Question for Shaman Gear [Archive]

Fireblade7

08-28-2023, 10:34 PM

Oops. Yes. I am an ogre and can use JBB. I did actually have one from 45-49. I sold it when I quit for awhile.

Really thinking hard about selling the fungi for the epic and yeah, I'll just go kill guards with less hp to make it back. Forgot I have another 10k in tink bags if I need it so it’ll get me back faster to the fungi.

Really don’t want to sell my fungi stick though, it’s been so helpful. But with epic it might not be 100% needed? and if i sold that, tink bags, and seahorse, and 13K id only be 12K away form the epic and then id keep my fungi and just work on getting back the other toys.

Thanks for your thoughts! :)

Snaggles

08-28-2023, 11:09 PM

Your best bet is a jbb. A fungi is really nice but especially in those low levels with low hp npcs they will melt to winters roar.

Personally, id sell the spiked belt, buy a JBB and keep the rest of your kit. Head to HK and kill blues and greens galore. root, slow, click click click. Keep a longer duration root up for CC. Buy some ant pots and have fun.

zelld52

08-29-2023, 08:01 AM

Crede

08-29-2023, 08:33 AM

Epic REALLY hits its stride around 54. Slow tanking with JBB spam and pet behind worked best for me until 54 or so, when I switched to root rotting 4 mobs with epic.

Trust, you won't go back. No need for seahorse belt then. And really no need for Fungi OR Fungi Staff -- because shaman get bind wound.

Blows my mind how many shaman don't train bind wound. You can bind to 70% by level 56. Canni down, bind wound up -- they work together so well.

Going to have to disagree here.

Giving up 30 free passive regen/tick vs binding wound? Terrible trade off imo. Also you can still bind wound and have 30/tick. This is a non trivial amount of regen, especially pre torpor.

Fungi is a broken item. Should be way harder to get. And it’s tradeable. Get one and just keep it forever cycling Alts with it.

Toxigen

08-29-2023, 09:10 AM

Don't get rid of your Fungi.

Sell Seahorse belt and buy JBB. Keep farming until you can sell JBB and buy epic MQ.

Then just start saving for Torpor.

Crede

08-29-2023, 09:15 AM

Don't get rid of your Fungi.

Sell Seahorse belt and buy JBB. Keep farming until you can sell JBB and buy epic MQ.

Then just start saving for Torpor.

Good advice. Epic is nice but I think people forget how long it actually takes to kill something with it 54+. Setting up Gina triggers can help manage some of it but it does get old after awhile. I saw shamans in bear pits just doing the fungi/jbb/pet route for lazier kills.

zelld52

08-29-2023, 10:55 AM

Good advice. Epic is nice but I think people forget how long it actually takes to kill something with it 54+. Setting up Gina triggers can help manage some of it but it does get old after awhile. I saw shamans in bear pits just doing the fungi/jbb/pet route for lazier kills.

This is not as efficient, and these shaman were misguided.

I used to do the slow tank / JBB root. But then you need to heal yourself afterwards, because despite being slowed the bears and wolves in perma hit for up to 130+.

Plus you can only kill one at at time. At 56, with paralyzing earth, you just epic click 4 at a time. Much lazier, much more efficient than soloing one at a time.

Shaman was my first toon, I did 55-60 exclusively in bear pits, exclusively root rotting 4 at a time from 56-60. Took me 1 month playing 2 hours a day, 5 days a week to do 56-60 this route. I didn't have a Fungi or Fungi Staff. I had a Phase Spider carapace and bandages.

zelld52

08-29-2023, 10:55 AM

Going to have to disagree here.

Giving up 30 free passive regen/tick vs binding wound? Terrible trade off imo. Also you can still bind wound and have 30/tick. This is a non trivial amount of regen, especially pre torpor.

Fungi is a broken item. Should be way harder to get. And it’s tradeable. Get one and just keep it forever cycling Alts with it.

Torpor gets rid of need for Fungi on Shaman at 60.

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 11:11 AM

Right now, I'm 78% into 51. I have a fungi staff, fungi tunic, seahorse belt and 13K.

I solo a lot and was curious if y'all think i would i level faster if I sold the fungi tunic and seahorse belt and got an epic and a ceremonial iksar chest?

