What's the deal with mages?

[mojojellyfish]

Are they really as bad as people say? I like the "boring" classes, but all I ever see about them is how bad they are. Starting up on green again and they seem like a solid class from a relative noobs standpoint.

[Crede]

Mages are a great class. Whoever said they are bad is probably talking about the raid scene where they just become coth bots.

Their pets are effective both solo and in groups. You will out dps most other classes in an xp group as well unless maybe against mega twinks or charmed pets. They’re also a good raw pp farming class if you want something easy.

I’d recommend enc as a first class for a higher earning potential, but if you want something simpler who doesn’t need much and can farm you some pp while still being an effective soloer/grouper then mage is a good choice.

[PatChapp]

Mages are just very weak at higher levels. Their great up to that point,and if you get some of their clicky items can be fun on raids.
Epic is very rare,hotly contested. Don't go on thinking you'll ever get one,but some people do

[Toxigen]

zero CC

[DeathsSilkyMist]

zero CC

This is the reason why Mages are weak unfortunately.

Their stronger pets do not make up for the loss of CC.

They can do good DPS in a group when the pet isn't tanking, but they aren't the best group DPS class.

Enchanter or Rogue is going to do more DPS on average. Mage can do good burst damage in a pinch, but you drain your mana, so it isn't sustainable.

Mage with Epic pet is going to be much closer to a Rogue in terms of DPS, but it's the hardest Epic in the game to get.

TLDR: They aren't as good at soloing due to lack of CC. They aren't as good of a group DPS as other DPS classes until you get Epic, which is probably not going to happen.

This is why they end up as CoTH bots. You are going to get more mileage from another class, unless you really like killing bunches of green mobs in Droga.

[Snaggles]

They are as inflexible for gameplay as warriors or rogues. Just the caster version.

As a +1 DPS for group or duo/trios they bring a lot to the table. The pets are underrated because most people dont parse or understand how DS' add up. My focused water pet has smoked many monks and some rogues in non-raid situations.

[loramin]

This is the reason why Mages are weak unfortunately.

Their stronger pets do not make up for the loss of CC.

They can do good DPS in a group when the pet isn't tanking, but they aren't the best group DPS class.

Enchanter or Rogue is going to do more DPS on average. Mage can do good burst damage in a pinch, but you drain your mana, so it isn't sustainable.

Mage with Epic pet is going to be much closer to a Rogue in terms of DPS, but it's the hardest Epic in the game to get.

TLDR: They aren't as good at soloing due to lack of CC. They aren't as good of a group DPS as other DPS classes until you get Epic, which is probably not going to happen.

This is why they end up as CoTH bots. You are going to get more mileage from another class, unless you really like killing bunches of green mobs in Droga.

It's worth noting that while that's true, it's only true because P99 is (deliberately?) unclassic.

If P99 was actually like live EQ circa '99-'01, Enchanters would not be the highest damage dealers (Rogues would be, and Mages would be 2nd best).

[Snaggles]

It's worth noting that while that's true, it's only true because P99 is (deliberately?) unclassic.

If P99 was actually like live EQ circa '99-'01, Enchanters would not be the highest damage dealers (Rogues would be, and Mages would be 2nd best).

Eh, I love mages but you might throw some fine print on this. On live Mages were notoriously unpopular too, maybe less so since CoTH wasnt used as often.

[Foxplay]

Positives

Super easy leveling 1-55
Great in group exp brings good utility, and DPS
Requires little to no gear
Easy laid back play-style, assist/pet attack and nuke occasionally

Negatives

Hardest epic to get (if you like completing epics big kick in the balls)
No CC
No Lure Nukes
Most raid fights you don't want or care about summoned pet DPS
Solo farming is not anywhere near what a ENC / SHM / NEC can accomplish


Raid role is super important but most people dont like "investing" or making their main a mage just to COTH ppl and summon rods at raids. Hence why every major guild on p99 has several if not a dozen+ mage bots

DA training mage is even better. But not gear dependent (other than having the sky ring) so again can be covered by bots

[Troxx]

Solo: they can do it better than many but not top tier. Lack of CC holds them back.

Duo/Trio/group: They are top tier dps in groups, really only second to charm pets. Melee aren’t really going to be able to keep up, other than an exceptionally well geared rog (not your typical “I have epic and an EC bought offhand). They are cheap to gear and relaxed to play.

Raid: their job changes completely. pets typically not allowed in many boss fights. Nukes have a hard time landing if at all. No lure or bane. They typically are gonna mod rod and coth along with some DA tricks.

Summary

Cons: very limited utility. No CC at all other than offtank with pet.

Pros: they are monsters in the dps department for group content. For what they do, they do it exceptionally well. For anything else, you’re going to be disappointed.

They can do good DPS in a group when the pet isn't tanking, but they aren't the best group DPS class.

I xp’d for a few hours on my mage today. I don’t have water staff. My unfocused pet properly positioned averaged 80-85dps with max summon and self buffs only. Toss it a str or str/focus stack and it would have been higher. Average combined dps for the 3 hour session was 115dps plus whatever my 33pt DS on the tank was contributing on all the unslowed mobs. Highest burn was 3 mobs in a bad pull back to back with combined dps 200+ during the fun. We cycled three rogues (2 over 55 with epic) through the group and none of them were even close.

It’s not a “they can do good dps in a group” situation … the only thing that will beat them is a charm pet quadding and hasted (scaling up depending on the zone/content).

Again. From today’s session I could only parse pet hits, backstabs, DD procs and my own nukes. Every time someone in the group got hit by anything, add another 33 damage points. I wish there were some way to effectively parse that as well without going back and counting each time someone in the group took a hit.

PS: properly positioned a water pet not tanking will do more dps than epic pet. If epic pet is tanking it’s no contest due to that monster DS and water let’s inability to backstab.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Solo: they can do it better than many but not top tier. Lack of CC holds them back.

Duo/Trio/group: They are top tier dps in groups, really only second to charm pets. Melee aren’t really going to be able to keep up, other than an exceptionally well geared rog (not your typical “I have epic and an EC bought offhand). They are cheap to gear and relaxed to play.

Raid: their job changes completely. pets typically not allowed in many boss fights. Nukes have a hard time landing if at all. No lure or bane. They typically are gonna mod rod and coth along with some DA tricks.

Summary

Cons: very limited utility. No CC at all other than offtank with pet.

Pros: they are monsters in the dps department for group content. For what they do, they do it exceptionally well. For anything else, you’re going to be disappointed.



I xp’d for a few hours on my mage today. I don’t have water staff. My unfocused pet properly positioned averaged 80-85dps with max summon and self buffs only. Toss it a str or str/focus stack and it would have been higher. Average combined dps for the 3 hour session was 115dps plus whatever my 33pt DS on the tank was contributing on all the unslowed mobs. Highest burn was 3 mobs in a bad pull back to back with combined dps 200+ during the fun. We cycled three rogues (2 over 55 with epic) through the group and none of them were even close.

It’s not a “they can do good dps in a group” situation … the only thing that will beat them is a charm pet quadding and hasted (scaling up depending on the zone/content).

Again. From today’s session I could only parse pet hits, backstabs, DD procs and my own nukes. Every time someone in the group got hit by anything, add another 33 damage points. I wish there were some way to effectively parse that as well without going back and counting each time someone in the group took a hit.

PS: properly positioned a water pet not tanking will do more dps than epic pet. If epic pet is tanking it’s no contest due to that monster DS and water let’s inability to backstab.

Can you post your logs? Most people I've seen show water pet doing 60ish DPS with backstabbing. Epic pet does 90 DPS. These numbers do not include Damage Shield.

From my understanding a Mage can do 100 DPS with water pet + Boots of Bladecalling, 90 DPS with burnt staff. With DS you can get an extra 18 or so, depending on the situation.

Rogue with Epic is doing 133ish DPS last time I parsed one in an XP group.

[enjchanter]

I've parsed my epic pet on mobs lvl 50+ and it's definitely not doing 100dps on its own

[Troxx]

Can you post your logs? Most people I've seen show water pet doing 60ish DPS with backstabbing. Epic pet does 90 DPS. These numbers do not include Damage Shield.

From my understanding a Mage can do 100 DPS with water pet + Boots of Bladecalling, 90 DPS with burnt staff. With DS you can get an extra 18 or so, depending on the situation.

Rogue with Epic is doing 133ish DPS last time I parsed one in an XP group.

As has been shown in another thread 449 pages in length, “your understanding” of Mage is severely lacking. Boots of bladecalling has a 17 second cast time man. Great situational item but depending on kill speed you might not even get the click off before the mob is dead. For what it’s worth I have neither of those mana free clickies. I find my spell book to be perfectly sufficient.

