Time for a minimum level to roll for Scout

[khofuswiftclaw]

With 60 people showing up to Scout rolls and level 5's who could never complete the quest winning, it's time for a player agreement on blue with a minimum level to participate in the Scout Charisa roll.

What should it be? 46? 50? 55?

[Ennewi]

Low level characters roll with disadvantage and others present aren't obligated to assist, not that they are currently afaik.

[Kasor]

Green rules 55+

[Kosmic Utensil]

Signed, lvl 50 minimum to roll IMO

[MilanderTruewield]

Personally, I don't have any objections to someone 46+ rolling. At least they can contribute to the kill, whether by kiting or providing SOME sort of DPS or heals. A level 5? Seriously? Then they apparently gloated about winning this morning? I hope that everyone else camped out after the turnin. :o

[enjchanter]

its literally a free roll

whats wrong with a level 5 winning it

[dieyuppiescum]

Showing up with a naked level 5 is a sense of entitlement I would never have the audacity to think of. This should of been in place a long time ago. Signed

[dieyuppiescum]

its literally a free roll

whats wrong with a level 5 winning it

How is a level five going to help kill a level 58 mob?

[enjchanter]

Showing up with a naked level 5 is a sense of entitlement I would never have the audacity to think of. This should of been in place a long time ago. Signed

theyre just as entitled to the welfare roll as the other 90 people there


How is a level five going to help kill a level 58 mob?


theyre going to auto attack it while afk like the other 90 ppl there

[MilanderTruewield]

Mob gets pushed too much to afk attack :P

[enjchanter]

so as long as the level 5 isnt afk while they auto attack , its fair game

signed

[dieyuppiescum]

theyre just as entitled to the welfare roll as the other 90 people there

Welfare roll? Everyone out there has helped and earned their spot. Even if no one helped, you would only need 2- 3 friends to get it at level 55+



theyre going to auto attack it while afk like the other 90 ppl there
There's a huge difference between a level 60 auto attacking and a level 5. If you believe this is acceptable, ask your guild if you can start raiding with a level 5, everyone is just afk auto attacking. I mean, they're all just getting welfare loot anyway, right?

[enjchanter]

There's a huge difference between a level 60 auto attacking and a level 5. If you believe this is acceptable, ask your guild if you can start raiding with a level 5, everyone is just afk auto attacking. I mean, they're all just getting welfare loot anyway, right?

so exactly how much dps does the level 5 need to do to roll on scout


and yes, everyone raiding is also just afk auto attacking and they wont admit it unironically

[dieyuppiescum]

so exactly how much dps does the level 5 need to do to roll on scout


and yes, everyone raiding is also just afk auto attacking and they wont admit it unironically

If a level 5 can do 10 dps with only heals as assistance against a kromzek captain for 30 seconds, then he has earned the roll.

[enjchanter]

but why is it important that the winner can do 10 dps and survive 30s in the ring with a kromzek captain

the level 5 had to get the faction, hail and npc and type /roll 1000 just like you

so its not like you put in more effort than they did

and who cares if they do 1dps or 100 dps, if the level 5s contribution to the kill mattered, itd be a bring your own force situation

[Kasor]

Your logic is ridiculous, a level 5 brings nothing to the fight, try doing it with 50 level 5s and see how it goes.

[skulldudes]

if peep start bringing their baby alts they aren't even playing to roll the whole system breaks down. and yeah, the guy acted like a complete shit about it after winning.

[enjchanter]

Your logic is ridiculous, a level 5 brings nothing to the fight, try doing it with 50 level 5s and see how it goes.

so would a level 20 be okay to bring then

what about a level 27

whats the bar for a "meaningful contribution" to killing a level 58 mob with 90 people

[skulldudes]

so would a level 20 be okay to bring then

what about a level 27

whats the bar for a "meaningful contribution" to killing a level 58 mob with 90 people

you'd be a whole lot acuter if you'd stop being so intentionally obtuse

[dieyuppiescum]

so would a level 20 be okay to bring then

what about a level 27

whats the bar for a "meaningful contribution" to killing a level 58 mob with 90 people

If you would pay attention, that is what we are setting. 46+ would be the absolute minimum, but I agree more with the 55+.

