ELON MUSK vs. MARK ZUCKERBERG CAGE MATCH

[Botten]

the fact that you think you're being insulted speaks massive volumes with regard to your tenuous understanding of modern american political discourse

The irony.

Aren't you insulting?

[Origen]

Group X: This speech actually causes me harm. It must be stopped.
Group Y: I'm sorry my opinion bothers you.
Group X: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIn this reactionary script, Group X is the State of Florida and Group Y is all of the gays and trans people.

[Trexller]

The irony.

Aren't you insulting?

no, not at all

you have been brainwashed into believing that opposing viewpoints are violent words, and/or words of violence.

[aussenseiter]

In this reactionary script, Group X is the State of Florida and Group Y is all of the gays and trans people.

Is this because he banned underage drag shows?

Next thing you know they won't be able to see an R-rated movie. Tyranny.

[Botten]

Don't expect to reason with a far lefty. If you want to understand where this belief is coming from read Repressive Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse. This basically gives extreme lefties permission to say that they believe anything 'resembling' right-wing speech or having right-wing outcomes is allowed to be suppressed.

They actually believe that shit.

It's actually a European idea that has been adopted by far lefty Americans which is in opposition to the universal American value of the 1st Amendments Freedom of Speech that 100% of Americans enjoy.

It is a waahhhhh essay that can be summed up as "Tolerance for me, but not for thee."

It is another extreme piece. Making you think you are on the fringe or on the edge of politics in society.

Help help the left is repressing me in this day and age!

Instead of wait lets take this racist or destructive religious manifesto down or remove this hate speech on X to prevent a copy cat.

[Origen]

Is this because he banned underage drag shows?

Next thing you know they won't be able to see an R-rated movie. Tyranny.No, it is not because of bullshit that the right makes up to ram through their hateful censorship crap.

You're better than these clowns. Stop it.

[Botten]

no, not at all

you have been brainwashed into believing that opposing viewpoints are violent words, and/or words of violence.

Trexller: "Am I instulting? Nuh huh!?!"

Meanwhile Trexller has been banned 3 time :rolleyes:

[Botten]

No it means you haven't read it.

Sorry your goto book has problems.
Denial is the first step.

[aussenseiter]

No, it is not because of bullshit that the right makes up to ram through their hateful censorship crap.

You're better than these clowns. Stop it.

If you mean the school gay thing, it also restricts straight white college educated women. Which I'm highly in favor of.

[booter]

Don't expect to reason with a far lefty.

i'd like to ask in good faith, what positions do you hold on modern culture / policy that you believe make you a liberal? that set you apart from someone who would consider themselves a conservative?

you do claim it a lot in your posts, but that often is a sign of someone acting in bad faith/trolling, but i'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt since you have been respectul (to me) on the forums

with that said, i am a very "far lefty" but i actually know how to get along with people for the most part -- probably because i am confident in my beliefs, and i find it a waste of my limited free time to argue with strangers online, or even worse, try to change their minds (although occasionally i am guilty in getting caught up in some garbage)

[Homesteaded]

Allowing others to share opinions is dangerous. Silencing opinions is good.

[Origen]

If you mean the school gay thing, it also restricts straight white college educated women. Which I'm highly in favor of.Public school textbooks in Florida can't indicate the existence of white college educated women?

I suppose it could track. Educated women do generally despise reactionary politics, as they are inherently anti-female. Florida probably has the highest per capita population of incels, such as a certain fascist on this very forum.

[aussenseiter]

Public school textbooks in Florida can't indicate the existence of white college educated women?

I suppose it could track. Educated women do generally despise reactionary politics, as they are inherently anti-female. Florida probably has the highest per capita population of incels, such as a certain fascist on this very forum.

Curriculum is naturally exclusionary. You could equally complain that astrophysics and alchemy are not in the K-3 programming and be just as right.

[Origen]

Curriculum is naturally exclusionary. You could equally complain that astrophysics and alchemy are not in the K-3 programming and be just as right.Kind of a neutral argument to make, I am not claiming one is more "advanced" than the other. I am claiming that it's censorship, because "Hate Speech" Homeateaded is too dense to perceive his hypocrisy. Why include heterosexual people, but exclude homosexual people?

[aussenseiter]

Kind of a neutral argument to make, I am not claiming one is more "advanced" than the other. I am claiming that it's censorship, because "Hate Speech" Homeateaded is too dense to perceive his hypocrisy. Why include heterosexual people, but exclude homosexual people?

I think you're using a novel meaning of existence and am becoming confused.

[Seducio]

i'd like to ask in good faith, what positions do you hold on modern culture / policy that you believe make you a liberal? that set you apart from someone who would consider themselves a conservative?

you do claim it a lot in your posts, but that often is a sign of someone acting in bad faith/trolling, but i'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt since you have been respectul (to me) on the forums

with that said, i am a very "far lefty" but i actually know how to get along with people for the most part -- probably because i am confident in my beliefs, and i find it a waste of my limited free time to argue with strangers online, or even worse, try to change their minds (although occasionally i am guilty in getting caught up in some garbage)

I appreciate your curiosity. I admire those that display it regardless of political background. If I had to guess you might be old school far lefty compared to the modern Gen Y and Gen Z version, but could be wrong. It's not even clear the venn diagram of those two groups overlap.

The best way to indicate an answer to you is how I vote. Glad Biden won and have been happy with his performance if I'm a bit worried about his age. Went to public school my whole life as well as a public university for college during a particular era so that inculcated a version of history that could only be described as liberal.

Supporter of 2nd wave Feminism. Have some reservations of 3rd wave Feminism. Supporter of Women's right to choose at the national level. Saddened there isn't courage to make this codified into law. I want a world where women can do whatever they like without being told they can't because of their sex.

I doubt conservatives know the distinction between 2nd and 3rd wave feminism.

I'd say that's enough to answer your question without writing a whole selfie political profile. I have written enough on these boards consistently for my political beliefs to be honed in on if you pay attention. I have been attacked from every political stripe on these boards, which is what happens if you are near the liberal middle with the capacity for empathy who wants to maximize the usefulness of Govt to 80% or 90% of people instead of the special interests, anti-bipartisanship, and extreme elites on both sides.

I appreciate your ability to get along and suggest your curiosity is unique amongst those who I have met in real life that call themself far lefty. There has been a shift in my lifetime seemingly in the last 20-25 years where being a far lefty changed from having meant being pro-peace at one point and now it means post-modern ends justify the means anything goes to generate far left only outcomes.

To me these tactics are regressive and I call them out as such. I find those strategies acted out set back the movement of progress by turning those with empathy against it.

[Origen]

I think you're using a novel meaning of existence and am becoming confused.Maybe it was the wrong word. Gay and trans people definitely exist, and always will, despite the efforts of reactionary conservatives. Their efforts to censor them out of the minds of kids will probably have the opposite outcome. Many civilizations did way worse historically and they still yet exist, not that it makes censorship good.

I suspect their culture war bullshit is them overplaying their hand, but I probably won't live long enough to enjoy the vindication of being correct on this one.

[aussenseiter]

Maybe it was the wrong word. Gay and trans people definitely exist, and always will, despite the efforts of reactionary conservatives. Their efforts to censor them out of the minds of kids will probably have the opposite outcome. Many civilizations did way worse historically and they still yet exist, not that it makes censorship good.

I suspect their culture war bullshit is them overplaying their hand, but I probably won't live long enough to enjoy the vindication of being correct on this one.

Let's put a pin in that and circle back to hollering at Seducio. :o

which is what happens if you are near the liberal middle with the capacity for empathy who wants to maximize the usefulness of Govt to 80% or 90% of people instead of the special interests, anti-bipartisanship, and extreme elites on both sides.



What is special interests? Almost everyone says it's bad but I can't discern what it means.

[Origen]

He's like living proof of the concept I have been arguing all along but doesn't seem to be aware of it.

That is, assuming he is actually a "liberal" and not just some forums reactionary I butthurt with my antics.

[Botten]

Reading his vague view...

Lot of republicans were for Biden because he wasn't as crazy as Trump. Biden has done a number of things to help republicans too. -
Still No Fault here

Age is moot since both leading candidates have shown cognitive mental concerns.
Still No Fault here

This is concerning ... The so called 3rd wave of feminism believes in transfeminism. Transfeminism is a branch of feminism focused on transgender women and informed by transgender studies. Republicans are crazy against Trans. hmm

For women's rights at the national level makes it sound like you believe abortion should be decided by the state. Another Republican supported idea. (Unless you were worried about their right to vote)

Comment: Women deserve rights on a national and state level on the subject of voting and abortion.

Sure sounds like your politically leaning conservative to me. Especially on some extreme right topics.

[aussenseiter]

For women's rights at the national level makes it sound like you believe abortion should be decided by the state. Another Republican supported idea. (Unless you were worried about their right to vote)

Comment: Women deserve rights on a national and state level on the subject of voting and abortion.

Sure sounds like your politically leaning conservative to me. Especially on some extreme right topics.

Factcheck:

Supporter of Women's right to choose at the national level. Saddened there isn't courage to make this codified into law. I want a world where women can do whatever they like without being told they can't because of their sex.


Conclusion: Botten is illiterate.

[Seducio]

He's like living proof of the concept I have been arguing all along but doesn't seem to be aware of it.

That is, assuming he is actually a "liberal" and not just some forums reactionary I butthurt with my antics.

Read On Liberty, anti-semite.

You have zero credibility Origen.

[Seducio]

Quick message to booter.

Both of these 'far lefties' Origen and Botten seem willing to attack liberals.

They have taken illiberal positions.

[Seducio]

Let's put a pin in that and circle back to hollering at Seducio. :o



What is special interests? Almost everyone says it's bad but I can't discern what it means.

