1h weapons are ookie dookie butter

[ya.dingus]

Let's be real. get a decent 2h.

1hs are bad.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You know what they say:

"One man's ookie dookie butter is another mans spookie ookie strutter."

[Crede]

Preferred double epics on my Ranger over 2h

[Ripqozko]

Preferred double epics on my Ranger over 2h

its worse dps at end game, my cek 2h does much better than my kflame and epic off.

[Snaggles]

For knights? Not bad if you want to keep AC up and bash if no slam. Dps drops a lot but that’s not what you’re there for. Any extra chance to stop a gater is worth it.

On like plugging away at ToV stuff? Nah 1h sucks.

Warriors, rangers, and monks most 2h’s currently beat em. At least tier per tier comparisons. Definitely easier to loot a 1.15 ratio weap than two BiS 1h’s.

[Crede]

its worse dps at end game, my cek 2h does much better than my kflame and epic off.

It’s nice when soloing. Swarmcaller dps sucks and I’d rather just swap in 1 wep instead of 2 after proc. Better stats too. Not saying it’s better dps overall. Just preferred.

[Ripqozko]

It’s nice when soloing. Swarmcaller dps sucks and I’d rather just swap in 1 wep instead of 2 after proc. Better stats too. Not saying it’s better dps overall. Just preferred.

its only nice when soloing cause ya dont have a good tov 2h, even soloing 2h is better. no need to bother slowing when just grinding normal stuff less ya doing very particular stuff like juggs with duo.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I think everybody agrees 2h is currently better in P99 right now from a parse and damage reduction standpoint.

1h feels more fun though, in my opinion. I use Baton of Royal Stature and Adamantite Club on my Monk because it feels fun, and I am still killing the mobs I want to at a good rate. I have an IFS too, which I use when I need to maximize my DPS.

[Snaggles]

its only nice when soloing cause ya dont have a good tov 2h, even soloing 2h is better. no need to bother slowing when just grinding normal stuff less ya doing very particular stuff like juggs with duo.

I guess it depends on the solo target. SK’s have notoriously used willsappers to farm level 50+ targets and borked their dps hoping for a 35% slow. The drop between a Meljeldin and normal DW setup (or even an swarmcaller) isn’t that severe and the slow is better.

For most stuff with a ranger, 2h and nukes to keep dps high probably makes more sense than hoping for rng. Unless your earthcaller is on par with your 2h as mentioned.

[Crede]

its only nice when soloing cause ya dont have a good tov 2h, even soloing 2h is better. no need to bother slowing when just grinding normal stuff less ya doing very particular stuff like juggs with duo.

If I got cek 2h I’d prob still use double epics for grinding xp since rangers can’t mitigate for shit. I don’t think the dps difference is substantial enough to totally ditch trying to slow. Like the herb spade I found wasn’t really worth giving up double epics for. Obviously cek 2h is better but I haven’t played with that on a Ranger to know if it’s worth it. Is it truly THAT much better.

[Ripqozko]

If I got cek 2h I’d prob still use double epics for grinding xp since rangers can’t mitigate for shit. I don’t think the dps difference is substantial enough to totally ditch trying to slow. Like the herb spade I found wasn’t really worth giving up double epics for. Obviously cek 2h is better but I haven’t played with that on a Ranger to know if it’s worth it. Is it truly THAT much better.

it outdps's my kflame, yes its that much better

[Crede]

it outdps's my kflame, yes its that much better

Ehh let’s see a parse comparison. Not sure it’s worth giving up slow proc potential for some extra dps. Raids/groups sure.

[Ripqozko]

Ehh let’s see a parse comparison. Not sure it’s worth giving up slow proc potential for some extra dps. Raids/groups sure.

i can only give ya raid stuff, im not really interested in doing bunch of group parses. its not like ya aiming for it anyways.

[Crede]

i can only give ya raid stuff, im not really interested in doing bunch of group parses. its not like ya aiming for it anyways.

No just curious can you find a high hp mob like that giant in Fm and compare double epic vs cek. I’d do it if I had it just curious how much the difference truly is.