[Kasor]

so would a level 20 be okay to bring then

what about a level 27

whats the bar for a "meaningful contribution" to killing a level 58 mob with 90 people

Would you group with a level 5, 20 or 27 to kill a 58 mob? Or would you allow them to raid and get DKP and spend it?

[enjchanter]

no but i also dont host welfare groups where we all just roll to see who gets to loot the mob

[Kasor]

no but i also dont host welfare groups where we all just roll to see who gets to loot the mob

Exactly, You bring a group appropriate level to kill the mob then you roll on the loot, you dont form a group with someone 40 levels under what is required, its welfare when you let people roll that provide nothing.

[holaneko]

Follow green rule - kkthnxbye

[Croco]

the solution to this is extremely easy and requires no additional rules to be voted on, if they con green to a 60 you just don't help them, wish them luck and log off until next spawn

[Swish]

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[Philistine]

A minimum level would be great IMHO. I'd be down for whatever Green has (sounds like 55+?).

[enjchanter]

im gunna make a level 5 to roll at scout on

[Tearrah]

im gunna make a level 5 to roll at scout on

your support system has broken down

[enjchanter]

oh no

[Foxplay]

A minimum level would be great IMHO. I'd be down for whatever Green has (sounds like 55+?).

Not even 53 for vox/naggy toons? Big sad suggestion =p

[Kasyra]

If you can get a toon factioned and parked in WW for the roll, you have every right to do so, be it lvl 5 or 60. Most ppl that are there 55+ immediately go /q or afk after roll anyways. I say good for you if you can win on a level 5.

[Jimjam]

As kasyra says it isn’t trivial to unlock the quest.

Personally i love it when low levels win their bobs. Its a huge chunk of stats for low level that will help all the way up to 60, whereas they don’t have so much impact on a ntov or hot wearing 59.

[Valakut]

not getting involved to help anyone below 55 personally

you can do what you want though

[skulldudes]

it takes a TL, a few hours of faction pull at best and a SG succor lmao please describe which of those things is non-trivial

[Xano]

Level 5 at scout rolls is beyond dumb.

[enjchanter]

you guys are just trying to gatekeep so you have better odds at winning the free loot roll on your non-instanced server

[Krinkill]

I think 52 or 46+ is a good idea, anyone that gets a level 5 the faction to roll for scout can get an alt to level 46 without much issue.

[SantagarBrax]

46+ seems reasonable imo

[Jimjam]

Level 5 at scout rolls is beyond dumb.

By my experience that is a hypothetical. Lowest I’ve seen is like 39 iirc. I think that is a fine level. Most winners are 50+. I’d love to see the stats.

Whats the lowest level that can tank the encounter? Deffo sub 52.

[enjchanter]

i have a level 5 ready to scout roll
what time does it happen currently

[Ennewi]

Reading the room, you probably aren't going to be given the correct time in here...

[Jimjam]

i have a level 5 ready to scout roll
what time does it happen currently

Good luck! I'd love to see it!

[Sizar]

Most ppl that are there 55+ immediately go /q or afk after roll anyways. I say good for you if you can win on a level 5.

That is completely false. Lately it has been 40ish people rolling and MAYBE 1 or 2 dont run down and participate in the kill. Get your facts straight. People always assist

[Arvan]

its 2023 do people really not have scout yet?

[MilanderTruewield]

its 2023 do people really not have scout yet?

Alts are made daily. You know this :P

[Rizzle]

That is completely false. Lately it has been 40ish people rolling and MAYBE 1 or 2 dont run down and participate in the kill. Get your facts straight. People always assist

And you want to know who /quits the second they lose. the naked level 5 chars.

There should at least be a 46+ req to roll. Green has 55+ so 46+ or 52+ are more than fair.