The actual people who write laws in America. Play dumb all you want on this, but you know who I mean. The monied interests of America, both outside of Govt and within Govt, from every political angle leaving most citizens with a lot to be desired. We are very far away from this quaint notion:

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[Seducio]

Yes.

[aussenseiter]

The actual people who write laws in America. Play dumb all you want on this, but you know who I mean. The monied interests of America, both outside of Govt and within Govt, from every political angle leaving most citizens with a lot to be desired. We are very far away from this quaint notion:

tyeJ55o3El0

Would you understand Planned Parenthood or AIPAC to be a special interest group?

I was lying, I'm pretty sure it just means lobbying.

Up here in WA we have the salmon lobby and the pocket gopher lobby and boy do they cause hell.

[Botten]

Factcheck:



Conclusion: Botten is illiterate.

Or he could answer that he is for women’s rights and abortion on the national and state level.

:shrug

[Seducio]

The monied interests of America, both outside of Govt and within Govt, from every political angle leaving most citizens with a lot to be desired.

We have a ticket based system to get the attention of Govt officials. Not explicitly called pay-for-play but functionally that is how it works. If you reach out to your congress person to write a law don't expect them to listen unless you have cash.

[aussenseiter]

Or he could answer that he is for women’s rights and abortion on the national and state level.

:shrug

If you're for it on the federal level, the state level is mooted. Federal supremacy!

Supporter of Women's right to choose at the national level. Saddened there isn't courage to make this codified into law. I want a world where women can do whatever they like without being told they can't because of their sex.


Go back to the Pradesh.

[Seducio]

Go back to the Pradesh.

You'd have to explain that one. No clue what you are referring to.

[aussenseiter]

You'd have to explain that one. No clue what you are referring to.

Not you.

https://media.tenor.com/hZWr6FAwGnAAAAAC/go-back-shadow.gif

[Seducio]

Would you understand Planned Parenthood or AIPAC to be a special interest group?

I was lying, I'm pretty sure it just means lobbying.

Up here in WA we have the salmon lobby and the pocket gopher lobby and boy do they cause hell.

Special Interest Lobbying. Seems innocent enough at first. Salmon fishing. Pocket Gopher. After a quarter of a millennia though of Govt churn, USA becoming the worlds largest super power, the basics of special interest lobbying can veeringly drift into a new way how of things get done. It's not clear the current machinations occurring at DC is what the constitution had in mind and instead is something that has evolved to become the norm.

It's not like this doesn't happen all the time in history. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I am not aware of a Govt that ever actually cared deeply about 80% to 90% of people. The whole Democracy is the least worst of all Govts concept. Politics is full of characters like Littlefinger from GoT.

[aussenseiter]

Special Interest Lobbying. Seems innocent enough at first. Salmon fishing. Pocket Gopher. After a quarter of a millennia though of Govt churn, USA becoming the worlds largest super power, the basics of special interest lobbying can veeringly drift into a new way how of things get done. It's not clear the current machinations occurring at DC is what the constitution had in mind and instead is something that has evolved to become the norm.

It's not like this doesn't happen all the time in history. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I am not aware of a Govt that ever actually cared deeply about 80% to 90% of people. The whole Democracy is the least worst of all Govts concept. Politics is full of characters like Littlefinger from GoT.

They want to knock down our hydroelectric dams for some stupid fish.

I love this place but we have some really bad ideas lately.

[Botten]

Took a test
:D

I best fit with…
Establishment Liberals
… along with 13% of the public

Great quiz
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/

[Origen]

Quick message to booter.

Both of these 'far lefties' Origen and Botten seem willing to attack liberals.

They have taken illiberal positions.This post reeks of desperation. Your bullshit needs to improve if your goal is driving a wedge between mainstream liberalism and progressivism. I'm pretty good at that sort of thing if you ever want any pointers. I would literally love to see the DNC and GOP break apart.

If you'd ever actually taken time to read any leftist content, you'd realize that leftists reserve most of their vitriol for liberals, not maga chuds. They see arguing with maga chuds as a waste of time, mostly.

[Seducio]

You have zero credibility, anti-semite.

[Origen]

Fake it 'till you make it. Let me know how I can help.

[Seducio]

You have zero credibility, anti-semite.

[aussenseiter]

This post reeks of desperation. Your bullshit needs to improve if your goal is driving a wedge between mainstream liberalism and progressivism. I'm pretty good at that sort of thing if you ever want any pointers. I would literally love to see the DNC and GOP break apart.

If you'd ever actually taken time to read any leftist content, you'd realize that leftists reserve most of their vitriol for liberals, not maga chuds. They see arguing with maga chuds as a waste of time, mostly.

Don't you think progressives are wimps though?

[Origen]

Don't you think progressives are wimps though?I think all pro-America politicians are wimps, but I also understand nobody will ever get elected without kissing the ring. They've been using the most effective propaganda in human history on us for decades.

[Homesteaded]

America was founded on Christian ideals. A melting pot isn’t the same as a bowl of legos and thumb tacks.

The culture has been errored by folks who coke here or have been here and don’t respect the rules and ideals. The system only works when you have buy in.

Origen and Botten could never buy into a system because they have major ego issues. They believe they know best, they believe they are the smartest person in the room with all the right answers.

They cannot accept a single social media platform bucking the ideas they champion. To them, that is hateful. They should not be engaged by anyone who has ideals, believes in anything outside of their skin. They are frauds and husks.

[Botten]

America was founded on Christian ideals.

Ha ha ha the United States was founded by individuals with a range of religious beliefs and principles, and its founding documents, such as the Constitution, do not establish any specific religion as the state religion. While some of the Founding Fathers were Christian, they also valued religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution explicitly protects freedom of religion. So, while Christian ideals may have influenced some aspects of American history and culture, the nation's foundation is based on principles of religious freedom and pluralism.

Christianity has slowed the progression of society. It really should be shunned and not used as a crutch to get over an addiction.

[unsunghero]

You don't believe in Peace. You want Free Palestine and as such have yet to say what Hamas did on Oct 7 is wrong. It's clear you are full of shit and you aren't intelligent enough or wise enough to see the depraved anti-semitic extreme fringe ideology that you champion.

Twitter supposedly used to allow ISIS and other terrorist propaganda on there, along with a lot of Pedo stuff

No wonder Leftists liked the old version ;)

[Blingy]

Ha ha ha the United States was founded by individuals with a range of religious beliefs and principles, and its founding documents, such as the Constitution, do not establish any specific religion as the state religion. While some of the Founding Fathers were Christian, they also valued religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution explicitly protects freedom of religion. So, while Christian ideals may have influenced some aspects of American history and culture, the nation's foundation is based on principles of religious freedom and pluralism.

Christianity has slowed the progression of society. It really should be shunned and not used as a crutch to get over an addiction.

The founding fathers also didn't anticipate how religions would come about and evolve into what we have today. Scientology, Aryan Nations, Secular Humanism and other similar extremists are religions; some with very people in positions of power.

[unsunghero]

Christianity has slowed the progression of society. It really should be shunned and not used as a crutch to get over an addiction.

I have a leftist friend who I like to watch his brain get tangled in knots over his support for Palestine

He’s a turbo atheist who dislikes Christianity but like a lot of leftists, borderline shills for Hamas, or at least tries to mansplain why they do what they do. When I challenge him on “boy it sure seems like Hamas was doing a shitty job governing for the last 15ish years they had control of Gaza. And boy it sure seems like they are a lot more oppressive than Christianity when it comes to human rights”

His response was “No things suck there because of the trade embargo by Israel”, and “sometimes a culture doesn’t mind being religiously oppressed”

I could let the first statement slide because I really don’t follow Gaza’s economics. But the second?

Lol I agree with it, it is possible to brainwash a culture into accepting religious oppression. And I wonder how many generations it would take for that to happen here if Christianity or some other major religion was allowed to get a hold of government. Probably not as many generations as one would think

So religious oppression is ok, as long as the people don’t realize what they are missing out on. That seems to be his position on it

[Botten]

Twitter supposedly used to allow ISIS and other terrorist propaganda on there, along with a lot of Pedo stuff

No wonder Leftists liked the old version ;)

I am pretty sure the old version of the blue bird forum is still similar or worse after Elon took over.

[aussenseiter]

Lol I agree with it, it is possible to brainwash a culture into accepting religious oppression. And I wonder how many generations it would take for that to happen here if Christianity or some other major religion was allowed to get a hold of government. Probably not as many generations as one would think

https://i.imgur.com/xzHQbUw.png

[unsunghero]

Is that the way we're going now?

https://i.imgur.com/xzHQbUw.png

Even if Christianity got a hold of government in a big way, I doubt it would ever come close to the oppression of women you see in Hamas or especially the Taliban. I just watched a mini-doc on the complete shit-show Afghanistan has become in the short time the Taliban took over after our withdrawal. All their promises to let women get an education, or even let a woman be out in public without a man, they immediately re-neged on. It’s a bit of a hellscape there now, both in terms of human rights and the economy

I know atheists picture Christians turning the country into the Handmaiden’s tale, but I think a more safe bet would be abortion would be much harder. Trans stuff would be much harder (which for adults I personally would fight against). I don’t think there would be an anti-gay crusade. At the worst they might try to remove gay marriage. I don’t think they would ever get to a point where gays are imprisoned or killed like in most Muslim majority countries

So yea there’d be some “oppression” but I don’t think it can hold a candle on Islam. Maybe only because they’ve had such a large head start in their countries, in terms of years of consistent theocracy ;)

[aussenseiter]

Even if Christianity got a hold of government in a big way, I doubt it would ever come close to the oppression of women you see in Hamas or especially the Taliban. I just watched a mini-doc on the complete shit-show Afghanistan has become in the short time the Taliban took over after our withdrawal. All their promises to let women get an education, or even let a woman be out in public without a man, they immediately re-neged on. It’s a bit of a hellscape there now, both in terms of human rights and the economy

I know atheists picture Christians turning the country into the Handmaiden’s tale, but I think a more safe bet would be abortion would be much harder. Trans stuff would be much harder (which for adults I personally would fight against). I don’t think there would be an anti-gay crusade. At the worst they might try to remove gay marriage. I don’t think they would ever get to a point where gays are imprisoned or killed like in most Muslim majority countries

So yea there’d be some “oppression” but I don’t think it can hold a candle on Islam. Maybe only because they’ve had such a large head start in their countries, in terms of years of consistent theocracy ;)

We've moved in the complete opposite direction within our lifetimes and probably even before then.

