I hate with a capital H using shaman/necro/sk mobs as pets

[unsunghero]

I love fighting against casters (wandering mind + ToT), but I haaattttee having to use them as pets. It’s bad enough I have to interrupt every single enemy mob cast to prevent them from dotting my charmed pet, making it to where I can’t mez it on a charm break

But I cannot at all prevent my pet from dotting up the target it’s killing. And root just doesn’t cut the mustard as control for charm breaks. Because this means that one OR BOTH of the mobs can now free cast on me. I’m having to focus my attention on re-gaining control of my previous charmed pet, which is now casting at me. I cannot interrupt the other rooted mob also casting on me

And one single disease and poison dot from a blue con enemy shaman and I’m basically dead. No way to absorb those with runes…

I can’t easily micro in a cancel magic to remove dots from the enemy mob on a charm break, there’s too much other stuff to do. But I’m considering it, because it’s either that or just trying to out-range the casts. But the game loves to give enemy mobs extra cushion, if I’m close enough to land root on it, it will for sure be able to stick at least 1 spell on me before I outrange it

I will go way out of my way to locate a warrior or wizard mob to charm, but sometimes it’s just unavoidable, you have to pick the annoying as shit dotting classes :(

[unsunghero]

^
They were also clever in making pets ignore all player commands when they start casting a spell. Otherwise I would easily tell it to /back off, or make it take a step some other way to cancel every dot cast, leaving just its nukes and slows

But nope, as soon as the charmed pet begins casting a spell, it doesn’t give a shit about what I’m telling it to do or what’s happening to it. It will stand there with 3 enemy mobs wailing it in the face and die because it was mid-cast and ignored all commands to fall back

Edit: in the interest of time and carnage I am often hasting and giving a torch to charmed pets. So breaks are especially dangerous already

[unsunghero]

Also, remember mez isn’t just mez if you care about your pet or enemy mob’s heath totals

Mez is really mez gcd-reset-tash, or there’s a decent chance it’ll blur and start chunking that health up

This is just a vent, I know chanters are still OP

[Jimjam]

Consider grouping.

[unsunghero]

Consider grouping.

Maybe one day

Oh and on the subject of disappointing pets, I thought a charmed SK mob pet was the coolest because you get to watch it harm touch something, and I figured if any pet is going to be able to go the distance, it’s an sk with that lifetap proc

But that shit breaks root left and right, makes it not really as worth it. With a caster pet when it winds up a big nuke and I often queue up a root to land right after it, especially if I needed to refresh root

But lifetap procs are random. It’s like “oh root just broke instantly after I rooted, hey and charm did too! Uh oh”

That’s another vent about the most OP class in the game ;)

[Vivitron]

Casters are an extra challenge, but '/pet sit' will at least interrupt your pet. Sometimes when I'm charming a caster I'll edit my pet kill hotkey to include a pet sit on the first line then spam it during the fight. You'll have to manually click the hotkey in your socials page to use it while you are casting, though, and it messes up your pet's guard behavior.

[unsunghero]

Casters are an extra challenge, but '/pet sit' will at least interrupt your pet. Sometimes when I'm charming a caster I'll edit my pet kill hotkey to include a pet sit on the first line then spam it during the fight. You'll have to manually click the hotkey in your socials page to use it while you are casting, though, and it messes up your pet's guard behavior.

Oh no way!

I use /pet sit all the time because I really do feel like they take extra damage when sitting, so I spam it every time I need the pet to die faster

I can’t believe it will interrupt casts! Never tried it for this before, this can save some serious stress if so

[Tann]

Oh no way!

I use /pet sit all the time because I really do feel like they take extra damage when sitting, so I spam it every time I need the pet to die faster

I can’t believe it will interrupt casts! Never tried it for this before, this can save some serious stress if so

/pet sit is a godsent when dealing with caster pets, extra level of control to make them stop spamming dispell or nukes and dots.

[Endorra]

Not sure what level you are but color slant + gcd reset + allure will work to recharm dotted pets that break. Same with Boltrans, except boltrans is faster than allure so you can get away with shorter stuns.

They are extra work and extra danger, though. No way around that really.

[unsunghero]

/pet sit is a godsent when dealing with caster pets, extra level of control to make them stop spamming dispell or nukes and dots.

Thus far it's worked great to prevent charmed pets from dotting or dispelling the target

However, minor hiccup

If I am using, say, a shaman charmed pet to kill a shaman mob, then the /pet sit trick is a bit limited. Because the enemy shaman will be constantly trying to cast on my pet, which I deal with either by spamming mez to interrupt or by stunning

In fact, this is just something I've noticed, but if you haste and give a torch to a lev 45+ charmed pet, it will hit so fast, that all you have to do is cast mez over and over as soon as you can at the target, and it will not be able to get a single spell off before it dies. No stuns needed

The problem is that if I am mid-cast of mez or stun, the /pet sit command I don't think works. I don't think I can cast and issue a pet command at the exact same time, although only tested for like 30 mins before having to log off here. So I don't think I can interrupt both the enemy mob and my pet's casts at the same exact time

[Karanis]

You can use macros (such as /pet sit) while mid-cast if you click them from your social window rather than your main hotbar iirc :)

[unsunghero]

Not sure what level you are but color slant + gcd reset + allure will work to recharm dotted pets that break. Same with Boltrans, except boltrans is faster than allure so you can get away with shorter stuns.

They are extra work and extra danger, though. No way around that really.