[Sizar]

I would prefer 55+ but I understand if people want to make it 52+ for their vox / nag toons.

I love to twink just like anyone else, but when there are this many people 55-60 still at scout I think steps need to be taken

[Toxigen]

If your level 5 melee doesn't have 2x bracers are you even playing eq?

[Naerron]

if the lvl 5 has ST key can they roll on scout?

[Chloroform]

BRING BACK THE CLICK FEST

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Personally I just don't do Scout Roll. The items are not worth parking a character you want to play at Scout Roll for a month. That is why people park their alts there. It was faster for me to simply get mid-range raid upgrades for bracers/ranged.

I would only consider getting a BoB for a Monk. Monks have a weight limit, they need expensive bags to have the same inventory size (don't want to carry as much resist swap gear), and their raid upgrades are rare/expensive to get. They probably won't use a mid-range raid item like https://wiki.project1999.com/Bracelet_of_the_Sky due to its weight.

For every other class that can use a BoB, get Silver Chitin Wristbands and swap to https://wiki.project1999.com/Velium_Blue_Diamond_Bracelet as needed.

[Toxigen]

I keep a char at scout even though I don't need any gear. I just want to make sure I do my part in blocking others from getting loot.

[busted]

+1 on level 46+

Lowbies heed this warning, if you win, you will no longer get help.

[busted]

New rules:

- You must be level 46 or higher
- Scout tools turn-in must happen within 1 minute of the roll

[Toxigen]

cant wait til the next level 5 wins and sends this guy into orbit

[Jimjam]

I’ve already got my next toon to 4. Can’t wait to ding and get my gratuity Bobs

[cd288]

I would prefer 55+ but I understand if people want to make it 52+ for their vox / nag toons.

I love to twink just like anyone else, but when there are this many people 55-60 still at scout I think steps need to be taken

Fair comment

[enjchanter]

+1 on level 46+

Lowbies heed this warning, if you win, you will no longer get help.

dont need it thx

[cadiz]

I don't think you should be allowed to roll on scout if you aren't the appropriate level to contribute to the pull, rip or kill. Ideally you shouldn't need a rule to tell you to be considerate and most people bring characters that can help.

Unfortunately we probably need such adjustments made like what was done on Green as there's been low characters taking the piss with "there's no rule." 46+ seems reasonable to me.

[Jimjam]

‘Can contribute’ while seeming a fair bar is a very low one.

[truavatar2]

46+

[darkreap]

52+ gets my vote, anon/role must be off

[Jimjam]

52+ gets my vote, anon/role must be off

It’s pretty easily tanked even by a 51, for that reason I am more inclined with the suggestion of 46+ (which also nicely aligns with the hardcodes entry gate for planes etc).

[snapp]

Either 46+ or 50+ sounds good to me.

[Krinkill]

It seems like the majority wants the new rule in place, how do we go about actually making it a new rule?

[loramin]

It seems like the majority wants the new rule in place, how do we go about actually making it a new rule?

The forum doesn't matter at all: it comes down to the people at Scout.

If everyone at the roll agrees (before rolling) to respect the minimum level, then that becomes the rule ... for that roll.

If people keep doing that for X days (the staff has never said what "X" is), it becomes a permanent player agreement.

... or at least, that's how we originally got similar player agreements (eg. Shady/Angry Goblin).

[busted]

Some suggestions:

0. un-written rule, everyone start not helping people lower than 46.
1. Make a new thread with a poll and link it here for people to vote on
2. Everyone make a hotkey or speak about these ideas at every scout roll
3. Share results and this thread with CSR in the blue UN discord server
4. Victory, we can now lose the roll to people above 46!

[Knuckle]

Make western wastes pvp enabled, but you can only attack people under
Level 46. Problem solved!

[cd288]

Make western wastes pvp enabled, but you can only attack people under
Level 46. Problem solved!

This would be hilarious

[Ripqozko]

Spacepope was the last main at scout, we are fine to bring lowbies 8 years into velious. Sorry you don't got scout.