I’ll compile parses tomorrow after work. Current iteration of Level 60 water pet at max summon, burnout IV, and muzzle is well above 60dps on group content. It typically equals if not out-performs epic pet following the nerf (epic no longer quads for 80) if positioned appropriately. It’s not a better global pet mind you, but in the singular role of putting out damage it does so quite well. By itself it will typically beat out the vast majority of melee to include your standard epic/EC group geared rogue.

I haven’t ever consistently parsed a rog doing “133ish DPS” without velious raid gear (well beyond epic).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I've parsed my epic pet on mobs lvl 50+ and it's definitely not doing 100dps on its own

Allishia posted some logs of her Epic Pet, which I parsed. It was doing 85-90 DPS on blue con mobs, including all the procs. This was with Burnout IV and a Muzzle. When tanking, the Epic Damage Shield is doing around 25-30 DPS on unslowed blue mobs. The mob gets hit for 50 damage per hit.

In a group the Epic Pet isn't going to be tanking generally speaking, so you are going to be losing some DPS by using a casted DS. You'll lose more DPS if you are slowing the mob.

People don't seem too keen on posting full logs of a Water pet. It would be nice to just get some full logs of a Water pet so we can parse them.

From the last batch of data Troxx gave (no logs sadly):

This data is reportedly from a group Troxx had in Sebilis Crypt:

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/a1/ba/b2/MECDEYY_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/6a/07/fa/MECDEYZ_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/c9/a2/8b/MECDEZ3_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/fb/d3/16/MECDEZ5_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/e2/a6/8c/MECDEZ7_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/77/a5/43/MECDEZ9_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/d8/83/a6/MECDF2B_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/3e/cc/60/MECDF2D_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/34/2a/e4/MECDF2F_o.png

His pet is buffed with Burnout IV, and it is a level 60 Water Pet Unfocused. Pet level is guessed at 1 level under max, since a few parses show the max hit of 58.

Average pet DPS using the "DPS" value: (52 + 55 + 50 + 57 + 75 + 52 + 56 + 60 + 46) / 9 = 56 DPS. EDIT: switching to "DPS" value since I am not sure what "scaled" is accounting for.

I think Troxx said Gamparse included the pet procs in the player DPS instead of the pet DPS. So this sounds about right according to his own data. The Epic Pet was doing about 6 procs per minute, and the Water pet DD is 100ish. Assuming 6 procs per minute, that is about 11 DPS, so 56 + 11 is roughly 67 DPS.

He can post the raw logs though so we can parse them instead. He doesn't like doing that for some strange reason.

Boots of Bladcalling/Burnt Wood Staff will do more DPS than mana nukes. You cannot regenerate the mana fast enough to consistently do 35 DPS. You can consistently spam boots/staff. Your average fight time in those parses was 27 seconds, so you could do 1x Boots click + 1x Staff click for 34 DPS per mob.

[Troxx]

https://images4.imagebam.com/b7/0d/69/MEOILXP_o.png

I don't have time to do it all tonight. Here's an isolated fight I found vs VS pit mob Spectral Knight (among the highest level in the zone) where I didn't nuke at all. Pet melee dps clocks in at 78dps. When you factor in his single nuke of 116 (attributed to Ailowen), the pet was 83.4dps. DS added a total of 231 dmg this fight for an additional 10dps.

Isolated example but pretty consistent with what was happening for 3 straight hours.
Even sitting on her ass, my mage contributed ~90 passive dps.

Gamparse gets weird when you combine loads of fights where you're pulling 3-6 mobs at a time and deflects everyone's dps downward. What I can say was in this group over the last half hour my nukes and my pet was fully 64.78% of the total damage done not factoring in dmg shield.

Rogue was epic.
Warrior (56) was rocking epic 2hs
Mindmelt was a god of a bardly puller
We had near permanent drive by c2 and enchanter haste on top of bard song

But yes. Mages are top tier group dps for leveling. My mage has zero raid gear, no water focus staff, and no epic.

More to come tomorrow.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

https://images4.imagebam.com/b7/0d/69/MEOILXP_o.png

I don't have time to do it all tonight. Here's an isolated fight I found vs VS pit mob Spectral Knight (among the highest level in the zone) where I didn't nuke at all. Pet melee dps clocks in at 78dps. When you factor in his single nuke of 116 (attributed to Ailowen), the pet was 83.4dps. DS added a total of 231 dmg this fight for an additional 10dps.

Isolated example but pretty consistent with what was happening for 3 straight hours.
Even sitting on her ass, my mage contributed ~90 passive dps.

Gamparse gets weird when you combine loads of fights where you're pulling 3-6 mobs at a time and deflects everyone's dps downward. What I can say was in this group over the last half hour my nukes and my pet was fully 64.78% of the total damage done not factoring in dmg shield.

Rogue was epic.
Warrior (56) was rocking epic 2hs
Mindmelt was a god of a bardly puller

Yeah no worries about doing it tonight. Just post the raw logs when you get time and I can parse them. Your previous data showed 75ish DPS as well on a single fight, but the average was much lower. Most of the DPS parses from your crypt data weren't in the 70s, they were in the 50s.

Since Gamparse "gets weird" when fighting multiple mobs, we need to parse the logs manually.

[Troxx]

You want me to post 3 hours worth of raw logs?

Lol

Remember that the previous set of mobs was seb crypt. These fights are from Waffle House (Karnors Castle). Mob level will have a big impact on dps - pet dps and player melee dps alike. I did pick this particular set of mobs as they were the highest we could pull given how overcamped the zone was. I tried to pick the toughest mobs, not the green con spectral curates that my pet would occasionally crack 95-105 dps on.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You want me to post 3 hours worth of raw logs?

Lol

Remember that the previous set of mobs was seb crypt. These fights are from Waffle House (Karnors Castle). Mob level will have a big impact on dps - pet dps and player melee dps alike.

No. I'll parse the raw logs for you. Just post them please.

[Troxx]

In another thread in sub forum there is a relevant thread titled something like “mage epic —— game changer?”. There’s good information there.

No it's not a gamechanger unless your game is farming green cons or duoing with it as your tank.

Higher DS, more hps, stun proc, higher melee hits. A pretty no-brainer for that stuff. It seems to always come out the same level hitting for 67's too where the water pet can take half a dozen summons or so to get a 60'hitter. The earth pet is quite durable, non-focused hits for 60 tops and bashes, and is the only one with a root proc that lands on all sorts of stuff. So in short our pets are great and one is simply the best all-around performer.

I don't have the mage epic but a lot of my guildies do have it. I have done a LOT of parsing with the focused water pet. I'll usually bring the mage instead of my ranger just out of curiosity to small group kills. Fay, Uulump, Lhranc, Miragul, Xenvorash, etc. With proper positioning for backstabs the water does about 10% more on red cons that won't get hit with the pet's spell damage. I expect on on stuff that the spells land on it's closer to equal (I can't see other spell dmg parses). With horrid positioning, the epic pulls ahead because it's not reliant on backstabs.

Compared to players, on stuff like Vindi, it falls mid-tier for DPS; out of say 30 people meleeing it's often in the low teens. That's more a testament to how bad most melees parse though than how good a water pet is. I spent a couple of hours in seb and my water pet was trading coin flips with our 57 rogue on who was doing more DPS, and that was without a proper tank knowing where to aim a mob. It was doing consistently about twice the dps of our 55 ranger.

If you see the mage as a +1 DPS and are ignoring COTH, Mala/sini, nukes, and the DS it's still a great class. The pet on normal grind stuff performs far better than the average melee and never pulls aggro. On red cons like Vindi, it still holds up ok (and again never pulls aggro). What not having the epic does cost you is a ton of stats and the annoyance of having to recycle pets for a "good one" when you need to help out.

Would I love the epic? Sure, hell yea. I might end up with an earth staff someday if the stars align. I don't personally feel I'm lacking anything though. Put velocity on the water pet and get good at changing its position and quickly re-attacking. Just pretend you arent a warmbody rogue and even a filthy casual mage can keep up.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3561837&postcount=9

The point is that the mage water pet by itself does more than enough damage (by itself) to put mages in the top tier for dps. This ignores the direct contributions from the mage itself - nukes, DS, malo (situational), rod (situational), coth (situational).

Melees simply cannot compete unless they are atrociously overgeared for the content. Even then, the combination of the pet and the mage together still keeps the mage, at worst, extremely competitive if not still better.

For what mages are good at, they are REALLY good at it. Globally? They don’t scale with raid gear, can’t reliably land nukes on raid mobs, and don’t have any meaningful cc.

Like it or not, they are top tier group dps. For solo they are capable enough to never need a group to efficiently hit 60.