Anyone claiming to warn about the impending theocracy is a baloney man playing tricks.

Agree on trans adults. If gays can get a Prince Albert, why not?

[unsunghero]

I just watched a mini-doc on the complete shit-show Afghanistan has become in the short time the Taliban took over after our withdrawal. All their promises to let women get an education, or even let a woman be out in public without a man, they immediately re-neged on. It’s a bit of a hellscape there now, both in terms of human rights and the economy


This is the vid. All I could think of was my leftist friend’s words “sometimes a culture is ok with it”…….

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ddXHr8mhoeo

[Botten]

This is the vid. All I could think of was my leftist friend’s words “sometimes a culture is ok with it”…….


That was an excellent video.

Even inspiring with hope.

20 million in the population, famine, disease and fractures in power.

The plight of man is either rise up to survive or die trying.

Thanks for the video!

[Botten]

https://i.imgur.com/xzHQbUw.png

A lot of Patriots died at the command of those two.
Both Bushes went down as embarrassments. Even to most Republicans.

But at least the second Bush admitted his failure and thought Trump was horrible.

[unsunghero]

That was an excellent video.

Even inspiring with hope.

20 million in the population, famine, disease and fractures in power.

The plight of man is either rise up to survive or die trying.

Thanks for the video!

Yea you know me I like the dark corners of YouTube

And sometimes when I see how bad others have it, it makes me appreciate what I’ve got

Have to live in a state of gratitude :)

[Origen]

Even if Christianity got a hold of government in a big way, I doubt it would ever come close to the oppression of women you see in Hamas or especially the Taliban. I just watched a mini-doc on the complete shit-show Afghanistan has become in the short time the Taliban took over after our withdrawal. All their promises to let women get an education, or even let a woman be out in public without a man, they immediately re-neged on. It’s a bit of a hellscape there now, both in terms of human rights and the economy

I know atheists picture Christians turning the country into the Handmaiden’s tale, but I think a more safe bet would be abortion would be much harder. Trans stuff would be much harder (which for adults I personally would fight against). I don’t think there would be an anti-gay crusade. At the worst they might try to remove gay marriage. I don’t think they would ever get to a point where gays are imprisoned or killed like in most Muslim majority countries

So yea there’d be some “oppression” but I don’t think it can hold a candle on Islam. Maybe only because they’ve had such a large head start in their countries, in terms of years of consistent theocracy ;)Suddenly, the primitive mind of the reactionary conservative is FOR cultural relativism when he can use it as a bludgeon

[aussenseiter]

A lot of Patriots died at the command of those two.

They should be high on your list of favorites then.

[Seducio]

Suddenly, the primitive mind of the reactionary conservative is FOR cultural relativism when he can use it as a bludgeon

Where would you feel safer visiting with your wife, Israel or Gaza?

I don't buy your lazy predictable fringe extreme lefty BS. The gall of this illiberal anti-semite who thinks he has any moral high ground after failing to condemn rape. What a small minded weakling.

[unsunghero]

Suddenly, the primitive mind of the reactionary conservative is FOR cultural relativism when he can use it as a bludgeon

Suddenly the supporter of bathtub-meth-using 19yr old religious terrorist rapists cares about cultural relativism

Did you dress up as Jihadi John for Halloween btw?

[unsunghero]

I think all pro-America politicians are wimps, but I also understand nobody will ever get elected without kissing the ring

Yea being anti-your own country as a politician isn’t exactly a winning strategy. Did it take a while to come up with something profound like that?

So we can add politicians and people who make more money than you and poor/minority people who don’t vote the way you want to your hate list along with Christians. Sound about right?

Tell the world you’re bitter without telling the world you’re bitter

[Homesteaded]

Ha ha ha the United States was founded by individuals with a range of religious beliefs and principles, and its founding documents, such as the Constitution, do not establish any specific religion as the state religion. While some of the Founding Fathers were Christian, they also valued religious freedom and the separation of church and state. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution explicitly protects freedom of religion. So, while Christian ideals may have influenced some aspects of American history and culture, the nation's foundation is based on principles of religious freedom and pluralism.

Christianity has slowed the progression of society. It really should be shunned and not used as a crutch to get over an addiction.

Christian ideals. I know you love to parse words and pretend I said the US was founded by religious zealots. You have fun with that creating your own arguments out of thin air bit.

Explain why religion shouldn't be used to get over an addiction? You really do believe you're God. Sad stuff.

[Origen]

Suddenly the supporter of bathtub-meth-using 19yr old religious terrorist rapists cares about cultural relativism

Did you dress up as Jihadi John for Halloween btw?I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to the youtuber who put those thoughts in your head. You're parroting things you don't understand. Stick to bro science.

[Botten]

You really do believe you're God. Sad stuff.

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[aussenseiter]

Christianity has slowed the progression of society. It really should be shunned and not used as a crutch to get over an addiction.

From the people demanding empathy all the time.

[Botten]

From the people demanding empathy all the time.

Religion gets in the way.

https://i.redd.it/vieu6vm21mv51.jpg

[aussenseiter]

Religion gets in the way.

https://i.redd.it/vieu6vm21mv51.jpg

Well it reads as a heckle.

[Botten]

Well it reads as a heckle.

https://i.imgflip.com/11xgh6.jpg

https://www.denofgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/rick_and_morty_wearing_sunglasses.jpg

[Origen]

From the people demanding empathy all the time.Don't worry, those who have taught themselves to lack empathy ignore those of us who are spiritual and demand more, too.

[aussenseiter]

Don't worry, those who have taught themselves to lack empathy ignore those of us who are spiritual and demand more, too.

I've heard it's a disease I'm sure you get where I'm going with this.

[Origen]

I've heard it's a disease I'm sure you get where I'm going with this.https://i.imgur.com/iCeCFqh.jpeg

[unsunghero]

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to the youtuber who put those thoughts in your head. You're parroting things you don't understand. Stick to bro science.

It doesn’t take a youtuber to show how fundamentalist Islam is more oppressive to women and the LGBT than fundamentalist Christianity will ever be. But for extra clarification, just look at the vid Botten liked about the state of Afghanistan

Can’t wait for our resident blowhard Jihadi Rob to lecture us on how we can all be more tolerant to particular groups like the LGBT when he constantly simps for bathtub meth using terrorists who would kill them without a second thought

[Origen]

Jihad means holy struggle as I recall. The struggle against the world's most destructive economic and political system, capitalism, is holy. I like that. Jihadi Rob.

Anyways, free Palestine and oppose genocide.

[unsunghero]

Jihad means holy struggle as I recall. The struggle against the world's most destructive economic and political system, capitalism, is holy. I like that. Jihadi Rob.


Yea you can make those Hamas paratrooper heroes your profile pic

Every future lecture you want to give about human rights or the LGBT I’m going to remind everyone that you simp for religious fundamentalist terrorists

[Seducio]

Jihad means holy struggle as I recall. The struggle against the world's most destructive economic and political system, capitalism, is holy. I like that. Jihadi Rob.

Anyways, free Palestine and oppose genocide.

You have zero credibility, anti-semite.

Jihadi Rob? I supposed it's no surprise that the terrorist supporter of the Hamas attack that involved rape of women and abduction of children continues to reveal himself. Your values are gross.

You don't care about genocide. If you cared about genocide your number one enemy on Earth would be China. Quote me.

[unsunghero]

Some Leftists: “Free Palestine!”

“Oh you mean free them from religious oppression to where women are allowed to actually get an education or even dance in public, and the LGBT is allowed to simply exist without being murdered? That kind of free?”

Some Leftists:

[Origen]

Jihadi Rob says Free Palestine, lmao, you manboys just cannot process your futility.

[unsunghero]

Jihadi Rob says Free Palestine, lmao, you manboys just cannot process your futility.

Yea arguing for human rights in the face of religious oppression is futile. I’ll be sure to remind of you that on your next anti-Christian tirade

[Seducio]

Jihadi Rob says Free Palestine, lmao, you manboys just cannot process your futility.

I process your anti-semitism easily with every regressive act you display with your posts. You have zero credibility and zero moral high ground. You don't care about genocide. You don't care about rape. You don't care about child abduction.

Essentially a really dumb person who won't win because of a terrible value system anyone that actually cares about humans can see through.

[Origen]

Yea arguing for human rights in the face of religious oppression is futile. I’ll be sure to remind of you that on your next anti-Christian tirade"Next", heh. Okay. Don't hold your breath.

[unsunghero]

"Next", heh. Okay. Don't hold your breath.

Gather round guys, the religious fundamentalist terrorist supporter is going to lecture us about fascism

Ready for the lesson Jihadi Rob

[Botten]

I process your anti-semitism ...

The term "anti-Semitism" has historically referred to discrimination or prejudice against Jewish people, but it has been more broadly used to describe discrimination or prejudice against all Semitic people

Semitic is primarily a linguistic and cultural classification, not a racial or ethnic one. It encompasses a wide range of people, including Arabs, Assyrians, Phoenicians, and others in addition to Jewish people. Therefore, while Jewish people are considered Semitic, not all Semitic people are Jewish.