Ya I alternate between cajoling whisper and allure depending on the level of what I fighting

But honestly, charm is often not on my bar. I haven’t bothered to give it a dedicated slot for a while now. I mean sometimes it’s on there, but it competes for slow, invis, and nukes slots. I sit and swap it in and out as needed, since it has no recast delay and can be used right away

So in the past I preferred to just color shift stun-GCD-reset-mez, sit and mem charm and possibly swap something else in my second swap slot too. Maybe refresh a root. And slowly regain control of the situation. Mez gives me all the time in the world to re-charm when I’m ready

But I could opt for slant+re-charm, haven’t really used slant much. It’s a bit expensive mana wise. A shame the one before it is a 2s cast, not 1.5

I know some chanters keep 2 stuns on bar, I haven’t needed that yet really, fighting mostly outside

[Vivitron]

Thus far it's worked great to prevent charmed pets from dotting or dispelling the target

However, minor hiccup

If I am using, say, a shaman charmed pet to kill a shaman mob, then the /pet sit trick is a bit limited. Because the enemy shaman will be constantly trying to cast on my pet, which I deal with either by spamming mez to interrupt or by stunning

In fact, this is just something I've noticed, but if you haste and give a torch to a lev 45+ charmed pet, it will hit so fast, that all you have to do is cast mez over and over as soon as you can at the target, and it will not be able to get a single spell off before it dies. No stuns needed

The problem is that if I am mid-cast of mez or stun, the /pet sit command I don't think works. I don't think I can cast and issue a pet command at the exact same time, although only tested for like 30 mins before having to log off here. So I don't think I can interrupt both the enemy mob and my pet's casts at the same exact time

You can click on the ...socials page?... while casting -- the page where you create your hotkeys. Only there though, the pet window and hotbar don't work while casting.

[unsunghero]

In regards to hotkeys, I lately have preferred the fastest possible killrate method, assuming an endless supply of mobs and some being casters to suck (drain)

This method isn’t as good for exp as reverse charming, but it’s a better moneymaker in regards to drops and probably isn’t as bad as one might think, exp-wise

The reality is that conventional or reverse charming is still two mobs slowly whaling on each other. Which is what? Two autoswings each every few seconds unbuffed? Can be sped along with /pet sit spam or having multiple mobs engage the pet at once, but if it’s just 2 mobs that can be a really slow process, with all the missing too

So I prefer to pick a blue mob, charm it, haste it, give it a torch, give it a ds, and then massacre greens/blues around. Sometimes when I really want the mob to last I slow the greens, but usually they die so fast I don’t need to. I’m like “oh it’s dead already? I had glanced down for a second”. Usually 1 blue mob like this can massacre up to 20+ greens (even other blues but these I slow), almost an endless amount if you keep giving it free rune. The damage is just nuts, but I bet a twinked player dps could still maybe beat it

You’re only getting 50% of the exp, but the rate of killing is through the roof and you never have to slow down or stop if you have things to suck (mana from). When your blue pet gets low, if it’s a high level warrior type I’ll blur that baby and re-use. But sometimes I just kill it for full exp there

So anyway, my hotkey setup for this is swap slot1/swap slot 2 is normally tash full time otherwise so sometimes I swap this slot, usually only in emergencies/color shift/mez/ToT/Wandering Mind/Free rune/Root

Swaps are: slow invis, charm, nuke, rune 3

I think due to the kill rate this is better money and more exp/hour than having 2 mobs slowly whittle themselves down so charm can be broke and both killed for full exp. But not faster exp/hour than reverse charming where 1 mob gets rapidly taken down by 2-3 others. That method probably fastest solo exp overall of any method

[unsunghero]

One could say that wandering mind and ToT are almost overkill but that +C2 + Gift of insight regen means you can essentially spam free rune on your charmed pet every time it's up. That + slow on the enemy mob + interrupting their casts means the charmed pet on steroids isn't really taking any damage at all for as long as you don't want it to

[Toxigen]

I don't think I ever used Wandering Mind on Tox.

[unsunghero]

I don't think I ever used Wandering Mind on Tox.

It’s pretty handy when you don’t have a flowing thought item. All the chanter spells are overpriced on mana it seems

Especially since finishing off a 45+ blue mob sometimes takes like 3-5 dementia casts in a row. It’s crazy how much health they stacked the high level mobs with

Cool new 650 damage nuke? Yea that’s like a tiny tiny sliver of its health. And if it’s a caster that you don’t want casting on you, it’s really dementia then either mez + GCD reset + tash (because you don’t want mez to blur it and have that health chunk back up even one tick, that one tick could be 2 more dementia casts) then repeat that 3 times

Or some sort of nuke stun stun nuke chain to keep it from casting and healing itself

I wish we got a bigger nuke than dementia but ah well can’t have everything

[Jimjam]

You gotta feel bad for wizard mains when expansions dropped.

Ballooning mob hp and weapon ratios, but they never really feel they get that much better dps option than comet until they are way past basic group content.

[unsunghero]

You gotta feel bad for wizard mains when expansions dropped.

Ballooning mob hp and weapon ratios, but they never really feel they get that much better dps option than comet until they are way past basic group content.

That’s what I was thinking. It takes like 4-5 dementia casts to go from 1 bubble to dead. How many would it take to take it from full health to dead? I wouldn’t even have nearly enough mana for that if I wanted

[Toxigen]

Why are you breaking charm at a full bubble?

I don't play anymore but I'd be happy to do some coaching if you're open to it. Just stream on discord (I have a server we can use) and I can give you pointers.

[unsunghero]

Why are you breaking charm at a full bubble?

I don't play anymore but I'd be happy to do some coaching if you're open to it. Just stream on discord (I have a server we can use) and I can give you pointers.

Just happens sometimes when there’s nothing left to throw it against. This is including spamming pet sit on the last few mobs to try to get it as low as possible

When there’s nothing else around, you have 2 options. Blur it back up and re-use or find a way to finish it. Usually I only play solo for 20-45 min chunks at a time, so I often want to just finish it and log off

Hell, I’ve had to finish mobs manually from 2 bubbles of health before because there was nothing else left for them to attack. Those situations I do a combination of nukes and root rotting with our shitty dot

[Toxigen]

Just happens sometimes when there’s nothing left to throw it against. This is including spamming pet sit on the last few mobs to try to get it as low as possible

When there’s nothing else around, you have 2 options. Blur it back up and re-use or find a way to finish it. Usually I only play solo for 20-45 min chunks at a time, so I often want to just finish it and log off

Hell, I’ve had to finish mobs manually from 2 bubbles of health before because there was nothing else left for them to attack. Those situations I do a combination of nukes and root rotting with our shitty dot

yuck lol

[Crede]

Just happens sometimes when there’s nothing left to throw it against. This is including spamming pet sit on the last few mobs to try to get it as low as possible

When there’s nothing else around, you have 2 options. Blur it back up and re-use or find a way to finish it. Usually I only play solo for 20-45 min chunks at a time, so I often want to just finish it and log off

Hell, I’ve had to finish mobs manually from 2 bubbles of health before because there was nothing else left for them to attack. Those situations I do a combination of nukes and root rotting with our shitty dot

Go to HS west. You won’t run out of mobs.