I'm currently leveling mostly off ice giants or when they're camped, the barbarians atm. Its profitable but i feel i could level faster with the epic.

Thoughts?

Save that 13k and buy JBB. You could even sell the seahorse belt if you want the JBB sooner. Now that you are 51 you aren't going to be meleeing as often.

I wouldn't advise selling everything for Epic. I don't think Epic alone is a faster solo than Fungi Tunic + JBB + Fungi Staff. Even if it is, it isn't fast enough to merit spending all your money on it. I leveled from 50-60 with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB + Black Fur Boots and no Epic. I did 58-60 in PoM Rat Maze. I was getting 1 blue bubble an hour in PoM Rat Maze, which is fast. It's faster than Neriak Arena, which is one place where you would be root/rotting with Epic.

You want to sell the Fungi Tunic and whatever else for Torpor when you hit 60. That is a much better use of the money. If you sold everything for Epic you would need to farm another chunk of cash for Torpor. That would probably take longer than whatever time you saved soloing via Epic alone, assuming it is faster. Torpor is going to allow you to farm the fastest, and you can rebuy whatever you sold later. You are going to be gaining money slower as a level 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor vs. a level 60 Shaman with Torpor and no Epic.

zelld52

08-29-2023, 11:26 AM

Save that 13k and buy JBB. You could even sell the seahorse belt if you want the JBB sooner. Now that you are 51 you aren't going to be meleeing as often.

I wouldn't advise selling everything for Epic. I don't think Epic alone is a faster solo than Fungi Tunic + JBB + Fungi Staff. Even if it is, it isn't fast enough to merit spending all your money on it. I leveled from 50-60 with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB + Black Fur Boots and no Epic. I did 58-60 in PoM Rat Maze. I was getting 1 blue bubble an hour in PoM Rat Maze, which is fast. It's faster than Neriak Arena, which is one place where you would be root/rotting with Epic.

You want to sell the Fungi Tunic and whatever else for Torpor when you hit 60. That is a much better use of the money. If you sold everything for Epic you would need to farm another chunk of cash for Torpor. That would probably take longer than whatever time you saved soloing via Epic alone, assuming it is faster. Torpor is going to allow you to farm the fastest, and you can rebuy whatever you sold later. You are going to be gaining money slower as a level 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor vs. a level 60 Shaman with Torpor and no Epic.

One blue an hour? Or one yellow an hour? One blue an hour is dreadfully slow...

In Permafrost, Root rotting 4 at a time with epic at level 59, I was getting 50% yellow an hour...

Also, Epic root rot is way more efficient than JBB slow tanking, even with the +30 hp / tick regen.

You can only do one mob at at time slow tanking. You can root rot up to 6 at a time with epic.

I didn';t have to buy epic MQ, i was able to get it on raid, but Epic is definitely better value than JBB + Fungi Staff. Tunic is usable by many classes, and its always good to have at least one floating around on your toons. But the same cannot be said for JBB and Fungi Staff. I've tried both methods on a 60 shaman, and with Torpor - Fungi Staff and Tunic are both nigh-on obsolete.

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 11:33 AM

One blue an hour? Or one yellow an hour? One blue an hour is dreadfully slow...

In Permafrost, Root rotting 4 at a time with epic at level 59, I was getting 50% yellow an hour...

Also, Epic root rot is way more efficient than JBB slow tanking, even with the +30 hp / tick regen.

You can only do one mob at at time slow tanking. You can root rot up to 6 at a time with epic.

I didn';t have to buy epic MQ, i was able to get it on raid, but Epic is definitely better value than JBB + Fungi Staff. Tunic is usable by many classes, and its always good to have at least one floating around on your toons. But the same cannot be said for JBB and Fungi Staff. I've tried both methods on a 60 shaman, and with Torpor - Fungi Staff and Tunic are both nigh-on obsolete.

One blue an hour is about as fast as I have seen for level 58-59 soloing on multiple classes in various camps. I am skeptical of you getting 2.5 blue bubbles an hour. Maybe that is the charm of bear pits (I have never done them), but that is a single camp that is contested by a lot of druids. You have to take into account how often you won't be able to get the amount of bears needed for that kind of XP.

As I said above, it doesn't really matter which setup is faster. I haven't tried soloing with Epic by itself, so I won't try to make an argument as to which one is faster.