Hamas is a Palestinian political and military organization.

Palestinians are considered Semitic people. (Even Palestinians who support Hamas.)

So to say you are anti-semitism is to also say you are against the Palestinians (all of them).

And clearly that is not what Origen is.

Seducio, I think it is time to find a new buzz word you may or may not understand to vent your over animated frustration. If you want to continue to use the label... well... then...currently even if you are against Palestine or even Palestinians' who support Hamas then you also fit the term anti-Semite.

Just say' man...

[unsunghero]

What impresses me most about Hamas is their smarts

It was clearly such a great idea to do a 9/11/Pearl Harbor to the country with at least 10 times your firepower, not even factoring support

And look how well it’s turned out for everyone. Big brain plays by the 19yr old average age bathtub meth addict sociopath squad. Palestine is in such a better place with thousands dead and Israel flags flying over some of their buildings now (are they going to give those back?)

I know someone’s butt is puckered just waiting to say “You can say the same thing about what Israel has done in the past!” And I don’t know all the bad shit they’ve done. But if we are looking at this most recent choice by Hamas, they had to know there was going to be an extreme reaction

So looking at that logically, it has to be one of two things:

- they are too stupid (explained by their lack of education and very young age) to anticipate a catastrophic result to gaza

- they anticipated it and didn’t care because their interpretation of religion is that the civilians they drag into it to die all become martyrs. But prior to that the women have no rights and LGBT can’t even exist. So kind of a shit life imposed on some prior to martyrdom

Sorry I just can’t find any redeeming thing about terrorists like Hamas. Palestine civilians my heart goes out to, but Hamas put them in this position as much as Israel with their, again, Big Brain plays

[Seducio]

The term "anti-Semitism" has historically referred to discrimination or prejudice against Jewish people, but it has been more broadly used to describe discrimination or prejudice against all Semitic people

Semitic is primarily a linguistic and cultural classification, not a racial or ethnic one. It encompasses a wide range of people, including Arabs, Assyrians, Phoenicians, and others in addition to Jewish people. Therefore, while Jewish people are considered Semitic, not all Semitic people are Jewish.

Hamas is a Palestinian political and military organization.

Palestinians are considered Semitic people. (Even Palestinians who support Hamas.)

So to say you are anti-semitism is to also say you are against the Palestinians (all of them).

And clearly that is not what Origen is.

Seducio, I think it is time to find a new buzz word you may or may not understand to vent your over animated frustration. If you want to continue to use the label... well... then...currently even if you are against Palestine or even Palestinians' who support Hamas then you also fit the term anti-Semite.

Just say' man...

Play word games all you want. You don't care about the people of Gaza if you support Hamas. You don't think Israel has the right to defend itself.

By any definition of anti-semitism, you are an anti-semite, Botten.

Deal with it. Your fringe lefty extremist views have led you to support Free Palestine. That is a jihadist movement that allows rape of women and abduction of children. By posting propaganda for Free Palestine you are complicit in Hamas terrorrist actions.

[unsunghero]

You don't think Israel has the right to defend itself.


Not sure about the people here, but I'm fairly confident that people asking for a ceasefire don't even realize there was supposed to be a ceasefire prior to the Oct 7 massacre

One side not believing a cease fire would even be honored is just cah-razy!

[aussenseiter]

The term "anti-Semitism" has historically referred to discrimination or prejudice against Jewish people, but it has been more broadly used to describe discrimination or prejudice against all Semitic people

Semitic is primarily a linguistic and cultural classification, not a racial or ethnic one. It encompasses a wide range of people, including Arabs, Assyrians, Phoenicians, and others in addition to Jewish people. Therefore, while Jewish people are considered Semitic, not all Semitic people are Jewish.

Hamas is a Palestinian political and military organization.

Palestinians are considered Semitic people. (Even Palestinians who support Hamas.)

So to say you are anti-semitism is to also say you are against the Palestinians (all of them).

And clearly that is not what Origen is.

Seducio, I think it is time to find a new buzz word you may or may not understand to vent your over animated frustration. If you want to continue to use the label... well... then...currently even if you are against Palestine or even Palestinians' who support Hamas then you also fit the term anti-Semite.

Just say' man...

You're gonna be mad when you figure out where that word comes from.

[Seducio]

TLDR:

Origen and Botten are the most anti-semitic posters on the p99 forums currently for their support of the Oct 7 terrorist attacks that involved rape of women and child abduction.

Neither has the value system to call out Hamas for rape and child abduction. Let that sink in. Neither of these two people has any moral high ground on anything.

[unsunghero]

Hamas: Just give us the ceasefire that we broke in a cataclysmic way on Oct 7, and we promise that we'll honor it and stop doing terrorisms. We also promise to finally let women learn, hand to Jesus (snickering to terrorist buddy), we promise

[unsunghero]

Domestic terrorists:

https://i.ibb.co/PY3JWFk/IMG-3621.png (https://ibb.co/N3QfNtR)

Freedom Fighters:

https://i.ibb.co/yy2grMn/IMG-3622.jpg (https://ibb.co/xjZzNcS)

[Trexller]

The state of Israel has never gone out an attacked anyone without having been previously attacked by them

anyone pro-hamas is just an uneducated moron

[Botten]

You're gonna be mad when you figure out where that word comes from.

Not really. It was the 18th century and at the time. It resurfaced in the mid 1900s to your concern.

So yeah Seducio calling someone an Anti-Semite when they don’t support Palestinians of any sort make them ironically anti-Semite.

Congratulations Seducio!

Ironically those that support both groups and want peace aren’t. ;)

[Botten]

Play word games all you want.

No word games you are what you are calling others.

Are you going to tell me to read another piece of liberal literature that you don’t quite understand yourself. :rolleyes:

[Seducio]

Botten, you have zero credibility. You are an anti-semite for supporting the rape of women and abduction of children. Period.

I don't support terrorists such as Hamas that would rape of women and abduct children because condemning those actions is the hallmark of maturity in the west. Maturity is something you lack.

I have claimed many times there is a distinction between Hamas and the people of Gaza. You have been unable to make this distinction. Are you willing to condemn an organization that condones rape? If not you have zero credibility.

[aussenseiter]

Not really. It was the 18th century and at the time. It resurfaced in the mid 1900s to your concern.

So yeah Seducio calling someone an Anti-Semite when they don’t support Palestinians of any sort make them ironically anti-Semite.

Congratulations Seducio!

Ironically those that support both groups and want peace aren’t. ;)

Nah. Shem, Son of Noah.

You Christian you.

[Ooloo]

It's very important that we quibble over the real meaning of anti-semite because then we can be obtuse and avoid addressing people's points.

Instead of antisemitism let's just start saying "people who hate jews". Or "people who literally openly say they want to genocide the jewish people specifically, and openly celebrate attempts to". Is that easier?

It's hilarious in recent days seeing the "free palestine" protesters get all bent out of shape when people hang nazi flags next to their palestinian flags.

Grrrr! No our genocidal hatred of the jewish people is the good kind! Stop sullying our good name with that downright unfair nazi comparison!

[booter]

there are probably a LOT of people who don't know that Free Palestine is an actual political movement that opposes the existence of israel, and instead think it is just a trendy #hashtag that means they are supporting palestinians/civilians more broadly

in fact i'd wager most people think it is probably the latter

i don't claim to be making that judgment for anyone posting here

i blame instagram and tiktok

[Botten]

Nah. Shem, Son of Noah.

You Christian you.

Heh I did know this. But was thinking of the 1800s when it surfaced in literature.

Well done!

[Botten]

It's hilarious in recent days seeing the "free palestine" protesters get all bent out of shape when people hang nazi flags next to their palestinian flags.


Ooo what does it mean when alt-right groups use that flag? Or those that ram road cement blocks in front of the White House?

[booter]

https://i.imgur.com/SfDuQJt.png

[Ooloo]

there are probably a LOT of people who don't know that Free Palestine is an actual political movement that opposes the existence of israel, and instead think it is just a trendy #hashtag that means they are supporting palestinians/civilians more broadly

in fact i'd wager most people think it is probably the latter

i don't claim to be making that judgment for anyone posting here

i blame instagram and tiktok

I think you're probably 100% right about this.

So that's good- the western electorate broadly (and in this case the left specifically, sorry!) is really that gullible, oblivious and ignorant!

The current media narrative reminds me of a very apt old norm macdonald joke:

"It would be beyond horror if an islamic terrorist organization got ahold of a nuclear bomb, and exploded it over a major american city, killing millions of innocent people- because then the islamophobia would really get bad!"

[Ooloo]

Ooo what does it mean when alt-right groups use that flag? Or those that ram road cement blocks in front of the White House?

Yes I agree the five or so right wing nazis who still exist are bad. Who is having even a shred of difficulty admitting that?

Get back to me when AoC isn't both sides-ing decapitated babies you goofball.

[Botten]

Botten, you have zero credibility. You are an anti-semite for…

Literally you are what you are complaining about. Try supporting peace and you will not fit the actuate definition. ;)

[Seducio]

Literally you are what you are complaining about. Try supporting peace and you will not fit the actuate definition. ;)

Botten you do not support Peace. You support Free Palestine. You are Two-Faced.

Too immature to understand.

[Botten]

Botten you do not support Peace. You support Free Palestine. You are Two-Faced.

To immature to understand.

I support peace between Israeli and the Palestinians.

[Seducio]

Israel is at War with Hamas. Why? Do they, Israel, have the right to defend themself?

On Oct 7 a terrible event happened in Israel. Do you condemn the organization that sparked the sequence of events the world is tragically watching happen in Gaza/Israel currently?

Why do you support Hamas an organization that has never democratically had over 50% of Gazans support and has not allowed elections in Gaza since 2006 thereby ruling Gaza as a dictatorship?