[unsunghero]

Go to HS west. You won’t run out of mobs.

Maybe one day after I get a raider skullcap for the evac and bedlam

I’m also not keen on doing weird shit with stalker probes to exploit through locked doors. I figure if the door was locked, the game didn’t intend for me to go there ;)

Not sure if west side of that is like that, but I hear some parts are. Also, I think it’s super cheesy to have mobs attacking me before my shitbox of a computer even loads the zone like HS does. Some of my few deaths was my computer processor decided to take a shit loading some background process and freezing my screen when I have a charmed pet standing next to me…

[Alarria]

You could do fine in North pre-Bedlam. Get a key from basement from one of the necros soloing there and work your way in. Safespot once you're past the paining, and you can easily get to 60 there. If you want though, the boss there drops the West key if you don't wanna glitch through the door. Cap isn't necessary if you play careful!

[unsunghero]

You could do fine in North pre-Bedlam. Get a key from basement from one of the necros soloing there and work your way in. Safespot once you're past the paining, and you can easily get to 60 there. If you want though, the boss there drops the West key if you don't wanna glitch through the door. Cap isn't necessary if you play careful!

I actually have the key to HS, nice guild leader helped me get it a year ago before I quit. Helped me as in I didn’t know what it was and didn’t want it, but had it offered anyway so I took it

So I can zone in, get the shit beat out me for a few seconds by 2 mobs, kill those, then levitate down to a safe ledge in basement, correct?

Sadly yea I might actually be more likely to try that out than even chardok. But definitely with a raider skullcap

[enjchanter]

I love fighting against casters (wandering mind + ToT), but I haaattttee having to use them as pets. It’s bad enough I have to interrupt every single enemy mob cast to prevent them from dotting my charmed pet, making it to where I can’t mez it on a charm break

But I cannot at all prevent my pet from dotting up the target it’s killing. And root just doesn’t cut the mustard as control for charm breaks. Because this means that one OR BOTH of the mobs can now free cast on me. I’m having to focus my attention on re-gaining control of my previous charmed pet, which is now casting at me. I cannot interrupt the other rooted mob also casting on me

And one single disease and poison dot from a blue con enemy shaman and I’m basically dead. No way to absorb those with runes…

I can’t easily micro in a cancel magic to remove dots from the enemy mob on a charm break, there’s too much other stuff to do. But I’m considering it, because it’s either that or just trying to out-range the casts. But the game loves to give enemy mobs extra cushion, if I’m close enough to land root on it, it will for sure be able to stick at least 1 spell on me before I outrange it

I will go way out of my way to locate a warrior or wizard mob to charm, but sometimes it’s just unavoidable, you have to pick the annoying as shit dotting classes :(

Just tell it to sit while it's casting bro

[Toxigen]

I actually have the key to HS, nice guild leader helped me get it a year ago before I quit. Helped me as in I didn’t know what it was and didn’t want it, but had it offered anyway so I took it

So I can zone in, get the shit beat out me for a few seconds by 2 mobs, kill those, then levitate down to a safe ledge in basement, correct?

Sadly yea I might actually be more likely to try that out than even chardok. But definitely with a raider skullcap

If you're worried about HS I solo'd there for a long time with no WC cap at all. Lots of people have pocket clerics parked in the basement safe spot. North ramp also has a safe spot and is a great spot to learn the basics.

You won't need torches or hasted pets either. The damage is coming from other mobs (lots of harmtouches).

Bind on the cliff above Charasis Pit in OT, try to get double invis for the zone-in, get the mobs under control at zone in if you're seen, use your camera to see down into basement and levi down to the mound of poop. Now you're in basement safe spot and ready to get a north key off a sperm.

My offer stands if you want to pop on my discord and stream. I can kinda guide you on getting to the north ramp as safely as possible. PM me if interested.

[Videri]

OP, did you know that if you charm a mob, any dots and debuffs it has cast on you will come off? Unless they’ve changed that recently.

[Jimjam]

Could you break charm when you only have 2 mobs left and use the other mob to kill the former pet, loot the twinkage and just log out leaving the one mob remaining?

[unsunghero]

Note: upon further reflection and testing, it is actually better exp to make a super mob (max haste + torch + DS), break charm, use a long lasting root on it, then do the reverse and suicide mobs into it

It’s significantly more mana intensive, since it will involve breaking charm and finishing each with a nuke, most likely discordant mind or dementia. If someone has the reflexes to pull a lev 45+ mob back in Anarchy nuke (our 3rd strongest nuke) range from a hasted torch wielding pet without the mob dying first more power to them, but I’m going to assume it’s going to take at least 1 discordant mind or dementia to kill each one

But this way you get the full 100% exp for everything

However

This just isn’t a fun and is a bit more awkward. And since exp/hour isn’t the end all be all with me, ima keep doing it my way (not the reverse)

[unsunghero]

Could you break charm when you only have 2 mobs left and use the other mob to kill the former pet, loot the twinkage and just log out leaving the one mob remaining?