[Ripqozko]

No just curious can you find a high hp mob like that giant in Fm and compare double epic vs cek. I’d do it if I had it just curious how much the difference truly is.

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shoeshine -rogue
phillip - abashi monk
me with cek 2h

then rogue, monk, monk, war, monk, rogue behind me

[Ripqozko]

For reference choamsky is a 1h ranger

[Snaggles]

My ranger isn’t BiS but most Vindi parses (which are short) are in the high 50’s to low 60’s with a Silver Whip of Rage and Claw of Lightning. With a spiked seahorse, shiss, and no AOB items the Meljeldin is mid 60’s to 71 was my best. Most BoF and Swiftblade friends are in that mid 60 range.

I have Yeli gloves now and can do more parsing on a low AC mob like Bloodmaw. Ideally I’d have a Baton of Flame too and some AoB’s but oh well. Also I don’t buy high vs low ac favoring 1h. The dmg bonus on a Meljeldin is 34, it’s 11 on a BoF and 0 on your offhand. Main hand to main hand the dmg bonus/delay ratio is .8947 (2h) vs .647 (BoF). So with a lot of skunky hits the 2h in general is returning a better return on investment.

[Cen]

For the most part, I agree that in this game 2 handers are likely all that matters, which is why I consider Slam a far more important racial then fsi or regen for Shadowknights specifically. Warriors it's still super nice to have but kick, and shamans it's kind of not great at 0 skill level bash

[ya.dingus]

It feels nice just having it available honestly. Just another button to push in a game where pure classes dont have many abilities in the first place. I miss having slam on my human sk, whereas it feels super good using a 2h on my troll sk.

Probably the reason why I tend to use 1h/shield on my human, just so I can press the bash button to make the gameplay feel a little more interactive with a filler. No logic to it other than that.

[atomos]

Have a 40 DE SK that levels in a trio, currently have a Nocti blade + SBS for bash. Looking to plan my next weapon upgrade. Seems that a shard of night would be optimal but poor fashion quest.

I could also get an argent protector.

Thoughts on importance of bash+AC vs 2H dmg as MT in exp groups? Consensus still seems to favor 2H based on what I've read, but the difference doesn't become super apparent until damage bonus ramps in high 50s.

[Ripqozko]

Have a 40 DE SK that levels in a trio, currently have a Nocti blade + SBS for bash. Looking to plan my next weapon upgrade. Seems that a shard of night would be optimal but poor fashion quest.

I could also get an argent protector.

Thoughts on importance of bash+AC vs 2H dmg as MT in exp groups? Consensus still seems to favor 2H based on what I've read, but the difference doesn't become super apparent until damage bonus ramps in high 50s.

I exclusively used 2h after 30, the dps difference is noticeable

[Lune]

Have a 40 DE SK that levels in a trio, currently have a Nocti blade + SBS for bash. Looking to plan my next weapon upgrade. Seems that a shard of night would be optimal but poor fashion quest.

I could also get an argent protector.

Thoughts on importance of bash+AC vs 2H dmg as MT in exp groups? Consensus still seems to favor 2H based on what I've read, but the difference doesn't become super apparent until damage bonus ramps in high 50s.

Yea i grouped with you guys in Guk the other day on my SK.

I carry around Exquisite Velium Claidhmore (https://wiki.project1999.com/Exquisite_Velium_Claidhmore) and Ebon Mace (https://wiki.project1999.com/Ebon_Mace) / Atramentous Shield. I've gotten basically no use out of the 1h/shield since maybe the high 20's as the 2H does so much more damage that the bash/AC hasn't been worth it.

[Ennewi]

If pulling as well, a good shield will usually have resists on it and bash can be used for potential interrupt if you see the mob casting a heavy dot/dd...saves the healer some mana for when you're actually tanking.

[Troxx]

If pulling as well, a good shield will usually have resists on it and bash can be used for potential interrupt if you see the mob casting a heavy dot/dd...saves the healer some mana for when you're actually tanking.