What are your terms of Peace with a terrorist organization Hamas willing to rape its geographic neighbors citizens and abduct their young children?

What is Israel to do about it's 200 citizens that are currently hostage in Gaza?

This was a nation-state war-scale level attack from a neighboring jihadist organization that killed over 1400 Israelis. How is Israel to prevent the largest attack against Jews since WW2 from ever occurring again?

You don't want Peace Botten. This is above your pay grade. You are anti-semitic.

[Smoofers]

Israel is at War with Hamas. Why? Do they, Israel, have the right to defend themself?

On Oct 7 a terrible event happened in Israel. Do you condemn the organization that sparked the sequence of events the world is tragically watching happen in Gaza/Israel currently?

Why do you support Hamas an organization that has never democratically had over 50% of Gazans support and has not allowed elections in Gaza since 2006 thereby ruling Gaza as a dictatorship?

What are your terms of Peace with a terrorist organization Hamas willing to rape its geographic neighbors citizens and abduct their young children?

What is Israel to do about it's 200 citizens that are currently hostage in Gaza?

This was a nation-state war-scale level attack from a neighboring jihadist organization that killed over 1400 Israelis. How is Israel to prevent the largest attack against Jews since WW2 from ever occurring again?

You don't want Peace Botten. This is above your pay grade. You are anti-semitic.

Nooooo they literally raped and beheaded 40 gorillion babies. Don't ask us for proof though, it's too gruesome to show, but trust us on this one. What's that you say? Palestinians have no issue posting actual dead babies killed by us? Obviously photoshopped, you anti-semite.

[Botten]

Israel is at War with Hamas. Why? Do they, Israel, have the right to defend themself?

On Oct 7 a terrible event happened in Israel. Do you condemn the organization that sparked the sequence of events the world is tragically watching happen in Gaza/Israel currently?

Why do you support Hamas an organization that has never democratically had over 50% of Gazans support and has not allowed elections in Gaza since 2006 thereby ruling Gaza as a dictatorship?

What are your terms of Peace with a terrorist organization Hamas willing to rape its geographic neighbors citizens and abduct their young children?

What is Israel to do about it's 200 citizens that are currently hostage in Gaza?

This was a nation-state war-scale level attack from a neighboring jihadist organization that killed over 1400 Israelis. How is Israel to prevent the largest attack against Jews since WW2 from ever occurring again?

You don't want Peace Botten. This is above your pay grade. You are anti-semitic.

Anyone who doesn’t say the conflict between the two side is difficult is not respecting the hardships both sides have had to deal with in the past.

My terms of peace starts with talking, showing humility on both sides and a slow (very slow) blending of both groups.

The issue is not just local anymore.

Think about it. If Israel pushes supporting members of Hama into attacking from Egypt what is the next step then? Egypt is friendly towards Israel now but this can easily change.

Members of Egypt’s population already helps Hamas now. Is it too far of a stretch that more of this type of support could happen after the anguish the Palestinians have received.

I know Egypt is part of the NPT. But I also know they have some of the most advanced nuclear technology of most Arab nations. I also know their scientists boast they have been trained in the extraction of plutonium since the 1980s.

Some say Iran’s nuclear technology isn’t anything to be worried about but they have enough refined uranium for a dirty bomb.

And it is suspected Russia had some influence in this war. By stoking the flames of war instead of peace how much will Ukraine suffer? If Russia has seen favorable results will they secretly stoke the flames further?

Turkey is poised but for how long?

Hisbah has 100s of thousands of fighters and a lot more rockets the Iron Dome can not easily handle.

Kuwait deal of a life time has again been trashed over Israel.

And if Iran sees other Arab nations joining to attack Israel they are going to jump in.

Americans are sick of fighting in other countries. If enough of the world gets involved we don’t have the planes or the ground troops to support a potential new world war.

Lastly, the Jews have faced a terrible event in the past that killed most of their population. It is only considerate if they now think of another group about to suffer something similar.

Everyday this war continues runs the risk for problems.

So yes, I am for peace and so should others.

[Seducio]

Nooooo they literally raped and beheaded 40 gorillion babies. Don't ask us for proof though, it's too gruesome to show, but trust us on this one. What's that you say? Palestinians have no issue posting actual dead babies killed by us? Obviously photoshopped, you anti-semite.

So you support Hamas as well? Are you capable of condemning the organization Hamas that caused this mess with a terrorist attack on October 7? If not you have zero moral standing on this matter.

If you haven't seen the pictures that Hamas took themselves and posted all over the internet on October 7, go look them up. They are still up all over the internet. If you think they were too gruesome to be shown that is only mainstream media and indicates that you don't have good internet skills.

Israel has a right to defend itself in the same way that America does if USA was attacked. Israel is engaged in western style military engagement. Hamas condoned a terrorist attack involving rape and child abduction. Facts are facts.

You don't care about the people of Gaza unless you are capable of condemning Hamas. You are anti-semitic against both the people of Israel and the people of Gaza.

[Seducio]

Anyone who doesn’t say the conflict between the two side is difficult is not respecting the hardships both sides have had to deal with in the past.

My terms of peace starts with talking, showing humility on both sides and a slow (very slow) blending of both groups.

The issue is not just local anymore.

Think about it. If Israel pushes supporting members of Hama into attacking from Egypt what is the next step then? Egypt is friendly towards Israel now but this can easily change.

Members of Egypt’s population already helps Hamas now. Is it too far of a stretch that more of this type of support could happen after the anguish the Palestinians have received.

I know Egypt is part of the NPT. But I also know they have some of the most advanced nuclear technology of most Arab nations. I also know their scientists boast they have been trained in the extraction of plutonium since the 1980s.

Some say Iran’s nuclear technology isn’t anything to be worried about but they have enough refined uranium for a dirty bomb.

And it is suspected Russia had some influence in this war. By stoking the flames of war instead of peace how much will Ukraine suffer? If Russia has seen favorable results will they secretly stoke the flames further?

Turkey is poised but for how long?

Hisbah has 100s of thousands of fighters and a lot more rockets the Iron Dome can not easily handle.

Kuwait deal of a life time has again been trashed over Israel.

And if Iran sees other Arab nations joining to attack Israel they are going to jump in.

American are sick of fight in other countries. If enough of the world gets involved we don’t have the planes or the ground troops to support a potential new world war.

Lastly, the Jews have faced a terrible event in the past that killed most of their population. It is only considerate if they now think of another group about to suffer something similar.

Everyday this war continues runs the risk for problems.

So yes, I am for peace and so should others.

You don't understand USA military capabilities. You don't understand Israel's military capabilities. You don't understand the lack of cohesion that exists in the Arab world. You don't understand Saudi's desire to resume normal relations in the Middle East to go ahead with prior deal with Israel.

This is way out of your league of understanding. Stand back and watch history happen. History you are on the wrong side of.

[aussenseiter]

And if Iran sees other Arab nations joining to attack Israel they are going to jump in.



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[unsunghero]

'Civilian hospitals organized to give care to the wounded and sick, the infirm and maternity cases, may in no circumstances be the object of attack, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict.

States which are Parties to a conflict shall provide all civilian hospitals with certificates showing that they are civilian hospitals and that the buildings which they occupy are not used for any purpose which would deprive these hospitals of protection in accordance with Article 19"

https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/geneva-convention-relative-protection-civilian-persons-time-war


Seems like the Geneva Convention is against using Hospitals as military bases? I wonder how they feel about using schools or mosques as military bases?

[unsunghero]

Nooooo they literally raped and beheaded 40 gorillion babies. Don't ask us for proof though, it's too gruesome to show, but trust us on this one. What's that you say? Palestinians have no issue posting actual dead babies killed by us? Obviously photoshopped, you anti-semite.

Alex Jones claimed the Sandy Hook shooting was fake because there were no pics of dead kids. Look how that turned out for him

I'm assuming Israel has shown the proof to the parties that matter (like allied government), and Joe Schmo in his computer chair might not be one of those

[unsunghero]

^
What has Hamas not produced? A single pic of a dead combatant. Every dead is a civilian, isn't that interesting

[Botten]

<Wrong video

A Col Douglas Macgregor has already spoken to this fact. I am open to hear why you think it is incorrect.

[Botten]

You don't understand USA military capabilities. You don't understand Israel's military capabilities. You don't understand the lack of cohesion that exists in the Arab world. You don't understand Saudi's desire to resume normal relations in the Middle East to go ahead with prior deal with Israel.

This is way out of your league of understanding. Stand back and watch history happen. History you are on the wrong side of.

Hey you are welcome to your view.

But in the end does it matter what you or I write on this forum? It doesn't.

So hastily getting animated is just going to result in mod intervention yet again.

Save the M'Murica for the conservatives. Thought you were at least center left.
Talk more.

[Smoofers]

So you support Hamas as well? Are you capable of condemning the organization Hamas that caused this mess with a terrorist attack on October 7? If not you have zero moral standing on this matter.

If you haven't seen the pictures that Hamas took themselves and posted all over the internet on October 7, go look them up. They are still up all over the internet. If you think they were too gruesome to be shown that is only mainstream media and indicates that you don't have good internet skills.

Israel has a right to defend itself in the same way that America does if USA was attacked. Israel is engaged in western style military engagement. Hamas condoned a terrorist attack involving rape and child abduction. Facts are facts.

You don't care about the people of Gaza unless you are capable of condemning Hamas. You are anti-semitic against both the people of Israel and the people of Gaza.

Nooooo you can't just stop Israel from bombing 3,700 children because Hamas did them a meanie. Israel totally deserves that land that they invaded and stole.

[unsunghero]

Nooooo you can't just stop Israel from bombing 3,700 children because Hamas did them a meanie. Israel totally deserves that land that they invaded and stole.