Ya

[Toxigen]

Note: upon further reflection and testing, it is actually better exp to make a super mob (max haste + torch + DS), break charm, use a long lasting root on it, then do the reverse and suicide mobs into it

It’s significantly more mana intensive, since it will involve breaking charm and finishing each with a nuke, most likely discordant mind or dementia. If someone has the reflexes to pull a lev 45+ mob back in Anarchy nuke (our 3rd strongest nuke) range from a hasted torch wielding pet without the mob dying first more power to them, but I’m going to assume it’s going to take at least 1 discordant mind or dementia to kill each one

But this way you get the full 100% exp for everything

However

This just isn’t a fun and is a bit more awkward. And since exp/hour isn’t the end all be all with me, ima keep doing it my way (not the reverse)

i cant imagine doing this for XP as a solo enc lol

its one thing when you're 60 and camping nameds for loot...sure...you get that dedicated charm pet going because you need it to get through the named (A4, etc)

but for pure xp? nah. you really dont need to torch or haste at all...just charm a mob, send it into a room of mobs, root em all on top of yours and watch the hp melt

this is why HS is so good...your pets are constantly getting harmtouched which is DPS...without all the butt pucker from a ballistic missile of a pet eating your ass for dinner

[unsunghero]

i cant imagine doing this for XP as a solo enc lol

its one thing when you're 60 and camping nameds for loot...sure...you get that dedicated charm pet going because you need it to get through the named (A4, etc)

but for pure xp? nah. you really dont need to torch or haste at all...just charm a mob, send it into a room of mobs, root em all on top of yours and watch the hp melt

this is why HS is so good...your pets are constantly getting harmtouched which is DPS...without all the butt pucker from a ballistic missile of a pet eating your ass for dinner

I like to feel the power

I even sometimes sit close so I can watch the quad triple digit hits

But one thing some people forget about chanters is you are only as strong as the mobs can get

When I was leveling in Sol A I could charm a goblin and do whatever damage those could do. But a twinkled monk with a tranquil staff could (and would, I saw it) come in there and do much more damage than those goblins. Nothing could hold a candle not only to a twinked monk’s damage but also their ability to solo, killing stuff higher level with fungi tunic

Charmed chanter pets really only got nuts at the very end of the leveling process, before that twinked melees would shit all over my damage, and maybe still can

So when people say chanters are OP, they aren’t all that impressive to me while leveling, compared to twinked other chars that benefit directly from stats and weapon ratios. At the very end game yea, sure tho

[enjchanter]

is there anyone out here saying a class is op cuz its really good at fighting a level 22 goblin

[Toxigen]

I like to feel the power

I even sometimes sit close so I can watch the quad triple digit hits

But one thing some people forget about chanters is you are only as strong as the mobs can get

When I was leveling in Sol A I could charm a goblin and do whatever damage those could do. But a twinkled monk with a tranquil staff could (and would, I saw it) come in there and do much more damage than those goblins. Nothing could hold a candle not only to a twinked monk’s damage but also their ability to solo, killing stuff higher level with fungi tunic

Charmed chanter pets really only got nuts at the very end of the leveling process, before that twinked melees would shit all over my damage, and maybe still can

So when people say chanters are OP, they aren’t all that impressive to me while leveling, compared to twinked other chars that benefit directly from stats and weapon ratios. At the very end game yea, sure tho


I don't even know how to respond to that, lol.

You do you, though.

[unsunghero]

is there anyone out here saying a class is op cuz its really good at fighting a level 22 goblin

Back in the day some people used to claim enchanters were the most OP class in the game from 1-60 and I was like what?

[Alarria]

Once you get charm, I'd have to agree. Especially past 50.

[unsunghero]

Once you get charm, I'd have to agree. Especially past 50.

No way, not factoring in that most people making alts nowadays are twinking them

There is nothing that can hold a candle to a monk in a fungi with a tranquil staff just massacring stuff higher level than them with no breaks

I remember being in Sol A back in the day and seeing this monk wrecking through, his damage being spammed in one of my windows. And I thought “ah damn this must be some level 50+ farming the place”, then I’d check his level and he’d be like 5 levels lower than me, killing stuff many times faster. That’s when I realized the true power of twinkage

But charm is kinda mana intensive in the early and mid game, I’d put necros above us there in terms of power and leveling

Getting clarity is a big power breakpoint, then ToT is another, those have been my biggest 2. A chanter without mana is a soon to be dead chanter

[Vivitron]

No way, not factoring in that most people making alts nowadays are twinking them

There is nothing that can hold a candle to a monk in a fungi with a tranquil staff just massacring stuff higher level than them with no breaks

I remember being in Sol A back in the day and seeing this monk wrecking through, his damage being spammed in one of my windows. And I thought “ah damn this must be some level 50+ farming the place”, then I’d check his level and he’d be like 5 levels lower than me, killing stuff many times faster. That’s when I realized the true power of twinkage

But charm is kinda mana intensive in the early and mid game, I’d put necros above us there in terms of power and leveling

Getting clarity is a big power breakpoint, then ToT is another, those have been my biggest 2. A chanter without mana is a soon to be dead chanter

There's a big twink+era factor here. Twinked monks are ridiculous at this stage of the server. And now even an untwinked a monk probably has a 23/28 Wu's Quivering Staff in Sol A. But pre-kunark there's no regen tunic and that monk is weilding what, 8/36-10/34 ratio bare fists?

[enjchanter]

Okay so what xpac is the private server you play on in so that is a logical comment

[unsunghero]

There's a big twink+era factor here. Twinked monks are ridiculous at this stage of the server. And now even an untwinked a monk probably has a 23/28 Wu's Quivering Staff in Sol A. But pre-kunark there's no regen tunic and that monk is weilding what, 8/36-10/34 ratio bare fists?

Ya I meant only considering the ability to twink a char out, and by twink I mean actually spending some pp

If I can scrap together more than 40k pp playing super casually over a few years never camping any item, anyone can

[unsunghero]

Okay so what xpac is the private server you play on in so that is a logical comment

Not sure if you were referring to me, but you’d have to be playing on one where you could use a hotkey to increase a mob’s level after you charmed it to make it do more damage than it normally could

A chanter charming can only do as much damage as the mobs around him, the animation will even do more damage than these up until the 30’s or 40’s. A twinked melee like a monk can do much more damage than that

So sitting and watching 2 mobs miss miss miss miss hit hit miss miss miss etc for 2-5 minutes waiting for them to get low and break charm to kill both….is slower than a twinked monk coming in and blitzing both down separately

Note: this is in regards to leveling 1 to whenever mob damage gets more ridic

[Toxigen]

Not sure if you were referring to me, but you’d have to be playing on one where you could use a hotkey to increase a mob’s level after you charmed it to make it do more damage than it normally could

A chanter charming can only do as much damage as the mobs around him, the animation will even do more damage than these up until the 30’s or 40’s. A twinked melee like a monk can do much more damage than that

So sitting and watching 2 mobs miss miss miss miss hit hit miss miss miss etc for 2-5 minutes waiting for them to get low and break charm to kill both….is slower than a twinked monk coming in and blitzing both down separately

Note: this is in regards to leveling 1 to whenever mob damage gets more ridic

Your take on this is so strange. I've never heard any enchanter complain they aren't doing enough damage.