At the end of the day farming 60k or more to buy Torpor is going to take longer on a 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor. With Torpor you can get a Fungi King group and get enough cash to buy Epic fairly quickly. Without Torpor people are less likely to let you into the nice cash camps that 60s do.

That is why you shouldn't sell everything for Epic. Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB + Black Fur Boots will allow you to level quickly, while also keeping your tradeable items available to sell for Torpor. You can basically get Torpor right when you hit 60.

I agree with you Fungi Tunic + Staff are less useful at 60 with Torpor, which is why you sell them for Torpor.

zelld52

08-29-2023, 11:48 AM

One blue an hour is about as fast as I have seen for level 58-59 soloing on multiple classes in various camps. I am skeptical of you getting 2.5 blue bubbles an hour.

Do you think the Necros and Enchanters in Howling stones are getting 4%(one Blue bubble) exp per hour ? If soloers only got one blue bubble per hour, nobody would solo.

1 Blue an hour is horrible. Awful. You can get 1 blue an hour in a 6-person group in Velks. If you stayed at 1 blue an hour solo, it would take 25 hours per level. Solo play in a multiplayer game.

The benchmark for solo 55+ is 10% per hour. If you can get 1/2 a yellow per hour, you're doing good. Otherwise, you're better off grouping, because then at least you can talk to other people, take AFKs and still get exp, and not have to do all the work to kill a mob.

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 11:55 AM

On my monk soloing Lava Duct crawlers at 59, I was getting one blue per hour.

You were also getting 1 blue an hour on your Monk at 59. That is what I am talking about. A lot of camps give you roughly that amount solo at 59, and you cannot always assume you will be able to get the absolute best XP camp. They are contested. I never said anything about charm classes, so I am not sure why you are bringing up Necros/Enchanters. We are talking about Shamans.

You are ignoring my primary point, which is selling everything for Epic is a bad move anyway, even if you could go from 1 blue an hour to 2 blues an hour. You save 12 hours leveling, but you will spend more than 12 hours farming for Torpor when you are out of money, and are a 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor. That is a really bad tradeoff. Level a bit slower with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB, then sell it all for Torpor and farm that money back faster for Epic or whatever else you want.

zelld52

08-29-2023, 11:59 AM

One blue an hour is about as fast as I have seen for level 58-59 soloing on multiple classes in various camps. I am skeptical of you getting 2.5 blue bubbles an hour.

You said multiple classes. Should I have assumed you didn't mean charm classes.

Also, monk is worse soloer than shaman. So if a monk is getting the same exp as a shaman....

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 12:00 PM

Translation: I'm bad, so I assume other players are bad, too.

Insulting people isn't an argument. You were also getting 1 blue an hour on your Monk, so you are also bad using your own logic.

You are still ignoring my primary point, which is selling everything for Epic is a bad move anyway, even if you could go from 1 blue an hour to 2 blues an hour. You save 12 hours leveling, but you will spend more than 12 hours farming for Torpor when you are out of money, and are a 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor. That is a really bad tradeoff. Level a bit slower with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB, then sell it all for Torpor and farm that money back faster for Epic or whatever else you want.

Sizar

08-29-2023, 12:05 PM

Epic is great and really hits it's stride once you are 56 and get Paralyzing Earth. Until then JBB will be fine

zelld52

08-29-2023, 12:08 PM

Insulting people isn't an argument. You were also getting 1 blue an hour on your Monk, so you are also bad using your own logic.

I stand by my original quote, sorry for editing it. Based on your account of how slowly you levelled through 58 and 59, and your "skepticism" of others who are more efficient than you, I think you are bad.

If a monk, who are not known as great soloers is getting the same exp as a shaman, who are known as top-tier soloers... That proves the monk is bad? Logic? Not even once, on your end.

Fungi, Fungi Staff, and JBB are not going to help levelling 55-60 as much as epic will. I've done both. Is MY original point.

Much faster epic root rotting with Paralyzing Earth than slow tanking. 10% per hour. Compared to your 4% per hour slow-tanking with JBB and Fungi / Fungi Staff.

I sold my Fungi at level 55 to buy Torpor and keep it in my bag. Motivation to hit 60. Haven't had a Fungi on my shaman since. Been able to farm enough plat to last me forever on p99 since then.