They aren’t bad, their role just changes into something entirely different in raids. Still of vital importance … but completely unlike what they do from level 1 to 60 in non raid environments.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

In another thread in sub forum there is a relevant thread titled something like “mage epic —— game changer?”. There’s good information there.



https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3561837&postcount=9

The point is that the mage water pet by itself does more than enough damage (by itself) to put mages in the top tier for dps. This ignores the direct contributions from the mage itself - nukes, DS, malo (situational), rod (situational), coth (situational).

Melees simply cannot compete unless they are atrociously overgeared for the content. Even then, the combination of the pet and the mage together still keeps the mage, at worst, extremely competitive if not still better.

For what mages are good at, they are REALLY good at it. Globally? They don’t scale with raid gear, can’t reliably land nukes on raid mobs, and don’t have any meaningful cc.

Like it or not, they are top tier group dps. For solo they are capable enough to never need a group to efficiently hit 60.

They aren’t bad, their role just changes into something entirely different in raids. Still of vital importance … but completely unlike what they do from level 1 to 60 in non raid environments.

Based on the data I've seen they are not top tier DPS.

Your own data shows your pet doing around 67 DPS in Crypt, which is consistently being out-done by the Enchanter. With Nukes you are doing basically 100 DPS, + 18 DPS or so with DS, assuming the optimal scenario for DS.

Rogues are going to be doing higher damage than that too on blue mobs. As I said before, the last Rogue I parsed in Crypt was doing around 133 DPS on blue mobs.

The Rogue you are grouping with is level 52. They might have been lower when you grouped with them, as they started at 49 today. This means your DPS is going to be higher naturally. They have Epic and a 0.5 ratio weapon in offhand. 34% worn haste.

[Troxx]

For the record I would never guild “main” a mage on p99 or waste dkp on one. It won’t make you a better mage in raids … and for group content the gear is unnecessary. Raid gear and the dkp needed to buy it is better spent on a tank/melee (main or alt).

[Troxx]

Based on the data I've seen they are not top tier DPS.

Your own data shows your pet doing around 67 DPS in Crypt, which is consistently being out-done by the Enchanter. With Nukes you are doing basically 100 DPS, + 18 DPS or so with DS, assuming the optimal scenario for DS.

Rogues are going to be doing higher damage than that too on blue mobs. As I said before, the last Rogue I parsed in Crypt was doing around 133 DPS on blue mobs.

The Rogue you are grouping with is level 52. They might have been lower when you grouped with them, as they started at 49 today. This means your DPS is going to be higher naturally. They have Epic and a 0.5 ratio weapon in offhand.


You edited out the discussion in the parses you quoted from me. Original source can be found here:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923&page=19

Starting with this line of posts:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3495244&postcount=181

https://images4.imagebam.com/94/02/9b/MECCRK4_o.png

Bear in mind that things get weird when you combine fights. Actual dps levels for everyone involved (scaled or otherwise) are below actual real time values parsed.

I have highlighted myself and my 60 water pet unfocused.

Xeff: high level sk well geared; engaged first always
Grandmaster: 60 monk with tunare's fist of tunare and priceless velium wraps 15/20
Konober and Kekab: epic mage pet from another epic. I can only guess he didn't mask it or keep it hasted like it should have been.

Comparatively Ailowen + unfocused 60 water pet is the highlighted above.

See the monk's time engaged and you can see why he was below the SK and lower than me to such a degree; he spent a lot of time not engaged. What you can see is that mage dps is very good. This parse undervalues on the combine by a good 30% as my parse system is not perfect.

Keep in mind, I pointed out how gamparse gets weird when you compile multiple fights. What you can see, however, is how the total damage done panned out.

This monk was level 60 with tunare fists and 15/20 offhand (Grandmasterr). Xeff was a level 60 velious raid geared sk.

You then were all “Aha! You only did 80dps” based off the compiles despite being told why everyone’s was artificially low. 6 pages later I gave you samples of single target fights.

The next line of posts/parses you quoted can be found on this page:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923&page=25

Just got home from work. Want singles broken out not compiled? Heres a few

https://images4.imagebam.com/a1/ba/b2/MECDEYY_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/6a/07/fa/MECDEYZ_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/c9/a2/8b/MECDEZ3_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/fb/d3/16/MECDEZ5_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/e2/a6/8c/MECDEZ7_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/77/a5/43/MECDEZ9_o.png

Later on in same group after I had to make a new pet. I call this series "omg the mage out-dps'd the enchanter pet!

https://images4.imagebam.com/d8/83/a6/MECDF2B_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/3e/cc/60/MECDF2D_o.png

https://images4.imagebam.com/34/2a/e4/MECDF2F_o.png

Look man they just go on and on and all mostly look like this except the fights where I had to step away to take a pee or do something for my kid. I never got close to running out of mana the whole time we were down there. I told you it looks goofy and gets all skewed when you just do a mass fight compile.

Mages are excellent group dps.

Shamans ... are not. You don't invite shamans to the group for dps. You invite them for all the lovely things they do so absolutely well. Strong class, but not strong dps in a fast moving group setting. None of these mobs would have lived long enough for you to get any meaningful damage from your dots ... so you'd be left with JBB clicks and otherwise 'meh' nukes and a weakling pet.

#micdrop

These breakaway parses from the aggregate were to show you how gamparse gets goofy on big compiles and to show you that everyone’s dps was actually a lot higher than the aggregate.

Bear in mind this was all part of a 449 page thread where you were insisting shamans could compete with mages in a high dps, fast moving theoretical caster group of 4 that included 2 hasted quadding charm pets and a cleric … with either a mage or a shaman as the 4th.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

These breakaway parses from the aggregate were to show you how gamparse gets goofy on big compiles and to show you that everyone’s dps was actually a lot higher than the aggregate.


If Gamparse "gets goofy", just post the logs so we can parse it. You keep saying the parses are off, but won't post the logs. Same with the other thread.

Why is this so difficult?

Just because you say the numbers are "higher", it doesn't mean your pet is automatically doing 80 DPS on average. The average DPS of your pet on the break-away parses was 56, not including the pet DD. Assuming 6 procs per minute, that is 67 DPS. None of your data currently shows an average of 80-85 DPS from your pet, which is what you were suggesting earlier.

Also remember the Rogue you were parsing was somewhere between level 49-52, so that isn't a fair comparison to Rogues. You are level 60. A level 49-52 Mage would also be doing lower damage.

[Troxx]

Just because you say the numbers are "higher", it doesn't mean your pet is automatically doing 80 DPS on average. The average DPS of your pet on the break-away parses was 56, not including the pet DD. Assuming 6 procs per minute, that is 67 DPS. None of your data currently shows an average of 80 DPS from your pet.

Im hoping you are aware that KC mobs (lcy/parapets with VS pit ganks) and seb crypt mobs are very different sets of targets. Level range difference is NOT insignificant. The higher the level of the mob and the higher it’s ac … the lower the pet (and all melee for that matter) will perform. How well a pet does vs KC garbage does not directly translate to how well it will do in the bowels of a high level area of seb.

What is most telling on that aggregate parse was how well the mage + pet combo did compared to the level 60 raid monk with tunare fist and ST fist.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Fist_of_Nature

https://wiki.project1999.com/Priceless_Velium_Fist_Wraps

That’s bleeding edge gear.

Monk clocked in at 48dps. Water pet (unfocused) at 40dps. Mage added another 39dps (though a chunk of that is from water pet procs). DS wasn’t captured.

I dunno man, a group geared mage netting 79 aggregate deflated dps vs a monk thusly geared netting a 48 aggregate deflated dps … … Im pretty sure that qualifies as “top tier group dps”.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Im hoping you are aware that KC mobs (lcy/parapets with VS pit ganks) and seb crypt mobs are very different sets of targets. Level range difference is NOT insignificant. The higher the level of the mob and the higher it’s ac … the lower the pet (and all melee for that matter) will perform. How well a pet does vs KC garbage does not directly translate to how well it will do in the bowels of a high level area of seb.

What is most telling on that aggregate parse was how well the mage + pet combo did compared to the level 60 raid monk with tunare fist and ST fist.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Fist_of_Nature

https://wiki.project1999.com/Priceless_Velium_Fist_Wraps

That’s bleeding edge gear.

Monk clocked in at 48dps. Water pet (unfocused) at 40dps. Mage added another 39dps (though a chunk of that is from water pet procs). DS wasn’t captured.

I dunno man, a group geared mage netting 79 aggregate deflated dps vs a monk thusly geared netting a 48 aggregate deflated dps … … Im pretty sure that qualifies as “top tier group dps”.

Just post the logs so we can parse it. None of the data you've shown shows your pet doing 80-85 DPS on average. I am not sure why you keep making this claim when literally all of your data shows otherwise so far.

I am not saying the data doesn't exist, but you are very resistant to posting it for some strange reason.