You realize when you send a pet into 2-3 mobs....you need to include the mobs DPS on your pet towards the total.

Even 1 on 1 its basically double if not slowing / haste.

[Alarria]

Yeah and it's also really strange because there's no way the animation does as much damage as it charmed monster in the 30s and 40s. I mean the higher level monsters in unrest hit for 50 to 60? And especially when you get into the 30s and higher there's no way a summoned animation can even come close to that

[unsunghero]

Yeah and it's also really strange because there's no way the animation does as much damage as it charmed monster in the 30s and 40s. I mean the higher level monsters in unrest hit for 50 to 60? And especially when you get into the 30s and higher there's no way a summoned animation can even come close to that

Yeah level 55 pet Zumaik’s max hit is like 55ish, if I recall. I use it sometimes for farming greens

However, its swing rate is considerably faster, even unbuffed. It also doesn’t miss nearly as often, its accuracy is really good. Mob accuracy is pretty shitty at all levels

You cannot go off max hit alone as the end all be all on dps, someone would have to actually parse it. I’m sure someone has and it would be interesting to see where the mob dps truly outpaces the animation

[unsunghero]

Your take on this is so strange. I've never heard any enchanter complain they aren't doing enough damage.

You realize when you send a pet into 2-3 mobs....you need to include the mobs DPS on your pet towards the total.

Even 1 on 1 its basically double if not slowing / haste.

I was saying enchanters at early and mid levels are not nearly as strong as a twinked melee when it comes to dps and solo speed

You can try to twink an enchanter, but it has zero effect on their overall dps

[Seducio]

Best way to twink a low/mid Enchanter is if it can pick up Gift of Pure Thought (c2) from a 59 or 60 ENC. The extra mana regen will really change what you are capable of.

[Toxigen]

You can try to twink an enchanter, but it has zero effect on their overall dps

I mean...thats not true.

Max cha from twink items = less charm breaks = more damage per hour

Not to mention having a ton more HP/AC so you can keep going after some bad charm breaks.

Throw in a Z heart and a Manna robe and you're good to go.

Your hyper-focus on what an enc pet is actually swinging for is incredibly near-sighted. I guarantee you I'd be able to level Toxigen (de-leveled to 5) faster than my monk to 50...and I'd completely blow it out of the water to 60. Sure, the monk would have a lead through the 30s but then I'd come roaring on by in the 40s for sure.

As soon as you said "i like to sit near the mob to see the damage" in another thread/post... I knew you were a lost cause.

[unsunghero]

I mean...thats not true.

Max cha from twink items = less charm breaks = more damage per hour

Not to mention having a ton more HP/AC so you can keep going after some bad charm breaks.

Throw in a Z heart and a Manna robe and you're good to go.

Your hyper-focus on what an enc pet is actually swinging for is incredibly near-sighted. I guarantee you I'd be able to level Toxigen (de-leveled to 5) faster than my monk to 50...and I'd completely blow it out of the water to 60. Sure, the monk would have a lead through the 30s but then I'd come roaring on by in the 40s for sure.

As soon as you said "i like to sit near the mob to see the damage" in another thread/post... I knew you were a lost cause.

It’s definitely not as much of a dps increase as melee twink items give. Cha matters far less for charm breaks than your level vs mob level and mob Mr. Cha is MOSTLY for avoiding critical lull resists last I heard….expert. Think you would sneak that one past? The dps difference between average cha and max cha is literally negligible. Not to mention you don’t need big twink money to get max cha. I just turned in bandit sashes and made enough pp for nearly max cha budget gear by level 15

Whatever cause you had, I never wanted to be a part of to begin with ;)

[unsunghero]

I was saying enchanters at early and mid levels are not nearly as strong as a twinked melee when it comes to dps and solo speed

the monk would have a lead through the 30s but then I'd come roaring on by in the 40s for sure

Probably debatable as to when it would “roar by” with your 150,000+ (on green) z-heart and what? 200k manna robe enchanter twink God

But regardless thanks for mostly agreeing with me on my quote above

[Seducio]

Your both kind of speaking past each other.

Unsung is right that a 'Twinked Monk' > 'Maxed Cha ENC' in 20s and 30s.

Tox is right that an ENC will crush any version of a monk in levels 40+ all the way to 60.

If it's about being the strongest character on the field, an Enchanter might not be able to claim it early on compared to Velious Twinked Monk. But give it time. The Enchanter will shine in the long run. Give me a naked 60 ENC and I'll do things that would make a ToV Epic Monk wish he rerolled.

[unsunghero]

Your both kind of speaking past each other.

Unsung is right that a 'Twinked Monk' > 'Maxed Cha ENC' in 20s and 30s.

Tox is right that an ENC will crush any version of a monk in levels 40+ all the way to 60.

If it's about being the strongest character on the field, an Enchanter might not be able to claim it early on compared to Velious Twinked Monk. But give it time. The Enchanter will shine in the long run. Give me a naked 60 ENC and I'll do things that would make a ToV Epic Monk wish he rerolled.

I already said enc was OP in the late and end game, numerous times in fact

Tox is just looking for reasons to flex and pick a fight. It’s whatever

[Jimjam]

1-20 is really fast on enc cos you can very cheaply twink the animation.

Interestingly it has terrible accuracy but amazing damage versus yellows (and even reds at points).

This means you can use your tiny dagger hitting for like 40 damage and just cast mez on the target to reduce the targets dps to near zero. The pet won’t break mez and target won’t ooc regen due to pet mainly missing but still put out decent dps as when it does hit it hits hard.

As you are frequently casting mez you’ll often be able to finish the mob for full xp.