Yea let's just go back to the ceasefire that Hamas deliberately broke on Oct 7, they pinky swore that they'd stop doing a terrorism for a few months now, maybe

They also pinky swore to finally let women learn things and not kill all gay people

[Smoofers]

Alex Jones claimed the Sandy Hook shooting was fake because there were no pics of dead kids. Look how that turned out for him

I'm assuming Israel has shown the proof to the parties that matter (like allied government), and Joe Schmo in his computer chair might not be one of those

Noooo you can't just ask for proof because look at what happened to this other guy that asked for proof. What's that? You say proof is still not shown? Hello, FBI?

[unsunghero]

Noooo you can't just ask for proof because look at what happened to this other guy that asked for proof. What's that? You say proof is still not shown? Hello, FBI?

I'm sure there is proof if you want to dig enough for it. I watched the vids of people getting mowed down with machine guns and wish I hadn't

But you seem to be the type to enjoy that kinda stuff so have at it

[unsunghero]

There's also vids of interviews from the now-half-crazy traumatized Israeli first responders who describe seeing burned up kids tied together in homes

But I'm sure those are just Crisis Actors, and smoofers needs his snuff porn

[Seducio]

Hey you are welcome to your view.

But in the end does it matter what you or I write on this forum? It doesn't.

So hastily getting animated is just going to result in mod intervention yet again.

Save the M'Murica for the conservatives. Thought you were at least center left.
Talk more.

Biden supports Israel. I support our ally. This isn't hard.

You don't support Peace if you support Free Palestine, a jihadist movement.

Simply Two-Faced.

[Botten]

^
What has Hamas not produced? A single pic of a dead combatant. Every dead is a civilian, isn't that interesting

I would agree that there are hideous pictures and videos from both sides coming to the world.

The world is already responding. A ground war in Gaza could take years; acknowledge by even Israel.

Each side are getting their supports on a world wide level.

This shouldn't be escalating. Sides could result in a much bigger war.

We have fought decades of wars in other countries we don't need more.

[Botten]

Biden supports Israel. I support our ally. This isn't hard.

You don't support Peace if you support Free Palestine, a jihadist movement.

Simply Two-Faced.

Good thing I keep saying Peace then.

Bad thing you keep ignoring it.

Am I right?

[Seducio]

I would agree that there are hideous pictures and videos from both sides coming to the world.

The world is already responding. A ground war in Gaza could take years; acknowledge by even Israel.

Each side are getting their supports on a world wide level.

This shouldn't be escalating. Sides could result in a much bigger war.

We have fought decades of wars in other countries we don't need more.

Would you condemn rape if conducting by Israel against Hamas?

[aussenseiter]

A Col Douglas Macgregor has already spoken to this fact. I am open to hear why you think it is incorrect.

They aren't Arabs and don't get along with a lot of Arabs.

[unsunghero]

I would agree that there are hideous pictures and videos from both sides coming to the world.

The world is already responding. A ground war in Gaza could take years; acknowledge by even Israel.

Each side are getting their supports on a world wide level.

This shouldn't be escalating. Sides could result in a much bigger war.

We have fought decades of wars in other countries we don't need more.

I agree it shouldn't be escalating. My faith in humanity on a whole will be much restored if the international community asks Hamas to surrender, whether they do or not

That is the best outcome. And I find it absurd that literally no one from the international community has even thought to ask that the oppressive as fuck, fundamentalist religious terrorist government that BROKE the ceasefire in a huge way on Oct 7 and has less of a chance to win than Israel, to actually surrender

[Seducio]

Good thing I keep saying Peace then.

Bad thing you keep ignoring it.

Am I right?

No you keep saying this is two sided situation ignoring what Hamas did Oct 7, you anti-semite.

[Smoofers]

I'm sure there is proof if you want to dig enough for it. I watched the vids of people getting mowed down with machine guns and wish I hadn't

But you seem to be the type to enjoy that kinda stuff so have at it

Trust me, there's proof!!! 1! If you can't see it you're just not looking hard enuf

[unsunghero]

Or even from literally ANYONE from the international community, to ask Hamas to stop violating the Geneva Convention by deliberately using Hospitals, Mosques, and Schools as military bases. Because apparently making them a target is violation too, no matter which side does it

But no one has even bothered to ask that yet. Just ask it, they'll say go fuck yourselves, but at least I'll feel a little bit better about mankind as a whole because someone bothered to ask

[unsunghero]

Trust me, there's proof!!! 1! If you can't see it you're just not looking hard enuf

Sorry I'm not going to dig around to find your proof

But you seem to be jonesing bad, so if you go to the youtube channel Disturbed Reality, they describe some ISIS beheading videos in detail. Might be good for a fap

Remember, because Smoofers didn't get his snuff porn means there's zero chance that Israel presented proof to their allies


edit: not to mention me even linking graphic pics or vids of dead kids would result in a ban from here, but thanks for the middle school attempt at bait

[Seducio]

Trust me, there's proof!!! 1! If you can't see it you're just not looking hard enuf

You must suck at using the internet if you can't find what Hamas posted.

[unsunghero]

You must suck at using the internet if you can't find what Hamas posted.

He wants to see dead Israel kids

You ate a ban for posting vids of shot up israel civilians, I would not recommend obliging

[Botten]

No you keep saying this is two sided situation ignoring what Hamas did Oct 7, you anti-semite.

Are you seeing what is happen now?

Or in the past?

Again, anyone who doesn’t say the conflict between the two side is difficult is not respecting the hardships both sides have had to deal with in the past.

[Seducio]

Are you seeing what is happen now?

Or in the past?

Again, anyone who doesn’t say the conflict between the two side is difficult is not respecting the hardships both sides have had to deal with in the past.

Israel declared War in response to a nation-state terrorist attack from Hamas in Gaza. It's not clear to me you understand what that means since you simultaneously say you support Peace and also say you support Free Palestine, which conducts jihad and condones rape and child abduction.

What is Israel supposed to do about the 200 citizens held hostage in Gaza?

[Lune]

What is Israel supposed to do about the 200 citizens held hostage in Gaza?

MORE DAKKA

[Seducio]

Negotiating with terrorists encourages future terrorism. Sadly ya it's a western style response that involves a 'Hamas is done' because it went too far model. The West just is used to being the player doing it rather than the observer watching from the sidelines.

[unsunghero]

What is Israel supposed to do about the 200 citizens held hostage in Gaza?

They are probably already dead or soon will be

Those tunnels require ventilation and that requires fuel

This is the entire reason Israel is refusing to provide fuel aid to Gaza, because it will be appropriated to keep the tunnels going. Without it, the tunnels will become uninhabitable and will force the Hamas soldiers out into the sunlight to fight and die like men and not sewer rats

[Botten]

Israel declared War in response to a nation-state terrorist attack from Hamas in Gaza. It's not clear to me you understand what that means since you simultaneously say you support Peace and also say you support Free Palestine, which conducts jihad is condones rape and child abduction.

What is Israel supposed to do about the 200 citizens held hostage in Gaza?

A dialogue for starters. Other hostages have been released in past with issues between the two.

Maybe even small steps like a humanitarian pause.

I am for peace and unsunghero is right. Rather than get fired up on the elf forum. Lets also take a pause from this. I will go first.

And negotiating worked for the IRA and Briton.

[Seducio]

Hamas has called for the destruction of Israel since it's inception in 1988. This is the same message that Free Palestine calls for. You called for Free Palestine Botten. The destruction of Israel. That is not peace.

Israel provides a better quality of life for the nearly 1.8 million Israeli Arabs than the quality of life lived by Arabs in - Gaza, West Bank, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan - all of the neighboring Arab countries.

If you cared about Gazans would you want them to have a quality of life similar to what the Israeli Arabs currently have or do you want all the Israelis to have a quality of life similar to what is currently found in Gaza?

By supporting Free Palestine and posting Free Palestine propaganda you have indicated you don't want Peace. You want to deny Israel's right to defend itself. This makes you an anti-semite Botten.

[unsunghero]

Hamas has called for the destruction of Israel since it's inception in 1988. This is the same message that Free Palestine calls for. You called for Free Palestine Botten. The destruction of Israel. That is not peace.

Israel provides a better quality of life for the nearly 1.8 million Israeli Arabs than the quality of life lived by Arabs in - Gaza, West Bank, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan - all of the neighboring Arab countries.

If you cared about Gazans would you want them to have a quality of life similar to what the Israeli Arabs currently have or do you want all the Israelis to have a quality of life similar to what is currently found in Gaza?

By supporting Free Palestine and posting Free Palestine propaganda you have indicated you don't want Peace. You want to deny Israel's right to defend itself. This makes you an anti-semite Botten.

No sane person should want the destruction of Israel IMO, because I would hope sane people believe in at least a strong chance that Israel WILL utilize the Samson Option when facing a threat to their entire country population

"Jerusalem Post journalist Gil Ronen saw this poem as referring to the Samson Option, which he described as the strategy of using Israel's nuclear weapons, "taking out Israel's enemies with it, possibly causing irreparable damage to the entire world.""

They'd launch their nukes at their enemies as the last thing they do

[unsunghero]

^
And I don’t pretend to understand Israel, but when I think about whether they would utilize the Samson Option, or if the entire thing is a bluff, I think of this quote:

[Homesteaded]

It’s pretty clear that Botten is using a LLM. His posts read like a form letter.

[unsunghero]

Speaking of nukes, if the US continues to piss off Arab countries like Iran, the easiest way to get a nuke (or some other large bomb if they don’t have nukes yet), into the country is up the southern border

Please don’t detonate it in AZ…

[Seducio]

Imagine if during 9/11 nearly 51,000 Americans died, not the 3000 people that actually died. Imagine if it wasn't Osama bin Laden who did it to US but the dictator Govt of a country of 2.2 million people who had a military force of 50,000 people. How would the USA respond?