For the Monk DPS parses, it is difficult to say how accurate they are since you haven't posted logs or videos. When parsing other players, you need to consistently be within range of them, or you will lose text messages. According to https://wiki.project1999.com/Tranquil_Staff a 60 Monk with tripple attack and T-Staff is getting 130 DPS. It is possible you simply missed a lot of the Monk's messages due to being out of range. In raid parses I have seen Monks near 100 DPS, and that is on a Mob with much higher level/AC than a blue mob you find in Seb.

[Troxx]

According to https://wiki.project1999.com/Tranquil_Staff a 60 Monk with tripple attack and T-Staff is getting 130 DPS. It is possible you simply missed a lot of the Monk's messages due to being out of range. In raid parses I have seen Monks near 100 DPS, and that is on a Mob with much higher level/AC than a blue mob you find in Seb.

I actually have a level 60 monk with TStaff. Do you? I have parsed it with 100% haste and max str. I know what they are capable of. It’s very solid dps but not as high as my mage + pet and certainly not 130 sustained dps on any content that yields xp … including KC trash.

TStaff monk at 60 will beat out the water pet by itself. So will my 60 warrior with 42/43 Frostreaver. My 60 paladin will hang out in about the same dps range as the pet by itself with NToV Greatspear of Dawn. But when you add in the magician nukes (even ignoring the DS), the mage wins consistently every time over the course of a session.

Sorry. Your source is wrong.

If I’m close enough to log my pets melee dps, I’m close enough to log and parse any melee dps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I actually have a level 60 monk with TStaff. Do you? I have parsed it with 100% haste and max str. I know what they are capable of. It’s very solid dps but not as high as my mage + pet and certainly not 130 sustained dps on any content that yields xp … including KC trash.

TStaff monk at 60 will beat out the water pet by itself. So will my 60 warrior with 42/43 Frostreaver. My 60 paladin will hang out in about the same dps range as the pet by itself with NToV Greatspear of Dawn. But when you add in the magician nukes (even ignoring the DS), the mage wins consistently every time over the course of a session.

Sorry. Your source is wrong.

If I’m close enough to log my pets melee dps, I’m close enough to log and parse any melee dps.

Raid geared monks can parse 90+ DPS on raid targets. Raid geared rogues can parse over 100 DPS on raid targets. These numbers are going to be higher on blues. Your Monk parse in Sebilis is simply wrong.

You can post logs of your monk and your mage if you are so confident. It is strange you are so relucant to post something that is easy for you to acquire.

[long.liam]

Are they really as bad as people say? I like the "boring" classes, but all I ever see about them is how bad they are. Starting up on green again and they seem like a solid class from a relative noobs standpoint.

Mages are only bad or weak compared to all the other caster classes and honestly it's really only significant post 45 when NPC HP and Max hit is so much more than summoned pets. Also no CC makes them basically on par with a warrior or Rogue for survivability. Although, they do gate which helps some, but they are also way less tanky than a rogue or warrior.

[PatChapp]

Mages are only bad or weak compared to all the other caster classes and honestly it's really only significant post 45 when NPC HP and Max hit is so much more than summoned pets. Also no CC makes them basically on par with a warrior or Rogue for survivability. Although, they do gate which helps some, but they are also way less tanky than a rogue or warrior.
At 45 mage still feels very powerful
It's 55+ that they start to falter,and really only in a solo setting
Mages are a great group class if their careful with their pet not breaking mezes.
I have never seen my 60 water pet parse over 90+ DPS, maybe on very low lvl mobs that's possible

[Snaggles]

As with most posts we should probably define what “top tier dps” means. Even a raw number is useless unless compared to players numbers on the same fight. A rogue on Dain is not the same as a rogue on some random blue in Seb. It’s highly dependent on…
* Level vs player or pet (advantage PC)
* If the dps player has a good tank working with them (pet won’t pull aggro; repositioning for backstabs with a pet is slower)
* Speed of engage and ability to track mob if pathing sucks (advantage pet)
* Is it even viable to summon a pet at all? (Most raid advantages = PC)

I’ve parsed a lot of focused water pets on silly fights. Vindi, Xenevorash, Brother Z/Q, Lhranc, Miragul. Assuming you pick up all the melee on your log (pets stand back further than most PC’s) outside 60+ stuff they can do solid damage. Most Vindi’s with they do 40-45dps which seems low until you scroll down to how many PC’s are being beat by the pet. Some weird high AC fights like Xene they can easily out damage players.

The epic pet doesn’t backstab. This is a white damage that lands pretty hard even on 60+ targets. Even with 60 as the max melee hit (which can take half a dozen summons sometimes to get) vs 67 as a consistent summon on the epic neither will land spells on those tougher targets. Advantage Water, to about 10%. Even if spells do land you can’t ignore the extra 180 BS if positioning is possible or you don’t have a bad tank. I’ve beat more epic pets than I’ve lost to. You just have to show up early to get a good one and try a bit harder pointing it in the right direction.

I’ve said it before, a proper mage pet on raid level stuff about on par with a generic level 60 knight or ranger. On lower level grind stuff (blues to the player) they are closer to casual geared monk or even rogue capabilities. Not talking Mryo dagger, primal, Abashi players. They hold up better than one would think being level 45 or whatever. Not to mention the mage having a great DS and 150dps on tap for when it’s needed.

[Snaggles]

Raid geared monks can parse 90+ DPS on raid targets. Raid geared rogues can parse over 100 DPS on raid targets. These numbers are going to be higher on blues. Your Monk parse in Sebilis is simply wrong.

You can post logs of your monk and your mage if you are so confident. It is strange you are so relucant to post something that is easy for you to acquire.

There is literally is nothing comparable between seb blues and raid targets.
One thing to keep in mind is pets are not reliant on gear. They plateau immediately once summoned at a level with little tweaks the player can make. “Monks on raids” could mean anything. From tstaff to raid loot to some casual scrub with an adamantite club because they didn’t get the memo those suck in 2023.

[Crede]

I’d take a mage in a group as my primary dps over any other class any day except maybe a necro or enc who is charming.

The mage toolkit is just perfectly suited for dps. They can also achieve these numbers with lower APM than any other class which I think is significant as I believe most people do have an APM bucket.

When I think of people being lazy in groups, rogues usually come to mind. I’ve come across some that don’t even hit backstab every time. It takes a lot more effort to stay positioned and continuously backstab then a mage who can just send a pet in and drop occasional nukes/ds to put out big numbers.

If you find the right solo camps I’ve also found killing stuff almost easier than any other class I’ve come across. A focused fire pet paired with mage nukes can take you to 55 ridiculously easy. It almost feels like cheating how easy it is to kill something. 55+ is a different level of difficulty that can also be done easily with a mage solo if you know where to go it just might not be quite as fast as mobs start to get a lot more difficult overall.

There’s probably a lot of people who will tell you they suck because they’ve never played one or have only logged one in as a coth bot. And look up quad da mages if you want to see some cool shit they’ve done in raids.

TLDR - mages kick ass

[Troxx]

Raid geared monks can parse 90+ DPS on raid targets. Raid geared rogues can parse over 100 DPS on raid targets. These numbers are going to be higher on blues. Your Monk parse in Sebilis is simply wrong.

Look man, the cool thing about data is that it is just that … data. It happened. You can argue with numbers all you want, but it happened.

As pointed out repeatedly, that was a compilation of fights and the one area gamparse struggles with. The monk was quite a lot higher than 48 dps. The important take away was that this tunare fisted with 15/20 monk was only 20% higher dps than the water pet. For this particular camp the monk geared thusly was 40% lower dps than the mage and pet together before factoring in DS. Remember that crypt cycles take 7-10 fewer minutes to clear than repops happen. This camp undeniably favored the mage due to the automatic built in Med breaks. Had we been in a theoretical scenario where pulls and fighting never stopped it would have been much much (much) closer. You’ve run the math on this. Without non combat time to catch up on mana the mage will eventually have to drop to actual sustained dps. Conjuration spec nuke at 3.33 mana to damage efficiency this works out to 16.65 spell dps as the max theoretical with c2 but probably closer to 13 dps factoring in med tick misses, resists, and mana needed to rehaste pet and update DD. That’s less than burnt wood staff clicky.

Under that theoretical situation where there is no between fight downtime, the monk would have been either slightly ahead or about dead even factoring in everything.

This is why I will continue to assert that yes, mages are a top tier dps class. If a garbage geared mage with an unfocused pet can keep up with a velious raid geared monk under cherry picked situations that play to the mages weaknesses, that’s stellar.

You can post logs of your monk and your mage if you are so confident. It is strange you are so relucant to post something that is easy for you to acquire.

Probably because my last reply was from bed and I’m now at work. I’ll be home in 10 hours and can put up some monk parses.