[enjchanter]

Manna robe is fucking useless for enchanter

[PatChapp]

Manna robe is fucking useless for enchanter

It's kinda nice for small group harder content stuff where the enchanters are going to die sometimes. Couple clicks and c2 gets rolling faster, can robe down and the cleric acts like a mana battery. Just a bit less downtime after dieing
We use one for our royals shenanigans

[unsunghero]

If anyone can hook a brother up with a z-heart on green tho, that sounds fun

I can almost guarantee I won’t forget to give it back and instead have it rot when I lose interest in the game again

[Vivitron]

It's kinda nice for small group harder content stuff where the enchanters are going to die sometimes. Couple clicks and c2 gets rolling faster, can robe down and the cleric acts like a mana battery. Just a bit less downtime after dieing
We use one for our royals shenanigans

I like mine too. I don't think it would have helped me level much faster, but it's nice whenever low mana without a pet and rune.

[enjchanter]

It's kinda nice for small group harder content stuff where the enchanters are going to die sometimes. Couple clicks and c2 gets rolling faster, can robe down and the cleric acts like a mana battery. Just a bit less downtime after dieing
We use one for our royals shenanigans

Rez buff yourself with c2 and save the plat

Plus if the cleric is healing you your just wasting the clerics mana

Trust me, you'll be better off just sitting

[spoil]

I could definitely see the robe or manastone being useful. Get the chanter quickly back to charming and carrying the group rather than medding. That said I could find a better use for the plat to gear one of my alts.

[PatChapp]

Rez buff yourself with c2 and save the plat

Plus if the cleric is healing you your just wasting the clerics mana

Trust me, you'll be better off just sitting

Cleric mana isn't the thing holding us back here, we even duel and tot them to get back up and running faster.
We are on a constant timer when we do this,even saving 40 seconds can mean whether or not we need a full reset or not.

[enjchanter]

I have ft8 so maybe this is an ec gear problem

[unsunghero]

I have ft8 so maybe this is an ec gear problem

Holy cow I didn’t even know that high existed, I thought 5 was the max

That’s close to the flowing thought level gear I had playing my level 115 necro on retail EQ years ago

[Toxigen]

Holy cow I didn’t even know that high existed, I thought 5 was the max

That’s close to the flowing thought level gear I had playing my level 115 necro on retail EQ years ago

they stack

FT1 (vulak robe) + FT2 (KT boots) + FT5 (EoN) for enc

[enjchanter]

115 with 5 ft ?
Bro I have a level 79 enc with defiant gear with more than that I'm pretty sure

[unsunghero]

115 with 5 ft ?
Bro I have a level 79 enc with defiant gear with more than that I'm pretty sure

No, closer to 8+ FT. I wish I could hop back on and show him off, he was pretty decked on FV server but that was only bc I could buy raid gear with plat, nothing was no drop. He had all raid gear and most of his spells were the rank 3 raid version

I forget what the max FT was back then. I didn’t even realize it existed in classic until recently, I always thought it was something introduced in later expansions

[unsunghero]

i cant imagine doing this for XP as a solo enc lol


Today soloing with my typical pet on roids, keeping it away from me with guard here command

Charm breaks conveniently right as I run up after I give it the torch and having max hasted it

/try to 1.5s cast stun
Quad triple digit swing
/interrupted
Quad triple digit swing
Quad triple digit swing
/land stun -> mez

50% health, bez and rune 3 gone

Reapply bez rune, switch to rune 5, troll form to barely help regen

Re-charm, pick target -> initiate pet attack

Charm breaks again, mez enemy caster I was targeting as it’s about to land dot (thank God)

/try to time stun right as former pet on roids is closing to melee
Quad triple digit
/interrupted
Quad triple digit
Quad triple digit
/try stun again
Quad triple digit
/interrupted
Quad triple digit
/land stun -> mez

Both runes gone, I’m at 15% health

Welp, blur that ornery fucker and /wave goodbye to my torch. Keep it you fuckin resisting douche. Log out in anger

I need to start carrying some -Mr gear

[Infectious]

Today soloing with my typical pet on roids, keeping it away from me with guard here command

Charm breaks conveniently right as I run up after I give it the torch and having max hasted it

/try to 1.5s cast stun
Quad triple digit swing
/interrupted
Quad triple digit swing
Quad triple digit swing
/land stun -> mez

50% health, bez and rune 3 gone

Reapply bez rune, switch to rune 5, troll form to barely help regen

Re-charm, pick target -> initiate pet attack

Charm breaks again, mez enemy caster I was targeting as it’s about to land dot (thank God)

/try to time stun right as former pet on roids is closing to melee
Quad triple digit
/interrupted
Quad triple digit
Quad triple digit
/try stun again
Quad triple digit
/interrupted
Quad triple digit
/land stun -> mez

Both runes gone, I’m at 15% health

Welp, blur that ornery fucker and /wave goodbye to my torch. Keep it you fuckin resisting douche. Log out in anger

I need to start carrying some -Mr gear

Don't even bother with a torch unless your grouped. Charm, send pet into 3-4 mobs, paralyzing earth them and just cycle through npcs are pets until none are left.

[unsunghero]

Don't even bother with a torch unless your grouped. Charm, send pet into 3-4 mobs, paralyzing earth them and just cycle through npcs are pets until none are left.

Ya, def safer

I just need to get a GGR to be most effective at that method, for dem instant charm breaks

[unsunghero]

Just wondering tho, I could get adamantite band + rusty shoulders + book of eternals for a nice -30 MR

What would that + lev 57 spell Tashanianianan do? Like noticeably fewer charm breaks? I just worry about screwing up and having that stuff poof, especially the band….I am not made of money

[spoil]

Don't give your pet anything that you can't afford to lose. And prepare yourself to break charm and eat a death in a pinch.

[unsunghero]

Don't give your pet anything that you can't afford to lose. And prepare yourself to break charm and eat a death in a pinch.