Warrior kick stuns 55+
All large races can slam
Knight epics allow for bash
Paladins can more reliably interrupt significant casts with a 35 mana stun

But I guess this is relevant for the non ogre/troll sks who don’t have their epic

To be honest the only reasons I can see for knights to use a shield while in combat is if they have a really badass 1hander and have no 2hander in the same league or when turtling down to raid tank an ass beater.

The 2h dmg bonus patch changed everything.

[Jimjam]

Shields look cooler!

[Toxigen]

There is basically zero reason to use a shield. 2H is that much better.

[Ripqozko]

There is basically zero reason to use a shield. 2H is that much better.

i only swap to get extra hp for when im tanking something harder like tov trash and hot, really about it.

[Troxx]

A case could be made for shield ac when tanking an absolute ass beater of a mob I suppose but if the difference is using vs not using a shield is making that big a difference in survivability you could also make the case that having someone else tank it altogether is preferable. Statistically you should be taking about 50% less riposte damage with a hander.

Holding aggro with a 2 hander is gonna be easier. More white damage threat at baseline by a long shot and fewer missed melee rounds as it’s easier to mix spell casts in with slower swing rate.

I haven’t used a shield on my paladin since I got Natures Defender. Definitely wouldn’t consider it now with Greatspear of Dawn. Then again I don’t have a sweet ass NToV 1hander with raid shield to match tempting me. I could very well feel different if I had such a combo.

[Jimjam]

There is basically zero reason to use a shield. 2H is that much better.

Someone didn’t roll iksar!

[Gloomlord]

A case could be made for shield ac when tanking an absolute ass beater of a mob I suppose but if the difference is using vs not using a shield is making that big a difference in survivability you could also make the case that having someone else tank it altogether is preferable. Statistically you should be taking about 50% less riposte damage with a hander.

Holding aggro with a 2 hander is gonna be easier. More white damage threat at baseline by a long shot and fewer missed melee rounds as it’s easier to mix spell casts in with slower swing rate.

I haven’t used a shield on my paladin since I got Natures Defender. Definitely wouldn’t consider it now with Greatspear of Dawn. Then again I don’t have a sweet ass NToV 1hander with raid shield to match tempting me. I could very well feel different if I had such a combo.

I would like to ask, then:

I have a Jeldorin and an Iceflame on my paladin. Is Iceflame worth using over Jeldorin in any situation at the moment?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I would like to ask, then:

I have a Jeldorin and an Iceflame on my paladin. Is Iceflame worth using over Jeldorin in any situation at the moment?

Iceflame is 2H, it has a slightly higher ratio, and a damage proc. It should out DPS your Jeldorin.

You can always use Jeldorin while tanking for extra heals, or on mobs that are running away to try and get a lucky proc, assuming it is safe to allow the mob to run.

[Snaggles]

I would like to ask, then:

I have a Jeldorin and an Iceflame on my paladin. Is Iceflame worth using over Jeldorin in any situation at the moment?

19/24 1h = .791666 raw ratio

35/44 2h =.7954545 raw ratio

1-30 = Jeldorin (due to damage cap)


Sample Level: 50

19/24 + 8 dmg bonus = 1.91666 modified ratio
35/44 + 16 dmg bonus = 1.9545 modified ratio

sample level: 55

19/24 + 10 dmg bonus = 2.0 modified ratio
35/44 + 26 dmg bonus = 2.1818 modified ratio

https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html?setcookie=1


Concensus:
There are very few situations I would use an Iceflame over a Jeldorin. It's a 500p weapon, the jeld is around 15-20k. It's apples to orangutans.

The heal proc is substantial for the ratio difference, certainly over the 60dd or whatever the iceflame will produce.

If comparing the Jeldorin to the Reaver or another 1.0+ ratio 2h, that is different. It's still a 8k (on blue) weapon though which is like 1/3rd a jeld. The jeld remains one of the better tanking weapons for a paladin. It's 75hps at 60 (50hp 5 stamina), you get to bash and use a shield, it heals you. As a weapon to attack random raid targets it's not great. I accidentally didnt equip my 2h one time on Dain and my Jeldorin did 25dps . That's on par with most bards.

