_Band +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Di%60zok_Begirding +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Coldain_Skin_Boots +8 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Mask_of_Secrets +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Ivandyr%27s_Hoop +6 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Batskull_Earring +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Tolapumj%27s_Robe +10 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cloak_of_the_Maelstrom +5 INT
https://wiki.project1999.com/Loam_Encrusted_Sleeves +5 INT

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:TestNecroStatsNonRaid01

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

You aren't making any points by reposting what I have already posted. I never claimed these gear sets were the best. They are just examples showing that INT is easy to get via gear you can buy in EC, as I have stated multiple times now. This is why STA is generally the best starting stat for a Necromancer. You seem to think that mana isn't that important, as you are dismissing 700 mana. So I am not sure why you want to suggest INT for starting stats.

A casual Necromancer who is killing guards while leveling can farm a good amount of money and buy whatever they want from these examples, or the Magelos you provided. My Shadowknight farmed tens of thousands of plat by killing guards while leveling, and Necromancers can farm better than SK's. I am not sure what your issue is here.

You can resell the big items easily like the Crimson Robe of Alendine, Djarns Amethyst Ring, Hand of the Reaper, etc. to buy a pre-nerf Circlet of Shadow when you have the item value + plat to do so.

If people want to farm money and get gear with said money, there is no problem with this. That is one of the major draws of the game. Selling items to buy other items you need is a normal part of the game. Not everybody wants to play a Necromancer from 1-60 naked, or with the bare minimum of gear. Some players also twink their characters, and have no problem dropping 100k+ on a new character.

[Elizondo]

You aren't making any points by reposting what I have already posted. I never claimed these gear sets were the best. They are just examples showing that INT is easy to get via gear you can buy in EC, as I have stated multiple times now. This is why STA is generally the best starting stat for a Necromancer. You seem to think that mana isn't that important, as you are dismissing 700 mana. So I am not sure why you want to suggest INT for starting stats.

A casual Necromancer who is killing guards while leveling can farm a good amount of money and buy whatever they want from these examples, or the Magelos you provided. My Shadowknight farmed tens of thousands of plat by killing guards while leveling, and Necromancers can farm better than SK's. I am not sure what your issue is here.

You can resell the big items easily like the Crimson Robe of Alendine, Djarns Amethyst Ring, Hand of the Reaper, etc. to buy a pre-nerf Circlet of Shadow when you have the item value + plat to do so.

If people want to farm money and get gear with said money, there is no problem with this. That is one of the major draws of the game. Selling items to buy other items you need is a normal part of the game. Not everybody wants to play a Necromancer from 1-60 naked, or with the bare minimum of gear. Some players also twink their characters, and have no problem dropping 100k+ on a new character.

Have you ever played a Necromancer to level 60?

You want to argue for the sake of arguing and you've never even played the class

Just explain to me why anyone would farm a robe of Alendine, Djarn Ring and a Reaper ect ect (50K+ in gear lol) BEFORE getting a CoS

[Toxigen]

If you don't have a Z heart you're not even playing necro.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Just explain to me why anyone would farm a robe of Alendine, Djarn Ring and a Reaper ect ect (50K+ in gear lol) BEFORE getting a CoS

If you read my previous post you would have the answer to this question already. Why do you keep not reading posts and then asking a question that has already been answered?

If you don't have a Z heart you're not even playing necro.

Z Heart is awesome indeed.

[fortior]

Who gives a shit about maxing int while leveling a necro anyway? You're charming, which means hp > everything. Just slap on some hp jewelry and some random junk gear and you're good.

Prenerf CoS is great but postnerf CoS is also good and almost free. For instant charm break, goblin gazughi ring is much cheaper and a new player could farm their own one at 20-25ish (before charming becomes good, so a great moment to prep for it).

[Elizondo]

Who gives a shit about maxing int while leveling a necro anyway? You're charming, which means hp > everything. Just slap on some hp jewelry and some random junk gear and you're good.