I was able to level 56-60, 10% per hour, two hours a day, Monday-Friday (usually between 2pm and 4pm) - and it took me a month. 59-60 took me a week, root rotting. Prior to 56, I wasn't root rotting and I was JBB / Slow tanking while Fungi Staff / Fungi Tunic regenned me. Had to play twice as much to go 52-55.

[Fri Oct 08 14:35:34 2021] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 56!
[Fri Oct 15 15:46:58 2021] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 57!
[Fri Oct 22 22:48:02 2021] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 58!
[Wed Oct 27 15:10:36 2021] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 59!
[Fri Nov 05 16:42:50 2021] You have gained a level! Welcome to level 60!

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 12:12 PM

I stand by my original quote, sorry for editing it. Based on your account of how slowly you levelled through 58 and 59, and your "skepticism" of others who are more efficient than you, I think you are bad.

If a monk, who are not known as great soloers is getting the same exp as a shaman, who are known as top-tier soloers... That proves the monk is bad? Logic? Not even once, on your end.

Fungi Fungi Staff and JBB are not going to help levelling as much as epic. I've done both. Is MY original point.

Much faster epic root rotting with Paralyzing Earth than slow tanking. 10% per hour. Compared to your 4% per hour slow-tanking with JBB and Fungi / Fungi Staff.

I sold my Fungi at level 55 to buy Torpor and keep it in my bag. Motivation to hit 60. Haven't had a Fungi on my shaman since. Been able to farm enough plat to last me forever on p99 since then.

You are still ignoring my primary point, which is selling everything for Epic is a bad move anyway, even if you could go from 1 blue an hour to 2 blues an hour. You save 12 hours leveling, but you will spend more than 12 hours farming for Torpor when you are out of money, and are a 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor. That is a really bad tradeoff. Level a bit slower with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB, then sell it all for Torpor and farm that money back faster for Epic or whatever else you want.

zelld52

08-29-2023, 12:23 PM

You are still ignoring my primary point, which is selling everything for Epic is a bad move anyway, even if you could go from 1 blue an hour to 2 blues an hour. You save 12 hours leveling, but you will spend more than 12 hours farming for Torpor when you are out of money, and are a 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor. That is a really bad tradeoff. Level a bit slower with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB, then sell it all for Torpor and farm that money back faster for Epic or whatever else you want.

Waiting til 60 to get epic on Shaman is not advisable.

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 12:26 PM

Waiting til 60 to get epic on Shaman is not advisable.

I am not sure why you think that, I leveled to 60 with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB just fine, and I got Torpor immediately at 60 from selling them. If a Monk can level at 1 blue an hour, that is an acceptable amount of time for people soloing. Monks wouldn't solo to 60 otherwise. It isn't like you are soloing slower than other classes.

zelld52

08-29-2023, 12:29 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 12:37 PM

You don't need Fungi / Fungi Staff / etc to get 1 blue an hour a shaman. You could do that naked.

You don't need Fungi / Fungi Staff / JBB to get 10% an hour as a shaman. You just need epic.

I'm leaving this thread now, good luck OP. DSM you are bad.

You know you have lost the argument when you devolve to insulting people as your primary method of debate.

There is no way a naked Shaman is leveling at the same speed as a Shaman with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB. If I am just "bad", and a naked Shaman can get 1 blue an hour at 59, that means you can get closer to 2 blues an hour with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB. This simply weakens your argument further, so I am not sure why you made this claim. Why sell everything for Epic if you can get roughly the same amount of XP per hour as a "good" player with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB?

You don't need Epic to level quickly. Epic is generally more expensive than Torpor and it is no drop, so it is not advisable to put all your money into Epic. It is better to sell your Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB for Torpor when you hit 60, then you can quickly get your money back at camps like Fungi King. You can buy Epic and whatever else you want. A level 60 Shaman with Torpor is going to get a lot more cash camp groups than a level 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor. A level 60 Shaman with Torpor is also able to solo better cash camps than a level 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor.

Toxigen

08-29-2023, 01:00 PM

why would you wait til 60 to get epic on shaman?

takes all the fun out of it

pretty sure root rotting 4-6 mobs is far more efficient than face tanking w/ jbb

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 01:03 PM

why would you wait til 60 to get epic on shaman?

takes all the fun out of it

pretty sure root rotting 4-6 mobs is far more efficient than face tanking w/ jbb

Because you don't need Epic to level quickly. The point of leveling is to get to 60 so you can get Torpor.