My TStaff monk fully group buffed (ench haste and sham str stack to 255 but nothing fancy like avatar or Ranger buffs) will reliably put out 90-110 dps on lower level xp trash. This is better than the mage pet by itself but below the mage’s sustained dps and less than half what my mage can burn when stuff needs to die quickly in an emergency. Scars of Sigil in first gem slot with a GCD clicky is a 450 point nuke every 2-2.1 seconds. That’s a lot of burn potential.

In higher group areas still consistently over 80 on the low end. 29/30 2hb with a dd proc is really comparable to velious raid 1handers for a monk and not surpassed until you compare it to raid monk 2handers. 2 handers are really just the way to go after the dmg bonus changes.

[Troxx]

Mages are only bad or weak compared to all the other caster classes and honestly it's really only significant post 45 when NPC HP and Max hit is so much more than summoned pets.

For group content and considering filling a dps role, the only other of the caster classes that will put out more is an enchanter/necro with a properly equippped and hasted charm pet.

Cleric - lol no
Druid - lol no
Shaman - mage does a lot more dps even when focusing exclusively on dps with dog pet out
Wizard - lol no
Necro - mage will consistently win out but by a much smaller margin than with summoned pet. With a charm pet? Same as enchanter below.
Ench - winner winner chicken dinner if charming, hasting, and giving a torch.

All of these other classes have abilities that make them globally more powerful, but in the singular role of dps (which is all the mage is meant to be) - they are stout.

Really I just feel bad for wizards. Outside of raids with lures and bane nukes, they really only excel at quadding.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There is literally is nothing comparable between seb blues and raid targets.
One thing to keep in mind is pets are not reliant on gear. They plateau immediately once summoned at a level with little tweaks the player can make. “Monks on raids” could mean anything. From tstaff to raid loot to some casual scrub with an adamantite club because they didn’t get the memo those suck in 2023.

You generally do lower damage on raid targets, so you'll parse higher on blues. The last 60 Rogue I parsed was doing around 133 DPS in Seb with Epic in mainhand.

Enchanter and Necromancer are also great naked, so that isn't really an argument for Mages specifically. You'll get more mileage from the utility those classes have.

Mages don't solo as well as other classes, don't DPS well enough to be game changing in a group, and don't DPS at all in raids.

Don't get me wrong, Mage is a fun class, especially if you like leveling from 1-50. But people should know Mages lose power as they level, while other classes gain power. That is why most don't level past 55.

[Troxx]

You generally do lower damage on raid targets, so you'll parse higher on blues. The last 60 Rogue I parsed was doing around 133 DPS in Seb with Epic in mainhand.


You keep posting this over an over. I would love to see the logs of sustained dps of “around 133 dps” on a run of the mill epic rogue at any level. I frankly do not believe it. Isolated rare lucky fights? Sure … I’ve seen that.

But people should know Mages lose power as they level, while other classes gain power. That is why most don't level past 55.

So mages lose power when they unlock their final tier of pets, get their best pet buff, acquire haste mask, get their best debuffs, get their best DS and get their most efficient nukes?

No. They continue to get more powerful and do stay that way.

Mages suffer on in not benefiting from raid gear to the degree that most other classes do. Once you hit 60 with a full spell book - you’re practically done. While everyone else still has all that extra room to grow (and in terms of dps finally catch up to the mage) … the mage is done.

I mean I get it. Get your mage to 60 and you run out of things to do. Excluding raids, this is true for most classes … which is why everyone has a dozen alts and why, after being velious locked for so many years everyone is now just raiding to spent dkp on alts

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You keep posting this over an over. I would love to see the logs of sustained dps of “around 133 dps” on a run of the mill epic rogue at any level. I frankly do not believe it. Isolated rare lucky fights? Sure … I’ve seen that.



So mages lose power when they unlock their final tier of pets, get their best pet buff, acquire haste mask, get their best debuffs, get their best DS and get their most efficient nukes?

No. They continue to get more powerful and do stay that way.

Mages suffer on in not benefiting from raid gear to the degree that most other classes do. Once you hit 60 with a full spell book - you’re practically done. While everyone else still has all that extra room to grow (and in terms of dps finally catch up to the mage) … the mage is done.

I mean I get it. Get your mage to 60 and you run out of things to do. Excluding raids, this is true for most classes … which is why everyone has a dozen alts and why, after being velious locked for so many years everyone is now just raiding to spent dkp on alts

Sure i'll post the logs and the video.

They get weaker because the lack of CC catches up with them. This means their soloing power gets weaker as they level.

Other melee classes can scale their damage with gear. This means their DPS gets weaker as other classes level.

Mages can get Epic and Boots of Bladecalling to boost their DPS, but Epic is just too hard to get for most people.

[Troxx]

They get weaker because the lack of CC catches up with them. This means their soloing power gets weaker as they level.

Other melee classes can scale their damage with gear. This means their DPS gets weaker as other classes level.

Mages can get Epic and Boots of Bladecalling to boost their DPS, but Epic is just too hard to get for most people.

Solo ability indeed gets weaker for mages. It also gets weaker for most classes - charming classes and shamans being the exception.

Beyond that it’s just gear. Mages hit a hard stagnation wall once they hit 60. Other classes have growth potential but the mage is so far ahead of melees without raid gear that most classes are simply playing catch up. A top raid geared rogue or monk with ToV 2h will or should beat out a scrub mage in sustained dps. I can’t really say the same thing for knights, rangers, etc. Raid geared necros/ench can’t necessarily put out more dps than their group counterparts, they just do so with higher margins of safety.

Raid geared wizards remain one trick ponies for hard burns but will still fall woefully behind a semi-afk scrub mage in group gear.

Mages aren’t gods of solo. They don’t have lots of dimensions or hat tricks. They are relegated to raid support roles. But yeah no, they never get weaker. They scale up just like every class in the game until they hit that wall of raid gear.

Remember though, we are talking in terms of the group game. There’s a whole lot of EverQuest out there before you start raiding ToV. If I had started with and stuck with a mage as my first, I would have stopped spending dkp on it after velks boots and switched my dkp attention to a melee class that really benefits from the gear.

[Snaggles]

You generally do lower damage on raid targets, so you'll parse higher on blues. The last 60 Rogue I parsed was doing around 133 DPS in Seb with Epic in mainhand.

There is a parse to prove any single point. That said, consistently the MH rogues I group with in Seb are in that 75-90 range. At least parsing for hours on end and comparing them to whatever I’m playing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There is a parse to prove any single point. That said, consistently the MH rogues I group with in Seb are in that 75-90 range. At least parsing for hours on end and comparing them to whatever I’m playing.


"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 43",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 79",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 82",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 45",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 65",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 81",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 85",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:13 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 63",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:13 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 28",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:16 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:16 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 52",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 73",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 34",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:20 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:21 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:25 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 66",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 69",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:27 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 61",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:28 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 42",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:32 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:32 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 75",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:33 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 94",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:35 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 76",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:35 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:36 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:38 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:39 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:39 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:40 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:40 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 34",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:41 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:41 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 77",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:54 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:54 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 94",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:58 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 46",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:58 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 45",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 94",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 77",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 96",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 92",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:01 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 300",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:12 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 327",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:21 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 177",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:27 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:33 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 120",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:39 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 318",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:45 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 367",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:45 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:53 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 426",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:05 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 332",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:05 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 120",

5720 damage / 63 seconds = 90.7 DPS


"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:16 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 62",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 16",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 73",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 88",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 78",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 84",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 27",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:27 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:28 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 68",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:29 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 54",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:32 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:34 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 54",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:34 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 78",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:36 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:36 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:37 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 96",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:37 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:38 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:40 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:41 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:41 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 59",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:42 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 62",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:42 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 14",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 61",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:44 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 14",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:45 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:45 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 64",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:45 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 21",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 9",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 5",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 28",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 74",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 11",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 55",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 65",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:55 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 77",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:55 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 49",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 64",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 5",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:33:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:33:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:25 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:31 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 180",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 369",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:49 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 299",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:49 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:55 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 478",

4290 damage / 41 seconds = 104.6 DPS


"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 43",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 34",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 42",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 9",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 66",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 67",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 57",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 32",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 61",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 55",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 87",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:01 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok jin shaman for 154",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:07 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok jin shaman for 120",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:07 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok jin shaman for 383",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:13 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok jin shaman for 32000",