Same advice as for gambling ;)

My problem is that I am romanticizing the idea that -30MR worth of gear means charm won’t ever break anymore…and I’m going to ultimately be let down

I still haven’t sprung for the adamantite band yet, gonna test out just -20 next session

[enjchanter]

Just play a different class

[unsunghero]

Just play a different class

Nah only ever been interested in chanter. The entire reason I signed up for p99 years ago was I had this dream where I was playing a chanter in EQ again, and it was an awesome dream

1 bubble from 58, where I really commit by scribing bedlam, biggest purchase I had done

[unsunghero]

That being said, if anyone wants to give me some sweet alt twink gear I could totally see myself trying that out as well

Let’s keep the options open a little bit

[unsunghero]

It's anecdotal, but was not impressed by first use of -20 worth of MR gear (was testing this out)

Experienced 4 breaks total in the process of killing about 7 mobs. 2 of the breaks came back to back. This is with 250cha, and the charmed mob to my knowledge not having any already high resists, also being the lowest possible level of blue, I believe max hit of like 124ish

[unsunghero]

^
After doing a few more hours using the -mr gear. It seems worthwhile to use. It only takes 2 seconds to strap on, and assuming you know the area and can always protect the pet, I noticed maybe a slight reduction in total breaks, although its hard to know if its placebo without a proper test

[Jimjam]

I think you're doing great. It's really fun to monitor your progress, see the advice come in, watch you learn and adapt :).

Thank you for continuing to update your story. I think you're gonna blast to 60!

Do you have any post 60 plans, or aren't you going to think that far ahead?

[PatChapp]

Same advice as for gambling ;)

My problem is that I am romanticizing the idea that -30MR worth of gear means charm won’t ever break anymore…and I’m going to ultimately be let down

I still haven’t sprung for the adamantite band yet, gonna test out just -20 next session
Just camp the bands yourself
It's a few hours and you'll still get XP from some of the frogs.
If your going to use pet gear,accept that your going to lose it now and then.
2 bands works,you can easily get -47mr on top of tash with the dagger from chardok.
Very worth it if your reusing a pet over and over,or holding one in a group.

[Infectious]

Just keep distance and use toggle target. Pet breaks, toggle back to last target(pet), mez and recharm. No clicking spells/targets needed.

And yes ggr speeds up killing so much without having to back pets up and break.

[Toxigen]

Just camp the bands yourself
It's a few hours and you'll still get XP from some of the frogs.
If your going to use pet gear,accept that your going to lose it now and then.
2 bands works,you can easily get -47mr on top of tash with the dagger from chardok.
Very worth it if your reusing a pet over and over,or holding one in a group.

hes afraid of dying and hasnt ventured into dungeons

as a level 58 enc

[Jimjam]

hes afraid of dying and hasnt ventured into dungeons

as a level 58 enc

Ngl those spiked black burrow pads would help biggly … if only they weren’t dropped in a dungeon :(

(Just yanking ur chain unsung, luv u really!)

[unsunghero]

Ngl those spiked black burrow pads would help biggly … if only they weren’t dropped in a dungeon :(

(Just yanking ur chain unsung, luv u really!)

Blackburrow at 57? That sounds doable. Maybe

I’m still a half bubble from 58 but once there (w/ bedlam) I plan to do a bit of a world tour. I wanna check out LGuk and The Hole, then maybe Howling Deaths

Then I probably will head to velious and start trying to grind out some thurg rep. Still scheming on trying to buy a thurg robe MQ. The guild I’m in raids, but I only get snippets of it from guild chat as it’s happening. I’m assuming everything is organized on discord but I’m not a big fan of discord

[unsunghero]

I will say it’s a bit easier for me to role-play the charmed pet using a torch rather than the book of eternals

When I used to use the torch, I could pretend the pet was my torch-bearer, like a King’s cup-bearer

But the book? Meh, I picture myself telling the pet “go beat them to death with your book. It is acceptable to yell “Cram study session!” and “educate yourself!” puns as you hit them”

Yea I’ll still keep using the book though until I fuck up and it poofs

Edit: I know it goes in offhand I still picture them beating them with it. They sure as shit aren’t reading it as they scrap

[Jimjam]

Bonk of Eternals

[Alarria]

I can't imagine getting an enchanter to 58 and not going into a dungeon..... How come? Fear of dying? I mean just curious

[Toxigen]

I can't imagine getting an enchanter to 58 and not going into a dungeon..... How come? Fear of dying? I mean just curious

combo of fear of dying compounded with not playing properly

[unsunghero]

I can't imagine getting an enchanter to 58 and not going into a dungeon..... How come? Fear of dying? I mean just curious

I’ve done runnyeye, sola, solb, city of mist, najena, and parts of chardok

Disregard Tox, sometimes his hyperbolic attempts to stay relevant in a game he doesn’t play anymore aren’t accurate

[unsunghero]

Ima put out a friendly PSA that the “proper” way to play this game is whatever the F I happen to find entertaining

If I want to be a melee werewolf enchanter or roleplay being an NPC muffin vendor and that’s what I find most entertaining then that’s what I’m going to do

I appreciate attempts to rank the best and worst ways to play video games but ultimately it comes down to the person and their tastes

[Alarria]

I guess, but there is a way of playing an enchanter "properly" if you're trying to get experience and make the most of your play time. If you want to be a melee enchanter, by all means go for it. I could drive my car using my feet or blindfolded or something but it doesn't mean it's a good idea and will probably cause frustration and not be a good use of time. To each their own though O_o

[unsunghero]

I guess, but there is a way of playing an enchanter "properly" if you're trying to get experience and make the most of your play time. If you want to be a melee enchanter, by all means go for it. I could drive my car using my feet or blindfolded or something but it doesn't mean it's a good idea and will probably cause frustration and not be a good use of time. To each their own though O_o

I don’t drive my car for entertainment, I drive it to get from A to B

I play video games for entertainment. Therefore the proper way to play them is what I personally find most entertaining. If the best way to make exp involved mashing 6 different buttons as fast as I can constantly, and I don’t happen to find that enjoyable, I’m not going to do it. Not saying this is the case lol, but it’s a far better example than driving a car

[unsunghero]

But I’m down to pop into the other thread asking for chill spots to exp as chanter and remind the guy that the best possible way to exp is to do high value targets at the bottom of dangerous dungeons, and asking for chill exp spots is a ridiculous way to play the game

And from there we can pop over into bard threads that are asking about alternatives to swarm kiting because they don’t want to swarm and remind them that swarming is the best possible way to exp and anything else is stupid and a waste of their time

But I will only do it if others want to as well

[Toxigen]

yikes someones a little salty they cant play enchanter properly

[unsunghero]

yikes someones a little salty they cant play enchanter properly

A variant of “you mad bro” troll attempt? Creative, not surprised that took an entire day to think up

Is the proper way to play the game to actually play the game or is it to do what you do which is not play at all but still post about it as if you do

Edit: I would actually be interested in a P99 guide from Tox. You can title it: “How to burn your bridges with every raid guild on the server then quit and continue posting about the game as if you play it”

[Alarria]

Jeez you're angry =\ It's strange seeing you criticize someone for posting when you literally have 10,000+ posts. So what if he doesn't currently play?