If you only have 90k worth of items and plat in total, you have two options:

1. Sell everything, buy Epic, and become broke. You will level faster while trying to farm 60K+ with only Epic and no other key Shaman items/spells.

2. Level quickly with JBB + Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff, sell them to buy Torpor + Malo, and get money for Epic a lot faster using cash camps like Fungi King.

The second option is generally more time efficient, because it is a lot slower to acquire money only using Epic clicks. You end up spending the same amount of time or more farming money as you saved leveling. People aren't going to let you into Fungi King simply because you have Epic. They want Torpor + Malo.

loramin

08-29-2023, 01:46 PM

Let me preface this by saying that of course the details will vary based on what you fight, how you fight it, etc. ... but if you do the math, the epic seems clearly better than the Fungi.

Wall of Math inc!

Let's call an average fight two minutes, for simplicity (although it only has to last 1.5 minutes for this math to work). Curse of the Spirits (https://wiki.project1999.com/Curse_of_the_Spirits) deals roughly 1425 damage in 1.5 minutes. If you recast it after the first cast finishes, you get very minimal damage for the remaining half minute, so let's just ignore that damage, and also let's round down and call it 1.4k damage for the fight.

OP said he was 51, so that means he's using E-Bolt (https://wiki.project1999.com/Envenomed_Bolt), which produces 3.994 damage per mana and Plague (https://wiki.project1999.com/Plague), 4.23 DPM. Let's go with Plague as it's more efficient: if you could magically cast two Plagues at once and have the second deal the same damage as the epic, it would cost you 330 mana (1400/4.23) to get an epics' worth of damage.

Now of course you can't cast two Plagues at once, making the epic significantly more valuable, because it stacks with your other DoTs. But still, let's compare it to the Fungi. The Fungi gives 2.5hp per second, so in a two minute fight you get 300 HP. If you turned that HP into mana with Cannibalize II (https://wiki.project1999.com/Cannibalize_II), you'd get about 0.5 mana per HP,or 150 mana (it varies by level so it's hard to give an exact number). Same deal (in reverse) if the Fungi saves you from having to cast Superior Healing (https://wiki.project1999.com/Superior_Healing): it gives Shaman about 2hp per mana, so again the Fungi's 300 HP is worth 150 mana.

Even if you assume a two-minute down-time after every fight, that's 600 HP from the fungi, or 300 mana ... vs, the 330 mana's worth of damage from the epic. The epic may even do more damage in a longer fight, and it will do a lot more damage if you fight two or more mobs at once. But most importantly, because it stacks with other DoTs it lets you kill the mob significantly faster, meaning you take less damage (not even factored into my math).

Now to be fair, the epic costs about twice what a fungi costs, and that math shows it isn't twice as good. Also, if you're killing low level (for your level) mobs super-quickly, the Epic doesn't get to do its full damage, and the math changes.

But in general, if your options are 50k plat and a fungi, or no fungi and and an epic, the basic math shows how the epic is more valuable.

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 01:59 PM

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Wall of Math inc!
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In general if you take a look at the DPS differences, a Shaman with Epic can kill 6 mobs with 6000 HP in roughly 8 minutes using Epic, Paralyzing Earth, and Venom of the Snake. This costs 460 mana per mob (3x roots per mob assuming no breaks + 1x Venom of the Snake), but you are going to be sitting most of the time, and using cannibalize occasionally to make up for the meditation ticks lost while standing and casting. I say 8 minutes because you need to manage all of these 6 rooted mobs, so you are spending time rerooting and re-Epicing. If you are not slowing the mob, you are taking more damage per root break too.

A Shaman with JBB + Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff can kill roughly 3 mobs in 6 minutes with 6000 HP using 4 JBB clicks + 1 Envenomed Bolt + Pet + Togor's Insects. This is 500 mana per mob. With the Fungi Tunic + Staff you are basically at meditation rates while standing, so you are spending roughly the same mana per mob. You are getting 18 mana/tick with the +30 HP/Tick and the 1200 mana saved per hour via Fungi Staff, and under level 60 you are meditating around that amount. If you can do 1-2 extra clicks of JBB per minute, you will be a bit faster.