1530 / 11 seconds = 139 DPS
Assassinate not included

"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:36 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:37 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 12",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 34",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 50",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 21",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:52 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 18",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:53 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:53 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:53 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:54 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 71",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 83",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 3",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:58 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 68",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 6",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 27",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 79",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 71",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 71",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 2",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 10",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 43",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 83",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 35",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 47",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 12",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 75",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:10 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 65",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 24",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 45",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 60",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:15 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 43",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 4",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 39",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 7",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:21 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:21 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 9",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 44",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 24",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 10",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 45",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:25 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 30",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:27 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:28 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 88",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:28 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 55",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 48",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 54",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 68",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:45 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 478",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:45 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 495",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 519",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 377",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:57 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 120",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:03 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 521",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:09 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 120",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:09 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 251",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:16 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 478",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:21 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 159",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:21 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 362",

6893 damage / 55 seconds = 125.3 DPS

"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 75",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 68",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 28",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 57",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 50",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 59",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 13",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:52 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:53 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:55 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 50",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 24",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 76",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 42",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 65",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 47",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 80",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 18",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 49",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 94",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 18",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 14",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 21",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:10 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 16",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:10 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 21",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:10 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 32",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 9",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 30",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:13 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:15 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 6",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:15 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 64",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 49",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 77",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 53",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:20 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 18",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:20 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:20 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 52",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:21 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 5",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 46",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 30",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 15",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 42",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:25 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 28",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:25 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 53",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:44 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 245",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:02 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 458",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:02 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 478",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:07 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 404",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:25 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 194",

4239 damage / 39 seconds = 108.7 DPS


I'll need to parse the rest of the video later, don't have time now. Currently this is the data I have:

90.7 + 104.6 + 139 + 125.3 + 108.7 / 5 = 113.66 DPS average.

He was using Epic in main hand + Paebala Warbone in offhand. He was switching to a different weapon occasionally in his offhand, will need to see if I can figure out which one. It had the same graphic as Willsapper. I was hasting him with Celerity. I was not casting Avatar on him. Not sure what his worn haste was.

[Ripqozko]

this is the new dsm thread i see, Mages are for quading and cothing, i dont even drops rods anymore because they arent needed except maybe aow and vyemm. Quadding is really fun and has been fun since ~2018 when it started coming around. Grouping as a mage is not that great and i prefer almost all my chars vs mage. get your exp in fear during CT. Hope that helps. DSM monks arent that great dps hope that helps too.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

"this is the new dsm thread i see" Translation: Ripqozko wants to make a new thread where trolls like himself are attacking people they disagree with.

Fixed it for you. So far the usual suspects haven't been trolling, which is an improvement. You are trying to start trolling, but hopefully you won't go too crazy this time.

DSM monks arent that great dps hope that helps too.

They are better than you think:


[Sun Dec 16 14:51:40 2018] Playbook tells the guild, 'Tunare in 253s, 756k @2989dps --- A thifling sprite 132k @530dps --- Castigate + pets 62k @255dps --- Aplastic 23k @89dps --- Jumbasa 22k @91dps --- Coppernin 21k @86dps --- Qubhed 21k @82dps --- Borusk 20k @82dps --- Jonwayne 19k @78dps --- Uban 18k @83dps --- Playbook 17k @68dps



[Fri Jan 11 16:32:31 2019] Dannyll tells the guild, 'Derakor the Vindicator in 119s, 188k @1578dps --- Jumbasa 15k @128dps --- Detoxx 14k @121dps --- Paulgiamatti 12k @112dps --- Evulsion 11k @97dps --- Cracck 10k @90dps --- Shaolen 10k @90dps --- Narienna 10k @90dps --- Stabzer 10k @89dps --- Nuge 9k @82dps --- Tulenk 9k @83dps'



[Sun Mar 10 18:01:53 2019] Playbook tells the guild, 'Lord Yelinak in 589s, 536k @911dps --- Playbook 33k @57dps --- Baxter 32k @55dps --- Monnkey 32k @54dps --- Eshan 31k @54dps --- Flopped 31k @53dps --- Kinshoo 31k @52dps --- Swiftyfist 30k @52dps --- Evulsion 29k @49dps --- Aaalien 26k @44dps --- Tydes 25k @45dps'



[Wed Mar 13 09:16:27 2019] Playbook tells the guild, 'The Avatar of War in 605s, 1019k @1684dps --- Trooper Nvern 52k @87dps --- Trooper Mjflean 50k @84dps --- Trooper Khyren 50k @87dps --- Jumbasa 50k @83dps --- Gusano 41k @69dps --- Digler 39k @65dps --- Stabithaa 35k @58dps --- Eshan 34k @56dps --- Yippykin 33k @56dps --- Playbook 31k @53dps'


Monks are generally about 10-20 DPS lower than Rogues with equivalent gear, which is pretty good.

[Troxx]

"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 43",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 79",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 82",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 45",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 65",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 81",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 85",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:13 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 63",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:13 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 28",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:16 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:16 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 52",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 73",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 34",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:20 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:21 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:25 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 66",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 69",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:27 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 61",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:28 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 42",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:32 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:32 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 75",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:33 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 94",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:35 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 76",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:35 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:36 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:38 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:39 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:39 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:40 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:40 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 34",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:41 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:41 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 77",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:54 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:54 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 94",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:58 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 46",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:58 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 45",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 94",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 77",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 96",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok knight for 92",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:01 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 300",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:12 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 327",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:21 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 177",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:27 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:33 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 120",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:39 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 318",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:45 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 367",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:45 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:30:53 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 426",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:05 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 332",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:31:05 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok knight for 120",

5720 damage / 63 seconds = 90.7 DPS


"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:16 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 62",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 16",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 73",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 88",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 78",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 84",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 27",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:27 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:28 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 68",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:29 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 54",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:32 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:34 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 54",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:34 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 78",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:36 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:36 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:37 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 96",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:37 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:38 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:40 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:41 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:41 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 59",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:42 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 62",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:42 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 14",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 61",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:44 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 14",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:45 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:45 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 64",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:45 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 21",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 9",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 5",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 28",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 74",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 11",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 55",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 65",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:55 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 77",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:55 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 49",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 64",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 5",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:33:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:33:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:25 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:31 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 180",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 369",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:43 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:49 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 299",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:49 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 194",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:32:55 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 478",

4290 damage / 41 seconds = 104.6 DPS


"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 43",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 34",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 42",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 9",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 66",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 67",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 57",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 32",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 61",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 55",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 87",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok jin shaman for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:01 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok jin shaman for 154",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:07 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok jin shaman for 120",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:07 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok jin shaman for 383",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:13 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok jin shaman for 32000",

1530 / 11 seconds = 139 DPS
Assassinate not included

"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:36 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:37 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 12",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 34",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 50",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:49 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 21",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:52 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 18",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:53 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:53 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:53 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:54 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 71",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 83",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 3",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:58 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 68",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 6",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 27",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 36",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 79",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 71",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 71",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 2",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 10",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 43",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 83",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 35",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 47",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 12",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 75",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:10 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 65",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 24",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 45",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 25",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 60",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:15 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 43",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 4",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 39",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 7",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:21 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:21 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 9",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 44",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 24",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 10",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 45",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 22",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:25 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 30",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:26 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:27 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 38",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:28 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 88",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:28 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 55",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 70",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 48",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 54",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:30 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 17",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:31 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok dar knight for 68",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:45 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 478",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:45 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 495",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 519",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:51 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 377",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:34:57 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 120",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:03 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 521",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:09 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 120",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:09 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 251",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:16 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 478",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:21 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 159",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:21 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok dar knight for 362",

6893 damage / 55 seconds = 125.3 DPS

"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 75",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 68",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:46 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 28",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 57",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:47 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 50",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 59",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:48 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 26",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:50 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 13",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:52 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:53 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:55 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 56",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 50",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 24",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 76",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:57 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 33",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:59 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 42",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:00 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 65",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:01 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 41",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 47",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:02 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 80",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 18",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:03 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:04 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 49",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:05 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:06 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 94",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 19",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:07 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 18",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:08 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 14",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:09 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 21",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:10 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 16",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:10 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 21",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:10 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 32",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:11 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 9",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:12 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 30",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:13 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:14 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:15 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 6",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:15 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 64",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 31",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:17 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 49",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 77",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:18 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:19 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 53",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:20 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 18",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:20 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 37",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:20 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 52",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:21 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 5",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 46",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 30",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:22 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 8",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 15",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 20",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:23 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 42",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 40",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:24 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 29",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:25 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 28",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:25 2022] Wickedsteal pierces froglok bok wizard for 53",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:44 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 23",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:35:56 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 245",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:02 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 458",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:02 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 478",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:07 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 404",
"[Sun Aug 21 07:36:25 2022] Wickedsteal backstabs froglok bok wizard for 194",

4239 damage / 39 seconds = 108.7 DPS


I'll need to parse the rest of the video later, don't have time now. Currently this is the data I have:

90.7 + 104.6 + 139 + 125.3 + 108.7 / 5 = 113.66 DPS average.