People that compare 9/11 to Oct 7th get the comparison of deaths compared to population wrong by a factor of 16. That's the level of damage Israel just faced. 1400 Israelis dying out of Israel's 9.2 million population is equal to 51,000 Americans dying out of USA's 335 million population. Israel faced an attack that is equal to an attack as if 51,000 Americans were killed.

[aussenseiter]

Imagine if during 9/11 nearly 51,000 Americans died, not the 3000 people that actually died. Imagine if it wasn't Osama bin Laden who did it to US but the dictator Govt of a country of 2.2 million people who had a military force of 50,000 people. How would the USA respond?

People that compare 9/11 to Oct 7th get the comparison of deaths compared to population wrong by a factor of 16. That's the level of damage Israel just faced. 1400 Israelis dying out of Israel's 9.2 million population is equal to 51,000 Americans dying out of USA's 335 million population. Israel faced an attack that is equal to an attack as if 51,000 Americans were killed.

Some animals are more equal than others.

[Origen]

All I know is that if Palestine was free and America wasn't yet again supporting genocide all of these dumb reactionaries would just find something else to whine about

[Homesteaded]

The Palestine / Israel battle is really quite simple.

Palestine as a county is run by terrorists. This does not mean all Palestines are terrorists. Terrorists use civilians as shields. The Free Palestine has merit if you mean Free Palestine from terror lords. Now if you mean Israel, you’re wrong. So basically, bootstraps, pull-ups.

[Origen]

American hegemony is basically the same as the terrorism it opposes. The bias displayed by the American right is meant to perpetuate the existing power structure, that's why it has never once solved a single problem it gripes about. It's profitable to have millions of rubes propagate hatred

[Seducio]

Origen you support a group that condones rape. See the Me Too movement. You support a group that condones child abduction. See the horrors of human trafficking.

You have zero credibility Origen.

Israeli Arabs live a better quality of life in Israel because of its brand of western cosmopolitanism right in the middle east as a parliamentary democracy. Outside of hostages there has not been a single Israeli living inside of Gaza since 2006.

You want people to suffer. Why? Who hurt you?

[Lune]

Imagine if during 9/11 nearly 51,000 Americans died, not the 3000 people that actually died. Imagine if it wasn't Osama bin Laden who did it to US but the dictator Govt of a country of 2.2 million people who had a military force of 50,000 people. How would the USA respond?

People that compare 9/11 to Oct 7th get the comparison of deaths compared to population wrong by a factor of 16. That's the level of damage Israel just faced. 1400 Israelis dying out of Israel's 9.2 million population is equal to 51,000 Americans dying out of USA's 335 million population. Israel faced an attack that is equal to an attack as if 51,000 Americans were killed.

Also you get immediate, graphic, high-definition images and videos of horrifically malevolent torture & mutilation of those 51,000 Americans... rather than blurry, unfocused, or distant pictures/videos of Americans falling out of the tower, and sanitary enough for the 5:00 news that most 2001'ers were still relying on for information.

But I think the problem with a lot of these peoples' worldview is they view America as an evil monolithic oppressor, so they couldn't give two shits if it gets attacked, as long as the person attacking is a brown muslim and not an orange retard. Without realizing that the US is definitely history's gentlest hegemon, both in absolute and relative terms.

[Seducio]

Some animals are more equal than others.

During war it is the job of the military to destroy the capacity of the other team to fight.

If Americans lost 51,000 civilian people in an attack from a neighbor that included rape and child abduction would Americans be ok with attacking a city-state nation of 2.2 million people hiding 50,000 terrorist members each one an open target of war?

It's interesting for Americans to be observers in a war that we are not conducting.

[aussenseiter]

During war it is the job of the military to destroy the capacity of the other team to fight.

If Americans lost 51,000 civilian people in an attack from a neighbor that included rape and child abduction would Americans be ok with attacking a city-state nation of 2.2 million people hiding 50,000 terrorist members each one an open target of war?

It's interesting for Americans to be observers in a war that we are not conducting.

It implies fewer Jews are worth more than more Americans.

I'm pro-Israel but that line of thought is cuckoo bananas. (https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/501bbc2d-a0a4-44d4-8566-f7077dec2ca3)

[Seducio]

It's not how Americans think but rather the shift in what Israelis think in response to what happened to Israel on Oct 7.

I was making the comparison because people, including myself, have said that Oct 7 was Israel's 9/11. I'm saying Oct 7th is actually 16x worse than 9/11 on a per capita basis.

[aussenseiter]

It's not how Americans think but rather the shift in what Israelis think in response to what happened to Israel on Oct 7.

I was making the comparison because people, including myself, have said that Oct 7 was Israel's 9/11. I'm saying Oct 7th is actually 16x worse than 9/11 on a per capita basis.

Cut it out with the 16x crap. Our lives are worth just as much as the life of any Jew or anyone else really.

[Seducio]

Americans don't get the scale of the attack as it hasn't been presented on a map to show what'd it look like.

In Pearl Harbor about 2400 people died.

We haven't faced the scale of war on our own soil that Israel just faced since the Civil War.

That's what I'm saying.

[Seducio]

Cut it out with the 16x crap. Our lives are worth just as much as the life of any Jew or anyone else really.

You aren't getting it from the perspective of Israel. They just faced the scale of an attack that America hasn't seen on it's soil since the 1860s.

[aussenseiter]

Americans don't get the scale of the attack as it hasn't been presented on a map to show what'd it look like.

In Pearl Harbor about 2400 people died.

We haven't faced the scale of war on our own soil that Israel just faced since the Civil War.

That's what I'm saying.

I think it's ugly to measure human suffering on a per capita basis.

But let's drop it and continue otherwise.

[unsunghero]

All I know is that if Palestine was free and America wasn't yet again supporting genocide all of these dumb reactionaries would just find something else to whine about

Funny how I just linked that using Hospitals as military bases violates the Geneva contract

Civilians as human shields, what a noble tactic. Government sure looking out for their own people huh?

I’ll forever remind you of your terrorist simping the next time you want to lecture us on human/women/lgbt rights or fascism

Hamas promises to let women learn things and not to kill gay people if Israel ceases fire. Just like Hamas promised to also cease fire until they didn’t Oct 7, with a big oopsie, just massacred 1000+ people

And look how well it’s turned out for them! Big Brain plays by the bathtub-meth-using sociopath squad. Look how much better off Gaza is now

[Seducio]

I think it's ugly to measure human suffering on a per capita basis.

But let's drop it and continue otherwise.

You have to if you want to understand the shift in understanding that occurred in the population of Israelis to be mostly onboard with being at war with Hamas.

If you asked on October 5th if Israel would be at war this year, 85% of Israelis would laugh at that.

So it matters as an American to know the scale of attack our ally faced, whether you like the math or not. Math is there to inform us not equivocate morality.

[aussenseiter]

You have to if you want to understand the shift in understanding that occurred in the population of Israelis to be mostly onboard with being at war with Hamas.

If you asked on October 5th if Israel would be at war this year, 85% of Israelis would laugh at that.

So it matters as an American to know the scale of attack our ally faced, whether you like the math or not. Math is there to inform us not equivocate morality.

Like I said, some human lives are more equal than others.

[unsunghero]

Channel 4 who also simps for Palestine (“simp” is me putting it sarcastically, they do it morally and reasonably) was interviewing some IDF official and they said “would you consider the mother or father of a Hamas soldier a valid target?”

And the IDF official said something to the effect of “we have a recording of a Hamas soldier calling his parents and saying how he just killed a Jew woman and they congratulated him and said ‘kill more’”

And the Channel 4 interviewer just stared without a reaction (maybe he didn’t believe it, lies in war and all that) “would you consider those parents a valid target?”

And she dodged the question but I forgot what she said

I thought about it for a minute. Let’s see, people that want to kill me. Parents who would literally shoot me or blow me up without a second thought if given the means. And I’m supposed to feel bad if those particular 2 parents were made a target? I dunno, maybe it’s the psycho in me, but I really couldn’t see myself feeling bad about those 2 people ending up a target if I were an Israeli

[Seducio]

What if fringe extreme far lefties from around the world 'traded places' with each Gazan for say 10 years or longer if they and the individual Gazan decided to extend it. There are more than 2.2 million fringe extreme far lefties. Almost all of them have better qualities of life than Gazans. It'd be the humane thing to do.

The Gazans would have new homes all over the world in communities that previously supported the far lefties. They'd be welcome and have new and better opportunities than where they currently live. And the far lefties can all coalesce in Gaza and create whatever heavenly on Earth utopia they desire. They can even continue to support Hamas still as their Govt since it appears they are onboard with their activities.

Thoughts?

[aussenseiter]

What if fringe extreme far lefties from around the world 'traded places' with each Gazan for say 10 years or longer if they and the individual Gazan decided to extend it. There are more than 2.2 million fringe extreme far lefties. Almost all of them have better qualities of life than Gazans. It'd be the humane thing to do.

The Gazans would have new homes all over the world in communities that previously supported the far lefties. They'd be welcome and have new and better opportunities than where they currently live. And the far lefties can all coalesce in Gaza and create whatever heavenly on Earth utopia they desire. They can even continue to support Hamas still as their Govt since it appears they are onboard with their activities.

Thoughts?