[unsunghero]

Jeez you're angry =\ It's strange seeing you criticize someone for posting when you literally have 10,000+ posts. So what if he doesn't currently play?

I’m not angry, just amazed at the mental gymnastics to not only think that there is a correct and incorrect way to get entertainment from playing video games, but also to ignore the literal THOUSANDS of other threads involving people mentioning playing a class in a “sub-optimal” (from a power gaming perspective) way here on these forums because they enjoy it

Yea I have a lotta posts, mostly memes and arguing about politics in the Off Topic forum ;)

[unsunghero]

Oh I forgot to answer about Tox not playing. The only reason that is relevant is Tox is a known troll who would actually probably still be playing, had he not gotten himself kicked out of and banned from every raid guild on the server, from what I heard. Out of some what I suppose is lingering resentment, he still hangs around to troll

And normally I quite enjoy his trolls on the OT forum

[enjchanter]

Being banned from raiding is a good thing

[Duik]

Best fun ive had in eq is taking 30+ mins to kite a hill giant on a druid wiff not enough mana so it was mana tick sit run repeat. Even zoned a couple times.
Prolly was a lvl too low/undergeared tbh. I think i was after a lambent stone, Bard armor quest thingy.

Could i have got xp more efficiently? Most certainly. Could i have just surfed a few vendors for the stone? Yes but back then i didnt even think of that.
Would i do it again? Fuck yeah.
If ya not doin it how ya want to and enjoying it, ya not gettin any xp.

[Toxigen]

Oh I forgot to answer about Tox not playing. The only reason that is relevant is Tox is a known troll who would actually probably still be playing, had he not gotten himself kicked out of and banned from every raid guild on the server, from what I heard. Out of some what I suppose is lingering resentment, he still hangs around to troll

And normally I quite enjoy his trolls on the OT forum

lol

[Troxx]

I’ll make a new guild and invite Toxigen to it. I anticipate many successful raids on Norrath’s panty drawers.

[Toxigen]

I’ll make a new guild and invite Toxigen to it. I anticipate many successful raids on Norrath’s panty drawers.

Come join us at Rivervale Fudge Factory - Quarm's first premier raiding guild.

(seriously tho shoot me a PM if ya want an invite Troxx)

Who wouldn't want to be part of the finest purveyors of fudge in all of Norrath? We'll be packin with the best of 'em.

[enjchanter]

Quarm when

[Troxx]

When does this Quarm server launch?

I’m kinda tempted but between my job, kids and other crap I don’t think I have much time for Eq these days.

I would love to see Luclin and PoP on my warrior but I think I’m fresh out fucks to give on games I’ve already played if I have to start over.

[Toxigen]

When does this Quarm server launch?

I’m kinda tempted but between my job, kids and other crap I don’t think I have much time for Eq these days.

I would love to see Luclin and PoP on my warrior but I think I’m fresh out fucks to give on games I’ve already played if I have to start over.

Well fortunately for you theres 9 months of each expansion and then PoP locked and one box only.

You can do it!

Server is expected early October but if Secrets isn't ready he'll delay it to make sure its as bug free as can be.

Interesting raid rules too. Come join the fun at RFF!

[PatChapp]

Il be there, il make a trash warrior in classic for maximum pain.
Enchanter once the planes drop

[sajbert]

Only reason to play on Quarm is to complain about beastlord pet instead.

[enjchanter]

The other reason is because velious sucks

[Troxx]

I love Velious. It’s one of the better expansions from a content lore and challenge standpoint. We’ve just had it for too long.

Luclin was a drag of a grind. The introduction of AAs was the best of this expansion. It gave you something productive to do once you were 60. Some of the AAs were so damn good that it was worth pausing leveling up. VT keys were a nightmare and mobs had a ton of HP. Ssra raids were fun. Vex Thall was just “kill the thing in the corner with a billion hp”.

Planes of Power, as far as expansions go, was the pinnacle of EQ imo. It was simply epic.

[Toxigen]

I love Velious. It’s one of the better expansions from a content lore and challenge standpoint. We’ve just had it for too long.

Luclin was a drag of a grind. The introduction of AAs was the best of this expansion. It gave you something productive to do once you were 60. Some of the AAs were so damn good that it was worth pausing leveling up. VT keys were a nightmare and mobs had a ton of HP. Ssra raids were fun. Vex Thall was just “kill the thing in the corner with a billion hp”.

Planes of Power, as far as expansions go, was the pinnacle of EQ imo. It was simply epic.

Sounds like you're coming to Quarm as a founding member of Rivervale Fudge Factory.

[Troxx]

I’m tempted. If I did I would play a warrior. Warriors get a lot less cumbersome with Luclin and PoP. WE aa increases proc rate by 50% (3 per minute primary hand vs 2) and there are some frankly nasty weapons in Ssra (along with PoT) with something like a double proc rate mod.

My goal was to have Darkblade of the Warlord and Edge of Eternity on my warrior before OoW came out, but I didn’t have a lot of time to commit to raiding in that time of my life to commit to it.

BoC having enraging blow would be nice as well. That’s a not classic thing I would frankly like to see here.

I dunno. I’ll probably make an account and get it set up when it launches. No clue what amount of time I would have to commit but it would be cool to level a naked warrior from scratch again. Here when I got around to making a warrior I had several 60s already and twinked heavily, blasting too quickly through all the fun stuff.