He was using Epic in main hand + Paebala Warbone in offhand. He was switching to a different weapon occasionally in his offhand, will need to see if I can figure out which one. It had the same graphic as Willsapper. I was hasting him with Celerity. I was not casting Avatar on him. Not sure what his worn haste was.


That is 5 fights. Go download gamparse and report back the data from all of the fights. I swear it is easier and more user friendly than manually sorting your log file.

I am glad so far to see your flat “I saw an epic rog doing 133dps” actually not doing 133 predictable dps at all. What you have posted is actually more in line with actual expectations … which is that a level 60 decently geared rogue is doing good dps … as they should be expected to do.

As for the epic rogue’s haste … I think it’s safe to say his haste was epic if he was off handing a tradable weapon.

Ps: you said he was using a Paebala warbone offhand? Why do your logs only show him piercing? Where are the blunt hits? What was he actually using offhand?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

That is 5 fights. Go download gamparse and report back the data from all of the fights. I swear it is easier and more user friendly than manually sorting your log file.

I am glad so far to see your flat “I saw an epic rog doing 133dps” actually not doing 133 predictable dps at all. What you have posted is actually more in line with actual expectations … which is that a level 60 decently geared rogue is doing good dps … as they should be expected to do.

As for the epic rogue’s haste … I think it’s safe to say his haste was epic if he was off handing a tradable weapon.

Ps: you said he was using a Paebala warbone offhand? Why do your logs only show him piercing? Where are the blunt hits? What was he actually using offhand?

Gamparse "get's weird" by your own admission. There's no reason to use it since it isn't giving you accurate results. It isn't difficult to write a bit of code to parse your own logs, and you can properly sort things that may lower your DPS, like having Torpor on the Rogue.

I know it's only 5 fights. Did you see the part where I said I would parse the rest of the video later?

Good catch on me missing the blunting parts of the parses. I only searched for piercing results. That just means his DPS will be higher hehe. Lemme recalculate with those values when I get the time.

This is why posting logs is better, because you can check other peoples work.

[Ripqozko]

Fixed it for you. So far the usual suspects haven't been trolling, which is an improvement. You are trying to start trolling, but hopefully you won't go too crazy this time.



They are better than you think:









Monks are generally about 10-20 DPS lower than Rogues with equivalent gear, which is pretty good.

Cool i can show parses of me beating them on ranger, if we just wanna spam parses. Ive raided lot longer than you have i get what they are.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Cool i can show parses of me beating them on ranger, if we just wanna spam parses. Ive raided lot longer than you have i get what they are.

Then you would know they have pretty good DPS. Not sure why you are trying to say otherwise.

[Ripqozko]

Then you would know they have pretty good DPS. Not sure why you are trying to say otherwise.

they are ok , like i said.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Ps: you said he was using a Paebala warbone offhand? Why do your logs only show him piercing? Where are the blunt hits? What was he actually using offhand?

With the crushing damage the average DPS increases to 120 DPS so far. The first two DPS parses become 106.6 and 123 instead of 90 and 104. He switches to Crescent Blades of Luclin for a while judging by the graphic and proc text, and switches back to the Warbone later. Will do the rest of the video tonight. Crescent Blades of Luclin is also piercing, so some of the parses haven't changed.

[Toxigen]

mages lol

[Snaggles]

I don’t understand the class hate here on the forums. They all have strengths and weaknesses. We don’t have to litigate this crap for 20 years.

For a non-raider who wants to dps with their friends there is nothing wrong with the mage. The belief a 45 blob will hold up with a level 60 rogue with Vulak loot is ridiculous. It’s a better group dps class than a necro who isn’t charming not to mention most non-raid melees who often need 100k+ in gear just to be tolerable to play.

My stupid mage pet was only a couple dps behind a Facesmasher monk on Xenvorash and occasionally comes in top on the parse. With deadwoods on Miragul it smoked a 60 monk with a tstaff and a high 50’s rogue. It holds up fine in seb running around with buddies. The 60 water pet cost 500p.

Just because the 5% here quad DA mages in raids doesn’t invalidate the casual raiders or even non-raiders who play a mage (they could be on a Druid). For you with raid toons just be sure to not sleep on doing your job. Nothing more humiliating than getting beat on a parse, even in a group, by something without legs.

[Toxigen]

It’s a better group dps class than a necro who isn’t charming not to mention most non-raid melees who often need 100k+ in gear just to be tolerable to play.



Depends on group comps. CC is king in the normie leveling experience.

More than likely if its just Joe P99er playing with friends leveling, the necro will come in way more handy.

Mage really is for laziest of players...those that can't / refuse to come close to the skill caps of other classes. They could have a disability or they just like their Netflix.

[enjchanter]

I love mage cuz even when I'm afk , my pet isn't

[Snaggles]

Depends on group comps. CC is king in the normie leveling experience.

More than likely if its just Joe P99er playing with friends leveling, the necro will come in way more handy.

Mage really is for laziest of players...those that can't / refuse to come close to the skill caps of other classes. They could have a disability or they just like their Netflix.

Eight classes can root. Three can mez. If slowed anyone can tank anything. The game isn’t hard. Further, EoT can’t hold a candle to a mage pet for dps, no clicky DS for the tank. Coth vs corpse summons and a regent rez. If Joe p99 is lazy or a try-hard the mage is objectively an option. It’s less of a hybrid than the necro.

We can all put our heads in the sand and pretend mage pet dps on blues is a joke but the parser doesn’t lie. Sorry mashing one button can replace a dkp nerd on casual content.

[unsunghero]

I don’t understand the class hate here on the forums

The OP asked a similar question on Reddit, or else it was just a coincidence that a thread with a very similar question came up around the same time

The responses there are a bit more pro-mage, from what I read

[Crede]

Depends on group comps. CC is king in the normie leveling experience.

More than likely if its just Joe P99er playing with friends leveling, the necro will come in way more handy.

Mage really is for laziest of players...those that can't / refuse to come close to the skill caps of other classes. They could have a disability or they just like their Netflix.

I don’t think it’s that mages are lazy, it’s that they can do a large amount of lazy dps which I think is a good thing.

Rogues are way lazier. Much more likely to burnout and just stop caring about positioning/backstab. Takes a lot less apm to do just pet attack and click staff/boots on a mage vs constantly repositioning on a rogue.

[long.liam]

I don’t understand the class hate here on the forums. They all have strengths and weaknesses. We don’t have to litigate this crap for 20 years.

For a non-raider who wants to dps with their friends there is nothing wrong with the mage. The belief a 45 blob will hold up with a level 60 rogue with Vulak loot is ridiculous. It’s a better group dps class than a necro who isn’t charming not to mention most non-raid melees who often need 100k+ in gear just to be tolerable to play.

My stupid mage pet was only a couple dps behind a Facesmasher monk on Xenvorash and occasionally comes in top on the parse. With deadwoods on Miragul it smoked a 60 monk with a tstaff and a high 50’s rogue. It holds up fine in seb running around with buddies. The 60 water pet cost 500p.

Just because the 5% here quad DA mages in raids doesn’t invalidate the casual raiders or even non-raiders who play a mage (they could be on a Druid). For you with raid toons just be sure to not sleep on doing your job. Nothing more humiliating than getting beat on a parse, even in a group, by something without legs.

It has less to do with Class hate and more to do with experienced players have a better understanding of class Hierarchy. Some classes are simply better designed. Mages are ok, but they are not an amazing class. The one thing they can do, DPS, other classes can do better or just as good, but they also bring a lot more to the table. Loraen actual wrote a guide for this a long time ago when he still played. He does a pretty good job of grouping the classes based off of their capabilities.

- https://wiki.project1999.com/Loraen%27s_Class_Selection_Guide

[long.liam]

I don’t think it’s that mages are lazy, it’s that they can do a large amount of lazy dps which I think is a good thing.

Rogues are way lazier. Much more likely to burnout and just stop caring about positioning/backstab. Takes a lot less apm to do just pet attack and click staff/boots on a mage vs constantly repositioning on a rogue.

I don't think I have ever had that my problem on my Rogue. Getting to the back or side of an NPC so you can backstab isn't that hard. I'd even argue that playing a rogue is easier than playing a mage. Mage you have to constantly watch your pet or he could accidentally aggro a whole room full of mobs.

[Crede]

It has less to do with Class hate and more to do with experienced players have a better understanding of class Hierarchy. Some classes are simply better designed. Mages are ok, but they are not an amazing class. The one thing they can do, DPS, other classes can do better or just as good, but they also bring a lot more to the table. Loraen actual wrote a guide for this a long time ago when he still played. He does a pretty good job of grouping the classes based off of their capabilities.