Idk seems like some wacky crap you typed up to win an argument on the computer.

send post

[Seducio]

Idk seems like some wacky crap you typed up to win an argument on the computer.

send post

If that argument convinces anyone then that was an accident. More for laughs since it's

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oizMDpn6n20/maxresdefault.jpg

[unsunghero]

I knew how Bill was going to view the conflict. Ever since the movie Religiosity the man has made no secret his disdain for those that oppress people with religious fundamentalism. He just doesn’t vacillate on the topic out of a sense of tribalism like so many do. If you’re against it, you’re against it everywhere

Still can’t get over my hardcore progressive leftist friend’s brain getting tangled in knots saying “well, some cultures don’t mind being [religiously] oppressed”. Like what? Howwww? Like the trick is you just have to wait a few generations of doing it until people think it’s the only way to live? Just say you support Muslim religious fundamentalists only because tribalism. Trying to explain “well it’s ok for these people here, but not these people over here” just sounds crazy

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wnl243DjsUE

[unsunghero]

^
And Bill does make some good points that sexual harassment of women, spousal rape, domestic violence, and child marriage are not prosecuted there

Ouch, hits with the “there’s no such thing as a moderate Republican” jab at the end though

[Lune]

God damn that's like my enlightenment post from a week or two ago, and I can't even go back and compare because it got deleted. Really takes the wind out of my sails to do anything but shitpost

yea here it is, cached by google (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iIguVUucNSUJ:https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php%3Fp%3D3657181&hl=en&gl=us):

The Enlightenment was one of the best things to ever happen to humanity, it is the Western political legacy, and theocratic-Islamic societies like Palestine are wholly incompatible with that. Israel and Palestine have both done horrible things, but only one of them at least attempts to be a modern liberal democracy as well as an ally of the West. That alone should be enough of an impetus to not go waving Palestinian flags in the court of global public opinion and discourse. Just totally antithetical to US interests. And it doesn't matter how much of a contrarian, subversive political hipster you are-- fundamentally, Western interests are the path that leads to greater justice and liberation, when pitted against Islamic theocracy.

Bam! Fuck those maher writers ripping me off :p

[aussenseiter]

https://i.imgur.com/iCeCFqh.jpeg

It's a Dawkins meme isn't it? I don't know what irony is but it's strange for religious conservatives to be spreading his ideas.

[Kaveh]

Jihad means holy struggle as I recall. The struggle against the world's most destructive economic and political system, capitalism, is holy. I like that. Jihadi Rob.

Anyways, free Palestine and oppose genocide.

Why has the PLO, despite coming from the PFLP (founded by a Christian), steadily increased persecution of Christians in Palestine? Why the increasing restrictions on women? It’s almost like the entire Middle East has been moving in the wrong direction since Zia took over Pakistan in 1978 and you and others are completely ignorant of the agency these people have for their own actions

-brown guy from Iran

[Kaveh]

Make Iran Zoroastrian Again! Make mosques into McDonald’s

[Smoofers]

It's not how Americans think but rather the shift in what Israelis think in response to what happened to Israel on Oct 7.

I was making the comparison because people, including myself, have said that Oct 7 was Israel's 9/11. I'm saying Oct 7th is actually 16x worse than 9/11 on a per capita basis.

Now do the math for the Palestinian side. How many 9/11s are happening daily in Gaza?

[Seducio]

Do you support Free Palestine and the Hamas terrorist Oct 7 attack on Israel that involved rape of women and abduction of children, Smoofers?

If so then you are an anti-semite and you have zero moral standing on this matter.

[aussenseiter]

Now do the math for the Palestinian side. How many 9/11s are happening daily in Gaza?

None because 9/11 and 10/7 were done by Arabs.

[Ooloo]

The palestinians are oppressed more by other arabs, the arab world, and the government they chose to elect (hamas) than anything israel has ever done ever. It's not even remotely close, it's an incredibly easy moral question and the only people who have a problem with this analysis are moral relativist idiots.

Hamas violated the ceasefire. There was a perfectly functional ceasefire in place until oct 7th. Take it up with hamas if you want a ceasefire, and maybe tell them to stop being bloodthirsty religious lunatics.

Gosh guys which side should I support?? the cut the heads off the babies side or the let's not do that side?! This is really tough! It's like one of those infomercials where all the plates fall out of the cupboard I can sort this mess out!!

[Kaveh]

It’s a bit more complicated than that but yes, Hamas is learning that when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes

[Trexller]

Daily reminder that the State of Israel has never once in it's history been the initial aggressor

have a nice day and be kind to each other, everyone.

that includes YOU.

[Botten]

Daily reminder that the State of Israel has never once in it's history been the initial aggressor

have a nice day and be kind to each other, everyone.

that includes YOU.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-police-jerusalem-march-palestinians-rcna85018



May 18, 2023, 6:10 AM EDT / Source: The Associated Press

Thousands of Jewish nationalists, some of them chanting “Death to Arabs” and other racist slogans, paraded on Thursday through the main Palestinian thoroughfare of Jerusalem’s Old City, in an annual display that caused new friction between Jews and Palestinians in the tense city.

Israel’s national security minister, far-right politician Itamar Ben-Gvir, joined the march later Thursday, his first time participating as a Cabinet member. Ben-Gvir is a leading figure in Israel’s new far-right government

The parade helped fuel an 11-day war between Israel and Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip.

Jordan, Israel’s neighbor which acts as a custodian of the Jerusalem shrine, condemned the Jewish visits there and the trajectory of the march.


never once (not annually)?

[Seducio]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-police-jerusalem-march-palestinians-rcna85018



never once ?

What happened on Oct. 7 though?

[Botten]

What happened on Oct. 7 though?

Or after because how you going to mock Palestinians if they aren't there.

[Seducio]

Haven't seen you condemn the rapes that occurred on Oct 7.

Were you a supporter of the Me Too movement?

[Toxigen]

Daily reminder that the State of Israel has never once in it's history been the initial aggressor


lmao yeah ok sloppy job mossad!

[Seducio]

Mossad isn't going anywhere. Their reputation took a hit in the intelligence community but they aren't going anywhere.

Bibi though won't survive the political repercussions of allowing this to happen on his watch especially given his strong defense rhetoric. Whether he is ousted from Govt before war end is to be determined, but his grip on power won't survive that much longer. Israelis are not happy with him.

[Ooloo]

I hope israel is behaving itself today. Ya just never know with those guys. Let your guard down for one second and they go and kill the people who gleefully cut their babies' heads off! What a bunch of bullies.

[aussenseiter]

I hope israel is behaving itself today. Ya just never know with those guys. Let your guard down for one second and they go and kill the people who gleefully cut their babies' heads off! What a bunch of bullies.

How many bombs have they dropped and how many civilians have been killed?

That's proportionality!

[Trexller]

Imagine defending a religion that kills women who don't dress like this:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fqph.fs.quoracdn.net%2Fmain-qimg-c9f9682ed57a58b7f03af1570232f189-c&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=ce8387b1d7e554777d6366117760da5958749b1e503bb5 fe31f19acd10bb6582&ipo=images

[Trexller]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F2a9qfp.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=7e9ef538de9895101fe397b63df91020515cc4918ae0ad 5e26e44c25c56ae2f8&ipo=images

[aussenseiter]

Imagine defending a religion that kills women who don't dress like this:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fqph.fs.quoracdn.net%2Fmain-qimg-c9f9682ed57a58b7f03af1570232f189-c&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=ce8387b1d7e554777d6366117760da5958749b1e503bb5 fe31f19acd10bb6582&ipo=images

https://i.imgur.com/mJAEjA8.png

https://i.imgur.com/VM03HRC.png

[Kaveh]

https://i.imgur.com/mJAEjA8.png

https://i.imgur.com/VM03HRC.png

Islam permits marrying one’s cousin. It’s why the Pakistanis and afghans fight like crackheads. They have extra chromosomes

Also, can we see the stats for Arkansas?

[aussenseiter]

Islam permits marrying one’s cousin. It’s why the Pakistanis and afghans fight like crackheads. They have extra chromosomes

Also, can we see the stats for Arkansas?

http://librarianchick.com/sdid/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/church-attendancebystate-500x340.jpg

[Ekco]

two different altercations today in Washington, how long before i can buy a PPV of elected officials beating the shit out of eachother in a cage.

https://i.imgur.com/wQgMB52.png

[unsunghero]

two different altercations today in Washington, how long before i can buy a PPV of elected officials beating the shit out of eachother in a cage.

https://i.imgur.com/wQgMB52.png

Has been done before

Normally I would say as soon as you have to resort to challenging the other person to a fight you already lost the argument, but I’m still not completely against the concept

[Seducio]

Has been done before

Normally I would say as soon as you have to resort to challenging the other person to a fight you already lost the argument, but I’m still not completely against the concept

It seems like a Andrew Tate type phenomenon. The first thing Tate does when he gets in an argument is challenge to other guy to a fight. Right off the bat. Since Tate is an actual fighter, basically everyone will back down at that moment because they'd get beaten by Tate. Then Tate will attack them as unworthy. This appears to have gotten into the head of many folks super quickly.

It's a 'tough guy' Alpha way of interacting with the world. Not collaborative at all. Sadly just another one of the polarizing forces out there lately. There don't appear to many folks that are trying to hold back the brink if things get out of hand in a hyperpolarized manner. It has happened in other countries and USA is not immune from our fracturing politcal mileu catching up to us.

We don't have any top dogs (Biden, Trump, or RFK Jr) acting in any kind of collaborative way. In a three way race even if RFK doesn't win this changes the math in dramatic ways.

>>
1992 Election Results
Candidate Party
Electoral Votes
Popular Votes

William J. Clinton Democratic
370
44,909,889

George Bush (I) Republican
168
39,104,545

Ross Perot Independent
0
19,742,267
>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election

[unsunghero]

^
Yea it also took off when streamers or other online personalities started challenging each other to boxing matches

Despite all the PED’s, training in secret for months, and other ways that it becomes completely unfair, I still found the concept somewhat entertaining

But yea a person who fights for a living challenging some non-fighter to a fight is only going to be impressing the dumbest dregs of society