[Jimjam]

I suggest giving cap banish ability, so he sends away characters above level 52 (like naggy and vox).

Would make the encounter way more interesting if it was 46-52 only.

[Troxx]

Make western wastes pvp enabled, but you can only attack people under
Level 46. Problem solved!

I’d vote for this.

[Jimjam]

I’d vote for this.

Hehe yeah that has a lot of benefits actually :cool:

[Ripqozko]

I’d vote for this.

It’s already changed

[cd288]

I suggest giving cap banish ability, so he sends away characters above level 52 (like naggy and vox).

Would make the encounter way more interesting if it was 46-52 only.

So you have to do Scout by the time you're 52 or you never get to? Seems odd

[Jimjam]

So you have to do Scout by the time you're 52 or you never get to? Seems odd

It was a tongue in cheek comment on the arguments about being ‘level appropriate’ since cap is easily killed by low 50’s.

[Trelaboon]

If a player under level 50 wins, I don’t stay to help and others shouldn’t either

[Toxigen]

If you don't have Scout rolls won by level 20 are you even playing EQ?

[GnomeLuvr]

Looks like the Powers that Be have spoken: Khofuswiftclaw has changed the wiki to reflect the change to 46+ on blue.

Now I see why everyone says wikis are unreliable sources of information.

[zelld52]

Cant believe its not 55+ like on Green. Theres a bevvy of new 55+ toons as is, scout roll on green is like 20+ people. So it still takes a while if youre unlucky with dice.

[Jimjam]

Cant believe its not 55+ like on Green. Theres a bevvy of new 55+ toons as is, scout roll on green is like 20+ people. So it still takes a while if youre unlucky with dice.

Personally I don’t like 55+ cos the event can literally be completed with exclusively sub 55 toons fairly easily. Its an artificial restriction preventing characters that could legitimately earn it from doing so.

I’m not convinced a raid off 45- could do so without great difficulty which is why I believe it is a fairer cut off point.

A character can legitimately contribute and will get better use out of BOBs 46-60 than they would just at 55-60 or even just 60.

[Kavious]

I wish it was 52 on green. You have to level your vox char to 55 if you want bobs/range and then de-level back down

[Arvan]

I wish it was 52 on green. You have to level your vox char to 55 if you want bobs/range and then de-level back down

That's just unfair to vox

[zelld52]

I wish it was 52 on green. You have to level your vox char to 55 if you want bobs/range and then de-level back down

Yeah, poor vox alts

[Kavious]

Alright alright. Just make the requirement level 55 on both Blue and Green

[GnomeLuvr]

I'd still prefer no level requirement.

Every time this subject comes up, it's because someone's all bitter about losing the roll on their 10th alt to someone else's 10th alt, whom they think is less deserving than them. Blue has been around forever, with no level limit on who can roll. It's silly to impose one at this point.

[zelld52]

I'd still prefer no level requirement.

Every time this subject comes up, it's because someone's all bitter about losing the roll on their 10th alt to someone else's 10th alt, whom they think is less deserving than them. Blue has been around forever, with no level limit on who can roll. It's silly to impose one at this point.

good point, didnt think of that. makes more sense on green when someones 10th alt is rolling against a new 55 main

[Toxigen]

did they really add a min level for scout on blue?

lmao

[GnomeLuvr]

I think it's more of an example of why I don't like wikis... anyone can change them to whatever they want.

As far as I know, it hasn't been changed in the game, just some chucklehead trying to push it through on the wiki.

[Ennewi]

I think it's more of an example of why I don't like wikis... anyone can change them to whatever they want.

As far as I know, it hasn't been changed in the game, just some chucklehead trying to push it through on the wiki.

Discord, Blue Server UN

Visceryn — 07/05/2023 9:44 AM
@everyone scout roll is officially 46+. Will update the rules soon

[Troxx]

I dunno I gave up trying to get any of these items for any of my characters because I was always rolling against eleventy billion alts.

I just decided to do without

/shrug

[Swish]

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