- https://wiki.project1999.com/Loraen%27s_Class_Selection_Guide

If you sort his guide by average magicians are a top 5 class, lol. I’ve referenced his guide a few times as people underestimate group dynamics with different numbers of people. It’s more than just “solo” vs “group”. They do well in basically every group composition.

Mages kick ass.

[long.liam]

If you sort his guide by average magicians are a top 5 class, lol. I’ve referenced his guide a few times as people underestimate group dynamics with different numbers of people. It’s more than just “solo” vs “group”. They do well in basically every group composition.

Mages kick ass.

Monks are way better in small group comp. Rogues do more dps and can Rogue-Hide to drag corpses and scout for the group. Mages are decent dps in groups, but don't bring much else. Don't get me wrong, they are a solid class, but any class in their tier would be better because of the utility they bring. Mages have absolutely no utility abilities. Outside of decent DPS, they are completely useless. I want to point out, that at the time that Loraen wrote this guide, mages could still solo pretty well. Now because of the bugged/nerfed? aggro mechanics, chain summoning doesn't work, so the only place a mage could really function is as a ok dps class in a full group.

[Toxigen]

Sure mages are a fine 5th or 6th.

Fit one in a trio and tell me its one of the best options.

[Crede]

Monks are way better in small group comp. Rogues do more dps and can Rogue-Hide to drag corpses and scout for the group. Mages are decent dps in groups, but don't bring much else. Don't get me wrong, they are a solid class, but any class in their tier would be better because of the utility they bring. Mages have absolutely no utility abilities. Outside of decent DPS, they are completely useless. I want to point out, that at the time that Loraen wrote this guide, mages could still solo pretty well. Now because of the bugged/nerfed? aggro mechanics, chain summoning doesn't work, so the only place a mage could really function is as a ok dps class in a full group.

Notice you’re bringing in multiple classes to try to out do a mage. Mages check off a lot of boxes, hence why loraen put them in the top 5. Overall solid class, OP wasn’t asking about monks/rogues either.

[Crede]

Sure mages are a fine 5th or 6th.

Fit one in a trio and tell me its one of the best options.

It’s not about best. If you want that let’s start a 500 page thread about best trio lol. Or make 1 of every class to check every box. Mages overall are pretty good.

[Snaggles]

Monks are way better in small group comp. Rogues do more dps and can Rogue-Hide to drag corpses and scout for the group. Mages are decent dps in groups, but don't bring much else. Don't get me wrong, they are a solid class, but any class in their tier would be better because of the utility they bring. Mages have absolutely no utility abilities. Outside of decent DPS, they are completely useless. I want to point out, that at the time that Loraen wrote this guide, mages could still solo pretty well. Now because of the bugged/nerfed? aggro mechanics, chain summoning doesn't work, so the only place a mage could really function is as a ok dps class in a full group.

Have you ever played one?

Chain summoning isn’t broken, it just isn’t instant. One taunt and and it’s back on the pet. Or one root if using an earth. Issue is chain summoning is pretty stupid unless you want to stunt kill something.

A mage is just highly specific. You don’t have lure nukes. You do have mala. You don’t have dots or roots, you do have DS and Coth. As Crede says being able to focus on a few things means you can easily succeed at those. I don’t often prefer my mage over my melees but often bring it as a +1 DPS to help guildies because I don’t want to de-park. Most the time it’s high on the parse if not the highest.

Mage, cleric, enchanter. That’s your trio magic. A well played ench doesn’t need a shaman. The mage pet will keep tough stuff from summoning on the ench charm break. Mala for what you are killing, malosini for charmed pet, DS, etc.

[Troxx]

Best trio doesn’t involve any melee.

Ench + ench + cleric
Ench + ench + ench
Ench + cleric + necro

Notice a trend? Any best trio has ench and cleric plus one other.

Pretty much in that order, only marginally shuffled depending on content you want to hunt. If it needs or really would benefit a FD - sub in the necro/monk/sk. A mage would slide into the group fantastically but it’s not going to be ”best”.

It will, however, be better than most other choices.

[Tann]

If you want that let’s start a 500 page thread about best trio lol.

Can the title of the thread be "Best race for SHM/PAL/SK, regen vs FSI, and best trio.. correct answers only"

[Toxigen]

It’s not about best. If you want that let’s start a 500 page thread about best trio lol. Or make 1 of every class to check every box. Mages overall are pretty good.

It doesn't have to be about best. Mage is always a bottom tier option pretty much across the board unless you're already 4 or 5 people with all the boxes checked.

[Crede]

It doesn't have to be about best. Mage is always a bottom tier option pretty much across the board unless you're already 4 or 5 people with all the boxes checked.

I don’t see it this way. They can keep pace with any other dps class(exceeding them from time to time) but you get the added bonus of burst dps and malo/coth/mod rods as needed. I think it’s a good class for OP starting fresh if not doing enc/necro but still wanting a range of options.

[Crede]

Can the title of the thread be "Best race for SHM/PAL/SK, regen vs FSI, and best trio.. correct answers only"

Lol. That would def go 1k pages.

[eisley]

How to have fun on a mage:

Did you know you can level from 20 to 60 in Highkeep exclusively? Anyways...

Be 50. Have epic. Make a series of macros of all the named mobs (dyrna, boshinko, carson, lady mccabe, a noble, a guard, Lozani, ya know, the whole crew.) and sit in the basement by Dyrna. Now mash those macros. Your pet will warp around the zone, considering the Z-axis more of a suggestion, and delete the entire zone. If things get hairy, either run out or just bind outside.

At 56, all that's left is the 3 Bodyguard room (it cracks me up how many people don't even know these mobs exist) - you need to split them, then you can Guard your pet in the room and definitely don't go to sleep. Congrats on 60. Now sac back down to 50 and do it again. (Yes, I've done this twice now.)

[eisley]

Cool i can show parses of me beating them on ranger, if we just wanna spam parses. Ive raided lot longer than you have i get what they are.

Rangers and Mages are the two most fun classes to level while raid twinked. I guess Necro too.

But yeah, Rangers are criminally underrated, and super fun to level. This assumes aggressive twinking, which is sort of implied when "Project 1999" and "fun" are in the same paragraph.

[putrid_plum]

Mages suck so much, yet when green started half the server population were mages. Hmm...

[unsunghero]

Now sac back down to 50 and do it again. (Yes, I've done this twice now.)

What would be the benefit of purposefully lowering your level on a caster? I know for a melee it could be fun because you can still wear all your high end gear

But a de-leveled caster can’t cast their spells, right? What’s the benefit?

[Crede]

What would be the benefit of purposefully lowering your level on a caster? I know for a melee it could be fun because you can still wear all your high end gear

But a de-leveled caster can’t cast their spells, right? What’s the benefit?

Because a lvl 50 mage can cast their epic and shred everything. Most mages don’t even get epic until 60. And if you’re rocking like ft8 with zheart and velks boots, that would be a blast.

[spoil]

You haven't truly experienced hitting /pet attack while watching netflix until you've done it with good gear.

[enjchanter]

You'd hold a zheart on your mage over just holding your epic ? Lol

[Balimon]

You'd hold a zheart on your mage over just holding your epic ? Lol

I'd argue that Z-heart is BIS for a mage, it's really the only item I could imagine using over the epic stat stick. Regen is king especially if you have a Manna robe

[silo32]

I'd argue that Z-heart is BIS for a mage, it's really the only item I could imagine using over the epic stat stick. Regen is king especially if you have a Manna robe

Sadly the above is true

[sajbert]

How to have fun on a mage:

Did you know you can level from 20 to 60 in Highkeep exclusively? Anyways...

Be 50. Have epic. Make a series of macros of all the named mobs (dyrna, boshinko, carson, lady mccabe, a noble, a guard, Lozani, ya know, the whole crew.) and sit in the basement by Dyrna. Now mash those macros. Your pet will warp around the zone, considering the Z-axis more of a suggestion, and delete the entire zone. If things get hairy, either run out or just bind outside.

At 56, all that's left is the 3 Bodyguard room (it cracks me up how many people don't even know these mobs exist) - you need to split them, then you can Guard your pet in the room and definitely don't go to sleep. Congrats on 60. Now sac back down to 50 and do it again. (Yes, I've done this twice now.)
Ah yes, just get Epic. Simple as that.

[enjchanter]

Ah yes, just get Epic. Simple as that.

If you're not planning on getting the epic then you're just a coth bot the guild didn't give you dkp to level

[Snaggles]

Imagine needing an epic to level a mage and then not leaving Highkeep with it...

[eisley]

Imagine needing an epic to level a mage and then not leaving Highkeep with it...

I first got 50 on my mage when bush was in office and looted his earth staff from innoruuk.

[Snaggles]

I first got 50 on my mage when bush was in office and looted his earth staff from innoruuk.

You can probably squint and see why I assumed this wasnt based on a 14 year old memory, right?