Epic Shamans can out-perform JBB + Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff Shamans in the specific situation of having a camp with 4+ mobs, where you are always getting 4+ mobs per root/rot cycle. This assumes you are always going to get a camp like that while leveling. However, Torpor Shamans will farm money much faster than non-Torpor Shamans. The tradeoff of faster leveling is not worth the slower farming speeds once you hit 60. You may save 10 hours per level for 4-5 levels, but you are going to be spending more than 40-50 hours trying to farm 60K+ by Epic clicking vendor trash mobs. You can make more than 60K in 40-50 hours by doing cash camps like Fungi King.

loramin

08-29-2023, 02:13 PM

You quoted me, yet ignored everything I wrote.

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 02:25 PM

You quoted me, yet ignored everything I wrote.

I did not. I simply wrote the math in a different manner. I read what you said. Both of us have come to the same conclusion that Epic is not a straight 2x improvement in terms of leveling speed.

But that is not the issue. The question is what is better:

1. Leveling faster at the cost of farming slower at 60.

2. Leveling slower at the benefit of farming faster at 60.

Torpor is going to give you more money in the time you saved by leveling faster via Epic. Spending 50 hours at Fungi King is probably going to net you more money (unless you are really unlucky) than farming 50 hours at vendor trash mobs root/rotting them with Epic.

Crede

08-29-2023, 02:57 PM

Gotta agree with DSM here. Epic is nice but torpor is way more important. Ideally you should have all the toys. But if you’re strapped for cash don’t bother with epic mq or join a guild and get it. Bear pits are totally viable with jbb and fungi and you might actually enjoy it more not constantly micromanaging 4-5 mobs at a time. Also less risky.

Troxx

08-29-2023, 03:39 PM

Lots of DSM posting going on. Is this the newest “thread”?

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 03:50 PM

Lots of DSM posting going on. Is this the newest “thread”?

That is up to how much you feel like trolling. It's not up to me. Hopefully you choose not to troll!

Duik

08-29-2023, 05:20 PM

I recall in a mage Vs shaman dps thread where DSM said in a group he could out dps a mage by "soloing" 4-6 mobs with epic dots etc.

Definate troll.

loramin

08-29-2023, 06:00 PM

I did not. I simply wrote the math in a different manner. I read what you said. Both of us have come to the same conclusion that Epic is not a straight 2x improvement in terms of leveling speed.

But that is not the issue. The question is what is better:

1. Leveling faster at the cost of farming slower at 60.

2. Leveling slower at the benefit of farming faster at 60.

Torpor is going to give you more money in the time you saved by leveling faster via Epic. Spending 50 hours at Fungi King is probably going to net you more money (unless you are really unlucky) than farming 50 hours at vendor trash mobs root/rotting them with Epic.

Well if your basic argument is "you can't resell the epic to buy Torpor", you're certainly correct about that. But it's also a simple fact that you can earn Torpor money much faster at 60 with an epic than you can earlier on.

If your options are "buy epic at 51 and get nine levels, plus all plat-farming time at 60, with your epic" or "save 50k by not getting the epic, and focus on getting plat as you level up so you can buy Torpor right away", I strongly suspect that the former is a much better idea ... but I have no objective numbers to back that up.

Fireblade7

08-29-2023, 06:01 PM

Hey, I appreciate everyone's input. I respect a bunch of yalls opinions so I did read everything and I've decided to sell the seahorse belt and buy the JBB. If i have enough at 56 to get epic ill, sell the JBB at that point. But otherwise I will have a nice stack of cash left over to save towards torpor which is a twin goal of mine along with epic. (if i get epic at 56+ ill jsut sell fungi stick and tunic for torpor)

I do have my black fur boots which Naethyn helped me get, so no issue there with the fungi staff.

Thank you everyone!

edit: y'all prolly think im crazy for this but the back and forth between DSM and Loramin (and everyone else that argues) is truly helpful.

loramin

08-29-2023, 06:04 PM

Good plan.

One last thing: keep in mind you don't have to buy Torpor either. If you can get it by farming golems in OT with a friend, or by going on some raids with a guild, you will be laughing as you watch the other Shaman try and save up 100k.

