Calm Animal and Crit Resists

[AEH84]

Can someone clarify if CHA effects crit resist rate on calm animal? Specifically in bear pits, will I see less crit resists on calm animal with 130 CHA vs like 80 CHA? What about level gap? If CHA is the same, will I see less crit resists at 59 vs 54 if the bears are all level 45?

[Crede]

I always thought animal and undead calm weren’t affected by charisma

[Tann]

Not personally done tests but I believe all lull spells, no matter what class is casting them, use charisma as a check.

Video of Sarleon going over this in a chardok video, been a while since I watched it but basically states that there is a quite noticable difference in crit resits going from 75 to 100 cha.

[long.liam]

Not personally done tests but I believe all lull spells, no matter what class is casting them, use charisma as a check.

Video of Sarleon going over this in a chardok video, been a while since I watched it but basically states that there is a quite noticable difference in crit resits going from 75 to 100 cha.

I believe all Lull spells including the Undead and Animal only lull spells use charisma as a saving throw for crit resists. It has no affect on whether or not spell resists, but on a resist, the more charisma your character has the less likely you will get a critical resist. In other words the more charisma you have the less likely you are to be attacked by an npc on a resisted lull.

[AEH84]

I believe all Lull spells including the Undead and Animal only lull spells use charisma as a saving throw for crit resists. It has no affect on whether or not spell resists, but on a resist, the more charisma your character has the less likely you will get a critical resist. In other words the more charisma you have the less likely you are to be attacked by an npc on a resisted lull.

Is CHA the ONLY thing that affects the crit resist rage? Does level difference have anything to do with it?

[Tann]

Is CHA the ONLY thing that affects the crit resist rage? Does level difference have anything to do with it?

Level difference affects resist rates by default, more resists = more rolls for crit resist

[zelld52]

MobRoll = (((MobMR + MobLevel) / 3) / 255) + (RandomFloat(-10, 10) / 100.0)

CasterRoll = (((CasterCha + CasterLevel / 3) / 255) + (RandomFloat(-10, 10) / 100.0)


If the Caster Roll is less than Mob Roll, you get a "Critical" resist, and the mob will aggro. These rolls are only performed on a resist.

[long.liam]

Is CHA the ONLY thing that affects the crit resist rage? Does level difference have anything to do with it?

Level Difference and MR only affect the chance of resist. It has no affect on whether are not the resist causes a critical.

[long.liam]

MobRoll = (((MobMR + MobLevel) / 3) / 255) + (RandomFloat(-10, 10) / 100.0)

CasterRoll = (((CasterCha + CasterLevel / 3) / 255) + (RandomFloat(-10, 10) / 100.0)


If the Caster Roll is less than Mob Roll, you get a "Critical" resist, and the mob will aggro. These rolls are only performed on a resist.

Are those formulas from P1999 or PEQ database?

[zelld52]

Someone dug those out of p99 years ago.

Seems legit to me, at around 220 cha on Enc I never get crit resist on mobs 5+ levels lower than me.

On necro level 60 with 25cha, I get crit resist all the time


Plugging a few numbers in:

(1/255) * [(Level 60 + 25 cha) / 3] +- 0.1 = [0.01, 0.21]. - 60 Necro/25cha roll bounds

(1/255) * [(Level 55 + 220 cha) / 3] +- 0.1 = [0.26, 0.46] - 55 enc/220 Cha roll bounds

Same formula, mob level 49, 25 MR = [0.00, 0.20] - 49 mob with 25MR

So you can effectively eliminate the chance of crit resist on lull with enough charisma. (See there is no intersection between the enchanter and mob rolls).

Even though Necro is higher level, there is more intersection of the rolls on resist. This is the true power of charisma in terms of CC.

[zelld52]

Long story short, it checks your CHA against their MR. The more your CHA is above their MR, the lower the probability of a crit resist. Level difference does not make as much difference with crit resist as charisma does.

[AEH84]

Long story short, it checks your CHA against their MR. The more your CHA is above their MR, the lower the probability of a crit resist. Level difference does not make as much difference with crit resist as charisma does.
Thanks. As someone mentioned above though, While level difference may not matter for CRIT resists, it DOES matter for normal resists. Can’t have a crit resist without a normal resist first. Or is the crit resist a totally seperate roll?

[PatChapp]

It is a separate roll that happens after the resist roll
The lull line of spells has a higher resist rate than other spell lines
In my experience level difference has always been the biggest factor in resist and Crit rates,but this comes from a 255 cha Lvl 60 enchanter, so my bias may be skewed.

[AEH84]

It is a separate roll that happens after the resist roll
The lull line of spells has a higher resist rate than other spell lines
In my experience level difference has always been the biggest factor in resist and Crit rates,but this comes from a 255 cha Lvl 60 enchanter, so my bias may be skewed.

I’m no 60 enchanter with maxed CHA. I’m just a poor ass Druid with 90 Charisma trying not to die in the bear pits.