[Gloomlord]

Thanks for the replies.

Also, I'm on Green.

[Troxx]

I would like to ask, then:

I have a Jeldorin and an Iceflame on my paladin. Is Iceflame worth using over Jeldorin in any situation at the moment?

Ratio is nearly identical.
-The iceflame will do more damage due to 2h dmg bonus and the minor contributions of the proc.
-The 1hander gives you 60-76 more hp (plus whatever stats/ac on your shield) and a 162hp heal proc

This is a scenario where I would say the 1h option is clearly better any time you are tanking … by a college mile. With bad dexterity and only 1 proc per minute it can result in better passive combat healing than wearing a a fungi.

I’d only break out the iceflame if you find yourself in a position where you aren’t tanking and are only dpsing.

Save up for a Narandi Lance :p

[Snaggles]

On blues bash damage actually is something. It’s not great but if splitting hairs on ratio would tip it even further for the Jeldorin.

I agree though. Narandi or Reaver and keep the Jeldorin for other stuff. A carved Dragonbone Spear (25/30) would be a nice one to train up for a Narandi.

[Gloomlord]

Then I assume, once I do net myself a Narandi Lance, that Jeldorin is still worth using in a group situation for essentially being the "fungi sword"?

Right now, I'm saving up for a Spiked Seahorse Belt. Should I scrap that to net myself a Narandi Lance sooner?

[Crede]

Then I assume, once I do net myself a Narandi Lance, that Jeldorin is still worth using in a group situation for essentially being the "fungi sword"?

Right now, I'm saving up for a Spiked Seahorse Belt. Should I scrap that to net myself a Narandi Lance sooner?

Not sure if you raid but try to either get or MQ the sky belt. Bet it rots a lot which will give you better haste and focus on getting pally epic. It’s not that hard, it’s a great all around weapon with a solid proc and also gives you 2h bash. Lance looks like ass.

[Gloomlord]

I don't raid at the moment. Being an Australian isn't kind to me on an American centric server. So, I think Narandi's or that belt are possibly the best option at the moment.

[Balimon]

I don't raid at the moment. Being an Australian isn't kind to me on an American centric server. So, I think Narandi's or that belt are possibly the best option at the moment.

You could buy a pally sky belt MQ on green for less than a Seahorse belt, they aren't that rare or expensive at all. The extra Haste is worth it! Narandi's lance is a good choice but there are some other cheaper options as well if you want an upgrade sooner, can always resell later to get the Lance.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Argent_Protector

Can prolly get that for 4k or less

[Snaggles]

There will be times bash is handy to have. Some stuff in seb can CH or gate and your cast stuns aren’t always a guarantee so it basically gives two coin-flips instead of one.

You could solo or group just with a Narandi. As a single weapon it’s better than the epic or the Jeldorin (especially soloing). They do have situational uses though. I’d always have a 1h/shield on me even if it’s a Velks sword or a Sword of the Morning. The Jeld is just by far the most Gucci tank weapon you can buy.

[mattydef]

Agreed, using Meljeldin on ranger and TSBS on warrior

[Ripqozko]

Agreed, using Meljeldin on ranger and TSBS on warrior

Smart man that's ranger bis

[zelld52]

Can't beat a meaty 2h damage bonus.

[Dundrige]

I have been parsing these two for a few days, all else constant against Kael Giants:

Petrified Heartwood Flamberge: 60-75 DPS
Sledge of Smashing + Shield of the Dawn: 45-55 DPS

And I'm noticing about a 10% damage mitigation with the Sledge & Shield.

[Sonark]

Someone didn’t roll iksar!Greenmist+Atramentous Shield is what happiness smells like

[Bardp1999]

For knights? Not bad if you want to keep AC up and bash if no slam. Dps drops a lot but that’s not what you’re there for. Any extra chance to stop a gater is worth it.

*Paladin Epic enters the Chat*

[Naethyn]

I swap in a shield during enrage.