Fireblade7

08-29-2023, 06:07 PM

That's a great idea! Maybe I'll get lucky in both epic (if and when i join a guild) and torpor. But for now, just going to focus on the levels. :)

Duik

08-29-2023, 06:32 PM

Fireblade would be a good Paladin name.

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 07:04 PM

Troxx

08-29-2023, 07:14 PM

I recall in a mage Vs shaman dps thread where DSM said in a group he could out dps a mage by "soloing" 4-6 mobs with epic dots etc.

Definate troll.

Yeah it happened ... all 449 pages of it

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923

DeathsSilkyMist

08-29-2023, 07:19 PM

Yeah it happened ... all 449 pages of it

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406923

Please stop posting off topic nonsense. You keep showing people you are a troll by posting that thread. Remember you have hundreds of posts of nothing but gifs. I am not sure why you think it helps you, or hurts me. You can check the DPS numbers of a Shaman vs. a Mage without Epic Pet yourself if you don't believe that a Shaman root/rotting can out DPS a Mage without Epic Pet. It is not my fault you keep taking what I said wildly out of context because you had to resort to trolling to try and win the argument, which you didn't. There is no rule that says you cannot root/rot in a group. Personal preference is irrelevant to the fact that you can employ any tactic you wish if you think it will help, and the group agrees on it.

Do you have anything to say on the topic at hand? Or will you troll further?

sajbert

08-29-2023, 09:10 PM

I think JBB is the right way to go.

I paused leveling my shammie, at 54 (zzZZz level) and had him kitted with fungi, haste, epic and jbb. Root rotting is tedious without lvl 56 root, after that it's probably better, especially if you have fungi and can canni more.

I felt like with the gear I got better XP facetanking (sometimes alternating between me and pet during fights) and jbb-spamming after epic-dotting and slowing the mob. The plan would've worked fine without the epic too.

At some point I'll get back to the shammy. Never bothered with fungi staff because I never felt the mana for the buff was an issue and that the hassle memming the spell was equivalent pain to the movement debuff of the staff. If I didn't have fungi I'd probably want a fungi staff tough to save that mana buffing.

unleashedd

08-30-2023, 10:17 AM

Torpor is not 100k. If u wanna spend that much, I'll sell you mine. I'm not 60 yet, half a lvl to go...

DeathsSilkyMist

08-30-2023, 12:06 PM

Torpor is not 100k. If u wanna spend that much, I'll sell you mine. I'm not 60 yet, half a lvl to go...

Yeah Torpor is like 45-60k now I think. Epic is still like 75k or more last I checked on blue.

Congrats on being so close to 60! Torpor is a game changer.

loramin

08-30-2023, 01:02 PM

Yeah Torpor is like 45-60k now I think. Epic is still like 75k or more last I checked on blue.

Congrats on being so close to 60! Torpor is a game changer.

Wow, things have really changed: I paid something like 100k for my Torpor back in the day, but I got my epic for ... well I got the tear for just 10k (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187614&page=2), and then got random server people to help me with the fight ... but even the tear with a raid force was only selling for like 50k back then.

I'm kind of surprised the tear is so expensive, especially on Blue. There must be an army of alt Shaman being created, or else some guild is monopolizing the Fear golems and raising prices.

DeathsSilkyMist

08-30-2023, 01:14 PM

Wow, things have really changed: I paid something like 100k for my Torpor back in the day, but I got my epic for ... well I got the tear for just 10k (https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187614&page=2), and then got random server people to help me with the fight ... but even the tear with a raid force was only selling for like 50k back then.

I'm kind of surprised the tear is so expensive, especially on Blue. There must be an army of alt Shaman being created, or else some guild is monopolizing the Fear golems and raising prices.

Yeah prices have changed a lot. I bought Torpor for 80k I think, and tear for 75k years ago from a guildie before Green came out, right before the price jumped. Tear was like 120k with the final fight for years, even during Green. Tear prices finally started coming down again recently, 75k is pretty cheap compared to what it was.

Tears are just rarer with the Fear revamp. Sounds like you got your tear before the Fear revamp based on the price and date. Often times the tears go to guildies for DKP, so extra rarity + less market availability drives the price up. They also added a raid rule a few years ago that requires you to leave Fear and re-enter it whenever a raid target spawns. This basically killed the Fear farm crews. Now only Hate is still viable for farm crews doing things like Earth Staff.